Given the recent announcement of multi-touch support within X and the Linux
kernel - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=NzMyMQ
...what are the remaining hardware limitations that restrict multi-touch
being on the Neo Freerunner used rather than the clever workarounds that've
been
Russell Hay russe...@ysmail.net writes:
Given the recent announcement of multi-touch support within X and the Linux
kernel - http://
www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=NzMyMQ
...what are the remaining hardware limitations that restrict multi-touch
being on the Neo Freerunner
used
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.
-Charles
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.
-Charles
Actually, X.org supports it (google
Kelvie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.
-Charles
Actually, X.org
I agree, one of the coolest features of the IPhone is its multi touch
capability to zoom or do multi select.
Scott
Charles Pax wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware
revision? I remember hearing something about how it's supported by the
hardware, but we're
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:09:41 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL
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babbled:
Kelvie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how
direction :)
Only my idea... 2-finger-scrolling is so great!
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Am Do 29. Mai
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Fabian Off:
Hey!
How does synaptics handle this? When I look at the output my touchpad does,
I can see X Y Fingers Values... Maybe we could look into this code and see
how they do detect the amount of fingers? Dunno whether they work nearly the
same, but I
solve the one of the
multi touch emulation problems AFAIK, which is not knowing if two
points are being touched on either side, or one is being touched in
the centre.
I probably make no sense :)
Federico
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Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Bastian Muck:
I have a little idea. Imagine, you put your finger somewhere on the
right side of the screen. The average point is also somewhere at the
right side. When you put another finger e.g. at the left side the
average point jumps somewhere to the middle. This
That
On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 18:03 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
They have no hope of preventing multi-touch itself from
becoming the accepted mainstream, and then resistive touchscreens are
probably going to be seen as obsolete.
That is assuming that mainstream has
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The ubiquitous zooming and rotating examples are not convincing me at all.
They seem pretty cool to me.
So... where
Hi, tis me again. A little bit of forward thinking here. When I first
came to OpenMoko it was a mid the torrent of the iPhone hype. I will
admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch
interface was an easy addition to OpenMoko. With some time to think and
study
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Duvelle Jones:
I will
admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch
interface was an easy addition to OpenMoko. With some time to think and
study the availability of the technology, I soon realized that my
thinking on the matter was quite
I think this is an interesting reading about iphone multi-touch screen:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/iphone1.htm
2008/3/4, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Duvelle Jones:
I will
admit that I was dissolution with the possibility that the multi-touch
interface
Hi guys,
I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the longer
I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone.
The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great innovation
among UI's on large monitors, tablets, and even desks.
So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone?
maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P
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On Tuesday 04 March 2008, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Hi guys,
I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the
longer I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone.
The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great
innovation
Federico wrote:
So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone?
maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P
Or other chording based text entry schemes...
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, or the competition will catch up and do it for them.
Soon we will see another supplier, because it's too hot to be
ignored. (It's also a good question, who made the chips for
Fingerworks.) In a couple years there will probably be chintzy LCD
multi-touch wristwatches or something. By that point
On 3/4/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the
longer
I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone.
The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great
innovation
joerg ha scritto:
I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02
4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a
couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still is a little
hope...
What's your hope exactly?
Do you have
Federico ha scritto:
So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone?
maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P
Not so useful imho... We don't write so quickly on small-screen based
devices to need a combination-input.
For istance, the iPhone has not a such feature
...).
I can't find more things that really need a multi-touch screen, since I
won't paint on it and I neither will do a collaborative work... :P
Then I'd like to know more infos about *tapping* in Neo.
I mean, in my notebooks with Synaptics touchpads I can easily use more
than a finger to play
, then it cannot be a standard, because
other gestures will have to be invented. But the existence of the
original Mac did not prevent GEM or AmigaOS or Windows from being
developed, either, despite Apple's attempts to claim ownership of some
ideas. They have no hope of preventing multi-touch itself from
Am Mi 5. März 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
joerg ha scritto:
I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02
4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a
couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still
On 7/24/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes I agree with all your points.
I suspect the Apple patents are on the interaction techniques, and
possibly on some specific hardware. Obviously multi-touch existed a
few years ago (FingerWorks was around, and I think the FTIR method
First off I wanted to see if anyone shares my opinion that a
multi-touch screen is needed, if at all possible, to make the Neo
truly revolutionary. It will both cut down on screen space used for UI
and make for a more efficient and intuitive interface. It would even
help beyond user input
I truly believe in this quote, I also found it on openmoko.com. Both
multi-touch and a minimalist case truly supports this ideal:
The most profound technologies are those that disappear. They weave
themselves into the fabric of everyday life until they are
indistinguishable from it.
Mark Weiser
On 7/23/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I truly believe in this quote, I also found it on openmoko.com. Both
multi-touch and a minimalist case truly supports this ideal:
snip
-Cailan
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Yes I agree with all your points.
I suspect the Apple patents are on the interaction techniques, and
possibly on some specific hardware. Obviously multi-touch existed a
few years ago (FingerWorks was around, and I think the FTIR method was
invented even earlier). We will see how the lawsuits
Obviously multi-touch existed a few years ago (FingerWorks was around
Note that Apple *bought* FingerWorks for this technology, and
presumably the associated patents. (I have some of the FingerWorks
keyboards, they're a great technology on the gesturing side, but as an
experienced touch-typist
.
