Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-13 Thread Richard Bennett
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 03:36, Ryan Kline wrote: Wouldn't it be hilarious if we finally find a USB power solution after spending many hours laboriously building a device only to find that Sean has decided to power the USB port. yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still

R: Camera and MMS

2007-02-13 Thread Michele Manzato
Voting for integrated Camera as well for future releases of the Neo. Not using it very much, but it can be handy every now and then. In time I expect that the OpenMoko platform API will grow to support a wider range of peripheral families than are available in the Neo at the moment (camera, wifi,

Re: R: Camera and MMS

2007-02-13 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
On 2/13/07, Michele Manzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voting for integrated Camera as well for future releases of the Neo. Not using it very much, but it can be handy every now and then. It could be also used to develop automatic image recognition programs like a barcode reader or simple

Is there an emulator?

2007-02-13 Thread giulio alfano
Is there an emulator to start playing with the software, I'm interested in developing a the ability to chose witch net to chose and in witch priority. I leave on the border with italy and slovenia and would like to minimize the bill ;) ... and yes of course I will buy one the first second it

Re: Problems installing boost pkgs for OE (Was: Problems installing OE on Linux)

2007-02-13 Thread Terence Haddock
Only these commands should be needed to install monotone: wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb sudo apt-get install libboost-date-time1.33.1 \ libboost-filesystem1.33.1 libboost-regex1.33.1 sudo dpkg -i monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb unless somebody objects,

Re: R: Camera and MMS

2007-02-13 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 10:26:32 Michele Manzato wrote: [...snip...] MMS seems to be a problem. Apparently there is no MMS standard, or the standard itself is said to be horribly broken (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/002787.html) or it is tweaked to

Re: Windows Mobile on Neo?

2007-02-13 Thread Peter A Trotter
Don't be worried. All the stuff you do within VMware on linux will stay there. Your MacBook is not in danger ;) -Pete On 13/02/07, Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm just being too lazy. Im pretty scared about this OE thing because I am running Linux on VMWare Beta, on my brand

Re: Problems installing boost pkgs for OE (Was: Problems installing OE on Linux)

2007-02-13 Thread Terence Haddock
That is a good one, I need to remember that! Since we're directly referencing a specific monotone install on a specific architecture, adding the dependencies does not bother me too much, however it would help keep the page up-to-date if we updated the monotone version. So, again, if no-one

Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-13 Thread Florent THIERY
yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone. To me, the most valuable feature is the keyboard; a small one, but usable. And it's not something you use on mobility situation (in the streets...). With the not-sexy-at-all battery

Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-13 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:05:30 Florent THIERY wrote: With the not-sexy-at-all battery powered usb hub, will a keyboard work easily? USB keyboard support in the kernel would be sufficient, right? As for keyboard, you can even use a self powered usb keyboard and not use any cabling at

Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-13 Thread Richard Bennett
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:05, Florent THIERY wrote: yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone. To me, the most valuable feature is the keyboard; a small one, but usable. And it's not something you use on mobility

Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges

2007-02-13 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:16:10 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: As for keyboard, you can even use a self powered usb keyboard and not use any cabling at all. Obviously that should read Bluetooth instead of USB. pgpEhlkzZvHmn.pgp Description: PGP signature

And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working Referneces or In-Replay-To On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: Hi, Why so many people who believe in the ideals put

Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! Excuse me, I myself was writing once here on this list about respect and to give everybody a warm welcome. The best solution for mailinglist formal things would be personal mails with explaination... Robert Michel schrieb am Dienstag, den 13. Februar 2007 um 13:57h: The gmailers here on

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail and think I understand the problem. The problem is with the list. I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if I in gmail say reply to replys to the sender and not to the list. I NEVER*** want to

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gmail users how to use gmail proper, instead of that I have to inform

Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew Turner
As a Gmail user (all my emails route to Gmail), I found it the best because it is free, reliable, works on all my mobile devices, large storage, easy to use, good spam filtering, and has excellent threading. In fact, the only messages that become de-threaded are yours rob. Your habit of changing

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gmail users how to

Re: This explains the CC'ing but what's about the missing references? Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve hank! This explains the CC'ing. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail and think I understand the problem. The problem is with the list. I am on 15 tech

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Thanks Richard. I have read this before, but forgot the official name of reply-to munging. I think your analysis is correct. The only thing I would say is that the non-standards compliant way of handling list administration is in fact, as far as I can tell, the standard way that at least the

Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Alexandre Franke
On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... It's not because Google do the summer of code and have Chris Dibona and most of the talented OS developers on their

