Dnia czwartek, 25 stycznia 2007 07:06, Ketut P. Kumajaya napisał:
I have ported FBReader for Motorola E680i/A780 mobile phone and I am
sure FBReader author only need a couple hour time to make it run on
OpenMoko if he has access to OpenMoko device.
FBReader is GTK application. OpenEmbedded has
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 23:52 -0700, Jeff Andros wrote:
I hope you can give us a hand with this stuff without getting yourself
in trouble.
I'm actually more concerned that I might harm the project by my
involvement so I'll stay away from IMEs for a while. I'll have to find
an IP lawyer who can
2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that
Prepare fancy build system with compilation on demand, then build
dedicated software package for every customer, with
On Friday 26 January 2007 08:40, Denis Kot wrote:
No, I don't need hardware emulator. I need interface emulator :).
Where I can play with phone's interface and maybe onboard software w/o
buying the phone. It's ok if it will be compiled for i386 or whatever.
You can use QEMU : it will provide a
Bryan Fink wrote:
Answers of the, So I know exactly what my phone is doing at all times
- no secrets, variety typically get you labeled paranoid. Answers of
the, Because I will be able to modify absolutely anything about it,
Really interesting thread, Bryan - and definitely worth thinking
That's the most braindead shit I've heard since a long time.
Why are you suddenly playing the weenies?
Do you need a huge Carrara-marble tomb-stone with
Mickey, the inventor of OpenMoko?
Just get the shit out and stop talking about September.
And yes, it is a good thing if you keep steering
to, 2007-01-25 kello 22:56 +, Dave Crossland kirjoitti:
Many free software projects accept donations, and if you are willing
to pay the developers after enjoying their software, I feel it is
important to donate a little.
Indeed. Which brings to mind that should/could OpenMoko provide some
If anyone needs examples of how phones connect behind ones back, I can provide
a fair few.
I had the O2 XDA Orbit. It looks like a smashing phone, but the software on it
lets it down massively.
The carrier have changed the software's functionality, so even when you disable
GPRS connection
Well the point is that I'd like to have the battery to last more than
one day. That's why I'll won'tr have GPS and BT enabled 24/24.
And activating BT profile was only an idea, I don't want my shortcut
to call mum being activated every time I get back home :)
Rgs,
Foucault
On 1/25/07, Robert
On 26/01/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to, 2007-01-25 kello 22:56 +, Dave Crossland kirjoitti:
Many free software projects accept donations, and if you are willing
to pay the developers after enjoying their software, I feel it is
important to donate a little.
Indeed. Which
On 26/01/07, Ben F-W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you tie that to a more specific
example, it might help to get the concept across. I usually point out
how the priorities of end users and those of operators differ: and it's
the operators who are the manufacturer's biggest customers. For example,
Hey Bryan,
This is a very interesting thread, it almost qualify as a very
primitive market report for OpenMoko. :-)
For me personally, I would like the phone to be a commercial success.
Commercial success means a higher chance of version 2 beyond of the
phone being considered by FIC.
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisał:
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
embdded system so that even hacking out the program from the embedded
Salve Marcin!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia pi?tek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisa?:
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
On Friday 26 January 2007 09:31:18 Richi Plana wrote:
True that. I can't think of an application right now for 11n on a phone.
But then again, someone said 640KB of RAM was sufficient for the
desktop. :)
Sure, but unlike with DOS, there's nothing stopping the devs from adding N
when we need
Salve David!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:
ACCESS is a participating member of both OSDL's Mobile Linux Initiative and
of the Linux Phone Standards Forum--I'm acting chair of the MLI Steering
Committee and vice-chair of LiPS' Architectural Working Group--and we've
Welcome!
The answer to your question is Yes. If you want more specific information,
please read the following resources for the technical how-to; it's all out
there.
To search the mailing list:
In your favorite search engine:
site:lists.openmoko.org [keyword(s)]
2007 Neo1973
There is no management in a company of one or two people.
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot. Indeed, it
was not about the DRM in this case: There was some variation of it and
it was easily cracked. The
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:12, Jeff Andros wrote:
as I understand it, you can get more value out of the accellerometer
than that
in the simplest case, we know a gps can be off by a certain percent.
say you leave the phone still for a long time, you could average the
error and get more precise
Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit
of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well).
Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko
community.
And once a developer puts a price on an application, should you 'share'
or 'unauthorise
On 1/26/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a side note... In the US and probably other countries there is a
standard for the interface to the car computer. From that interface you
can get the vehicle speed and diagnostic information about how the
engine is running. It might be
On 26/01/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit
of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well).
Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko
community.
