Re: How snappy can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK?

2007-09-04 Thread polz
On Monday 03 September 2007 20:24:38 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Guys, I wish to have time doing some benchmarks of e.g. GtkFB vs. GtkDirectFB vs. Gtk/X11 -- likewise EFL/X11 vs. EFL/Fb. Delivering factual numbers for things like that would be very interesting for us. While this might not

Re: omit qemu from OE build?

2007-09-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 9/3/07, Eric Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To workaround the problem you had with gentoo and uicmocv4-native_4.3.1 please see bug 747 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747 Thanks I'll try that. ___ OpenMoko

Re: How snappy can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK?

2007-09-04 Thread Nils Faerber
polz schrieb: On Monday 03 September 2007 20:24:38 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Guys, I wish to have time doing some benchmarks of e.g. GtkFB vs. GtkDirectFB vs. Gtk/X11 -- likewise EFL/X11 vs. EFL/Fb. Delivering factual numbers for things like that would be very interesting for us. While

RE: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Ken Yale
Hello, I'll answer the questions you raise, and clarify some points. Ken --- LTO is there now and it is free for FIC customers. Great! Is there a url for wget, or is it more complex than this? I forget the URL, I can get it later. Just look at the source code for

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:19:19 +0200, Ken Yale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice you mention GTA01 only - is there any significance in this? Unfortunately, GTA02 does not have a Broadcom GPS device inside. Am I getting it right that while GTA01 used to contain a GPS receiver, GTA02

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Giles Jones
Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Am I getting it right that while GTA01 used to contain a GPS receiver, GTA02 doesn't have one? I think he was referring to the fact that he works for broadcom and it would be easier for him to advice if it did. GTA01 and GTA02 have a Global

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Alexey Feldgendler pisze: On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:19:19 +0200, Ken Yale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice you mention GTA01 only - is there any significance in this? Unfortunately, GTA02 does not have a Broadcom GPS device inside. Am I getting it right that while GTA01 used to contain a

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On ti, 2007-09-04 at 09:01 +, Giles Jones wrote: Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Am I getting it right that while GTA01 used to contain a GPS receiver, GTA02 doesn't have one? I think he was referring to the fact that he works for broadcom and it would be easier for him

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Mikko J Rauhala wrote: Have I missed something by the way and has gllin for GTA01, OpenMoko 2007.2 been released yet? Since we have a Broadcom guy here, Ken, you know what the deal is with that? I'm working on providing an EABI toolchain to Ken, so that we can get a corresponding gllin binary.

Re: problem with vanilla-kernel-patchset

2007-09-04 Thread Harald Welte
This is a question regarding kernel development, so _please_ post it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not everybody in our community is interested in those technical details, and vice versa, people who work on the kernel might not read community. On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 03:38:24PM +0200, Dennis Gessner

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Harald Welte
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:44:20PM +0100, Ian Stirling wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 9/1/07, Raphael Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: Is there any technical info available about this chip? Is there an X driver for it, or one in progress? depending on the timeframe,

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Harald Welte
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:19:22PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote: On 1 Sep 2007, at 17:11, Mikko Rauhala wrote: You're implying there are better choices... I wouldn't know since I've not looked into such things. But ATI have mobile GPUs and are open sourcing desktop drivers, maybe they would

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Harald Welte
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:31:00PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote: On 1 Sep 2007, at 16:07, Ian Stirling wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: Is there any technical info available about this chip? Is there an X driver for it, or one in progress? There is as I understand it at the moment only a dumb

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Giles Jones
Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Why do you think we have spent many weeks, if not months to meet with each and every graphics chip vendor? We're not that stupid, eh. It was a very painful and long process to finally find one company that was not fundamentally opposed to free

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Giles Jones
Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this argument, the entire openmoko software stack would not be open source, because we are writing it. I

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Giles Jones
Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Sigh. Broadcom acquired Global Locate. However, for whichever reasons, GTA02 will have a different GPS chip. On the IRC channel, I heard that the new chip/vendor is more co-operative with free software, at least. That's good then. Sorry but not all

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Giles Jones wrote: Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this argument, the entire openmoko software stack would not be open source, because we are

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Harald Welte writes: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:31:00PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote: Seems like an odd choice of unit then for an open source phone. So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this

RE: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread thomas.cooksey
So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this argument, the entire openmoko software stack would not be open source, because we are writing it. So are you going to release the source code to the

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Giles Jones
Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Well... not speaking for Giles, but the drivers I've seen for closed chipsets have generally involved a thin open-source wrapper around a closed binary driver. Letting you write a real open-source driver while demanding NDA to see the specs you're

Re: other text input concept...

