find a way to help) any work towards a
fully free phone, and your focus on producing a handset is great.
Nick
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joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote:
I invite you to visit me at my home
If you meant it seriously, you might as well give your address or GPS
coords (by unicast if you prefer) - but I highly doubt that you meant
it seriously.
trying to force me to hand to you
Hand to me? What me?
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael. And I,
(unlike I suspect some others on the list) very much like your
framing of the issues, too. I fully support the idea that if a law
makes private conversation illegal, it is a bad law, and regulatory
blocks on GSM that forbid
in the future.
This also has another plus: why pay for each sms? We can chat in internet
as long as we wish.
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2013, Nick wrote:
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael. And I,
(unlike I suspect
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
IMHO the need for the GSM stack being open sourced is largely overestimated.
Security experts say that the question is how to secure communication over an
unsecure communication medium.
Depending on which level you want to
Security experts have moved on from that line of thinking long ago I
think. The problem with it is that a GSM/3G/LTE modem is not just a
communications channel. It is a generic processor running software.
Probably buggy, insecure, proprietary software. Same goes for GPS,
WiFi, Ethernet and other
Am 23.08.2013 14:41, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
IMHO the need for the GSM stack being open sourced is largely overestimated.
Security experts say that the question is how to secure communication over an
unsecure
Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote:
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael.
Yay, one more supporter!
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
I see that after your post, the thread on the mailing list veered off
into a discussion of security
On Fri 23 August 2013 21:07:14 Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
I would be
very happy to have a really free modem firmware on my GTA02 in the
meantime.
Then maybe you should try talking some sense into Joerg etc - maybe
they'll listen to you more than they are willing to listen to me.
I
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
Please allow me to address a question to the community as a whole: if
you can produce a free phone then why aren't you? Do it! What are you
*waiting* for?
Well, as you've asked the community as a whole, without restrictive
language to exclude any particular
ROTFL
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supplementary links:)
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml
On Fri 23 August 2013 01:58:04 Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
[blablabla]
I have found some new and exciting TI firmware source leaks
(archived on my mini-Wikileaks at ftp.ifctf.org) which will
hopefully make it unnecessary for me to sacrifice my life in a
gunfire exchange with the German
On Fri 23 August 2013 01:58:04 Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
[yaggediyagediblabblablub...]
In the case of hardware it means publishing full,
*unredacted* schematics and PCB EDA files,
Yeah that *evil* redacting!
Oh, did you ever hear about that funny story? Somebody noticed that the GTA01
I have added a link to the Events page:
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Events/
Am 19.03.2012 um 08:49 schrieb Michael Dorrington:
On 14/03/12 10:42, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Hi Michael,
thanks for this support!
Am 14.03.2012 um 10:11 schrieb Michael Dorrington:
Thanks.
Will you attend with GTA04 project? :-)
Dne 19.3.2012 09:03, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napsal(a):
I have added a link to the Events page:
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Events/
Am 19.03.2012 um 08:49 schrieb Michael Dorrington:
On 14/03/12 10:42, Dr. H. Nikolaus
Hi there,
I read some discussions about the accessories to GTA02. In my humble opinion
the community should not expect the OpenMoko Inc to provide all the
accessories, as soon as the phone is released, especially for the
non-consumer version yet. For now i would be happy to get the phone itself,
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Breakable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi there,
I read some discussions about the accessories to GTA02. In my humble opinion
the community should not expect the OpenMoko Inc to provide all the
accessories, as soon as the phone is released, especially for the
Thank you Breakable.
We struggle long and hard with this question.
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Subject: I just want a free phone
Hi there,
I read some
El lun, 16-07-2007 a las 13:10 -0400, Ian Darwin escribió:
Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers)
is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will.
Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:31 AM, Santiago Crespo wrote:
I like the spanish term: libre (like in ubuntu cd-box).
It's not a bad word, but unfortunately when I hear it I get an image
of a guy wearing army fatigues and carrying an automatic weapon. To
some extent I think choosing a branding
Am Montag, 16. Juli 2007 22:14 schrieb Ken Young:
How 'bout
For those who prefer JTAG to Bluetooth. or
It's not just a phone, it's a hobby. or
Get one before the phone companies figure out what they are.
OpenMoko - and you even own the ghost in
On 7/16/07, Visti Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps a different name different locations ;o)
The Phone for The Matrix tm.
The One Phone for Mddle-earth.
The Next Generation Phone for Star Trek tm conventions.
The True Phone for religious occasions.
Ok, that's not a bad idea.
The Open Phone
Our Phone
The Human Phone (ok, sounds a bit like Ubuntu)
Free your Phone (wich obviously is not the same as The free phone. It
sounds good, and is already used in the youtube ads)
More then a Phone
Phone++
The Phone from people to people
The Freedom Phone
Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti:
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the
respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hate gmail and complain to them all you want, please don't imply the
list should be broken because of that.
I shan't continue
On 13:25:09 2007-07-17 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/17/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti:
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the
respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the respond-to
adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Having the list server change the reply-to header is wrong. Please read
http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful
I don't use Gmail, but a quick google search tells me
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Giles Jones wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different
things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with
the
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote:
The Open Phone
Our Phone
Just oPhone
I've always dislike the I and My stuff.
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oPhone sounds great too...
but not this oPhone:
http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=79996a20-e2de-4757-8d22-dfc5a44acfc7
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On 7/17/07, digger vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote:
The Open Phone
Our Phone
Just oPhone
I've
Digger Vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Just oPhone
I've always dislike the I and My stuff.
Not even sure it should be branded as just a phone.
Always preferred the communicator label myself :)
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Great video! the OFone, which way is up on this thing?
I'd rather not go with oPhone, it sounds derivative of the iPhone. Like
the openmoko phone is a cheap wannabe iPhone. I don't people to have
that impression.
