Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread Lally Singh
These sound like fun! Is there any way to get a higher-bandwidth connection out of the OM than USB? Say if we wanted to double-output the video signal or whatever. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really very simple. Someone hack one together, take

Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread Michele Renda
Lally Singh wrote: These sound like fun! Is there any way to get a higher-bandwidth connection out of the OM than USB? Say if we wanted to double-output the video signal or whatever. Remember it is a phone, not a star trek pad :) Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury napisał: In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its availability matches the Freerunner's at this point. Not to mention that's the origin of Qtopia that everybody

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Andrea Debortoli
Michael told next couple of months...a month ago, and no announcement has been released yet... 2008/3/16, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Christoph Witzany
JW schrieb: On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words from Openmoko You already know what you get 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own

Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread Ivo Anjo
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it is good enough to use with a cam, or to plug a pendrive or an USB HD. I don't think its usb2... at least the wiki mentions usb1.1 everywhere. Can you check

Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo

2008-03-16 Thread Alexandre Ghisoli
Le dimanche 16 mars 2008 à 03:12 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) a écrit : Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: We have seen the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive with a funny lock screen saying something about an Fruit Phone. No videos for us? :P Heh, sorry, my GTA01v4 doesn't

Over The Air - event

2008-03-16 Thread john
Anybody from Openmoko or the community attending Over The Air ? http://overtheair.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread joerg
Am So 16. März 2008 schrieb Ivo Anjo: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it is good enough to use with a cam, or to plug a pendrive or an USB HD. I don't think its usb2... at least the

Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread Magnus Alvestad
They are saved in evolution files in the root home directory. I don't remember the exact path, but it's something like: ~root/.evolution/memos/memos.evo -- Magnus Alvestad - Seniorkonsulent Webstep Mob: 982 98 004 - http://www.webstep.no Oslo - Bergen - Stavanger - Trondheim

Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread Michele Renda
I apologize. I was wrong. I think it is still good enough to read / write usb pendrive but it can give problem in case of a webcam (I am thinking to 1.3 MPix webcam). But for a normal vga webcam I think there are not problems Ivo Anjo wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Michele Renda

FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Mark Haury
Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury napisa: In order for there to be "competition", there has to be something available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its availability matches the

FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Mark Haury
Daniel Spies daniel.spies at fuceekay.com wrote on Sat Mar 15 22:42:47 CET 2008 On Saturday 15 March 2008 19:27:02 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: ...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the gps module, and the gsm module? You may get some I/O specs, but the modules

Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Magnus Alvestad ha scritto: They are saved in evolution files in the root home directory. I don't remember the exact path, but it's something like: ~root/.evolution/memos/memos.evo Since When I'll have a freerunner I'd like to import my SMSs saved in my actual mobile, I'd like to know the

FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Mark Haury
Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 On Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury wrote: In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its availability matches the

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Matt Manjos
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 On Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury wrote: In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The

FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Mark Haury
Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008: I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x the quantity of the 1973 (what was hinted to earlier), and some major hardware problem was

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Ivo Anjo
I think there are people here with different objectives. My objective is to get a cool platform where I can code and play around, but I fully intend on using it daily as a replacement for my current cellphone and pda, and do care about problems. Clearly there are people out there that do not

Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Could you confirm that USB2 devices are actually recognized in _highspeed_ mode (Freerunner), and which transfer rate we might expect? They are recognized as 12Mbps devices, that's all that we can handle

Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo

2008-03-16 Thread Andrea Debortoli
Watch this!! http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=X781iXprqo8 Ciao 2008/3/16, Alexandre Ghisoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le dimanche 16 mars 2008 à 03:12 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) a écrit : Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: We have seen the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive with

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread David Lefty Schlesinger
Mark Haury wrote: Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008: I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x the quantity of the 1973 (what was hinted to earlier), and some major

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Well, i've followed this discussion and only one thing is left to say: LOL!!! Just get back from your dream and get the information in the list: 1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even your PC

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread JW
On 16/03/2008, Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The suggestion to make my mind up reading kernel discussions is not very helpful and might even be considered mockery. the suggestion above that you alone are worthy of a declared delivery date (when it has been extensively described

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Mark Haury wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark

Re: OpenMoko and accessories design

2008-03-16 Thread joerg
Am So 16. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: - gpg control packet Somebody in the thread at some point said: Could you confirm that USB2 devices are actually recognized in _highspeed_ mode (Freerunner), and which transfer rate we might expect? They are recognized as 12Mbps devices, that's

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
clare wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Matt Manjos
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008: I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x the quantity of

