If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways?
In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and
engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and
yes
:
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If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
opinions about
hard. What experiences do you have on this front
which would suggest otherwise.
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Your argument is similar to suggesting Nike has superior
engineering because they have the coolest shoes.
uhh... yes. The coolest shoes come from doing real *engineering*. Unless by
cool you just mean pretty colors. An *incredible* amount of engineering goes
into the creation of nike shoes. An
On Jan 25, 2008 7:11 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In other words, like it or not, if this patent is valid (who knows)
and its scope is what it looks like (I'm not a lawyer) it will have a
significant impact on the *phone* world.
In other words, *you* consider GTA to be a *phone*,
I'm puzzled why you responded *twice* to the same email. And I'm sure
somehow you missed the email that was actually a response to your
first answer.
Again, since you seem to have missed it. The thing that you say no one
will opt for (over the air maps), is the way that millions of phones
per
On Jan 25, 2008 8:14 PM, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 25, 2008 5:42 PM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, since you seem to have missed it. The thing that you say no one
will opt for (over the air maps), is the way that millions of phones
per month are shipped
On Jan 25, 2008 7:47 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hank williams wrote:
I don't think any phones are going to come with
navigation data built in.
To my knowldge, the Samsung Blackjack 2 from ATT includes maps from
TeleNav. You have to pay an extra $10/month to use GPS with those
On Jan 25, 2008 6:17 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm... The patent purports to cover getting *any* information based on
where you are, including maps. So unless all the map information or
whatever information you need can fit on your phone you are not
interested in it? I guess you
Today I blogged about a
companyhttp://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2008/01/are-apple-rim-and-google-all.htmlthat
has a patent on what I would call the essence of putting a GPS in a
cell phone.
I provided some details on the patent in my blog, but the essence of the
story is covered in this excerpt:
On Jan 25, 2008 8:33 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=280Category=2Lid=1
Now I guess I should post a link to an iPhone commercial.
Hank
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On Jan 25, 2008 5:37 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Fr 25. Januar 2008 schrieb hank williams:
[...]
It appears that, in essence, the patents cover a phone providing current
location information to a remote database which returns to the phone a
collection of location centric
You can get receivers for Polar chest straps that signal beats with
gpio-accessible pulses. If the Neo1973 isn't completely packed inside, it
should be an easy add-on.
I dont understand what you are saying here. Are you saying there is a
wireless reciever on the market which can be purchased
On Dec 4, 2007 7:11 AM, Neil Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Hank,
I think what he's saying is that you can get after market receivers for
polar chest straps
eg http://www.concept2.com/us/products/heart/default.asp, which I have used
myself in projects..
ok, but what is the protocol.
On Dec 4, 2007 7:39 AM, Neil Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are referring to the signal from the Polar straps, it is not really
a protocol...
It is just a magnetic pules transmitted when the heart beat occurs..
so is there a receiver chip one could buy to detect these magnetic
Not sure about the Polar units, but for things using ANT like the suunto
cheststraps there are these:
http://www.thisisant.com/index.php?section=31
Thanks,
Yes I am familiar with ant, but was curious if polar was the same
thing or some different broadcast system.
Hank
- external sensors (cadence, heart rate) Many bicycle computers show cadence
and heartrate, based on input from external sensors. Could something like
that be done with the Neo?
I am a cyclist and these inputs would be critical for me. All that
stuff is wireless. I wonder if it would be
On Nov 17, 2007 3:04 AM, Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
hank williams:
On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the
video's Sergy Brin says that it will be entirely open. I hope
On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the
video's Sergy Brin says that it will be entirely open. I hope that
google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold.
-Will
I do hope and expect android to be open. That
Yes absolutely I meant !open. And yes I agree with the rest of your
statement.
Hank
On Nov 16, 2007 8:52 AM, Attila Csipa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 16 November 2007 13:29:50 hank williams wrote:
Though I do know many in th open source community feel this way. I don't
know
exactly accurate respose/analysis.
Hank
On Nov 14, 2007 4:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
Anything less will lead to this sort of frustration, over and over
again.
It is not always possible.
The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be
Yes, I'm quite aware that the GTA02 meets these requirements, as does
the UTC universal.
I wouldn't have posted here after all and named those two phones
otherwise.
The question is, do any _other_ phones also fall into this category? Of
course, I do want
to run OpenMoko, and will do the
Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one.
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the development effort,
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the
On 11/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the
Common, take a look outside of your own borders. It's hard to inmagine an Open
Source phone gaining any traction at all in the US, land of software patents,
closed standards and telco control. There are quit a few OSS projects doing
just fine despite being illegal in the US, an Open Source
This article compares smart phone adoption among
recent buyers as of the time of writing in different countries - US adoption
was pretty abysmal back in 2006. While I'm sure it's increased since then,
20-30% is still a very far stretch. I think 8% would be more accurate.
