Re: Why not use votation system?

2008-06-13 Thread Michele Renda
Hi Di didn't say that decisions must to be taken in democratic way. I said only that OM can, from time to time, and only when he need, to open a votation on: We must to do something how you prefer? 1. In way A 2. In way B 3. I don't matter 4. In way A and in way B Than, in the end, OM is not

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 12 June 2008 17:37, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: We went over this right around the same time last year. The general consensus was that forums are the devil, mailing lists are good and anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete moron. Oh and prepare to get torn a new one for

Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently

2008-06-13 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Dave O'Connor wrote: see the look on his face when cops walk up to him :) For this reason I look forward to the GTA03's proposed camera. -- Asheesh. -- Think honk if you're a telepath. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Why not use foru

2008-06-13 Thread arne anka
Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :) do you store everry mail? as somebody said, the signal/noise-ratio here is rather bad (and i know, this thread is adding to it), take the iphone-prices and -plans

Re: Why not use forum

2008-06-13 Thread arne anka
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:46:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 June 2008 00:55:34 arne anka wrote: No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of them, periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly. well, i've seen a forum

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Jose Luis Perez Diez
El Thursday, 12 de June de 2008 21:41:29 Crane, Matthew va escriure: No kidding, this list is effectively a forum and the discussions would fit nicely on a forum site. Masybe Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. My mail system does those more

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Hi Raster, Your are not wrong at all about resolutions maths and bus bottlenecks, I have learned a lot from your posts , and I'm very thankful for you effort to communicate this to us. Nevertheless I think you were wrong about the pessimistic approach, no decent video from sd . You have never

Re: Why not use foru

2008-06-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:21:48 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :) do you store everry mail? as a matter of fact, i do. 5:11PM ~/.mail-archive du

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:37:39 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi Raster, Your are not wrong at all about resolutions maths and bus bottlenecks, I have learned a lot from your posts , and I'm very thankful for you effort to communicate this to us. Nevertheless

Re: debug board price change to 99 eur

2008-06-13 Thread Ilja O.
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Re: Why not use forum

2008-06-13 Thread Hugo Mills
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 09:21:46AM +0200, arne anka wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:46:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also i do not know if rss has thread processing ? i don't think so, but considering how many mails are out-of-thread (i see a lot of them, when i switch to thread

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread AVee
On Thursday 12 June 2008 17:30, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable

Re: Why not use foru

2008-06-13 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
Friday 13 June 2008 arne anka wrote: Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :) do you store everry mail? Nah... GMail does that for you ;) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Jano
Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable and I can see no advatages of

RE: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Crane, Matthew
Sure it does. And maybe we can start emailing around DVD images just to make sure we're wasting as much bandwidth as possible. Matt -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:00 PM To: List for Openmoko

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Ewan Marshall
Lally Singh wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pawel Kowalak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-06-12, at 17:30, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread Peter Nijs
Op Friday 13 June 2008 11:04:13 schreef Carsten Haitzler: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:37:39 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi Raster, Your are not wrong at all about resolutions maths and bus bottlenecks, I have learned a lot from your posts , and I'm very

Re: debug board price change to 99 eur

2008-06-13 Thread Michele Renda
Thank you for your price review. I hope it will help people to activelly join on FR debug and implemention. Thank you Michele Renda Christoph Pulster wrote: Hello, Thanks to your response I deceide to sell the debug board v3 (belonging to GTA02) for 99 EUR now. This price tag should help

Re: [OT] combined forum and mailinglist (Re: Why not use forum?)

2008-06-13 Thread Ortwin Regel
We also came upon this idea a year ago. There are a few problems with it. Mail gets sent once. The advantage of a forum is that you can edit, merge, move and delete things. Ortwin On 6/13/08, Arnout Engelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 02:48:27PM -0400, Kevin Dean wrote:

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread Chris Wright
2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:40:08 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 10 Jun 2008, at 02:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: browsing full web pages scrammed into a 2.8 screen as many have suggested, is really...

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 13 June 2008 13:07, Crane, Matthew wrote: Sure it does. And maybe we can start emailing around DVD images just to make sure we're wasting as much bandwidth as possible. Matt -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-13 Thread thomasg
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the battery issue is due to one main concept, the difference between air interfaces: Time Division Duplex, or Code Division Duplex. GSM/TDMA uses timeslots, vs CDMA/UMTS using a special code to spread its

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread enaut
True...someone mentioned a month view for a calendar with a meaningful amount of content as a use case for a higher resolution screen, but on a three-inch display, you're not getting any significant amount of data across without a magnifying glass. I'm feeling reminded of those creditcard

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Burdette
Ok, this is pointless! But I'll participate anyway: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008 23:33:37 Ben Burdette wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc.

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread Chris Wright
2008/6/13 enaut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm feeling reminded of those creditcard sized poket calendars we have in germany. on those you have got the calendar information of a whole year + the Information of hollidays and other special days. land everything is readable and pretty clear to read. so

QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread Ken Young
Chris Write wrote: Using a terminal emulator would be far more pleasant with the higher resolution screen, but you're not going to get an 80x25 window in there; with a 640x480 display plus an on-screen keyboard, you're going to have either an 80x30 or so window in portrait mode and an

Re: Why not use votation system?

2008-06-13 Thread Chris Wright
2008/6/12 Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michele Do you want feature X or feature Y? you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people

Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?

2008-06-13 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually UMTS devices are capable of a very fine scaling in small steps between -50 dBm and 21(24) dBm. As far as I know the usual transmitting power in a good covered areas is about 0 dBm. Remember that every 3dBm is 2x power

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread wim . delvaux
But I still don't understand why groups choose mailing lists over newsgroups. Weren't newsgroups designed with this kind of thing in mind? By default you just download the headers without having to get the text of every message, you can subscribe and unsubscribe from them without impacting

Why not use newsgroup?

