On Monday 19 November 2007 19:01:14 Mark wrote:
My interest in the Neo from the the beginning has been the possibility
of running Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice on it. All I would need
Are you really-really sure you want to run those exact applications on an
embedded device with 128MB RAM
On Friday 16 November 2007 13:29:50 hank williams wrote:
Though I do know many in th open source community feel this way. I don't
know if this was just a slip or if it reflected your real opinions, but if
open is evil, then most every product, device, computer, phone, chip, etc
that we use is
On Friday 09 November 2007 15:00:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
development. However, why would they go to all the trouble of porting
Linux to a new SoC when there are many other already supported SoCs they
could have used to develop on? I think this could be evidence that
Google IS developing
On Friday 09 November 2007 17:43:25 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia piątek, 9 listopada 2007, Attila Csipa napisał:
I wouldn't be surprised if Google made a prototype/reference phone, for
testing (just like Trolltech did with the Greenphone) and to eliminate
any hardware obstacles/delays
On Monday 05 November 2007 22:16:03 Jeffrey Thomas wrote:
Why did you pick the Apache v2 open source license?
Correct, its a developer-friendly licenses, as they put it. I prefer the
GPL because its a USER-friendly license.
Let's not forget the group of users who were pretty vocal of the
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 13:42:24 you wrote:
the problem is - if we DIDNT have full freedom (i disagree - license like
GPL forcing you to GPL your app because it uses a public published API are
not free. they are just someone else's idea of freedom. mine is that i can
license my app freely
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:32:46 Dani Anon wrote:
I thing gp is right, c might be better than c++ for small devices and
certainly you need to code in c++ to take advantage of qtopia
components.
If we lived through Java on mobile devices (which actually is quite virile
even today), and
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 20:36:53 Lorn Potter wrote:
Yep, but there's this undeniable fact that having 0 entry cost invites
a whole new class of developers that you wouldn't have otherwise. I
think we could perfectly choose QTopia and just handicap commercial
developers, either of the
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 18:00:51 Giles Jones wrote:
Typically the argument for QT is ease of programming, there's a good IDE
called KDevelop. GTK's argument typically is that it's GPL and faster.
Except Qt nowadays actually is GPL (GTK+ being only LGPL), to be more
precise :)
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least.
This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;)
Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ?
it). I don't think the
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 17:51:23 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very
least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it
Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ?
Look around, there's TT
On Sunday 26 August 2007 16:32, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
Largely because you don't get any useable open source licensed GPL maps.
The GPL has no real meaning in map terms since it does not have the
source/binary relation an application has - unless of course you mean GPL =
download for free,
On Monday 27 August 2007 15:38, Giles Jones wrote:
I'm in Europe and the greenphone is about twice the cost. You have to
add in the price of the SDK and licences too. It's a really
unimpressive deal.
Again, if you're a business and developing commercial software, the cost of a
SDK means
On Monday 27 August 2007 17:24, Giles Jones wrote:
It means a heck of a lot if you can't earn back the outlay. Mobile
If you _can_ earn it back directly through selling proprietary software for
it, OpenMoko is a mockery of the GPL. In that case you are not creating a
truly free platform, but a
On Monday 27 August 2007 15:32, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
No it's more like MS telling Intel to port Windows to the new processor for
them. You want to sell something on a platform? Well if nobody wants to
port it there, you should do it yourself or don't do it, but then you don't
get to bug
On Saturday 25 August 2007 23:10:48 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
commercial Qtopia Phone or wrote whole phone subsystem from scratch as
there is no phone functionality in Qtopia4/GPL.
Ahem, they DID write the phone subsystem from scratch anyway AFAIK :) I'm a
bit surprised that nobody mentioned
On Friday 24 August 2007 16:59, wim delvaux wrote:
Perhaps with a different style or something but at least QTopia has been
around for quite a few years, sporting a nice portfolio of apps, having a
nice ,portable and powerfull GUI library.
I know that the software is not fully GPL and FREE but
On Friday 24 August 2007 21:29:15 John Seghers wrote:
Be careful that you look at exactly what is covered under that GPL
licensing. In order to gain access to the phone stack for the Greenphone
(a must for my purposes) you have to pay them almost $5K for a commercial
license.
