the rules listed for bt headsets
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner
use a filter
BTHeadsetIsConnected()
which seems to me quite unreliable.
where does fso get its ideas from about connected headsets?
- even if i disable bluetooth,
> Does headset with jackout exist as well, would be cool to have a jack
> out on
> the headset for connecting to a HiFi Stereo... :)
amazon recently lists a surprising number of them.
when i tried to buy such a thing a few months ago, it was hard work, to
find one -- finally i got the sonyeric
here's my xorg.conf ...
# Xorg confiugration for an Openmoko FreeRunner
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Touchscreen"
Driver "tslib"
Option "CorePointer" "true"
Option "SendCoreEvents""true"
>> hardly, what with being a bgb company.
>>
>
> Which type of german company is it? GbR?
well, with a name like
"Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann, freesmartphone.org GbR".
it's hard to say ... ;-)
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> No, this seems a mail generated from the versioning system who alerts me
> of a pending commit request not a common spamming message.
???
nothing's easier than spoofing the sent-from. just because it says it is
sent from something-commits does in no way mean, it really is.
> Furthermore my em
> Pending posts:
> From: bluemoko-comm...@projects.openmoko.org on Wed Jul 29 17:47:15 2009
> Subject: Dear bluemoko-comm...@projects.openmoko.org 76% 0FF on Pfizer !
>
> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
so? what part don't you understand?
the usual kind of spamming -- send to each
> Additionally I get Mails from that list with subject:
> � VIAGRA � Official Site
>
to what address do you get that spam?
faking the from-header is widely used -- i get a lot of spam sent
allegedly from my address.
simply ignore it.
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all the best to you guys!
> Congratulations! I hope everything goes well with the company. Is there
> a way
> to make tax deductible donations?
hardly, what with being a bgb company.
but do you guys have a list of tasks with a price tag each?
people could vote for tasks most important and chip
> I don't remember exactly where, but there are folders dedicated to
> contain scripts to execute while suspend/resume (just like init.d).
yes, below /etc/apm/ -- but that requires a running apm, which is quite an
overhead for that simple task.
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> This probably isn't exactly what you're looking for, but...
> I believe /etc/enlightenment/suspend.sh is the file ran to cause the
> suspend. You could modify that. I don't know if there's an
> equivalent for resume.
no enlightment here, so no go.
> That suspend script uses FSO. And it seems
>> Except for charging while it is off, but that is a different story XP
>
> i do it ;P
>
> power on
> connect adapter (it wcharges)
> power off
> you go to sleep
tested it yesterday, rather by accident (fso5.5/debian).
since i got autosuspend running, the fr uses to nod off even when on power
> mdbus -s
> org.bluez /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx
> org.bluez.Headset.Connect and the headset is up.
> Thanks - finally I can use it!
>
> A few suspends later - I need to org.bluez.Headset.Connect, but the pid
> has
> changed.
that's why you use
pidof bluetoothd
in
did you add the rules to
/etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml
?
they actually do the loading of the gsmbluetooth.state file -- and
theoretically should do the unloading resp loading of gsmhandset.state,
when no bt headset is connected.
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did some research and found
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/330934
apparently doing
hid2hci -q
indeed brings back the bluetooth dongle after suspend.
the link above mentions some udev rule being somehow involved in this
problem and it being fixed in karmic, but i cant really figure out, w
is there any infrastructure to run scripts upon suspend resp resume?
the only way so far seems to be using apmd -- but that adds considerable
delay to resume ...
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yesterday i finally tried using a bluetooth headset and after somen hassle
(the comparatively expensive headset HBH-DS220 from sonyericsson can only
handle one paired evice at a time, once you get more you have to repair it
every time ... crap; a cheap, in fact free, jawbone PBH-8W can handle
> Well I think it's running alright. You know you need to slide up from
> bottom right corner to pop it up?
no, i didn't -- but, indeed, there it is :-)
nice app!
but that sliding heavily clashes with my way to use the fr -- is there a
possibility to alternatively toggle it by some command?
some recherche indicated, that in /etc/frameworkd.conf
odeviced.powercontrol_*
is related.
after setting
[odeviced.powercontrol_ibm]
disable = 1
[odeviced.powercontrol_neo]
disable = 0
bluetooth appears in ListResources.