If this is commercial free software,
On 25/01/07, Ketut P. Kumajaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have ported FBReader for Motorola E680i/A780 mobile phone and
I am sure FBReader author only need a couple hour time to make
it run on OpenMoko if he has access to OpenMoko device.
http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader
I can't see a way to
One thing that should be developed is a unified profile manager (and
well defined API). With all of the application possibilities, there are
going to be several programs that will take action based on (location,
time, schedule, whatever). One of the most frustrating things is to
have several
You're speaking of OBD or CAN.
There are some good interfaces out there, though the auto companies
try to protect their information. It would be neat to build a
plotter/scanner interface for measuring the car sensors on the Neo
using either bluetooth or serial/usb.
Bluetooth OBD scanner:
Can I call you a 'pirate' if you do share his fridge?
Joking aside I think that you may have missed the point here. When I write
an app for OpenMoko _if_ I decided to ask for money for that app I'm the
sort of guy who wouldn't mind if someone else shared it with friends,
modified the code etc.
I have to admit that I kind of agree with Marcus, especially in terms of
leveraging the free marketing that will happen from an early release.
But in order to do this properly, we need to better organize the OpenMoko
support infrastructure.
Support will be required for:
* Hardware issues
* Core
One thing that we should look into is to have something like
an RSS Feed of that data, which can be downloaded everytime
we have a cheap (bluetooth, usbnet) IP connectivity. Then
cache all that data locally.
As far as I understand: GPS ephemeris cannot be really cached in the Neo
given
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:22 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote:
Applications get written over and over again because people are not
satisfied with the way things are.
Well, it's not actually that simple. There are actually quite a few
reasons. NIH being one of the most irritating. But even if it was
We also need to take into account that accelerometers measure
acceleration. If you accelerating or decelerating it will be able to
tell you the magnitude of the force and you can time the duration to
find the distance traveled. However, suppose that you are moving at a
constant velocity, the
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
mapping software that I want to use, I shouldn't have to jump through
hoops to get it. I should just be able to go into the market place, go
to 'Non-Free Software', and buy the TomTom app.
Your argument may be 'but every software
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 09:00 -0500, Duncan Hudson wrote:
I'm sure that this has been discussed, but there will be a VPN client
pre-installed right? I know it's open source and I'm free to put what I
want but don't you think there should be a pre-installed client that is
certified to work
This should be put on the Wiki under Advocacy (or similar):
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 09:16 +, Andrew Loughran wrote:
If anyone needs examples of how phones connect behind ones back, I can
provide a fair few.
I had the O2 XDA Orbit. It looks like a smashing phone, but the software on
it
Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my
business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little
confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here:
http://old.linux-foundation.org/lab_activities/mobile_linux/mli
Not too confusing. It's not a recent page, and the
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot.
Proprietary software developers often refer to unauthorised copying as
piracy.
This terms implies that copying is ethically equivalent to attacking
ships on the high
I mentioned this in another thread too, but a usb-svga adapter with
bluetooth, audio, the CAN or other car electronic interface would make a
sophisticated docking station that the Neo would be plugged into when
driving. Another application that follows would be to use the GPS
combined with a
On 1/26/07 5:39 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The OpenMoko appeals to me because it is innovative and cool
looking. Also, I am tired of having to replace my phone...I have 5
right now that are useless. I want a phone that can update and add
applications that I want. I want
There was some mention on this list a while ago about an iPhone-style
Visual Voicemail system. The following service could be a really good
replacement, if your carrier supports it:
CallWave: http://www.callwave.com/
Discovered via: http://www.therawfeed.com/2007/01/why-wait-for-iphone-
On 1/26/07 8:47 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just get the shit out and stop talking about September. Get the brain
share into it - nobody will mind if you keep doing the decisions.
Can we please keep this list civilized?
This is a great opportunity for Linux/Open Source (add
On 1/26/07, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I mentioned this in another thread too, but a usb-svga adapter with
bluetooth, audio, the CAN or other car electronic interface would make a
sophisticated docking station that the Neo would be plugged into when
driving. Another application
Salve Gervais!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Gervais Mulongoy wrote:
I have to admit that I kind of agree with Marcus, especially in terms of
leveraging the free marketing that will happen from an early release.
But please not with a buggy hardware...
But in order to do this properly, we need to
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 9:12, Steven Milburn wrote:
yes, accelerometers measure acceleration. The first derivative of
acceleration is velocity. Granted errors in the accelerometer compound
when deriving velocity, but you've usually got GPS information to
calibrate against (As Jeff was saying).
On 1/27/07 12:57 AM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my
business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little
confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here:
Sean please just ignore idiots like this. The rest of us know
you're doing the best job you can and want to see the phone out
ASAP just as much as we do. In summary: ignore the trolls and
keep doing what you're doing.
--pj
On Saturday, Jan 27, 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz writes:
On 1/26/07 9:40
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:58 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:Dave Crossland
wrote:
But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
There's no ethical problem.