A valid point
On Friday 24 August 2007 18:59:23 Jeremy G wrote:
I'm not sure just how open the Trolltech software is, but is the OS
open enough to port GTK/Gnome over to the Greenphone? Just curious.
The OS is Linux, you get a framebuffer and glibc, I see no problem there
(sources available), with a slight
On Friday 24 August 2007 23:08:59 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
doesn't contain any actual applications. Qtopia Platform is a set of
applications built on Qtopia Core, which are not all licenced under the
GPL. Looking at the Trolltech website, there is Qtopia Open Source
Edition however, which is a
On Saturday 25 August 2007 00:07:30 Tilman Baumann wrote:
The limitation is that you have to use it. If you like it or not.
Or in other words, you don't code for the project unless you are a QT
nerd.
? Don't really see a difference with regard to GTK+ here - while you may
prefer one of the
On Monday 13 August 2007 22:22:24 Joe Friedrichsen wrote:
It has more than a handful of similarities with the Neo (ARM9,
touchscreen, USB, JTAG, but no GSM or GPS), and may help scratch some
itches for new ideas and toys that have been floating on the list for
It's more of a PDA spec, if you
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 17:38, Giles Jones wrote:
Moblin, a mobile Linux project started by Intel.
While it's tied to their hardware it still may have useful code at some
point.
FWICS it's a x86 only project for now, it's much closer from all aspects to a
desktop than to a smartphone.
On Monday 09 July 2007 09:36, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
What I find odd is that nobody considers that some users would WILLINGLY
have/watch ads on their phone, depending on their plan, in exchange for
better rates, rewards, whatever. You don't have to eliminate the ads, you
can also eliminate
On Monday 09 July 2007 11:39, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
Looks like shipping from within the EU (as promised) didn't happen yet.
Will it be in place by October?
I ot an earlier reply that indicated local distribution will be probably
available from phase 2 (which would be october if on schedule).
On Sunday 08 July 2007 11:47:58 Mikko Rauhala wrote:
In short, yes, this is evil, but considering the open nature of the
phone, I doubt many marketing people would pay a lot for their ads on
this sort of a platform.
What I find odd is that nobody considers that some users would WILLINGLY
On Sunday 08 July 2007 22:21:56 Eric van Horssen wrote:
Shipping the normal edition to the Netherlands:
WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED $71.85 USD $371.85 USD
Apparently Europe is pretty bad regarding shipping costs. Most EU countries
seem to be 70-100$ for the basic edition, and even compared to
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 10:31, Jonas Meyer wrote:
Disadvantages:
You forgot the most important disadvantage: bulk. It's not uncommon in modern
devices for the connectors (especially if they need to be good for thousands
of insertions) to be a major problem in layout design because of the space
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 16:43, Florent THIERY wrote:
over http tunnel or wifi/bluetooth direct home connection) on an
NSLU2/WL-500G like companion device.
Apropos NSLU2, some time ago I made a couple of industrial-style data
collecting NSLU2-s which have usb Wifi and/or a GM862 gsm/gprs module
On Monday 02 July 2007 10:16, you wrote:
This usually adds *** at least 10% ***.
Therefore I would even prepare for 499 EUR and we all can be happy if
it is less and not more.
Not sure how much of the named costs the distributor actually needs to do (I
don't think he will have support on all
Starting July 9th, we will launch openmoko.com and start taking orders.
There was talk about an European distributor. Will that be a coordinated
effort and start taking orders on that day too ? Also, it would be good to
get a confirmation on the Euro prices ( = USD+taxes/duties/shipping/etc)
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was
effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays,
And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the
phone and eventually you find another
On Sunday 10 June 2007 22:50, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
And IMHO there is only a very weak relation between a processor's
instruction set and its power consumption.
Not direct, but several strong points can arise from using a specific
instruction set (presuming compatibility is one of
On Sunday 03 June 2007 19:47, kenneth marken wrote:
3dacceleration? That means 3D desktop can be done now? Or what should
we think of that?
