Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
I am quite sure that there will be others who are longer in the business (like http://www.handheld-linux.com to name one I know very well) to resell the GTA02 from within Europe. But we must be aware that reselling needs some more margin for handling all these duties, tax, repacking,

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Le jeudi 23 août 2007 à 08:58 +0200, Daniel Spies a écrit : 450USD are better than 500+ USD, and I would prefer a shop where I could bring my phone to, if there are reasons for warranty usage. Daniel (previously known as [EMAIL PROTECTED]) the main issue here are the following : * using a

2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread Phani Kumar Kancharala
Hi all, I followed the steps in wiki-openmoko to get openmoko on my pc running Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fwan. Finally I also ended up with the same error reported by *Frank Gau, *following are the error and logs given by the mokomakefile: NOTE: Running task 1395 of 3371 (ID: 2696,

Re: T-Mobile, MyFav and OpenMoko

2007-08-23 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi. You can still use MyFav if you phone doesn't support it. It will require you to log into my.t-mobile.com to manage them, but it does work. My current phone doesn't support MyFav, but I use it with no problem. Kenny ___ OpenMoko

Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread Rod Whitby
Phani Kumar Kancharala wrote: Hi all, I followed the steps in wiki-openmoko to get openmoko on my pc running Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fwan. Finally I also ended up with the same error reported by *Frank Gau, *following are the error and logs given by the mokomakefile: |

Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread mickeyl
From OpenMoko-community: Rod Whitby wrote: Phani Kumar Kancharala wrote: Hi all, I followed the steps in wiki-openmoko to get openmoko on my pc running Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fwan. Finally I also ended up with the same error reported by *Frank Gau, *following are the error and logs given

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Jay Vaughan
As a programmer, even *I* might be selling them, directly, from the factory .. j. On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am quite sure that there will be others who are longer in the business (like http://www.handheld-linux.com to name one I know very well) to

RE: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Andrew Loughran
Hi Guys, I'm not sure if I posted to the list before, or was just chatting on IRC - but I have been a little busy over the past few days. I collected my neo just over a week ago (see http://blog.zrmt.com/?p=42) and was suitably impressed with it. I don't think there are enough superlatives, but

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Andy Loughran
Hi Guys, I'm not sure if I posted to the list before, or was just chatting on IRC - but I have been a little busy over the past few days. I collected my neo just over a week ago (see http://blog.zrmt.com/?p=42) and was suitably impressed with it. I don't think there are enough superlatives, but

Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Sorry about that. I'm just fixing uicmoc4 to build against Qt/Embedded, hence removing the dependency on X. Mickey. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Giles Jones
Andy Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : My gut feeling was that Vodafone would probably be one of the last providers to support/distribute a linux-based 'open' phone given their reputation fro crippling devices with their own version of the software, none the less I also felt that the

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread AVee
On Thursday 23 August 2007 13:27, Andy Loughran wrote: Hi Guys, My gut feeling was that Vodafone would probably be one of the last providers to support/distribute a linux-based 'open' phone given their reputation fro crippling devices with their own version of the software, none the less I

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Ian Stirling
Brad Arnold wrote: On 8/22/07, *Ian Stirling* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NXP has a FM radio in a 2*3mm package that sits on the I2C bus and has 8 or so external components, to give you a complete FM radio. Some $3 IIRC for the device in quantity.

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Ilja O.
2007/8/22, Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around 80-100USD !! I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are available, to other Europe

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Ian Stirling
Giles Jones wrote: On 22 Aug 2007, at 22:37, D. Vicario wrote: To listen for streaming radio I MUST pay for the download, and the price of data isn't cheap... so, the FM module is the only way, for me, to listen radio. And I see very much use of it. FM is only worth doing if you can

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Andy Loughran
Well those were exactly my two thoughts: 1) Vodafone can brand it to a much higher level than ever before. -'unlimited' customisation 2) Since HTC don't want branded (and 02 won iPhone - though I'm not too sure) there's a gap in Vodafone's portfolio. 3) Vodafone can install their own

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Ian Stirling
Brad Arnold wrote: On 8/22/07, *Ian Stirling* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NXP has a FM radio in a 2*3mm package that sits on the I2C bus and has 8 or so external components, to give you a complete FM radio. Some $3 IIRC for the device in quantity.

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread AVee
On Thursday 23 August 2007 14:14, Ian Stirling wrote: Giles Jones wrote: On 22 Aug 2007, at 22:37, D. Vicario wrote: To listen for streaming radio I MUST pay for the download, and the price of data isn't cheap... so, the FM module is the only way, for me, to listen radio. And I see very

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Giles Jones
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : It's valuable if it's very cheap or free. But it's another chip on the already large board. There's a wifi/bluetooth/fm combo chip from Broadcom which could be considered, subject to research into the open-ness of it (historically they've been closed).

