Re: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-22 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 05:31 AM, Glen Stampoultzis wrote: At 01:09 PM 19/06/2003, you wrote: Why NOT have shared documents?  I've heard it said that the CVS organization is the barrier.  OK, so why not look at what reasonable steps could relieve that barrier?  What would happen if we had

Re: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Jeremias Maerki
There's the committers module. Every committer has access to this one. On 19.06.2003 05:09:39 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Why NOT have shared documents? I've heard it said that the CVS organization is the barrier. OK, so why not look at what reasonable steps could relieve that barrier? What

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
There's the committers module. Every committer has access to this one. I know. It isn't part of the site deployment, but I suppose that it could be used that way, perhaps under the docs/ directory (for example), with a small change to the update commands. Also, the Committers module is, AIUI,

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Sander Striker
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:52 AM There's the committers module. Every committer has access to this one. On 19.06.2003 05:09:39 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Why NOT have shared documents? I've heard it said that the CVS organization is the

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sander, You said, Hang on a minute. Why does everyone need commit access to this one? All ASF members have commit access to it. I had asked, What would happen if we had an Incubator module open to all ASF Committers? Would that lower the barrier and increase reuse? Are you referring to ASF

Re: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Glen Stampoultzis
At 01:09 PM 19/06/2003, you wrote: Why NOT have shared documents? I've heard it said that the CVS organization is the barrier. OK, so why not look at what reasonable steps could relieve that barrier? What would happen if we had an Incubator module open to all ASF Committers? Would that lower the

Re: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Serge Knystautas
Tim O'Brien wrote: no, the barrier is not high. Yes, it is too high for many, many potential contributors. No it isn't, I think you are confusing the fact that people don't generally like to contribute documentation. Instead of lowering the barriers for potential contributors, we need to do a

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Glen, The reason why it hasn't been done is simple... because no one has actually stepped up to find all the redundant information and send patches to the various projects to fix it up. CVS access isn't the problem. Finding someone with the itch, time and motivation is. That is the answer

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't see the issue as people not wanting to write documentation, just individuals taking the path of least resistance. I agree. Honestly, I'm curious as to how much authority the individual PMCs should be exercising to define these processes. Even a process as simple as creating an

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I'm tired of having someone propose a new committer because he or she thinks that the patch submission process is too difficult. In my case, I'm talking about existing Committers. *If* CVS commit rights for Committers are widely perceived to be a barrier, then perhaps there ought to be a place

RE: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Tim O'Brien
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I think you are confusing the fact that people don't generally like to contribute documentation. Although I consider this orthogonal to shared pages (people can cut and paste vs. link on the Wiki as easily as the static sites), I do believe that

Re: Common documents across the ASF

2003-06-19 Thread Leo Simons
Tim, you missed my point. Sander asked whether commit access is, or is seen as, a barrier. The answer is: yes. It is one of many barriers that we have. You're pointing out that those are in place for a reason. Well, yeah. For example, commit priviledge is something which is earned by