On Tuesday 28 September 2004 20:27, Sam Ruby wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of "competition" in Avalon was set well before the emergence of Merlin. That was bad. So now the train was moving, and noone pulled the breaks, not any individual, not the PMC, not the PMC Chair, not the community, not the Board - noone. That was also bad.
I can't fix the past, but...
Sam reaches for brakes.
Sam grasps brakes.
Sam pulls.
That (whatever the pull symbolizes) should have been done 18-24 months ago :o)
Agreed.
Hindsight is easy, and I am not sure whether your intention is to punish parts (not all) of those who made it happen, plus some people who hasn't been involved (for instance commercial users).
The intent is not to punish anyone, at all. For example, how are commercial users damaged in any way by the way the ASF choses to organize its work into projects? This is not meant to be a rhetorical question, I am genuinely curious.
Did my suggestion reach you at all, or is it considered, what Ken refers to as, a "hand wave" ?
Since you asked, I'll share my perception. Warning: it might not be what you expect.
When someone points out that Ken has erred, he investigates the root cause, shares it, and takes full responsibility for the error.
In this case, somebody pointed out an instance where somebody has erred, and I interpreted the response as "sure I erred, but everybody else did too, and here is some other irrelevant consideration".
I consider those portions of the message to be hand waves.
We can discuss other things if you like, but until there is a proposal which adequately covers the technical and community aspects, you won't have this director's vote.
- Sam Ruby
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