On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:02:14 -0400 Steven Milburn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
This question is probably just because I misunderstood something you said
before, but I'll ask anyway :)
If it is acceptable to use QVGA, couldn't that basically be done without any
hardware changes? I believe I
Boo, the Glamo seems to kill everything :(
On 6/6/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
at vga.. forget mame and games - they will be doing fullscreen updates. at
vga... no chance (of any decent
The difference between the VGA screen of the Neo and the QVGA screens I have
are very clear to me (with the VGA being clearly superior) when kept side by
side. But for most of my activities including reading long emails the QVGA
resolution is enough. So unless we have the processing power to run
Well, it isn't that slow (on GTA01).
In fact it feels really responsive, just the launcher shows some laggs. I
guess it should be able to fix this by more agressive caching, as the
problem seems to be, that the neo loads the images/icons pretty slow.
The other problem is the starting of other apps
steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
*pops the Champagne*
Thanks Openmoko!
Regards,
--
Lucas Bonnet
Carsten,
There is any posibility to change the screen resolution without reboot?
If we can do so we can dinamically change it to got the best of two worlds, a
high resolution for almost statical screens to webbrowsing, doc editing,
picture viewing, an a low resolution to mame, video playback(?),
I agree with you that the VGA screen is very important for marketing the
Freerunner - other comparable smartphones dont have that feature and are
certainly no where near in terms of DPI. I am also assuming that OM wont
discontinue the GTA02 (Freerunner) when GTA03 comes out. So mass market
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:09:55 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
IMHO, reducing any Openmoko device to QVGA will be the end of the
Openmoko project. And I have business reasons to wish that OM
survives...
why would it be the end? the majority of phones in the
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:58:08 +0200 Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
you can just drive it at qvga...
Boo, the Glamo seems to kill everything :(
On 6/6/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 06 June 2008 00:34, Feydreva wrote:
a stylus is a another thing to loose... I do NOT want to be Dependant on a
stylus...
perhaps you could tie yours to a piece of string and then attach it to the
loop. I'd also recommend this for your mittens.
--
Andy / ScaredyCat
Carsten,
What app/situation you have in mind when you affirm than nobody can detect a
the difference at half resolution?
I have in mind a web browser a half resolution means double the scroll bars, I
have in mind a pdf doc viewer, half resolution means I have to zoom in more
the document to
Am 06.06.2008 um 09:45 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman):
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:09:55 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
babbled:
IMHO, reducing any Openmoko device to QVGA will be the end of the
Openmoko project. And I have business reasons to wish that OM
Honestly, if the freerunner did not have VGA screen but QVGA, I would not
buy it !
For me, VGA is a must have feature. As other said, there are plenty of QVGA
devices. I don't want one of them because of the resolution.
I have a Dell Axim X5 and I'm really sad about the QVGA resolution (in
X certainly can do that, but AFAIK without specs you can't do hardware
scaling, so using anything different than the screen resolution would be slow
and/or use too much cpu thus drain the battery.
On Friday 06 June 2008 09:08:41 David Samblas Martinez wrote:
Carsten,
There is any posibility
Aaaaha, I seen it being used for all sorts of archeology and buildings
construction purposes.
That's what I, as an archaeologist, want D-GPS for :)
With AGPS for quicker acquisition time (I'm thinking this will be
particularly useful when your phone's in your pocket in suspend mode -
turn it
So it actually slower? Why can that be?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:40:01 +0530 Rahul Joshi[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Good job for the video and hey openmoko people, GOOD JOB for the ASU,
it's really nice, quite slow on the neo 1973 but it
From what I remember of the of the discussions of video playback on the
freerunner on the list, plans are there to offer default video playback in
QVGA mode in the polished software as it is more practical on the current
hardware. Also I may be wrong on this but it should not be impossible for an
Hi Carsten,
I'd argue for a VGA screen for three reasons:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:39:05 +0200, Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
change the output at the lcd controller level.
1. Greater flexibility. I can use
On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
change the
output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga
screen
when we won't use it. also it does look blocky. it isn't about glamo or
not -
But we are able to do to hardware scaling, isn't it? afaik in the long video
play resolution thread this were mentioned (maybe there are differents scale
concepts)
--- El vie, 6/6/08, Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
De: Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Yummy new
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:07 PM, NeoSleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, if the freerunner did not have VGA screen but QVGA, I would not
buy it !
But the freerunner does have a VGA screen and as per information in Steve's
email mass production is about to start/ has started.