The problem is that
Of *hank williams
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On 9/17/07, *Lalo Martins* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also spracht hank williams (Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:51 -0400):
I also think that using their stuff
On 9/17/07, Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also spracht hank williams (Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:17:51 -0400):
I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would
be incredibly cool.
I was kind of thinking in the opposite direction... running OpenMoko (the
software platform
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+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
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I dont know
On 9/18/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well Q4 07 is either 12 days away or 120+12-1 for December 30th depending
on how you look at it J
If they have just opened up the closed beta process this means they have
some time to go before being available for retail.
Acutally Q4 07
Yes,
They are making some very cool stuff. Its a modular consumer electronics
platform. I went to one of their mixers a few weeks ago. I think it is going
to be a hit. I also think that using their stuff on openmoko would be
incredibly cool.
Hank
On 9/17/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harald,
While I agree with your argument that no header is the standard for FOSS,
this is not the case for the reply to issue, which you did not address. As I
said earlier, the Apache groups (perhaps the largest FOSS umbrella) for
example, and many (most?) others do not have the default reply-to
... why should all mailing lists change their standard? behaviour only
cause some minority? (poll?) of email clients dont support these
functions ?
I will no longer discuss the merits of this issue, but I feel obliged to
address two factually inaccurate statements.
1. Gmail is not a
Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch.
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From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: mailing list management
To: Daniel Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I
use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has
Do the people suggesting these changes
think that they really know better about how this list should be set up?
Yup.
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Wow, what a classy thing - to start a flame and then admit error. Hats
off to you.
Regards,
Hank
On 8/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sean:
I've decided I'm just going to swallow the charge - applied by Customs to
the value of the kit as declared on the waybill. It's not
A company called bugLabs is working on this concept.
http://www.buglabs.net/
They have not publicly announced the details of their product, but the
idea of modular (probably open source) pocket consumer electronics
seems to be their focus.
Hank
On 7/3/07, Jonas Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing
flash development, and the pervasiveness and importance of the flash
platform creates a really serious problem with the religious perspective
about everything openmoko being open source.
Flash is a critical element of the
On 3/22/07, Philippe De Swert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards
you.
However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of
people
tend to ignore.
So you admit being one of those evil people that make websites
On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Moin,
Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams:
As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much
less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing
apps with flash really allows
I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail
and think I understand the problem.
The problem is with the list.
I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if I in
gmail say reply to replys to the sender and not to the list.
I NEVER*** want to
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Salve hank!
Thank you for your feedback ;)
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote:
You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads
properly.
Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users
explain gmail users how
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Salve hank!
This explains the CC'ing.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote:
I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail
and think I understand the problem.
The problem is with the list.
I am on 15 tech
the many
high volume lists that I am on behave.
Its kind of like being with a woman. You have to decide whether you
would rather be happy, or be right. They are mutually exclusive!
Regards,
Hank
On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote
Oh, and one more thing. You've been told this by others before, but
you igore it so I will say it again. You keep changing the subject of
your posts, and whether you like it or not you are screwing up gmail
threading, and I suspect threading from other programs. That wouldnt
be so bad if your new
on the list.
Regards,
Hank
On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, hank williams wrote:
On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote:
hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough
What I mean by this is that it seems everyone is saying that the big
difference is that you can get 3rd party *real apps* on the phone. And this
is said as if windows mobile phones like moto q, blackjack and pocket PC
phones wont allow this.
Now I am not saying open source isnt great. But from
On 1/18/07, Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070118 14:01]:
Beside the point that an *average* user doesn't see the potential
of
open source on a mobile - what are your experiances and demands on
a smart phone?
When you look
Thanks. Great, very helpful answer!
Hank
On 1/18/07, Sencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/18/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I mean by this is that it seems everyone is saying that the big
difference is that you can get 3rd party *real apps* on the phone.
Actually I think
It's the Linux-will-fork story all over. Empirical evidence
suggests
that your fear won't happen.
Nope. I don't have any fears and wasn't talking about forking. I am
just
saying that often, too many cooks spoil the stew.
Not really. What you are refering to is that not all
different perspectives on what it takes to make great products. I am not
sure why anyone would care about my views on this subject.
On 1/18/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/18/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe too many cooks spoil the stew, which is often a
problem
On 1/17/07, Attila Csipa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 00:09, Renaissance Man wrote:
Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile
communications revolution is through VoIP via WiFi. This is the
killer app.
Could you share with us WHY do you
My company is developing a product and is looking for programmers to develop
software for this and other mobile linux platforms and would love to talk to
people - particularly in the new york area.
Regards,
Hank
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I think you are generally right, with some caveat.
It's really a chicken/egg problem. Will the carriers come first, or
the applications?
It is possible that in 2007, linux based extensible phones will become
the rage. We have greenphone, Access, and open moko. But if carriers
feel that these
Could someone tell me how fast the phone will be able to transmit data, and
what type of networks will be able to deliver that speed?
I am developing an internet based music service and part of my model is
delivering music on mobile phones wirelessly. But phones have either had a
sufficiently
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