2007-09-04 Thread Jonathon Suggs
--- wrote: I had made some updates on my idea to a new text input method: http://www.inf.ufsc.br/~guy/text_input.html an append: when the user press the key it could expand (about 40%) that key and contract the others. With that, the user probably will see all chars that he can access by that

Re: gpsd and AGPS

2007-09-04 Thread Ian Stirling
Ken Yale wrote: Hello, Correct. The Broadcom WWRN will predict the SV track and create ephemeris in advance of broadcast by the SVs. long-term-orbit files, (who knows, GL may go down under lawsuits, and the servers fall over, be eaten by giant mice, ...) to providing only a snapshot of

GTA02 GPS (was Re: gpsd and AGPS)

2007-09-04 Thread Harald Welte
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:19:19AM -0700, Ken Yale wrote: I notice you mention GTA01 only - is there any significance in this? Unfortunately, GTA02 does not have a Broadcom GPS device inside. Just to clarify this: We have both GTA02 prototypes with GL/Broadcom and with a a competing

Re: GTA02 GPS (was Re: gpsd and AGPS)

2007-09-04 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ti, 2007-09-04 kello 23:27 +0800, Harald Welte kirjoitti: Just to clarify this: We have both GTA02 prototypes with GL/Broadcom and with a a competing firmware-based AGPS solution. Thanks for the clarification, and apologies for spreading the premature word out on the street that the change

Re: Lipstick on a fetus

2007-09-04 Thread Harald Welte
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:56:00AM -0400, Ken Young wrote: I've really enjoyed playing with my neo1973, and I'm very glad I bought it. I've written a little PDA application for it which I hope other people will eventually have fun with. But I must say I'm a bit worried by the

Re: GTA02 GPS (was Re: gpsd and AGPS)

2007-09-04 Thread Ian Stirling
Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2007-09-04 kello 23:27 +0800, Harald Welte kirjoitti: Just to clarify this: We have both GTA02 prototypes with GL/Broadcom and with a a competing firmware-based AGPS solution. Thanks for the clarification, and apologies for spreading the premature word out on the

Re: SMedia 3362

2007-09-04 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 04 September 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Well... not speaking for Giles, but the drivers I've seen for closed chipsets have generally involved a thin open-source wrapper around a closed binary driver. Letting you write a real open-source driver while demanding NDA to see the specs

Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions

2007-09-04 Thread Al Johnson
Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my

Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions

2007-09-04 Thread Tilman Baumann
Al Johnson wrote: Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source

Re: mount the phone filesystem over USB?

2007-09-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 9/3/07, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/3/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody having success with nfs or sshfs or some other method? I installed openssh to give it a try, which seems to be installed correctly but when I try to mount it:

Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions

2007-09-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 8/17/07, Clarke Wixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at this picture: http://www.apc.com/products/moreimages.cfm?partnum=UPB10aPos=5 As you will see, it has a female mini-B socket from which it charges itself, and a female full-size A socket to which it supplies power. Uh oh... makes you

Re: Lipstick on a fetus

2007-09-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Harald Welte wrote: So please exercise patience. When we started selling phase1, I made an internal comment that I don't think the software stack will mature a lot during the first 2-3 months after the hardware release. Compared to that, there was actually quite a lot of progress, mainly

Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions

2007-09-04 Thread Clarke Wixon
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 8/17/07, Clarke Wixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at this picture: http://www.apc.com/products/moreimages.cfm?partnum=UPB10aPos=5 As you will see, it has a female mini-B socket from which it charges itself, and a female full-size A socket to which it supplies power.

I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(

2007-09-04 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, today is a day of mixed feelings... I've been using a Sony-Ericsson S700i phone for 2 years now, and it's been quite usable to me. But I smashed the display today when it fell out of the pouch it was sitting in. It probably still works, but the screen is unusable. Since I've heard about

Re: I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(

2007-09-04 Thread curlynoodle
Christ van Willegen wrote: Hi, today is a day of mixed feelings... I've been using a Sony-Ericsson S700i phone for 2 years now, and it's been quite usable to me. But I smashed the display today when it fell out of the pouch it was sitting in. It probably still works, but the screen is unusable.

Re: I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(

2007-09-04 Thread Jimmy McMillan
If you think you can wait a few more months before you'll be able to use it as a phone, then I don't see the harm in not deving for it. :P Christ van Willegen wrote: Hi, today is a day of mixed feelings... I've been using a Sony-Ericsson S700i phone for 2 years now, and it's been quite

Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)

2007-09-04 Thread Josef Wolf
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: [ ... ] Not much faster I'm afraid, but a new version available at the same place: http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py Lars, can you please explain what you mean how this new 12-chars-per-key system works? I have tried

Re: GTA01 now or GTA02 later

2007-09-04 Thread Josef Wolf
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:51:37PM +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote: [ ... ] 4) Which would YOU choose, a GTA01 now, or a GTA02 in 5 months? AFACS, you have no choice: GTA01's are sold out. You simply _have_ to wait... ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: GTA01 now or GTA02 later

2007-09-04 Thread Ian Stirling
Josef Wolf wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:51:37PM +0200, Federico Lorenzi wrote: [ ... ] 4) Which would YOU choose, a GTA01 now, or a GTA02 in 5 months? AFACS, you have no choice: GTA01's are sold out. You simply _have_ to wait... There have been conflicting announcements.

Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)

2007-09-04 Thread Tilman Baumann
Josef Wolf wrote: On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: [ ... ] Not much faster I'm afraid, but a new version available at the same place: http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py Lars, can you please explain what you mean how this new 12-chars-per-key system

Re: Two finger input methods (PyGTK demos)

2007-09-04 Thread Lars Hallberg
Josef Wolf skrev: On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: [ ... ] Not much faster I'm afraid, but a new version available at the same place: http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py Lars, can you please explain what you mean how this new 12-chars-per-key system

Re: I broke my (non-NEO!) phone :-(

2007-09-04 Thread Christ van Willegen
On 9/4/07, Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think you can wait a few more months before you'll be able to use it as a phone, then I don't see the harm in not deving for it. :P ...so I might as well dev for it. True, true, but setting up the build env. has proven to be ... hard