Marcus
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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Stylus, the iPhone, and multi touch screens
I personally don't like the idea of using a stylus, or rather, needing
one, but I've read
On 6/28/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the multi-touch screen make this easier somehow?
It might help a bit in corner cases, but what really makes or breaks it is a
proper, global thinking of the user experience (which is generally not the
same, and even sometimes directly
, Fabien [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 6/28/07, Cailan Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the multi-touch screen make this easier somehow?
It might help a bit in corner cases, but what really makes or breaks it is
a proper, global thinking of the user experience (which is generally not the
same, and even
the multi-touch screen make this easier somehow? Also what exactly is
multi-touch and is it near the top of the hardware addition list?
-Cailan
Multi touch is the ability for the screen to recognize two places touched at
the same time.
Normal (single) touch screens will either not recognize
I personally don't like the idea of using a stylus, or rather, needing
one, but I've read that there will be certain tasks/apps that will
have a UI designed for a stylus. I saw a video of the iPhone in
operation and all tasks were easily performed with the fingers. Does
the multi-touch screen
On Tuesday 03 April 2007, ground control picked up the following
transmission from Florent THIERY:
Tapping two fingers on and off on my Mac laptop (old G4 model) I
can see behavior that matches this, although the pointer algorithm
it uses is trying to figure out a single point.
So we
With that being said I have been thinking about
multi-touch lately and after some things on the wiki page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements I noticed
that is mentioned the zoom feature of the iphone.
as an example. The aim of the question is to discover how a monotouch
screen
as the algorithm will need to gather more
data to decide where the pointer should be. Some of the faster moving
single touch gestures may be hard to distinguish from multi touch.
Adrian
I agree, but it would still be a nice feature to have and I could deal with
a little lag for added feature
as the algorithm will need to gather more
data to decide where the pointer should be. Some of the faster moving
single touch gestures may be hard to distinguish from multi touch.
Adrian
I agree, but it would still be a nice feature to have and I could deal with
a little lag for added feature
Yy ! We may have found something that's 100% compatible with the
fingerwheel.
Let's do it this way:
- this socalled first touch can be done on the mokowheel itself: put your
left thumb on the black area; there you enter fake multitouchscreen mode
- keeping this finger in the black circle,
Mockups done (ugly, but gives an idea)
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Handgesture_recognition_proposal
In fact, we may not even need the fake multi touch thing, if we define a
finger-mode zone. Just put your first finger on the wheel, and the second
one has handgesture enabled
Last post, promise :)
I found this:
http://iscroll2.sourceforge.net/
iScroll2 is a modified trackpad driver that adds two-finger scrolling
capabilities to supported pre-2005 PowerBooks and iBooks on OS X 10.3 and
up.
To scroll, just place two fingers on your trackpad instead of one. Both
I personally like the configuration of my synaptics touch pad. I have
left, middle, and right clicks (1, 2, and 3 finger tapping,
respectively), and I can also use the right and bottom edges for
vertical and horizontal scrolling.
However, keep in mind that touch *screens* are very different in
mathew davis wrote:
snip
* The output is the center of the bounding box of the touched area
* The touch point skips instantly on double touch
* Pressure has almost no effect on a single touch, but not so on a
double touch. The relative pressures will cause a significant
Had to dig through a month of sent mail to find this: interesting
demonstration of multi-touch screen manipulations.
I have another similar one, but it's even further into the pile
Jeff Han is a research scientist for New York University's Courant
Institute of Mathematical Sciences
On 1/10/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And it appears that the OS is only called OSX and looks like it.
Nothing is known so far
about CPU, RAM and SDKs (Xcode + IB???).
It uses High Technology, what more do you need to know?
http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 12:33, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Apple Germany has said they use an Intel processor - but on the other
hand, Intel has sold all Xscale and Mobile phone chips to Marvell
last summer... http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9189781557.html
IMBWOTO, not exactly ALL
If the iPhone isn't a smartphone and it isn't an ordinary phone, does that
make it a stupidphone? An insolent phone? Certainly some wise wordsmith
here has a catchy way of phrasing this.
I look forward to voting with my dollars and buying an open phone like the
Neo. When is it going to ship?
Robert Michel, Wed 2006-11-29 20:02 CET
No keystroke at all - using just the different color points - areas
and use the combinatoric - 10 colour points without different areas
would give the power of 10! = 3.628.800 combinations
more areas would give more power
- so it would become
Salve!
For this text colour point and coloured fingertip are equivalent
Robert Michel schrieb am Samstag, den 25. November 2006 um 04:22h:
A grafic, that explain the design of a multi-touch screen sensor:
http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/index.html
I was worried about dirt or the behavior
frequency outside of our cognition?
Or black-light and special colour to use the multi-touch sensor
with multi colour?
Or let us work with the pattern of our fingermarks
The colour finger tips could be an intermediate step
for nerds and developer ;)
rob
else?
What about light frequency outside of our cognition?
Or black-light and special colour to use the multi-touch sensor
with multi colour?
Or let us work with the pattern of our fingermarks
The colour finger tips could be an intermediate step
for nerds and developer ;)
rob
it into vertical direction - with an
clinometer could the device automaticaly unlock the keylock and the user
haven't to think how to unlock it.
To lock the device the multi-touch sensor analysing could help - when
has his normal menue than random multi-touch connections inside your
pocked
No keystroke at all - using just the different color points - areas
and use the combinatoric - 10 colour points without different areas
would give the power of 10! = 3.628.800 combinations
more areas would give more power
so... if we've got an optical system like this, would it also
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