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On to, 2007-08-23 at 15:15 +0300, Ilja O. wrote: 2007/8/22, Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy quantities of devices from FIC and resell them from here, in Switzerland,

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Nicolas Bougues
On Thursday 23 August 2007 14:38:02 Giles Jones wrote: I suggested TMC simply because we are unlikely to see an open source turn by turn routing system for the GPS in this device, so we could at least have an application which could alert you of potential traffic issues ahead (would be a case

Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread Jimmy McMillan
I'm having the same problem. Could you please explain what you did exactly to fix it. Thanks Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Sorry about that. I'm just fixing uicmoc4 to build against Qt/Embedded, hence removing the dependency on X. Mickey. ___

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Tilman Baumann
Giles Jones wrote: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : It's valuable if it's very cheap or free. But it's another chip on the already large board. Agree DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. Agree. Definitely more geekish. :) There's no end of features you

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Ian Stirling
Tilman Baumann wrote: Giles Jones wrote: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : It's valuable if it's very cheap or free. But it's another chip on the already large board. Agree DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. Agree. Definitely more geekish. :)

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Giles Jones
Nicolas Bougues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : It would be really cool to have RDS on a portable FM tuner. However, I'm afraid RDS requires very good signal quality, which may, or not, be reachable using a mobile device. Many PDA GPS solutions have RDS. I've had RDS work on a mobile device with

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Giles Jones
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : As to why not carry a seperate radio. It's another thing to lose, charge, and get tangled in my pocket. It doesn't vibrate to remind me when my favourite show is on. It needs batteries charged. It can't timeshift programs. It can't broadcast sound over

Vodaphone etc.

2007-08-23 Thread David R. Newman
Andy Loughran wrote: Well those were exactly my two thoughts: 1) Vodafone can brand it to a much higher level than ever before. -'unlimited' customisation Actually, many carriers are now moving into new countries, as there is more scope in places where people don't have many 'phones.

Re: Screenshots

2007-08-23 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Thomas Wood wrote: On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 19:49 +0300, Kalle Kärkkäinen wrote: [...] I guess that there should be something extra on the ui. It's pretty plain as it is. Maybe there could be animations or some other stuff that'd make the phone come to life? Maybe for the menus and toolbars

Re: Vodaphone etc.

2007-08-23 Thread Andy Loughran
David, That sounds like a very interesting Ph.D. project. Should a carrier take interest in the neo1973, I think it would be good for openmoko to have some resources available in order to tout the benefits - to the provider - rather than just the customer of this new level of customisation,

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Brad Arnold
That information is not entirely correct. The NXP TEA5766 has FM, RDS, and I2C. It can be implemented in a 36 mm square area with only 11 external components (other than the IC). It Operates at 2.7V, 15mA, and consumes 40.5 mW. The size of the IC itself is 3.3x3.3mm. Sounds appealing, doesn't

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Brad Arnold
Sorry, replyed to the wrong post...either way, interesting IC On 8/23/07, Brad Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That information is not entirely correct. The NXP TEA5766 has FM, RDS, and I2C. It can be implemented in a 36 mm square area with only 11 external components (other than the IC). It

Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am frustrated. After waiting patiently for many, many months for the hardware to arrive, and getting absolutely NO status information on my order for weeks, I finally sent an email and I got this: I am sorry that we are not able to arrange your order on 2nd batch which is in mid-August.

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-23 Thread Giles Jones
On 23 Aug 2007, at 18:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I putting up with all this frustration reading about others who -have- their phones and why should I not just cancel my order?? Convince me. A few points, it's always been a developer release and a somewhat experimental project.

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Jeff Andros
On 8/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. snip --- G O Jones as long as you realize that now we're talking about multiple versions for different regions... DAB isn't going to help me here in the US, and HD radio

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Shawn Rutledge
DAB is only in Europe right? How about if the phone had an expansion connector, next to some cavity that isn't already filled with something (I hear there are some of those, internally), and you could add modules as you please. The connector would need to have a few GPIO connections to the main

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

2007-08-23 Thread Jeff Andros
On 8/23/07, Andy Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 3) Vodafone can install their own 'branded' openmoko on the phone for mass distribution, but this doesn't stop the 'hardcore' geeks or 'educated n00bs' from changing the software over the the original openmoko. /snip um, all they'd

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Jeff Andros
from what I've seen/heard, most of the GPIO lines are already taken up by alt-functions, but we could have the (spi/nssp)/i2c busses brought out to that location On 8/23/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAB is only in Europe right? How about if the phone had an expansion connector,

Re: FM Radio

2007-08-23 Thread Shawn Rutledge
Sounds fine. I also thought later, some FM radio implementations seem to use the headphone cable as an antenna, somehow (maybe they are just using the shield of the cable, coupled capacitively as an antenna and through a ferrite bead to ground? just guessing). So the module might need such a

Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3

2007-08-23 Thread rukhsana ansari
Try: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev and rerun make openmoko-devel-image -Rukhsana Jimmy McMillan wrote: I'm having the same problem. Could you please explain what you did exactly to fix it. Thanks Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Sorry about that. I'm just fixing uicmoc4 to build against

Re: Colour Discussions...

2007-08-23 Thread mcb, inc.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Franco Austin wrote: Therefore these colours mentioned above feel all machinist and not a bit of warmth in them I think we've hit a turning point now drawing artists and poets to the project... :-) -- Monty Brandenberg ___

Re: WiFi vs. speaker

2007-08-23 Thread Eric Johnson
Giles Jones wrote: GSM antenna is at bottom of phone, should be at top of phone. I thought the idea of having the antenna at the bottom was so that the signal isn't attenuated by your head so much during a call. [At least someone told me that was a good thing on the RAZRs and it sounded