My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video
reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just
On Monday 04 June 2007 11:03, Florent THIERY wrote:
My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video
reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just
bonus/eyecandy material.
I do not agree with you: the neo currently struggles with 2D
On Monday 04 June 2007 12:48, Frank Coenen wrote:
H264 will probably not work. If you look at the website:
http://www.smediatech.com/product3370.htm
The chip used by the GTA_02 will probably be the 3362-version. That
supports VGA displays, but does not support H264.
At least it lists MPEG4,
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 19:52:20 Crane, Matthew wrote:
For a viable commercial product I would expect the CPU to be first of all
the cheapest one that meets the minimal horsepower requirements, and
obviously other considerations, such as power consumption.
From the page, the newly suggested SoC
On Friday 25 May 2007 13:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
The software seems a lot worse than the hardware at the moment. Every
reaction to user input is slow. The GUI is quite pretty but the speed is
worrysome. What CPU is going to be in the upcoming faster version?
I would not be surprised to hear
On Monday 14 May 2007 10:57, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Does anyone know how much work it will be to get the USB host working? I
will need it to drive a webcam for one of my projects.
Will this be possible?
I had the idea of perhaps hooking up car mounted webcam(s) to the Neo to use
for
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 18:46:03 Ian Stirling wrote:
I really think you do.
I want to be able to give this phone to my (hypothetical) employees.
I do not want skilled lazy, employees able to - for example - edit their
GPS logs which corroberate the inspections they are required to do.
This
On Friday 04 May 2007 06:09, Hans L wrote:
out. AFAIK Stereo sound works best when the sources are far apart,
but in this case they are essentially coming from the same point in
space.
IMBWOTO, but the idea of small stereo devices is that the two speakers emit
sound in different directions,
On Friday 20 April 2007 09:16, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
I would suspect: size, matching interfaces, availability, cost of
additional components?
When I worked on similar things, cost and updates were the two main reasons.
Sizewise often there wasn't such a big difference, cost was very
On Friday 23 March 2007 14:31, Alan Ide wrote:
generate 40-50khz tones through the sound out port (head phone jack)? If
not, what is the max Freq range it can produce? Thank you.
Is that the frequency of the tones or the sampling rate ? The codec in the neo
has a 48kHz max sampling rate which
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 17:10, Mike wrote:
I had thought this would be like other third party electronics- like
third party phone chargers for example- which do specify (and guarantee)
what they'll work with. I guess not.
Metaphorically speaking, you're looking at the wrong end of the
On Friday 09 March 2007 09:58, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote:
To get *any* GPS reading device must see 3 satellites but you cannot be
Actually, for a single location fix, you need four. With 3 sources you can
still have 2 spots on the surface of the Earth that can match up (some GPS
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:34, Ian Stirling wrote:
As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev
board
Could we get a photo of the dev board (or perhaps a pointer to the
appropriate page, I couldn't find anything substantial in the wiki about
On Monday 05 March 2007 07:01, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev
board
connecting thru the JTAG interface of the phone. You would purchace
your
phone seperatly.
Someone please correct me if I missunderstand.
This is
On Monday 05 March 2007 16:17, Ian Stirling wrote:
Unfortunately, I suspect a 'say GPS coordinates' button on the 911
screen may be the most compatible way.
Not sure if coordinates are going to help you much, a 'closest' real-life
address might be more helpful, but it's a question just how
On Thursday 01 March 2007 08:41, you wrote:
later someone will write a Troyan Horse, some king of dialer (like for
application made calls and sent smses. Openmoko kernel should log any
What do you think?
There are two sides to this problem - one, the origin of software. This has
actually
On Thursday 01 March 2007 14:20, Christian T. wrote:
Attila Csipa wrote:
Only if the thief actually sets up SMS (if his SIM is of a different
provider, the service center likely needs to be changed).
