On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:21 -0400, Mike wrote:
This is open source development. So we developers aren't making
money
here. I for, one am NOT willing to pay $350 to get a device that I'm
not sure will work with whatever service I choose, and therefore that
I'm not sure I can even develop
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 20:14 +0100, Danijel Orsolic wrote:
I hope you don't mind; I've copied your call for help here:
http://www.mobiliberty.com/openmoko_needs_your_help
And I submit it to a popular GNU/Linux news site. More exposure means
greater chances of you finding the help you need.
hank williams skrev:
On 3/13/07, *Gabriel Ambuehl*
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On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 00:58 +0100, Robin Sonefors wrote:
I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with
european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need
to
import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every
time
it runs out, it'd
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 19:09 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw
revision?
I would very much welcome a standard SD
ke, 2007-03-14 kello 16:30 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz kirjoitti:
If you're seriously considering buying a Windows Mobile over something
like a power adapter, which you could buy at any store for maybe 10
euro, this really is the wrong the device for you now.
Sean, Sean, Sean, all the trolling
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 09:30, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
I have a much more important question, however: will the Neo work with
european electrons, or will I need to import asian ones? If I'd need
to
import a new set of electrons to use for charging my battery every
time
it runs out,
Mike (or better everybody new to this project/list)!
I'm in favor to welcome everybody on this list,
to respect him and to help that his interest,
effort and skills will be supported and answered
that it is most efficent for him and the community.
But as hard as I try to stay patient and
Robert Michel wrote:
PS: Ahh, and when your aim is to sabotage openmoko (or someone
would try it in your style) your noise will not stopp anybody
here who is seriously active on/with openmoko - no it will/would
strengthen the community.
Yeah, through all that ranting I think I/we actually laid
Guys/Gals,
Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a
specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I
currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan
I just decided to screw it and went with the
I don't know about you guys, but even if I couldn't get a compatible plan,
I'd probably buy the device anyway. A gorgeous, open Linux device backed by
a community like this one? I think it's definitely worth the $350.
On 3/14/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at
Eric Heinemann wrote:
Guys/Gals,
Cingular is not clear as to which data plan is the proper one to purchase for a
specific phone. Some reps are well informed, while others are not. I
currently have a Blackjack, and after 3 days of asking which is the proper plan
I just decided to screw it
Dear Community,
A _huge_ thanks for all the feedback on this WiFi stuff! We've got some
new leads now and will keep you all posted when we find one that meets
our freedom requirements. ;-)
-Sean
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well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet
connectivity with it.
But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser,
then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different
than what you expect from it.
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Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
well the wap apn would make me suspicious if you'll get normal internet
connectivity with it.
But yes if it's only wap, and if the final version will include a wap browser,
then yes, the Neo will work with the plan. OTOH you might something different
than what you
I did some research on Nanoradio for my employer. They have very good
specs, actually the best I've seen for power. I'm not sure how mature
the product is. Nowhere does it mention opensource.
Marty
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:50:49 -0800
From: Steve Bibayoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
On
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Andreas
The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference
is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably
can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a
requirement for you).
This Gogole training video showed up in slashdot a few days ago, but
might be worth reposting here. The title is a bit on the nasty side,
but the message itself is much more positive.
Folks in other countries might want to edit the url's .com to point
to their regional google and get a bit
That suggests that the isp apn does not use nat. If so that's cool. OTOH all
(admittingly European carriers) do nat for internet access. OTOH the wap apns
provide a walled garden that include a wap proxy that allows surfing http sites.
Despite how many people associate internet==IE, having a
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could just tell us where
you want to use this device?
Plus you're really arguing for no reason. This thread was _us_ asking
_you_ for help getting WiFi into this phone ;-)
-Sean
Sean, I did that in my thread What
NAT makes life harder for a VPN, but not impossible.
The easiest case is if you've got a machine tucked away someplace that
doesn't use NAT, you can use it as an openvpn server and have all the
clients hidden behind NATed firewalls. That's actually what I do --
I've got an old machine under my
* Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070314 16:37]:
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Andreas
The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference
is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably
can't use it with a VPN (you
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:01:08AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote:
In my opinion, unless there is another company that can meet his
requirements, the only real answer is to have an SDIO interface and let
the end user/developer decide how to load a binary into the kernel from
the chipset
Harald Welte wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:21:06PM -0400, Mike wrote:
What this has to do with wifi is covered in my last email. If I can't
have wifi on the device, then I have to rely on the mobile service
provider. If I have to rely on the mobile service provider, then I have
to
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:34:48 Harald Welte wrote:
I've added this (and some more info) to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko
I've added a link to
http://www.zcomax.com/1mbfile/G%20product/XG-880M_specification%20.pdf to the
wiki. prplague on #openmoko is working on
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Subject: Re: Crossroads
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
GSM should work just about anywhere. Maybe you could
The Prism is not getting much traction in the market. The company has
been bounced around from owner to owner. I would think that using the
prism in a design would be very risky because the chip may not be around
for the life of the product.
Marty
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:55:49 +0100
From:
Mike wrote:
Thanks Harald, I'm out,
I think I speak for us all when I say, Don't let the door hit ya where
the good Lord split ya.
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Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now if some of you ask yourself: But you're having binary-only GPS code!