Sorry Dave, but you are wrong. There IS an ethical problem. Just
because you CAN do something doesn't mean that
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 09:41 -0800, Tim Newsom wrote:
Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is
velocity... How do you propose to gain any velocity information when the
acceleration measured is zero as would be the case if you are at a
constant velocity? This is
Not too confusing. It's not a recent page, and the information on there was
provided by members (of which FIC is not currently one, although we've
invited
them to participate...)
Please don't take this a meaning anything other than we have zero free time
Oh, believe me, I understand
-- Forwarded message --
From: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26-Jan-2007 18:06
Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
To: Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(offlist)
On 26/01/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
proprietary software. If you want
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Linux Organisation membership and organisation politics is not my
business, but from the linux-user point of view it is a little
confusing that OpenMoko/Neo1973 isn't mentioned here:
On Friday 26 January 2007 18:41:50 Tim Newsom wrote:
yes, accelerometers measure acceleration. The first derivative of
acceleration is velocity.
Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is
velocity...
I don't think so. The first derivative of VELOCITY is
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 10:04:54PM +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
What about DRM, is there a way to bind a program to a sync ID like
it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It should be
possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?)
While I'm not in charge of marketing or strategic
Hi!
It is my pleaasure to announce two new resources of the OpenMoko
project:
1) planet.openmoko.org
See: http://planet.openmoko.org/
This is a PlanetPlanet RSS feed aggregator of blogs and journals by
both official OpenMoko developers, and people in the comunity working
on OpenMoko related
Twas brillig at 19:21:15 26.01.2007 UTC+01 when Harald Welte did gyre and
gimble:
HW 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HW This is a mailinglist dedicated to OpenMoko development. From
HW developers, for developers, by developers.
Could you explain a bit: is it mailing list for discussing development
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:35 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Marcus, these kind of comments are not constructive at all. Mickey is a core
member of OpenMoko and is doing an amazing job. You haven't even seen the
work he's done and you're already bashing us?
I honestly believe that OpenEmbedded
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:28:19AM +0600, Mikhail Gusarov wrote:
HW This is a mailinglist dedicated to OpenMoko development. From
HW developers, for developers, by developers.
Could you explain a bit: is it mailing list for discussing development
of OpenMoko itself only or also for
On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 01:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Listen, there's nobody on this list that wishes we'd had this phone out in
January more than I. But delays happen. You can't seriously be calling us
liars now are you?
Gosh no, that would be nonsense!
However I'm sure I'm not the
On 26/01/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really hate to get in on this discussion
Talking about freedom is important, so thank you for your polite and
rational contribution.
Dave Crossland wrote:
But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
There's
-- Forwarded message --
From: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:37:39 +0800
Subject: Re: Developers phone also fit for early adopters?
On 1/26/07 9:40 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL
Tim Newsom wrote:
Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is
velocity... How do you propose to gain any velocity information when
the acceleration measured is zero as would be the case if you are at a
constant velocity? This is why I am saying you would need some
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal. I sense his
frustration with not having the device and his concern that others will
get to market first and stealing the 'community made' thunder and of
course in financial speak, the market share.
We all want toys and I'm sure OM is itching at
Grey areas.
Actually, I don't think it's grey at all. The decision maker, as far as how a
work can be published and/or sold, is the copyright holder.
Copyright is the _right_ to _copy_. If you're not the copyright holder, and you
haven't been granted a right to copy by the copyright holder,
- Forwarded message --
From: Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:13:49 +0100
Subject: Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
On Friday 26 January 2007 18:41:50 Tim Newsom wrote:
yes, accelerometers measure
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 19:24, Marcus Bauer napisał:
But if you can produce enough phones, than let all the early adopters
have them, whether they are developers or not.
In projects like this it is normal to write that phones in Phase 0/1 are
target to developers. It is other way to say
I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what
that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices
(Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system
that's most prevalent in the companies I've encountered. Does anyone
know which VPN
Salve Jesse!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Jesse Ross wrote:
There was some mention on this list a while ago about an iPhone-style
Visual Voicemail system.
I wouldn't mention apple as refference for this idea -
apple like to claim patents for solutions and like to sue...
The following service could
Steven Milburn wrote:
Wow, I can't believe I got that backwards, thanks for the correction.
Kind of embarrassing considering I actually work on this stuff.
However, it doesn't invalidate that you don't need any more
information than the accelerometer and a starting point in order to
track
On 26/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See whether you get charged with something like theft (or
infringement of copyright, which is tantamount to theft...)
Infringement of copyright is very, very different to theft.
If I shoplift some food from my local
store, no one
Alexandru Lazar writes:
I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what
that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices
(Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system
that's most prevalent in the companies I've encountered. Does
FBReader have GTK+ and Qt interface. I made some modification to make it not
look alien on Motorola EZX platform. EZX base on Qte with different look and
feel. I think still need some work to make it smooth integrated to OpenMoko
platform.
