Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 06:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: snip content=appreciated / If you believed in the technology, the brand should not care. I think this is probably the best advice I have gotten all week. Seriously! And when asked *expliticly* to address our concerns about

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Steven Noels
On 29 Sep 2004, at 00:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: the Lenya people went thru hell and back with the incubator, also accepting policies that were continously changing, demonstrating lots of patience and will to collaborate, they hang on, even when it was frustrating and *I* was pissed at the

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 17:55, Steven Noels wrote: snip content=good material / One should give and take with consideration and balance. Noted and Agreed. AND respectfully wished this would be true in all directions. I have also lately been made aware of actions that I do not

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Steven Noels
On 29 Sep 2004, at 12:19, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 29 September 2004 17:55, Steven Noels wrote: snip content=good material / One should give and take with consideration and balance. Noted and Agreed. AND respectfully wished this would be true in all directions. I'm confident that people

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 29 September 2004 06:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: And when asked *expliticly* to address our concerns about community-style, you just look the other way. Until this day, I have not been interested in history, there is

RE: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2004 13:17 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: Style of community building snip ... how are lessons to be learnt is not from examining past situations and their resolutions? Have

Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 09:30, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If you want to change my mind, that's how you start: tell me what is the benefit for the ASF in promoting this style of community building, despite its long-term history of social energy waste, frustration

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread J Aaron Farr
-Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:28 AM To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Style of community building Niclas Hedhman wrote: Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of competition in Avalon was set

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 20:27, Sam Ruby wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of competition in Avalon was set well before the emergence of Merlin. That was bad. So now the train was moving, and noone pulled the breaks, not any individual, not the

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Santiago Gala
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J Aaron Farr wrote: | -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:28 | AM To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: | Style of community building | | Niclas Hedhman wrote

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 22:08, Sam Ruby wrote: Hindsight is easy, and I am not sure whether your intention is to punish parts (not all) of those who made it happen, plus some people who hasn't been involved (for instance commercial users). The intent is not to punish

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:18, Sam Ruby wrote: long-lived community is the key phrase. yes. Successful communities outlast their leaders. Agree. In any case, this does not answer the question as to how the lack of a top level project for Metro would damage a commercial user. IMHO,

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Dave Brondsema
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:18, Sam Ruby wrote: In any case, this does not answer the question as to how the lack of a top level project for Metro would damage a commercial user. IMHO, 1. Metro doesn't belong any more in Avalon than Cocoon

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Steven Noels
2. The described 'worst-case' scenario, makes me not inclined to take Merlin away from the ASF. Are you hinting at the bank story? Hm. Quite frankly, I think people are being oversold on the size of the Merlin community ATM, and individual cases are being extrapolated into broad tendencies. We