I have one unlocked phone and I'm changing between two SIMs (different
providers
A lot of ideas have been written on anti theft protection, but much of it from
a geek/user's standpoint, and almost completely forgetting the possible
ramifications of the suggested techniques. First of all, none of the
techniques presented PROTECT your phone from being stolen (they fall more
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 21:29, kkr wrote:
out that it is sending expensive foreign/roaming SMS-es because the
previous owner 'forgot' to turn off a silent alarm/anti theft application
Is the same for car alarm... When you sold something, you do have to do
the necessary action (in
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 21:44, Steven ** wrote:
Caveat emptor. Possession of stolen property is still a crime where I
live, even if you didn't do the actual stealing.
All I'm saying (IANAL of course) that for many of those items (especially on
places like ebay) it is very hard for the
On Saturday 20 January 2007 10:19, Marc Verwerft wrote:
You want one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ ?
I tried one of those, five stars for coolness, one star for usability,
especially for our EMACS friend, it's not exactly meant for heavy typers.
You're likely better
On Thursday 18 January 2007 10:01, Renaissance Man wrote:
Truphone. You can take their software package, put it on the cheapest
supported WiFi/GSM enabled phone you can get and then you have a
phone that seamlessly swaps between WiFi and GSM with one phone number.
Just out of curiosity, did
On Thursday 18 January 2007 12:33, Renaissance Man wrote:
All your arguments against WiFi on the Neo seem a little moot, as
You got me all wrong. I'm not against WiFi anywhere, I just don't think VoIP
over Wifi in phones is 'the revolution'. It is good way to share data and an
awkward way to
On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:59, Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
It's basically trivial. You get one number, that rings on different
numbers. It rings once on the sipphone, and once on the GSM part.
If the phone is clever, it will prefer to make the connection via sip.
Ah, I thought we were talking
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:17, Renaissance Man wrote:
Anything that allows me to go from spending £45 plus a month on
mobile communications to effectively zero, including talking to my
parents who live on the other side of the planet, is revolutionary.
Don't forget that carriers have
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:59, Renaissance Man wrote:
you seem to have worse autonomy
No, because you'll still have GSM, and WiFi actually ensures the
carriers lose control over you.
Bad wording, was referring to power outlet independance.
worse coverage
No, you'll have better
On Friday 12 January 2007 10:14, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product
for the OpenMoko?
I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price
range.
Some might find this too philosophical, but nonetheless, a rant. Not
On Friday 12 January 2007 03:12, you wrote:
installed or otherwise connected to or in communication with vehicles,
capable of vehicle navigation, positioning, dispatch, real time route
guidance, fleet management or similar applications.
...
So whatever you do, do *not* attach your Neo to
On Friday 12 January 2007 14:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
I think the users should have the freedom of choice, including the freedom
to install commercial software, if desired. I'm not asking for this to be
preinstalled on the OpenMoko!
Yes, that's what I'm talking about - you absolutely can and
On Thursday 11 January 2007 02:45, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
wifi-and-keyboard dock-like item. I would imagine that these peripherals
would be almost as popular as the phone, as they would extend its
functionality quite a lot.
We'll be making a few...but since we're using standard USB there
On Thursday 11 January 2007 19:56, Atlasz wrote:
significantly less bulky and likely cheaper than assembling these
components 'by hand'. As somebody mentioned, it could be in a form of
It can be done
and the components are not expensive. But it's not for everybody and
takes some time to
On Friday 12 January 2007 00:00, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
We have this stuff, but I didn't think to use it for the first release of
OpenMoko. The rendering engine is totally closed source, expensive, and the
maps are even more expensive.
If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell
On Friday 12 January 2007 00:15, Paul Bohme wrote:
Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :)
We were chewing this one over at work the other day. If you could pull
a list of waypoints from (say) Google's mapping API, and location data
from the GPS it might be
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 01:05, Dave Crossland wrote:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Thoughts? :-)
For me, price.
Remember that it is a device that will come (at least to Europe) after almost
one more year. Conceptually very similar to the FIC1973, with of course the
added Apple candy and
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Apple Germany has said they use an Intel processor - but on the other
hand, Intel has sold all Xscale and Mobile phone chips to Marvell
last summer... http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9189781557.html
IMBWOTO, not exactly ALL
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