---Pesan Asli---
Dari:Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL
First: I understand if all developers are busy right now... But after
February 11...
Can we get a release of a kernel and disc image for qemu, and the
repository so we can update our image. Then we can explore the
environment, test not only our software, but our ipkg packaging. Hack
not
On 1/26/07 10:33 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The original point was: It doesn't make sense to equate copying
digital information with stealing physical objects.
No...? If you were to come into possession tomorrow of a copy of the
yet-to-be-published seventh Harry Potter book,
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote:
So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support
proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do
anything against them, though.
GPLv3?
Paul
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On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 13:40 -0500, Steven Milburn wrote:
Sean: I think you missed the sarcastic hyperbole that Marcus was
attempting to use. He was basically saying that calling you liars
would be about as wrong as assuming since he didn't reply, he must not
have read a post. It's a weak
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 22:04 +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
marketplace? What about DRM, is there a
Salve Richi!
Good point!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Richi Plana wrote:
And with that, let me state that I think it important to use Figures of
Speech as little as possible in these mailing list. For one thing, many
of the members of these lists don't have English as their primary
language (I know
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:18, Steven Milburn wrote:
Wow, I can't believe I got that backwards, thanks for the correction.
Kind of embarrassing considering I actually work on this stuff.
However, it doesn't invalidate that you don't need any more information
than the accelerometer and a
On 1/26/07 11:01 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it's not the author's wish that the software be freely
copy-able, which is certainly a desire the author's quite
entitled to have
I am less certain, and judging from most people's actions, I think you
are in quite a minority
On 1/26/07, Paul Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote:
So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support
proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do
anything against them, though.
GPLv3?
The GPLv3 does nothing to
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal.
Sorry, David, _I'm_ bluntly vocal, that was simply abusive.
There's a difference, but I've never known either one to speed up a hardware
platform project.
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On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:16 -0700, Richi Plana wrote:
I've been working with Linux for such a long time and I'm not sure what
that VPN client is. Truth is, though most popular network devices
(Cisco, etc.) use VPN that Linux supports, it's Microsoft's VPN system
that's most prevalent in the
I don't agree with his email tone either and neither will he speed up
release of the product. His email was rude and abusive, yes. But him
an idiot, no.
-david
David Schlesinger wrote:
He's not an idiot, he's just being bluntly vocal.
Sorry, David, _I'm_ bluntly vocal, that was simply
On 1/26/07 10:47 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your argument may be 'but every software for the phone really should
be free - people will write it'. However, if someone hasn't come up
with an absolutely free, modifiable mapping software, I should just be
able to get the
Side note final release 9/11 Isn't that a poorly chosen date...
Whatever You do it will
piss someone off.
...Dons flame retardent suit...
We can't let terror rule our lives
...Flees stage left...
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It may seem obvious to you that copyright law is about protecting
authors...
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is
granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is
granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
As I said,
Example. Instead of a calendar app just muting the phone when in a
meeting (nice feature) it would activate a profile (maybe silent or
meeting). Other apps could also use those profiles. For instance a
GPS location aware app could know to use the same silent or meeting
profile when you
Le vendredi 26 janvier 2007 à 19:21 +0100, Harald Welte a écrit :
Hi!
It is my pleaasure to announce two new resources of the OpenMoko
project:
Thanks for taking the time to setup these two new resources.
Rodolphe
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Salve Peter!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Peter A Trotter wrote:
It's clear the technology is available to make this possible without any
crude hacks. We need to make friends with the carriers in so many ways to
make this project fly.
Why? The Neo1973 could become the voice mailbox in most of the
Greetings Rob and Sean,
Thank you for welcoming me to the community! I have played catch
up on the discussions going on here and it is very lively and
interesting. I am now very excited about OpenMoko! I can well
understand the excitement and desire to get ones hands on this phone
I'm sorry to stick my nose into this possible bees-nest.
But I feel I have to object a little here.
On 1/26/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 26/01/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
mapping software that I
On Jan 26, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Listen, there's nobody on this list that wishes we'd had this phone
out in
January more than I. But delays happen. You can't seriously be
calling us
liars now are you?
Haven been working on a wireless device my self for the past few
ha ha, I did mean to send it to the list... thanks!
On 1/26/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Salve Jeff!
Was it your intention to answer me private and not to the list, too?
Don't get me to seriously, my English is not perfect,
so I'm not good in making jokes in English :))
On 1/24/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He said what? Christ, give me Richard Stallman any day.
Renaissance Man
On 24 Jan 2007, at 1:03 am, Marcus Bauer wrote:
Linus Torvalds once jokingly said: I am your god.
Here's my understanding of this comment, to clear things up: the
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