The debate
Honestly, if the freerunner did not have VGA screen but QVGA, I would not
buy it !
For me, VGA is a must have feature. As other said, there are plenty of QVGA
devices. I don't want one of them because of the resolution.
I have a Dell Axim X5 and I'm really sad about the QVGA resolution
YAY!
Finally, we are arriving...
-Marcel
Am Donnerstag 05 Juni 2008 17:12:42 schrieb steve:
The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
All of the geeks that I have shown my GTA01 to have been in awe of
it's high-res VGA screen.
Whatever direction OpenMoko wants to go in, I'm sure geeks will always
be a large part of their target demographic.
To touch on Gabriel's comment, WVGA would be the same resolution as
the Nokia N800
On Friday 06 June 2008 09:45:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is - if you have a nice screen but the engine to power it is
underpowered, you will suffer from complaints of it just being slow then
instead.
I'd like to wave the little please can we have a decent SoC flag again. Yes,
the
I forgot to mention that not only is WVGA (800 x 480) the resolution
of Nokia's N800 series internet tablets but also the Asus Eee PC
(original), which is a tiny laptop for web browsing and has surprised
the world by selling so well.
Drool over this engadget post from 2006 about a 2.9 inch WVGA
2008/6/5 steffen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass
Production (that means running the SMT line without stopping to
check stuff every two seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
hmm...so where is GNU/Hurd? ... :D
Ask RMS, but it appears that
Hi all,
According to previous mail in community list, there is a perl version of
AGPS on-line implementation. But it requires to install many packages.
The following is the C implementation.
http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/
Here is a brief script to run this application:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello community,
may I add that I have the debug board now in my shop:
http://www.pulster.de/engl/
index.html?d__omdebug__Openmoko_Debug_Board_Version_v3747.htm
It's version 3 belonging to GTA02 Freerunner...
EUR
steffen wrote:
The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass
Production (that means running the SMT line without stopping to
check stuff every two seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
hmm...so where is GNU/Hurd? ... :D
As far as I know GNU/Hurd will be released as a
Matt, that's great, thanks, will compile now.
I've just emailed u-blox support requesting a username and password;
hopefully I'll be able to test this soon enough (just need to find a
reasonable way of getting GPRS to work now...)
Cheers,
Joseph
On 06/06/2008, matt_hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joseph
That's what I, as an archaeologist, want D-GPS for :)
gpsd has a mode where it listens to both the gps and an online dgps
source and produces corrected output. See the manpage for gpsd. I
think you have to have the unit online continuously.
--
Brad
On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:38:46 Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
Can the revised case for GTA03 *please* be designed
to hold a stylus?
+1
Just having one does not mean OM has to use it. Frankly, I'm not really
convinced by the whole finger keyboard stuff.
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On Friday 06 June 2008 13:11:32 Justyn Butler wrote:
To touch on Gabriel's comment, WVGA would be the same resolution as
the Nokia N800 series but in a more compact screen.
With that resolution perhaps the GTA03 would start tapping into other
unexpected markets - for example some of the
I still think that the Cowon iAudio D2 has the best solution:
guitar-pick-like stylus, attached by a short cord at a loop in the housing.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 06 June 2008 00:34, Feydreva wrote:
a stylus is a another thing to loose...
I register myself on the NY list, and we will see what happens when we get
the final count and the moko is out :)
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Gilbert Hartmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sounds like a good plan to me
Paul Buede wrote:
Count me in.
Feydreva wrote:
It seems we will
Hi,
I don't think that is an error: also if Openmoko sell it at 99$, it must
to arrive in europe, than you must to add VAT (20% ?) that you have to
add environmental taxes, and to add warranty (1 year at least).
So is very possible it cost so. And in every case it cost less that all
the debug
lol
@steve : thx for the good news
André Gaul schrieb:
steffen wrote:
The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass
Production (that means running the SMT line without stopping to
check stuff every two seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
hmm...so where is
On 6/6/08, NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
change the
output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga
screen
when we won't use it. also
On 6/6/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ilja O. wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello community,
may I add that I have the debug board now in my shop:
http://www.pulster.de/engl/
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:08:41 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Carsten,
There is any posibility to change the screen resolution without reboot?
If we can do so we can dinamically change it to got the best of two worlds, a
high resolution for almost statical screens
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:54:34 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Carsten,
What app/situation you have in mind when you affirm than nobody can detect a
the difference at half resolution? I have in mind a web browser a half
resolution means double the scroll bars, I
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:17:40 +0530 rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:07 PM, NeoSleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, if the freerunner did not have VGA screen but QVGA, I would not
buy it !
