Re: OpenMoko OE repository not quite ready for MokoMakefile production usage

2007-11-30 Thread John Lee
Hi Rod, The oe snapshots site: http://downloads.openmoko.org/OE/snapshots/ The monotone repository: monotone.openmoko.org I have done various tests on them such as run different versions of monotone againest the database files, build from scratch with these settings, etc. There might still

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread Galevsky
On Nov 30, 2007 3:48 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia piątek, 30 listopada 2007, Galevsky napisał: I think about writing the list of professional applications that can be loaded on such a hardware. IMHO, this phone would become easily your best friend in meetings wether

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Michael Shiloh
Heikki Sørum wrote: When were talking about different ways to use accelerometers.. Bob meet's Alice and they both want each others contact information. First Bob and Alice shake their phones in an predetermined password pattern to unlock the bluetooth/zigbe/(whatever-short-range-radio). Then

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Tilman Baumann
Beware. This is not a new idea. Patents? ;) Btw. i would suggest bashing the phones together. (like a wood block instrument) This will produce uinique paterns which do not depend very much on the resolution of the accelerometers and could easyly picket up by a legacy microphone of any

Near-field comms (was Re: need someone to develop this....)

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Nov 30, 2007 1:34 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging an encryption key.

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Nkoli
On Nov 30, 2007 3:34 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging an encryption

Re: Near-field comms (was Re: need someone to develop this....)

2007-11-30 Thread Ian Stirling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering... I did already suggest NFC in a post some days ago (Hardware addition ideas for (=) GTA03 on Sun Nov 25 19:36:23 CET 2007), but got absolutely no reaction (I suggested multi-SIM capability too), and now I am wondering what was so bad about *my*

RE: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Dean Collins
This is too perfect. What a cool idea - seriously unfortunately now that you've published here is no longer able to be but was worthy of a patenting. Not only could the method of shaking but the timing of shaking could have been the key. Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Ian Darwin
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging an encryption key. So if you want to establish a trusted relationship with

re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Heikki Sørum
When were talking about different ways to use accelerometers.. Bob meet's Alice and they both want each others contact information. First Bob and Alice shake their phones in an predetermined password pattern to unlock the bluetooth/zigbe/(whatever-short-range-radio). Then they both shake their

Re: Community Update

2007-11-30 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Standard Precision Service (SPS) for GPS is open to the general public and all information related to it should be unclassified, although some is For Official Use Only (FOUO). Pres Bill Clinton made a Presidential Decree, when he was in office, that gave undiluted precision of SPS to the

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread Michael Shiloh
WJCarpenter wrote: Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down Hmm, I think I can see what's coming, based on watching many wacky comedies over the years. Things will get switched. Alice will end up with the Neo full of cash while Bob wanders away with the Neo

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread kahl
Running vi on neo? Not recommended without a usb keyboard.. By the way, where can I get one ;) I haven't tried them yet, but initiated getting some AlphaGrips, and think they would be useful also for that: http://www.alphagrips.com/ Wolfram

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread Galevsky
On Nov 30, 2007 4:51 PM, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running vi on neo? Not recommended without a usb keyboard.. ? thus, neither e-mail, nor sms writing recommended ? I hope text editors are welcome onboard... do you imagine the OpenMoko projects without text ? CLick-to-launch is

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 30 listopada 2007, Galevsky napisał: I think about writing the list of professional applications that can be loaded on such a hardware. IMHO, this phone would become easily your best friend in meetings wether it provides the good applications... I am thinking about Mind Mapping.

Re: Community Updates not working well and GTA02b4 in february

2007-11-30 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi again, On Nov 30, 2007 12:53 PM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ van Willegen wrote: I've gathered from the e-mails that the GTA02 will be distributed to end users in Februari. What e-mails are you referring to? I found what I was looking for! There has been a recent

Re: Community Updates not working well and GTA02b4 in february

2007-11-30 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, On Nov 30, 2007 12:53 PM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ van Willegen wrote: I've gathered from the e-mails that the GTA02 will be distributed to end users in Februari. What e-mails are you referring to? One I am sure I saw this morning, but searching form 'februari' in my

Re: OpenMoko OE repository not quite ready for MokoMakefile production usage

2007-11-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
I've now updated MokoMakefile to use these official OpenMoko sites. Great! Do we just 'make update-makefile update all' to get rolling with the new schema? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Community Updates not working well and GTA02b4 in february

2007-11-30 Thread Erland Lewin
Christ van Willegen wrote: I've gathered from the e-mails that the GTA02 will be distributed to end users in Februari. What e-mails are you referring to? Have I missed a community update? I find it frustrating that important information is not released through the community update process,

Re: OpenMoko OE repository not quite ready for MokoMakefile production usage

2007-11-30 Thread Rod Whitby
John Lee wrote: The oe snapshots site: http://downloads.openmoko.org/OE/snapshots/ The monotone repository: monotone.openmoko.org I have done various tests on them such as run different versions of monotone againest the database files, build from scratch with these settings, etc.

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread flexd
When i get a phone i wanna try making this :D Michael Shiloh wrote: Jay Vaughan wrote: On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Tim Shannon wrote: Personally, I'd like to see it blink on and off, and scream when you shook, then I could show my friends my possessed linux phone. i bet you can do

Re: GTA02b4 in februari and Fosdem 2008

2007-11-30 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 30 listopada 2007, Christ van Willegen napisał: So, two questions: - How sure is it that I have my Neo in my hands on feb 22nd 2008 - Has a Jabber client been ported alredy? It need not be a flashy GUI version, a text version would suffice. s/ported/built/ you mean? There are

GTA02b4 in februari and Fosdem 2008

2007-11-30 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, I've gathered from the e-mails that the GTA02 will be distributed to end users in Februari. I can live with that, no problem. BUT: On Februari 23rd and 24th 2008 (see http://fosdem.be/2008/) Fosdem 2008 will be held in Brussels. Fosdem is an excellent opportunity to show off the GTA02. About

OpenMoko development on Virtual PC for Mac

2007-11-30 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, I've asked around before, but didn't get an answer that worked. Perhaps in the mean time, someone has solved this... I've tried setting up Ubuntu on Virtual PC 7.03 for a G5 iMac. Each time I've tried, Ubuntu install claims that it is unable to find a correct kernel. I've followed the

Re: GPS driver for GTA01 available

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Nov 29, 2007 4:58 PM, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've already tested it, and (subject to my limited ability to read raw NMEA) it works. Tonight I will probably spend some more time testing with some sort of GUI app. It does seem to stop working sometimes, after running for a

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread Frans Grotepass
On Friday 30 November 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: And you... what about your expectations as a professional tool ? All depends on definition of 'professional tool'. For me gVim is professional tool for example ;) Well, any person that actually took the time to learn (g)Vim will have no

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread Emre Turkay
Running vi on neo? Not recommended without a usb keyboard.. By the way, where can I get one ;) emre On Nov 30, 2007 5:20 PM, Frans Grotepass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, any person that actually took the time to learn (g)Vim will have no trouble agreeing that it is a professional tool, so

Re: Professional applications

2007-11-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
Not recommended without a usb keyboard.. Bluetooth keyboards work great! I consider my neo1973+Apple Wireless BT keyboard a fantastic pair! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

RE: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread WJCarpenter
Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down Hmm, I think I can see what's coming, based on watching many wacky comedies over the years. Things will get switched. Alice will end up with the Neo full of cash while Bob wanders away with the Neo containing two pairs of

Re: need someone to develop this....

2007-11-30 Thread GWMobile
I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open disclosure. Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the same as a public printing therefore I think it would still be patentable. On