On 1/25/07, CLG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm working on augmented reality (marker based) platform for mobiles,
and OpenMoko looks interesting. However lack of camera is a bummer. Are
there any interes for the camera in the next version, or I'm only one
who would like to see it ? Camera have
On 1/25/07, Miquel Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shu Hung (Koala) wrote:
Why don't we just use the Flash for Linux 9 on OpenMoko?
We may also use Minimo http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo on
OpenMoko as browser, too.
AFAIK minimo is for Windows Mobile, isn't it?
Cheers
Miquel
On 24/01/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 21:05, David Ford wrote:
Please do not personally CC: me on this silly thread. I am subscribed to
the list.
I think this is a problem for people using Outlook or Gmail
Yes, I am a GMail user, and apologies
* Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070125 08:33]:
As subject implies I have proposal I fear might lead to long flamewar. I
hope I'm wrong.
Given these assumptions/facts:
1) We want to copy stuff from unofficial wiki to official wiki when it
becomes available.
2) Unofficial wiki doesn't have
IANAL (or a hobby lawyer!) but I think if someone has contributed to
the unofficial wiki without checking for a license, and without
specifying their own license... then there is no copyright issue as
the contributors have implicitly put their words into the public
domain?
At least, I think it
Go program that would allow start playing Go without even reading rules.
Animations would 'explain' liberties and solidly connected units of
stones by flashing them for a short time after move. Especially combined
with touch screen should allow even 2-3 year old children to play Go
against
To relate this to the list, I'd say what embedded system could you
install that could provide optimal integaration and synergy with an
opensource phone. Wi-fi, maybe a file server. The slug provides a
great low-cost embedded platform that's easy to get..
Maybe instead, use the OpenMoko device
Hello all,
Will a Java VM, such as JamVM (see http://jamvm.sourceforge.net/) be a
part of the openmoko software stack?
I think this is a very exciting effort!
Regards,
Bob
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Michele,
Robert already had quite some info on the AGPS, even before I asked
the question.
Have a look at
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000118.html
Regards,
Marc.
On 1/25/07, Michele Manzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some additional questions on this subject:
Duncan Hudson writes:
That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo. But it doesn't
answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made.
Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US
unless it's been certified by the FCC. Generally when the
Shu Hung (Koala) writes:
Koala Yeung
P.S. May I ask one thing: Does application runs on i386 runs on OpenMoko
with the same binary?
No. The phone uses an ARM processor, which is a completely different
instruction set.
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Joe,
As with many US gov sites, the information scent isn't as strong as it
could be, but start here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/
You'll want the 'Generic Search' link on the left, Reports menu.
When you find a phone (I haven't looked for Neo yet, I suspect it hasn't
been filed),
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 14:38 +0100, Michele Manzato wrote:
1. Is there any A-GPS standard whatsoever?
The Open Mobile Alliance (OMA) has defined a couple of protocols how to
provide assistance data on the mobile network layer.
This is mostly important in emergency situations (911/112 calls) to
Sam Kome writes:
As with many US gov sites, the information scent isn't as strong as it
could be, but start here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/
You'll want the 'Generic Search' link on the left, Reports menu.
When you find a phone (I haven't looked for Neo yet, I suspect it hasn't
Hi all. I've been talking up OpenMoko to everyone I know, and I felt
like there may be some people around here who would be interested in
the reactions I've gotten.
The main camps are as you would expect: positively-excited,
negatively-excited, and indifferent. What I think is interesting, is
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 09:10:11AM +0100, Pierre Hébert wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 01:47, Justyn Butler wrote:
So my answer to your question is: perhaps not from your USB memory
stick, but you will be able to upgrade the flash chip if you've a
little experience with surface
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:29:47AM -0500, Richard Franks wrote:
then there is no copyright issue as the contributors have implicitly
put their words into the public domain?
Public domain only exists in the UK/US common law countries.
I for example, as a German citizan, cannot put something
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:38:20PM +0100, Michele Manzato wrote:
Some additional questions on this subject:
1. Is there any A-GPS standard whatsoever?
no. It's a broad term for many variants of GPS
2. I have heard elsewhere (Wikipedia) that in A-GPS the computation effort
is shared between
* Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070125 16:07]:
As all the TomTom gadgets prove: it isn't. GPS works pretty well without
the A.
Well, it does or not. The question is, does AGPS help with accuracy?
Just an observation, that my builtin car navigation, which got GPS and
travel information from
On 25/01/07, Bryan Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also surprisingly, the one truly negatively-excited person I met said
exactly this, Great, so I'll have a phone that just randomly crashes
for no reason. I know that he has run Red Hat Linux, and codes for a
living. But, he has had poor
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:39 +0100, Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
Well, it does or not. The question is, does AGPS help with accuracy?