My answer is:
1) it's in userspace, and thus not a legal issue at all. Nobody argues
that running Oracle on top of a Linux kernel is a GPL violation. No
grey arae.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:52:56 +0100, jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Imre Kaloz wrote:
Atheros AR6K - check http://atheros.com/pt/AR6001Bulletins.htm , and
for the fully GPL'ed driver and SDIO stack please check
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/
I hardly think you will find a
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
I don't understand what is wrong about selling a device that
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 17:10, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
Metaphorically speaking, you're looking at the wrong end of the
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 09:51:37AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote:
I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area.
Modules can be proprietary this is a fact.
Not only have I been directly involved in the development of such, but
have talked to people that did serious research
Dnia środa, 14 marca 2007, Mike napisał:
If what you say is true, I can't imagine what the business case is for
expensive third-party phones. Here's a $350 device, good luck getting
it to be useful. Pick a two year contract and cross your fingers.
Expensive? Unlocked Nokia 6280 costs same
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:51:37 +0100, Martin Lefkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I disagree with that premise that it is a nasty legal area.
Modules can be proprietary this is a fact.
Grey area, but hard to argue until they use any GPL code or symbol.
If it were not then everybody would
I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are
biting the hand that feeds you.
If you succeed in getting companies afraid to be adding modules to a
kernel for fear of having to expose their detailed register layout to
the public either by documentation or code you will
Dnia środa, 14 marca 2007, Imre Kaloz napisał:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:07:45 +0100, Grahame Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What about the Marvell® 88W8385 module used on the wifistix
Open source drivers can be found at http://gumstix.com
No open source drivers for that either. If you check the
I just briefly took a look at the chip, and yes this does look
different. They are doing what Marvell is doing, and what TI did, by
finally embedding a controller on the device side. How much of the MAC
is on that side is a good question. I assume they are still using the
host for Scatter
Martin Lefkowitz writes:
I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you are
biting the hand that feeds you.
Please, I beg you, don't let this turn into a GPL license/closed
firmware/other legal stuff thread. As has already been pointed out,
these issues are debated daily, to
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:12:11AM -0700, Martin Lefkowitz wrote:
I was not aware of your work in the legal area. It sounds like you
are biting the hand that feeds you.
I am not biting the hand that feeds me, but I am biting companies who
knowingly and willingly disrespect both copyright law
* Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070314 19:02]:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:10:22PM -0400, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
I
I am not sure if this idea is already described.
When you have a conversation with another OpenMoko user you may want
to transfer some data. It may be a business card or an URL or
something similar.
My idea is to have the smartphone send a synchronizing sound and then
do the data transfer.
If I receive a business card it sometimes happens I try to call a year
later. At that point the person has a new phone number and I will have
to look that up. I would much rather receive an intelligent business
card that was always up to date.
To secure anonymity we will need a protocol that
It's called Plaxo.
Why reinvent the wheel, works great and is free.
Regards,
Dean Collins
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Yup.. This is the vCard Bursting concept.
One of the designs we're working on at the Homebrew Mobile Phone Club
includes a mobile phone where the audio path goes through the apps
processor so it can start sending data over the GSM voice channel.
There's a little more info on that at:
Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and
don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a
good solution.
Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data
call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a voice call with
Hi all and Wolfgang,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:12:48AM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
[...]
The second cent is that many folks here are looking at the developer's
phone as simply a way of getting the consumer's phone 6 months early.
These people obviously have never used early rev.
Yeah... this is called Meishi. I developed it while I was in Japan.
The idea was that you put a unique bar code on the bottom of your
business card. The code is essentially a serial number and URL to
your online Meishi server MACed with a secret key you maintain. You
give your business
Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
Yes... if you have a Blackberry, Treo or HTC phone, run Windows and
don't mind keeping your data on Plaxo's servers, Plaxo is indeed a
good solution.
Still... I'm fairly certain that most GSM phones can't make the data
call to the Plaxo servers _while_ they are on a
Hi Matthew,
You might want to have a chat to Scott Shaffer who writes a blog called
The Pondering Primate.
http://theponderingprimate.blogspot.com/
He goes nuts for that kind of stuff.
Regards,
Dean Collins
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By virtue of being able to track the IP addresses of people who download
the MokoMakefile (a utility that makes it easy for new developers to set
up an OpenMoko build environment), I can now report that (according to
the download logs) over 1100 people at unique IP addresses have
downloaded the
On 3/14/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We absolutely need chipset (or even SMT module using the chipset)
specifically designed for the power and size constraints of mobile
phones or other equipment such as portable media players.
Can you give some numbers for the power consumption
* Elrond [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070314 21:14]:
c) I really hope against and can't see the orphaning of
older hardware.
One thing that we should not forget, OpenMoko is a platform, that will
support any number of phones in the future, so supporting different
hardware revisions of the Neo
Yeah, great work community! Its nice to see some positive forward movement
in this area, as opposed to just discussion about not having a certain
feature.
Remember that we are a fairly large community at the moment, and while
discussion may be great (sometimes) other times it can divert effort
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 12:57 +0200, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
ke, 2007-03-14 kello 16:30 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz kirjoitti:
If you're seriously considering buying a Windows Mobile over
something
like a power adapter, which you could buy at any store for maybe 10
euro, this really is the wrong the
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