- why is bluetooth affected by this but not gsm or display?
- why is the d
what exactly takes it, to run literki?
i installed it to debian (--force-depends because of libfakekeys version
and --force-archiecture because of armel vs armv4t), corrected the path to
the font used and started up, but ...
for a moment two pink rectangles appear, on the lower one a keyboard i
> nodes, which kernel version are you using?
the default debian kernel (ie nothing home brewed),
# uname -a
Linux debian-gta02 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 #1 PREEMPT Tue Mar 3
20:22:28 UTC 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux
> Can you check whether you see any
> bluetooth nodes in /sys/bus/platform/devices?
iirc there's a tool called ffalarm to handle exact that case.
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hi,
while trying to get my bt headset working, i don't get bluetooth enabled.
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.ListResources
/org/freesmartphone/Usage: ListResources ->
dbus.Array([dbus.String(u'CPU'), dbus.String(u'TEST'),
dbus.String(
solved while writing, dbus calls take longer than i had expected.
for details see below.
> Call SetBrightness 0.
been there. done that. no change (well, it seems to stop for a few
seconds, but then it blinks again).
in my autosuspend rule chain i do
trigger: IdleState()
filters: HasAttr(sta
hi,
how do i disable blinking of ab led via mdbus?
neither
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/LED/gta02_power_blue
org.freesmartphone.Device.LED.SetBlinking 0 1500
nor
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/LED/gta02_power_blue
org.f
>> these lists cover the hardware as well as the software.
> Hardware you say? Then what was the purpose of creating this list?
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
the same as with the creation of supp...@om, i guess.
it may seem sensible to create a list for every topic -- but
> But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it.
> Then mails are as deplaced here
no, they won't.
these lists cover the hardware as well as the software.
but prefix the subjects of mails android-specific with [android]
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> This is not due to Google... it's a china problem...
well, i can't remember the chinese government having the motto "don't be
evil" ...
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Xsession: X session started for arne at Sat Jul 18 19:57:49 CEST 2009
libnotify-Message: GetServerInformation call failed: The name
org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files
INFO:root:entering dbusReInit of keyboard
INFO:root:entering dbusReInit of gps
INFO:root:enterin
>> Did you install navit-dev? ... It provides symlinks which navit tries
> i installed navit-dev and now it runs! i can see my actual position
sounds to me like a packaging problem -- a -dev package shouldn't be
necessary to only run a program, shouldn't it?
hi,
just upgraded to fso 5.5 and opp seemed to work as usual.
in a second step i installed fsousaged and disabled ousaged.
after that opp wasn't able to start up properly at boot (confusing lxpanel
heavily).
killing opp and starting it manually after i registered to my provider
went through w/
> Would you please avoid registering your new projects to google code?
+1
you can't do the smalles things w/o having a google account -- not even
contact authors of google code projects, let alone reporting bugs.
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> since i installed 'xserver-xorg-video-glamo' instead 'xserver-xglamo',
> every 2nd (or so) time
> i try to shutdown/reboot i get a WSOD when x11 stops.
> has someone an idea what i should do?
i experience it, too. but i got the slight impression it
> ... dozens of lines deleted ...
> the projects openmoko page has a working version
wow! a one liner as answer but quoting the full 50+ lines before ... did
you ever try to read your own mails on a screen like the fr's or even a
netbook?
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> Rewrite Pidgin's UI to be as finger friendly as possible. That's
> probably all we need. Why reinvent the wheel.
because pidgin is ugly?
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> setting up bt-headset-enabled: 0
where?