2008-06-13 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:30:02 +0200, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I still don't understand why groups choose mailing lists over newsgroups. Usenet was an almost 30 years old attempt at implementing what's currently solved by mailing lists, subject to those days' technological

OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Stroller
Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software chief has claimed. Speaking at the Handsets World conference in Berlin on Tuesday, Dr Ari Jaaksi told delegates that the open-source community needed

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Le vendredi 13 juin 2008 à 17:04 +0800, Carsten Haitzler a écrit : [...initial parts deleted for brevity...] no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!. there is reality - and you

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Burdette
What hasn't been entirely clear to me in this discussion is whether, with the current VGA screen, we are able to enter a QVGA mode and run as quickly as with a true QVGA screen. If that is the case, then why not use the QVGA for some things, like application selection, the phone dialer, or

RE: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Crane, Matthew
That's debatable. If the average user reads a small set of messages. If the forum is easily cached by a browser. If the mail readers use gmail or similar and already download ads everytime they view a messsage. But yea the dvd comment was kind of stupid. Matt -Original Message-

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Fr 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Chris Wright: Since the alternative to using QVGA is using VGA with a faster GPU and processor, One last time: ...OR USING VGA IN QVGA MODE WITH SAME PROCESSOR, AND SWITCH TO VGA WHENEVER YOU NEED THIS RESOLUTION. It's all about nothing else than just saving some

Re: Why not use foru

2008-06-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Fr 13. Juni 2008 schrieb arne anka: Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective notifications. you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :) do you store everry mail? No, kmail does (since I managed to do pop3-alike msg-retrieving over imap. IMAP SUCKS)

Re: Why not use forum?

2008-06-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Fr 13. Juni 2008 schrieb AVee: On Thursday 12 June 2008 17:30, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community? It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the topics you want and etc. The main Personally I don't like

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 13 June 2008 19:47, Stroller wrote: Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software chief has claimed. Speaking at the Handsets World conference in Berlin on Tuesday, Dr Ari Jaaksi

Re: Why not use newsgroup?

2008-06-13 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Alexey Feldgendler: By default you just download the headers without having to get the text of every message, You can do that with IMAP, which is the modern protocol for accessing your mail. You can receive only the headers on the IMAP server??? We're

moko running everything as root

2008-06-13 Thread Robert Taylor
Peter Nijs wrote: no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of time and get 1 case to work, and work well. as i said -

Re: Why not use foru

2008-06-13 Thread arne anka
should have gone to the list in the first place ... You're DELETING mails? Fella, get you a decent harddisk! Not worth the electric energy and keyboard wear. easy on the reins! i am no company -- no need to store every mail. 80-90% percent are worthless either after reading or a few days

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

2008-06-13 Thread David Samblas Martinez
+1 to Joerg, but don't worry a lot of this speculation garbage about Freerunner or succesors capabilities and what have to do and what not will die onces the freerunner is aviable and used by a miriad of volunters. Maybe will be another kind of speculation garbage but not this one :). The idea

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Michael T. Dean
On 06/13/2008 02:47 PM, Stroller wrote: Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software chief has claimed. ... Full article:

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-13 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/13/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Nijs wrote: no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-13 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 6/12/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size, why not just buy an eeepc? As the resident

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
Friday 13 June 2008 Andy Powell wrote: Why do we need closed vehicles? We do, he said. Some of these things harm the industry but they're here [as things stand]. Thanks for posting this. It has just highlighted how Nokia really still just don't get it. A lot of people look for the

OEM market,any thoughts about that??

2008-06-13 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Only babbling wating to the Neo to come out ;) I work on a PLC manufacturer (well the corp. do a lot of other products but PLC are my little puppet) so I was thinking about the openness of this architecture, the need for processing power and flexibility of engineers making production

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael T. Dean wrote: On 06/13/2008 02:47 PM, Stroller wrote: Open-source developers targeting the mobile space need to learn business rules including digital rights management, Nokia's software chief has claimed. ... Full article:

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

2008-06-13 Thread Kevin Dean
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering English is not his native language... I am sure something did not come through as he intended. I think what he means is this: Businesses are not yet ready to fully embrace open source as the community see's

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Sa 14. Juni 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen: On 6/13/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Nijs wrote: no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!.

Re: Why not use newsgroup?

2008-06-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Fr 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Martin Bernreuther: Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Alexey Feldgendler: By default you just download the headers without having to get the text of every message, You can do that with IMAP, which is the modern protocol for accessing your mail. You

Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??

2008-06-13 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
I thought about similar things some time ago. This device makes for a nice embedded controller for industries etc. For sure it will be no big problem to sell without housing, and save a few bucks per device. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-13 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi. On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 01:16 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 6/12/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:56:03 +0200 Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I'm still confused about the clame somebody made he had sent a 320x240 mpeg4 stream to the glamo and got 21fps when the data came from internal flash while the same stream from sd gave 19 fps. my comprehension. I assume

Re: Acceleration in our pockets

2008-06-13 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:05:16 +0200 Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Le vendredi 13 juin 2008 à 17:04 +0800, Carsten Haitzler a écrit : [...initial parts deleted for brevity...] no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking

Re: moko running everything as root

2008-06-13 Thread Kevin Dean
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My opinion is averse. There's no valid reason to abandon the very simple concept of users, groups, and permissions, just to have an easy start on development (fixing apps later on is a PITA). If you don't care from