But the freerunner does have a VGA screen and as per
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:16:15 +1000 (EST) NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
change the
output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:17:46 +0100 Justyn Butler justynbutler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
I forgot to mention that not only is WVGA (800 x 480) the resolution
of Nokia's N800 series internet tablets but also the Asus Eee PC
(original), which is a tiny laptop for web browsing and has surprised
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:08:17 +0200 Jens Fursund [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
So it actually slower? Why can that be?
i can go into details... but basically - glamo. the bus bandwidth. :/
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:40:01 +0530 Rahul Joshi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:34:30 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Am 06.06.2008 um 09:45 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman):
Yes, slowness is the most critical complaint. But how should I
convince anyone
to buy an OM if I also have a QVGA device which feels fast
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:15:10 +0200 Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Friday 06 June 2008 09:45:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is - if you have a nice screen but the engine to power it is
underpowered, you will suffer from complaints of it just being slow then
instead.
I'd
On 6/6/08, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 06 June 2008 09:45:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is - if you have a nice screen but the engine to power it is
underpowered, you will suffer from complaints of it just being slow then
instead.
I'd like to wave the little
Ian Stephen ian at tradeswest.ca wrote Sun Jun 1 05:54:23 CEST 2008
On May 31, 2008, Mike wrote:
If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery
life, any suggestions?
I've got a Nokia N800. Much less expensive than the N810, but 810 has some
things 800 doesn't.
Battery
Hi,
I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing:
- life long warranty
- free shipping worldwide
You can find more info on http://www.zagg.com/
If you search the internet it seems almost nobody regrets having bought one.
Are there other persons interested in buying one?
(I
Hi all,
According to previous mail in community list, there is a perl version of
AGPS on-line implementation. But it requires to install many packages.
The following is the C implementation.
Could you give me a pointer to the message or a link to the perl one. I
did not find neither the
Hi,
(I try to cut out some citations).
this is my dilemma. win with dpi and sharpness, but then lose in
smoothness/speed. i lean a bit to- smoothness myself, but i want to
hear the
peanut gallery so to speak :) (please don't take offence! i'm
seriously about
listening that's why i ask!)
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
note - qvga really does look blocky on the 2.8 vga
It's looking blocky starting at 2...
Take a look at the newer Nokia phones (E- and N-Series), and you'll even
notice it on _pictures_ of their
How about keeping VGA, and making the screen bigger then 2.8?
Just an idea,
Federico
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:16:15 +1000 (EST) NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
On 6/6/08, NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just
change the
output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:05 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So it actually slower? Why can that be?
i can go into details... but basically - glamo. the bus bandwidth. :/
Hmm, so we have product here which limits itself to be run at a speed only
at which it would
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:02:14 -0400 Steven Milburn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
This question is probably just because I misunderstood something you said
before, but I'll ask anyway :)
If it is acceptable to use QVGA, couldn't that basically be done
On 06/06/08 03:49:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
at vga.. forget mame and games - they will be doing fullscreen
updates. at vga... no chance (of any decent framerate). if you don't
believe me... try it when you get
Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
but as i said - i'm just looking to see what people think. and why.
i'm very interested in why. why is a vga screen so important? can
you REALLY see all the pixels? can you REALLY read an 8-point font on
that screen at that size? (be honest!). from
On Friday 06 June 2008 18:21:07 Rahul Joshi wrote:
I cannot really argue now that you say you have both and see it upfront :(
It would be really nice if you can briefly educate as to why this is
happening. The question is: What is making it 'not possible' to use the
extra CPU speed in 02. Is
Samsung also seems to have no more ((partially) useful) docs about the s3c
series online.
Why not switch to freescale, and get solid arm11 SoCs with more power then
even the samsung pedants and million times used in smartphones of all
vendors? They even have hundreds of sites in documents freely
COOL
I want one on my neo :D
Alexander Frøyseth
Yorick Matthys skrev:
Hi,
I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing:
- life long warranty
- free shipping worldwide
You can find more info on http://www.zagg.com/
If you search the internet it seems almost nobody regrets having
i'm asking the question if going down to a (relatively) low resolution screen
would be an ok compromise.