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i don't know about the frequencies canadian newtorks use, but if they're
same as in the us, you pretty much could buy either way.
compare prices and maybe delivery time and customs(?), koolu in canada
might be interesting, if you want to try out android, iirc the sell
freerunners with that pr
> I find openmoko, better say freedesktop as a nice project, and even
> openmoko
> name should be avoided. They found a very cheap solution, they sold the
> devices for lot of money, practically they fooled lot of people. I can
> imagine the company manager behind smiling about all the complain e
> I am sure, most of you would just smile... but what about porting WINE to
> support WINCE applications ?
afaik, wince has nothing in common with windows except the manufacturer,
the name and some ideas of gui design.
thus, wine would not help (and there's no arm port in debian anyway, but
in
> Package: libc6
> Version: 2.6.1-r16
> Status: deinstall user installed
> Architecture: armv4t
>
> Package: libc6
> Version: 2.7-18
> Depends: libgcc1
> Suggests: locales, glibc-doc
> Provides: glibc-2.7-1
> Conflicts: libterm-readline-gnu-perl (<< 1.15-2), tzdata (<< 2007k-1),
> tzdata-etch
> Sta
> last question: is there a noise reduction already implemented on fr?
there's an at command to do that, iirc the bug report the gsmhandset.state
file is attached to does mention it.
if i am wrong, search the archives for noise reduction, there has been a
number of mentions.
whether your dist
>> Hm, i was always under the impression that most bike systems use a
>> simple magnet and a reed switch (no need for hall effect sensor) for
>> both cadence and speed measurements. So any sensor from a regular
>> "bike computer" can be directly attached to the mic line of FR.
>
> They do, and they
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:31:22 +0200, Tim Abell wrote:
> opkg install navit-dev
> (installs *lots* of dedpedencies)
of course -- it is a devel package.
to me your symptoms sound like you didn't have a working configuration (ie
navit.xml).
maybe navit-dev simply installed something working?
there's a bunch of distributions out there with different guis.
as long as you don't tell us, what you are using and what exactly you mean
by "slow", there's not much to tell.
always prefix the subject with the name of the distribution liek [android]
or [om2009.x].
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> Since the init.rc goes back to it's original state upon reboot, there is
> nothing to be undone.
sounds a bit suse-like ... maybe you have to enter those changes into a
specific config file/database (using a config tool?) from which android
creates these files upon boot?
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> [r...@localhost sbin]# ./ifconfig
ifconfig -a
shows everything, even inactive interfaces.
additionally, you might check the host's logs when plugging in the fr:
tail -f /var/log/messages
and watch for some meaningful messages.
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why not simply draw a circle with the boat's current position as center
and the given distance (3nm) as radius and then check if the circle
contains part of the coast line? the moment, the circle is empty, you're
out of range.
still no scenario for an usual gps app, but the coast lines shoul
> "cat init.rc" confirms that the changes are there.
> However, after reboot the changes the the DNS section in init.rc
> disappear.
most likely something overwrites them later on.
either one of the init scripts (no clue what kind of init android uses) or
the networking subsystem does that on
any chance you fight that out somewhere else?
the discussions about the prefered posting style (and no, there's no
rule!) is as old as the internet -- and both positions still live and kick.
that can only mean one thing:
for both prefs good reasons exist and no party could ever convince the
ot
> Wifi
> =
> It seems reliable with the WPA2 networks I use it with but I can't
> seem to turn it off in SHR-settings and once I've connected to a network
> I can't reconnect to any network without rebooting. (I
> know there's work going on in the kernel relating to this).
> Workaround: After
i use it for about a year now as sole phone, after some weeks with 2007.X
i installed debian with fso (a kind of distri you forgot to metion, too).
> - The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.
no problem for month now.
> - The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
most if not a
> I thought the SMS messages were stored on the phone instead of the SIM.
depends. most phones i know allowed, to select where to store the messages.
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> that app looks nice, arne. do you or anyone else have an ipk for it?
i don't. but it's in debian. shouldn't be too hard, to convert, i guess.
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> I never need to use suspend on my Nokia 6103b. I do not think it even
> has a
> suspend mode — at least not one the user can activate.
that's the difference.
the nokia is nothing but a phone -- and as such it's mostly suspended (or
"standby").
the fr otoh is a full fledged computer, offeri
> (a) Address Book (Not sure if I can convert to .cvs, but will try this
> week)
afaik, contacts management is not integrated. though, work is going on in
fso to do so.
there are some contacts/task/calendar suites available, osmo for instance.
> (b) eBible program (Genesis to Revelation... KJ
no "," but "%" as separator:
logger.debug ("INCOMING CALLER: %s" % info.get( "peer", "" ))
from what i see.