AGPS is a marketing term invented by the mobile industry and their
caterers. The reference docs for the SiRF binary protocol simply calls
these functions set ephemeris
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:24 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
3. A-GPS involves additional data traffic and thus (potential) additional
costs. Does it use a normal GSM/GPRS IP-based data transfer? does it use
some out-of-band GSM/GPRS control messages? or does it get data from
broadcasts in the
Hi Bryan,
That's quite interesting feedback. I have only really brought this subject
up with developer mates and one gadgetophile.
The heavily windows leaning developers have expressed a cool enthusiasm but
that will warm when they can see a product and get an idea for the sort of
apps that are
There has been a lot of talk about GPS recently. There are some really
good ideas floating around, but before people start getting really
excited the BIG question is what is the power draw on the device? Will
you be able to keep the GPS receiver on constantly without having the
battery get
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 10:23 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about GPS recently. There are some really
good ideas floating around, but before people start getting really
excited the BIG question is what is the power draw on the device? Will
you be able to keep the
Sorry if this is old news, but Harald Welte has announced on his blog that
planet.openmoko.org is up. It's great to read some blog posts from people
that I didn't even know were involved.
Can't seem to subscribe to the whole planet through RSS though (only
individuals), perhaps I'm being dense.
On 1/25/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I reckon I'll get a few developer converts for the phone if not to a desktop
flavour of linux.
That's actually something I'm anxious to see. Given that it's
non-trivial to buy a computer (in the U.S.) with linux pre-loaded, and
that people
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There is a jamvm package that is checked into the OpenEmbedded
(jamvm_1.3.0-jamvm_1.4.2), so I think that it will be available soon
after the release.
Koen Kooi did some initial work on testing a CDC build, see the
following link. Thanks Koen! I'm
Marcus Bauer wrote:
5mW if you get a fix every ten seconds.
10 seconds is a pretty big interval. Where did you get that information
from? Is there a table that shows the draw/polling interval?
Where is the documentation for the chip? Can its polling interval be
controlled? Who is working on
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 05:12:09PM +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:24 +0100, Harald Welte wrote:
3. A-GPS involves additional data traffic and thus (potential) additional
costs. Does it use a normal GSM/GPRS IP-based data transfer? does it use
some out-of-band
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Bryan Fink wrote:
Hi all. I've been talking up OpenMoko to everyone I know, and I felt
like there may be some people around here who would be interested in
the reactions I've gotten.
The main camps are as you would expect: positively-excited,
negatively-excited, and
Hi all,
I was thinking of BT profiles and of people who constantly move form
home to car to office to client ...
So changing BT profile must be easier that calling a number or
accessing diary, phonebook.
So what do you think about having gesture recognition running to call
events such as :
-
Scott,
Thanks for the info!
I personally have no preference between Java and .NET.
I am also equally interested in support for ikvm on openmoko as well.
There was a thread of discussion on this topic on the ikvm development
email list.
J2ME CDC would be just fine, but as you state J2SE
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 11:08 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Marcus Bauer wrote:
5mW if you get a fix every ten seconds.
10 seconds is a pretty big interval. Where did you get that information
from?
I don't have a link at hand, but the GL chip consumes 50mW in continuous
mode and gets a fix
On Thursday 25 January 2007 16:16, Harald Welte wrote:
The Neo1973 is accessing NAND flash directly via a industry-standard
NAND flash interface, which is a special-purpose interface where you
serially shift in the address and parallel read back of the data.
Yes you're right !
Pierre.
Hello.
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:46, Justyn Butler wrote:
Can't seem to subscribe to the whole planet through RSS though (only
individuals), perhaps I'm being dense.
http://planet.openmoko.org/rss20.xml
There is no link on the site for it. Anyway, it's standard
planetplanet. :)
regards
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 20:00 +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
The only situation where I can see the
accelerometer being really useful is where Apple is using it: For
changing the screen orientation of things according to how you hold
the phone.
An accelerometer is a nice to have for navigation too.
Dnia czwartek, 25 stycznia 2007 20:02, Rodolphe Ortalo napisał:
MACHINE = native will use your host toolchain and will build
binaries for your environment. You can also use MACHINE = progear
(its my x86 webpad config) and then use resulting packages/rootfs
under chroot or qemu.
Is it
On 25/01/07, Wil Chung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd imagine if you draw parallels to the internet, the issue of malware and
viruses inevitably crop up. Just telling people Linux is more secure
probably doesn't alleviate fears. I probably wouldn't know what to say.