REmove ME PLease

2007-02-13 Thread Josh Britt
Please remove me from the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: community Digest, Vol 14, Issue 22 Send community mailing list submissions

Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Marcel de Jong
Sorry for not replying at the bottom... Why the open hostility towards GMail users? You all tout we want freedom to choose and all that, but still you'd like to stifle the same level of freedom of others. I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of the few great

Idea: Caller set ringtone

2007-02-13 Thread Ole Tange
Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. The transfer of the ring tone should preferably be done, when calling. But if that is not feasible then it should be

Re: Camera and MMS

2007-02-13 Thread Joel Newkirk
I agree. My work environment is as free and open as can be imagined, (sysadmin for a wireless broadband ISP - I work from home much of the time, most of the rest is at a tower or our NOC) but there are a variety of situations/locations (list growing) where camera phones are prohibited. Like many

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Oh, and one more thing. You've been told this by others before, but you igore it so I will say it again. You keep changing the subject of your posts, and whether you like it or not you are screwing up gmail threading, and I suspect threading from other programs. That wouldnt be so bad if your new

Re: Problems installing boost pkgs for OE (Was: Problems installing OE on Linux)

2007-02-13 Thread michael
Please change the wiki page as you suggest, Terence, and thanks both to you and Robin for sorting this out. Michael On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Terence Haddock wrote: That is a good one, I need to remember that! Since we're directly referencing a specific monotone install on a specific

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread michael
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote: Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list. Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of

Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread ROB
This is totally off-topic for the list, really, but whatever... I use gmail because spam has made email pretty much useless for me. Because I have default addresses enabled for many of my domains, I get something in the neighborhood of 1500 'dictionary attack' spam messages a day. It's not

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Reid Thompson
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, hank williams wrote: On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail the better way. With your way, even if you change the

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Reid, Your test doesnt work when you are looking at messages that you yourself sent. Messages you send from a given thread are always in the same thread, but messages from someone else from the same thread with a different subject are not put in the same thread, and that is the problem on the

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Marcel de Jong
Hello Robert my apologies too, I was somewhere in a bad mood at the moment I wrote that response, it was like adding oil on the flames, you couldn't know that either. On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Marcel,*! This is a personal answer from me - I'm very sorry to

Update: Problems installing OE on Linux

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Kline
Okay-- BTW I am following this tutorial: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/OpenEmbedded/ SettingUpOEForUbuntu I got Boost installed and I am cruising along. Will update again if I have trouble. Thank you for all your help. -ryan ___

Petty Bickering :( Please stop!

2007-02-13 Thread Mike Hodson
Will you all just please stop the petty bickering amongst yourselves, and concentrate on the WONDERFULNESS that is openmoko I don't care about what email client one may use, or the difficulties by some people with regards to threading. I for one apologize for sending a few emails previously

References: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Kline
S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. I'm new to forums, etc. Could someone post a tutorial on using Apple mail for refereces,

How many Neos?

2007-02-13 Thread Milan Votava
Bad guy again :-) : To Sean: How many Neos have to be sold (and in which time frame) to keep FIC happy? I think this is pretty important and we, as a community should help to achieve this target. If Sean we fail, FIC will probably show no mercy with the beloved platform. Am I wrong? Please

Re: Abuse - was Idea: Caller set ringtone

2007-02-13 Thread Ian Stirling
Ole Tange wrote: Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. To avoid abuse the callee should be able to deny people from doing it. Default would be deny.

More Problems installing OE on Linux

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Kline
Hey-- Now I am stuck trying to obtain BitBake. Terminal doesn't recognize svn command, what should I use? -ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: More Problems installing OE on Linux

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Kline
Now I am stuck trying to obtain BitBake. Terminal doesn't recognize svn command, what should I use? sudo apt-get subversion Did you mean: sudo apt-get install subversion? That seems to work Thanks, Ryan On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ryan Kline writes: Now I am

Re: Idea: Caller set ringtone

2007-02-13 Thread Knight Walker
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:13:43PM +, Ole Tange wrote: Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. No phone I've seen yet allows the caller to set anything

Re: OpenGL on the Neo1973??

2007-02-13 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Paul Bonser wrote: On 2/13/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If somebody wanted to do an OpenGL ES implementation for it, that would probably also be good, though at 233Mhz, it's not going to have much power spare for rendering, and plus, the SDL port would be much more

New Topic: Community List Privacy Concerns

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Kline
I may be being a bit paranoid, but with all this online predator stuff going on, I am a bit concerned about my privacy within the list. For example, although you must be a member of the list to view a list of all list subscribers, anyone can view the list archives which include our emails