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> Well, I can't test it again right now, but I'm not sure how I would see
> what
> that prints... I'll fiddle with it more later.
enable logging and look, how debug/error/warning/info messages are
generated -- and make your own.
look into the generated log file and you're good.
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> It would seem that it didn't work. I wonder if it broke because the
> number
> was in my contact list?...
what does
info.get( "peer", "" )
print?
i'd guess it's plainly the caller's number, thus, being in your contacts
list is not relevant.
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> OK, is there any way to fake an incoming call to test this?
use a number you have access to instead (your landline, from your office,
friends) and watch, what happens. if it is ok, change the number to the
correct one.
btw: how come they charge _you_, when you pick up the incoming call?
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> lxde: Depends: lxde-core (>= 0.3.2.1+svn20080509-6) but it is not
> going to be installed
> E: Broken packages
if you append lxde-core to the list of packages to install, another
package will turn up, "not going to be installed" (it would be
- make sure, your lan uses another subnet than 192.168.0.X
- check the output of
netstat -rn
on your host, if a route to the fr exists at all
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> Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts
> a
> few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers.
afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the battery
is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it seems not
always t
>> now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
>> because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
>> jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot
>> options
>> can not be read.
>
>Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply
>> i simply infered it would not work with flash at all. turns out, that
>> was wrong.
> [...]
>> as long you have nothing to contribute in terms of usefull information
>> you can shut up now.
>
> Had you followed your own advice, and shut up when YOU had nothing to
> contribute in terms of u
> but i'm using qi,
> and i have the kernel in the /boot directory on NAND,
> that should work without flashing the kernel...
sorry, to disappoint you -- but we just had that discussion: qi does not
understand jffs2 and nand is jffs2 formatted.
so, when using nand you have to flash it (but you s
> more complicated and lure people into using NAND whereas SD is the
> future.
>
> In the GTA03 design, we would not have used NAND for anything but
> storing Qi and read-only factory data. Likewise, for gta02-core, I
> wouldn't consider using u-boot.
my experience is, that nand is far more relia
> Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?
that's how i understood it.
> My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about
> in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD
> and causing mail congestion.
what exactly
> My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is
> a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions
> for ROOTFS and KERNEL.
that's what i understood and i specifically looked into the wiki, to make
sure i understood right.
still, if /boot/ is not read
> Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
> SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that
> /boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.
how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki
is done by
new navit up at
> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/26
i tweaked the config opts further, adding to the default opts of
debain/rules
CCFLAGS="-march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t" --enable-avoid-float
--disable-garmin --disable-samplemap --disable-postgresql
--disable-graphics-opengl --disable-graphics
>> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if
>> you have the Buzz problem.
>
> Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and
> signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving,
> or the provider messing with things, might bring
> Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on
> device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how
> it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled
> with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere can't get you any clear
> understandin
> You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead.
well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time.
if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do
not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code.
would you please stop, to cc me always and instea
>>> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
>>
>> bummer.
>> how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal
>> flash
>> as "primary device" and forces to boot from sd card.
>> not sensible imo.
>
> How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to dedicated
> nand partition?
> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
bummer.
how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash
as "primary device" and forces to boot from sd card.
not sensible imo.
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> as there is a software fix.
imo it is still a workaround, not a fix.
and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.
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> what are the odds of including the hw fix for bug #1024 (oscillating
for those wondering like me:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html
seems, finally for the recamping a fix has been found. a new round of
fix-parties is to be expected, i assume.
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> basically a memory format and as far as I can read it mmappable.
i never looked into navit's source code.
the train of thought was simply:
small file -> highly compressed information -> increased cpu usage while
extracting.
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> Since the 'bin' format is a .zip file with lots of smaller files in
> it, unzipping the (europe).zip file won't grow the data much...
that's actually quite interesting! it never occured to me to analyze the
resulting file.
so, which map format would be faster -- navit or osm?
the same map in o
don't know about any images. but with a map for all of europe 2gb is
pretty little.
it certainly won't work with tangogps -- once i tried to get all of
germany in a usable resolution for tangogps and it exceed by far 2gb.
so, your best bet would be navit with its binary maps which are much
sm
> I rebooted the phone, did nothing but waiting 23 minutes.
enable debug output and restart fso from shell (or add output to log file).