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi everyone, I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Thanks, Michael Andrea Debortoli wrote: Michael told next couple of months...a month ago, and no announcement has been released yet... 2008/3/16, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Christoph Witzany wrote: JW schrieb: On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words from Openmoko You already know what you get 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michele Renda
Also I think so: Produce a phone, with all this function is not easy, and hardware can not to be fixed with a patch or a version update. I appreciate what FIC people are doing. Ivo Anjo wrote: I think there are people here with different objectives. My objective is to get a cool platform

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread andy selby
On 16/03/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Don't rush on the hardware, your doing a bang up job already (translation for non-british: thumbs up), I'd rather

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michele Renda
Hello Pietro I think you said what a lot of Neo supporter think! Someone must to understand is not just a phone. I something different from what there was untill now. If a person want just a phone or a pda is better that buy a phone or a pda. :) Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Well, i've

Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Do you have some examples to post? Thanks! I didn't know any of this until Magnus said, but it seems it is like this, additional texts appear between additional BEGIN:VJOURNAL / END:VJOURNAL # cat

german openmoko, qtopia, neo1973 forum

2008-03-16 Thread einstein
Hello, we want to start an blog, forum and media gallery for fans of the Openmoko, Neo1973 and Qtopia. Its in german and you can find it under www.freeyourphone.de on the right sight you can find a button to the forum oder media gallery... we are happy if you visit the place and will be a

Re: german openmoko, qtopia, neo1973 forum

2008-03-16 Thread joerg
NXP(!) developed a battery pack(!) named PCF50633?? AFAIK the PCF50633 is GTA02's PMU chip, and the battpack is made by PPS, not NXP. j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: german openmoko, qtopia, neo1973 forum

2008-03-16 Thread einstein
sorry, for the wrong information... thanks for your help... joerg wrote: NXP(!) developed a battery pack(!) named PCF50633?? AFAIK the PCF50633 is GTA02's PMU chip, and the battpack is made by PPS, not NXP. j ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Subject: Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread Bobby Martin
Magnus Alvestad ha scritto: They are saved in evolution files in the root home directory. I don't remember the exact path, but it's something like: ~root/.evolution/memos/memos.evo Since When I'll have a freerunner I'd like to import my SMSs saved in my actual mobile, I'd like to know

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Fred Janon
I'd rather have a solid device 6 months down the line than a faulty device in 1 month. I agree 100% with Andy. I don't want to buy a device and discover a major issue a month after that. I don't want to have to wait for GTA02.1 or to have to buy a new GTA03 3 months after GTA02 comes out You are

Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: Do you have some examples to post? Thanks! I didn't know any of this until Magnus said, but it seems it is like this, additional texts appear between additional BEGIN:VJOURNAL / END:VJOURNAL # cat

Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread Ian Darwin
Thanks... Just one thing: how is generated the UID data? It seems something like: UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, how is calculated what I called ${id}? There is an official spec for the UUID format, or several variants of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uuid Ian D

Re: where The SMS message save?

2008-03-16 Thread joerg
Am Mo 17. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: Do you have some examples to post? Thanks! I didn't know any of this until Magnus said, but it seems it is like this, additional texts appear between additional

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: 1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even your PC run something which is not open source (BIOS, graphic card firmware, cdrom firmware, every kind of firmware

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lally Singh
A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed. Just a single place to find out what's going on. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha

RE: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
IMO I'd rather the dev team spend their time developing than writing blogs and answering the communities every question. Their number 1 priority is getting the FreeRunner finalized and working. Not coming up with arbitrary dates that the device may or may not be ready by. It would be better

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Matt Manjos
I agree, that sort of thing would be a lot of work for little gain. There has to be something internal that allows for communication between members, however. For example, I am a big fan of the prototypes page on the wiki that outlines the devices produced so far, who has them, and what work has

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Richard Bennett
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:49:57 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do agree with this... Btw imho all the words written in this thread are due to only one thing: the lack of communication by the FIC developers (the hardware ones first of all, but also the software

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Lorn Potter wrote: Mark Haury wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lally Singh
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the info is there, you just have to subscribe to the other mailinglists, see: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ and also the feeds section: http://planet.openmoko.org/ I think if you have time to

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread joerg
The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with version A6 currently. Seems there are no showstoppers been found so far. Power management is at a reasonable some days to some weeks in standby with GSM. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Over here we're working as hard as we can to

network registration from NEO! please help!

2008-03-16 Thread Erin Yueh
Hi List, We'd like to ask your kindly helps on network registration by using your NEO devices. Particularly, the network from T-Mobile in UK, ATT in USA, and Vodafone in Germany, since we've heard some problems about network registration. It's difficult to camp the network by using some

Re: network registration from NEO! please help!

2008-03-16 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
cool. Should we create a wiki page to collect the results? Wolfgang On Mar 17, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Erin Yueh wrote: Hi List, We'd like to ask your kindly helps on network registration by using your NEO devices. Particularly, the network from T-Mobile in UK, ATT in USA, and Vodafone in