Anyone wanna take that one?
2007/1/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Great stuff to impress the ladies! ;)
Please refrain from making any comments of a sexist or sexual orientation
nature.
Am I allowed to reveal my gender? I'm affraid it can be offensive, too...
--
Tomek Z.
Salve Foucault!
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Foucault de Bonneval wrote:
I was thinking of BT profiles and of people who constantly move form
home to car to office to client ...
So changing BT profile must be easier that calling a number or
accessing diary, phonebook.
matter of personal
Sometimes it helps to put a face with a name. Anyway, found this link
and thought the community might want to see who is leading the charge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvtAAXTIlg
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On 24 Jan 2007, at 7:13 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
Where did I, or anybody else, DEMAND that OpenMoko give credit to
GNU?
Dave Crossland's demanded it on a couple of occasions. Go back and
reread his latest messages, particularly his message of 6:13 am
this morning.
It might help
Reading this, a potentially handy feature hit me, so I'm letting it out.
We should (and we probably will/do.. my nokia 6310 or whatever it is
does, like pretty much all nokias, and all phones) support multiple,
renamable profiles, defining ringing tone volume, background image,
/perhaps
Am Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2007 22:04 schrieb Ortwin Regel:
What about DRM
Defective by design ?
is there a way to bind a program to a
sync ID like it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It
should be possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?)
Don't forget that all data goes
Just a few thoughts. I recently discovered OpenMoko while
researching the Apple iphone. I am not a developer, but enjoy
reading this forum. I do not think the average user knows much
about... the concept of locked and unlocked... much less open. I am
your general user, looking for
Salve Declan!
Maybe is a general system-wide profile switching not intelligent
enough? Of course it will be usefull but maybe there will be more
possible.
Declan Naughton schrieb am Donnerstag, den 25. Januar 2007 um 20:58h:
Reading this, a potentially handy feature hit me, so I'm letting
On 25/01/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was
thinking, if the OpenMoko phone had an easy way for people to add
applications like the Widgets, the average user would like it. ( I
would be willing to pay the developer after a trial).
I guess the most software will be free...
Hello all,
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).
So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone
in March. (can't wait till
I think we've heard the viewpoints of both sides...
In my humble opinion, this whole discussion (while it showed some good
viewpoints on both sides) is a bit premature. We haven't seen any
documentation from the Openmoko team that suggests that they use one
notation or the other.
As Sean already
Marcel de Jong wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).
So I'm not really a developer, but I'd still like to get me a phone
in
Hello Ortwin,
On 1/25/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
marketplace?
I think that there
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).
So I'm not
Marcel de Jong writes:
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).
I share your opinions but try to tell that to some developers... :-/
They feel safer if they can bind their program to only work with one
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that
selling without restrictions
On 1/26/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong writes:
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
On 1/26/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I share your opinions but try to tell that to some developers... :-/
They feel safer if they can bind their program to only work with one
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers
I'll risk it anyway... Guess it'll be a rough ride, then, but I'm up
for that. Can't wait another six months for the phone of my dreams. :P
On 1/26/07, Marcel de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/26/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong writes:
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey'
Marcel de Jong wrote:
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet
Marcel de Jong writes:
Those of us drooling for one of the early phones, knowing what we're
letting ourselves in for, are the beta testers...
Heh, you've got a point there. I know I'm drooling for one of those.
And if we can somehow backup the phone to do some testing, that'd
would be great.
Marcus, please watch your tone on this mailing list.
You obviously didn't follow the news closely otherwise you would have
already known about
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html,
which clearly indicates the roadmap and talks about September for mass
market
Salve Dave and all others who loves to discuss about eggs from an unborn bird!
I hope that this thread will not blow up like the GNU/Linux discussion,
by people which hasn't consider that Harald Welte is behind OpenMoko nor
Seans presentation in Amsterdam that making money with OpenMoko/Neo1973
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:01, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Hammerhead
http://www.infineon.com/cgi-bin/ifx/portal/ep/channelView.do?channelId=-65315channelPage=%2Fep%2Fchannel%2FproductOverview.jsppageTypeId=17099
They state
Multiple mode operation
* MS-based (calculation of position
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 01:53 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Marcus, please watch your tone on this mailing list.
It shall be.
You obviously didn't follow the news closely otherwise you would have
already known about
On 1/25/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet certified).
So I'm not
On 1/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please refrain from making any comments of a sexist or sexual orientation
nature.