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might be interesting:
some ubuntu guys compiled android against libc (not the android flavour)
and hacked its ipc to make it run under ubuntu:
> http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/2009/05/hacking-android-on-ubuntu.html
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> A wired but rollable mini keyboard that was discussed can be found here:
> http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini
what makes it "mini"? it's almost as large as a normal keyboard and would
even rolled up be a considerably large bundle.
i try to create a custom menu file for xfce4 to avoid that ridiculous
dynamic generation everytime one opens that menu (one has usually hit the
button and then the submenus several times to make them appear).
after some fighting i found a faq entry
> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
bu
> "we are very much alive and well -- That's official. Thanks for caring"
> is this MokoSarcasm?
> According to Whoiswho on the wiki almost everybody got laid off.
> Is the design team behind the layoffs? Are you part of the design team
> that
> took our raster already?
whoa! chill, buddy.
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> I can ask Openmoko if I can get the batteries for the buzz fixes I've
> been doing (round about 70 now) and then send them out. I doubt they
that certainly would be nice!
> will ship directly to you because of the overhead involved.
which means overhead for you ...
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how are you connected to the internet?
could be a firewall or something, that allows pings to pass through and
blocks everything else.
what does
netstat -rn
say, what
ifconfig
and what is in
/etc/resolv.conf
and
/etc/network/interfaces
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> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get
> it says:
what's the command you use?
> Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> Failed to fetch
> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb
> Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
does wget f
> QDBusConnection WalletConnection = QDBusConnection::sessionBus();
thanks, but that's not the problem.
i think i solved it (at least, i hope that's the correct way):
QDBusConnection::sessionBus().connect("org.kde.kwalletd",
"/modules/kwalletd", "org.kde.KWallet", "walletDeleted", this,
SLOT(
> QDBusConnection GPSConnection = QDBusConnection::systemBus();
> ...
thanks, no w i at least got an idea how to preceed.
nevertheless, for want of gypsy i tried to connect to a signal from
kwalletd (kde pasword management daemon), which besides others offers the
signal
org.kde.kwalletd /mod
that's maybe rather ot, but since i need it to program _with_ qt _for_ the
freerunner ...
short'n'sweet: has anybody a clear and usable tutorial howto write dbus
apps with qt, notably registering an app to dbus and recieve dbus
signals/events?
say, as a plausible scenario, i want to subscrib
> Is it possible to let Mic2 gain on 3 and control echo with any
> "stronger" AT
> command?
di you try the one mentioned in the trac entry (at+clvl=230)
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> Looks great but PLEASE use /home/root/Maps to store map tiles -> share
> with Tangogps... right..?
NO!
please, use $HOME/...
this "we're all root!" madness has to stop -- and hardcoding paths like
that is really bad anyway.
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> I've run as a regular user on Debian, but updates would break most of
> it.
huh? what are you doing to make that happen?
breakages happend at most twice:
- when dbus was upgraded -- and that was remedied by putting the fso
related changes in an additional file
- when nodm changed its configura
>> and, most important, what distribution are you using? (_always_
>> prefix
>> mail's subject!)
> openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090427-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
you could have added that to the subject already! it really increases the
chance of shr users seeing that and responding!
when you ca
>> > It shows
>> > btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb c7020b20 failed to resubmit (19)
>> > btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb c7020b20 submission failed
>>
>> looks rather like bluetooth stuff. is bt connected via usb internally?
>
> I never used BT, even didn't have BT device.
still, the fr has bt and its dr
> I just run opkg update and opkg upgrade a few minutes before.
> And when I shutdown FR and boot it again, it can't boot to desktop.
any chance, you did that with usb cable still plugged in?
in the rare cases, i reboot with the usb plugged in, the boot fails with a
black screen with a bit of ba
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/bin/phonelog", line 752, in
> incoming.populateList()
> File "/usr/bin/phonelog", line 223, in populateList
> tmp_duration = int(call[3])
> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '00:30'
apparently the sql query either re
> *Can the HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1) developer version be fully modified in
> order to run an OS like the openmoko one?
the labeled devices (ie those providers give away) have a bootloader that
checks for signed code -- the signature is proprietary to the provider and
not available.
thus, these
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