I would not be remotely as interested in a device which is not, at
least, VGA. As another person mentioned qvga is too small to do any type
of web browsing effectively. I currently use
Am Fr 6. Juni 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen:
When it comes to GTA03, I will not buy one (because I buy the GTA02),
so I will not be the target. Maybe QVGA is a good solution, or maybe it
should be an option when you buy
If I got that right, we just need to tune some of the
I've used them on other devices. Very durable, and easy to install if you're
careful.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Yorick Matthys [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing:
- life long warranty
- free shipping worldwide
You can find more
Hi,
On Friday, 6. June 2008, Yorick Matthys wrote:
Hi,
I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing:
- life long warranty
- free shipping worldwide
Looks like scratch protection. :) But yet another $25 to think about. Okay, I
order one for my FreeRunner.
You can find more
I couldn't find predefined protector[s] for neo (not really a surprise,
really).
So, how to obtain one of these for Freerunner? We have CAD files, so I don't
see problems with measuring case or screen.
What should I (or we) do to obtain screen protector (or better -- full body
one)?
It's way better than a triple Lindy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FUxUiMyt70feature=related
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Ya.
You and me both.
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Hi,
On Thursday, 5. June 2008, steve
I'm trying to get the fremont thing figured out. It isnt Frys. It's a
wharehouse. So I will
Be asking a very patient and very very nice person to do me favor. You're
lucky, I'm charming, so we have a shot
At getting it done.
Ship date will depend on when I get a slot. We passed preMP. That means
The question may have been beaten to death but the answers surely haven't
been satisfactory. (except for this and Rasterman's.)
The only conclusion one can derives from all previous posts is:-
1. Everybody needs a VGA
2. VGA wont perform as smooth as it should on this CPU
3. We should have faster
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:18:43 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Hi,
(I try to cut out some citations).
this is my dilemma. win with dpi and sharpness, but then lose in
smoothness/speed. i lean a bit to- smoothness myself, but i want to
hear the
peanut gallery
On 6/6/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stroller you crack me up. (vi rules.)
We need a religious war between the Digitii, the Stylii, and Quertii.
Or three products?
Rant away. Your views are always welcome.
Stylus:) I hate those big keypads and I need to use the terminal a lot
Aren't we getting the videos of the device crash tests ?
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I see the whole 'stylus holder' as a simple manufacturing choice.
Just like we choose the Freerunner based on 850/1800/1900 frequencies or
900/1800/1900 frequencies, having a choice of I want a case with a
stylus holder or not, could be a simple case choice when ordering.
So design a case with
If I beg and plead, would you post these on youtube or some such thing? :-)
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Mohamed Hazem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aren't we getting the videos of the device crash tests ?
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On 6/5/08, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer
pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if
Just give thanks that the GTA01 and 02 cases have a hole in them.
It is better to tie the stylus to the phone than have to remember
to always park it rather than put it down.
And with good resolution you can make really good use of the screen and
stylus if you dont make everything on the screen
On 6 Jun 2008, at 23:19, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
...
Let's reverse the question - would you reduce the resolution of your
desktop system?
What do you currently have? 1024*1280 or more?
You can still do everything like writing software, e-mail, web
browsing, gaming.
Probably
When printer technology went from dot-matrix to laser-print (and later,
ink-jet) there was a substantial qualitative difference in the visual
appearance and quality of the output. One of the most attractive features
of the Neo, for me, is the corresponding jump in display resolution. I've
been
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 03:36:10 +0530 Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
The question may have been beaten to death but the answers surely haven't
been satisfactory. (except for this and Rasterman's.)
The only conclusion one can derives from all previous posts is:-
1. Everybody needs a VGA
*In theory*, a manufacturer could make replacement, er... *upgrade*, cases,
built to take some off the shelf stylus such as those found in some other
device, like a Palm for instance.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I see the whole 'stylus holder' as a
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 01:30:43 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On 6 Jun 2008, at 23:19, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
...
Let's reverse the question - would you reduce the resolution of your
desktop system?
What do you currently have? 1024*1280 or more?
You can still
Hello Esben Stien
Although I had a look at sphinx but at this moment I am not very sure that
how much will i reuse it since with their very little documentation, the
source code is not so comprehensible. However, I am trying to get a hand on
it and use its libraries wherever possible.
On Fri,
it will be better - of course. what' i'm baffled about is why all of a
sudden
here a lot of excellent vision gifted people turn up, whereas in real
life i
never see them... :)
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Its just that the excellent vision gifted people are
Hello
I exactly didn't get your point. Do you want to say about the final
application interface or something else.
Thanks...
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So wouldn't it be a main problem if we change the main applications like
the Dialer, the contacts
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