What exactly would be of a sexual orientation nature. He's not
saying that you have to impress ladies. You could impress men, little
children, cats, dogs,
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 21:14 +0100, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote:
Le jeudi 25 janvier 2007 à 10:20 +0200, Denis Kot a écrit :
Hi all
I did searching by lists but didn't find anything about emulator, so
my question is:
is there will be something like emulator like greenphone has? so I
(and
Salve Marcus,*!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcus Bauer wrote:
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 01:53 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Marcus, please watch your tone on this mailing list.
It shall be.
It?
Respect is the absolute basic for communication and cooperation.
The fact that I didn't answer
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 02:16 +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
An you mean insulting people and guessing about facts helps us here? I
don't think so.
Stop insulting
I'll refrain from harsh words.
buy your phone in march
I'd buy it today already if it would be available.
and show us what
I'd also like to know if the hardware is likely to change between March and
September. I *am* a developer, but that doesn't mean I want to buy another
phone is 6-8 months :)
-Jason
On Thursday 25 January 2007 19:49, Pranav Desai wrote:
On 1/25/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sometimes it helps to put a face with a name. Anyway, found this link
and thought the community might want to see who is leading the charge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvtAAXTIlg
Wow that's really cool. Very interesting to watch.
The excitement
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 03:42 +0100, Robert Michel wrote:
I don't think that people buy a new phone to going on holiday with the
new phone - AFAIK the most phones are sold November-January.
People buy phones all year round. And those that do so before their
holidays will come back and make
Twas brillig at 01:17:56 26.01.2007 UTC+01 when Ortwin Regel did gyre and
gimble:
OR I share your opinions but try to tell that to some
OR developers... :-/ They feel safer if they can bind their program
OR to only work with one hotsync ID, one device, one SD card...
I bet it's not the
I have ported FBReader for Motorola E680i/A780 mobile phone and I am sure
FBReader author only need a couple hour time to make it run on OpenMoko if he
has access to OpenMoko device.
http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader
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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 15:11 +, Tom Berger wrote:
I'm new to the list, so I don't know whether this was already
discussed, but I'm surprised (and a bit sorry) that the OpenMoKo spec
doesn't include WiFi
I guess it's just as well that the first version didn't contain WiFi as
the specs for
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:08 -0700, Richi Plana wrote:
If I understand the original poster correctly, he's looking for a
hardware emulator. Personally, I would like to see an emulator for the
Samsung s3c2410 as well. What instruction set does it use? Its own? ARM?
Is there an emulator? Can the
something I've been wondering about for a long time, but haven't asked:
in the interface shots, it looks like the phone is looking up contacts as
you type... or maybe it's just showing a list of recent/common contacts. if
it's just showing a list of recent/favorite contacts, that's cool, we can
Thanks Todd, I'm sure the Qualcomm investors will be pleased :)
Regards,
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Cognation Pty Ltd
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Sent: Thursday, 25 January
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 16:02 -0500, Anthony Taylor wrote:
Well, now. This is interesting:
http://www.limofoundation.org/sf/sfmain/do/home
I would like to know whether OpenMoko intends to meander its way towards
following one of the eventual standards. Personally, I'd like to see a
common
I don't mean to toot my own horn (up till June of 2006, I worked for Zi
Corporation as a developer), but you should really check out Qix
http://www.zicorp.com/Qix.htm. Unfortunately, most of that stuff is
likely patented. I'm not even sure how I can go about developing for
OpenMoko since I worked
hmmm, I think all we're really doing is searching multiple lists... so I
think a case could be made that this doesn't apply, I've got a vague idea
about how some of the patent stuff works, but there's orders of magnitude
more that I don't know compared to what I do.
anyways, you've got a right
On Friday 26 January 2007 02:32:53 Todd W wrote:
OpenMoko is definitely another great tool for the toolbox, but just so
everyone knows, there are already much more advanced wireless data
interfaces available.
Comparing EVDO to GSM is like comparing modern trucks to steam locomotives.
There's
No, I don't need hardware emulator. I need interface emulator :).
Where I can play with phone's interface and maybe onboard software w/o
buying the phone. It's ok if it will be compiled for i386 or whatever.
2007/1/26, Richi Plana [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 21:14 +0100, Rodolphe
On Friday 26 January 2007 06:35:41 Richi Plana wrote:
I guess it's just as well that the first version didn't contain WiFi as
the specs for 802.11n seems all but finished
(http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9415304733.html). Hopefully Intel and
Atheros come out with embeddable chips and release
On Friday 26 January 2007 08:12, Richi Plana wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:08 -0700, Richi Plana wrote:
If I understand the original poster correctly, he's looking for a
hardware emulator. Personally, I would like to see an emulator for the
Samsung s3c2410 as well. What instruction set
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