What about a nice industrial-style alphanumeric designation - like the
'FIC
that nobody got too far along with advertising
based on the free phone. I did not mean to get everybody excited
trying out their new name for the phone.
Let's all get back to writing code now, so we'll have something to
advertise someday.
*whew*
Ian
Robin Paulson writes:
it's nothing to do with gmail. the reply-to field has not been set on
the openmoko mail server, so replies to messages default to the
sender. this is fine in most cases, but not on mailing lists
This has been discussed to death in the past, with no consensus on
what proper
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 16:54:45 Ian Darwin wrote:
What about a nice industrial-style alphanumeric designation - like the
'FIC A1'. Or OM1. Or FS1, whatever.
Well, you know, we're pretty far off the topic I started here. The phone
being sold now *is* called the FIC Neo1973, period.
IMHO
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:59 AM, ramsesoriginal wrote:
Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3!!11oneeleven
Perfect. :')
Honestly, I don't think this is something that one needs to worry
about. What's going to happen if OpenMoko really becomes usable is
that various vendors will adopt it in markets
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on
maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko.
The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and
so on. Don't
Ian Darwin wrote:
Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The
Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know.
How about The Freedom Phone.
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Mike wrote:
How about The Freedom Phone.
Makes me think of American flags and jingoistic phrases. Probably a
non-starter in the US...
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Ian Darwin wrote:
The phrase free phone already means the
opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on.
Ugh, Ian's right. That phrase has been violently co-opted by the
carriers. Much as I like The free(d) phone, I don't think we can use
that anywhere outside
I agree with your first sentence, but came up with precisely the opposite
conclusion! I think Freedom Phone would work extremely well in the US.
On 7/16/07, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike wrote:
How about The Freedom Phone.
Makes me think of American flags and jingoistic
want an open source
phone.
Freedom, at least in the US, has been even more violently co-opted
than than free phone...
But let us not venture into unpleasant political territory.
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On Monday 16 July 2007 19:19:49 Mike wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The
Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know.
How about The Freedom Phone.
How about centering around liberty instead of free (which
On 16/07/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on
maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko.
The only one
who would want an open source
phone.
Freedom, at least in the US, has been even more violently co-opted
than than free phone...
But let us not venture into unpleasant political territory.
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:20:24 -0700
Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike wrote:
How about The Freedom Phone.
Makes me think of American flags and jingoistic phrases. Probably a
non-starter in the US...
Yes Freedom has a slightly bitter taste these days...
How about The Liberated
Damn... hit reply, needed reply-to all ;-)
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From: Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jul 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Not the free phone
To: Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 7/16/07, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pius A. Uzamere II
Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
The phrase free phone already means the
opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on.
Ugh, Ian's right. That phrase has been violently co-opted by the
carriers. Much as I like The free(d) phone, I don't think we can
.
The set of people who would want a Freedom Phone probably does not
have much overlap with the set of people who would want an open source
phone.
Freedom, at least in the US, has been even more violently co-opted
than than free phone...
ok, why not something totaly different from free
How about Your Own Phone, or maybe just Your Phone, meaning that you
really own it?
Regarding reply-to munging -- don't want to revisit this ancient debate,
but -- please don't :-)
Best Regards
Kent
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free in it. Exercice left to the reader :)
On 7/16/07, Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damn... hit reply, needed reply-to all ;-)
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From: Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jul 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Not the free phone
To: Dirk
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
On 7/16/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on
maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone
Hi,
As on date, when you own a phone, even though it is 'your' phone, it
is branded as company X or Y phone.
If you go to country F, you see people using mostly only phones from
company N, because it is owned in country F.
If you go to country S, you see people using mostly only phones from
On 7/16/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
First thing I thought about when I saw youPhone was youTube... it
seems a bit to obvious, sorry.
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I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are putting
the consumer in control - this line may mean different things to a techie
and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the spirit of freedom.
On 7/16/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
Call it
On Monday 16 July 2007 20:24:18 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
u is often short for the Greek letter \mu (in Latex notation) which in turn is
used as a sign for micro in many places. That may confuse people as it might
mean microphone then?
pgpPDRRoFs3Pl.pgp
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different
things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in
with the spirit of freedom.
Maybe, but then I
That is absolutely true! No amount of marketing to non-techies will help
until we have a solid software stack which includes UI responsiveness and a
tested user interface. The idea is not to start a ad campaign immediately --
the idea is to be ready when the time for advertising comes!
Speaking
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:28, Daniel Bartholomew wrote:
Well, since Apple has gone iThis and iThat with everything and dropped
their use of PowerThis and PowerThat, why not co-opt that?
How would you like a PowerPhone?
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Well, in a similar vein (throwing in my own silly
tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers,
wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone,
OpenMoko.
The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and
so on. Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or
With
powerful ssh acess
Calling
I thought of that too but don't see it as a problem. Still seems like
a euphonious name to me.
On 7/16/07, Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/16/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone?
First thing I thought about when I saw
Unleash your phone.
Original Message Shawn Rutledge on Mon-16-Jul 07 8:24PM
A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs
free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the
opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move
How 'bout
For those who prefer JTAG to Bluetooth. or
It's not just a phone, it's a hobby. or
Get one before the phone companies figure out what they are.
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On 7/16/07, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unleash your phone.
Neo 1973 : phone - and more
OpenMoko : not just a phone
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ok, why not something totaly different from free, freedom and open?
I'd call it the tuxphone.
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Giles Jones wrote:
Maybe, but then I think all the marketing is academic without the
software being there and working.
Oh, finally. Thanks, Giles. I'd have to say that academic is an
understatement: if you actually sold one to someone who wasn't capable
of building and installing a Linux system
On 16 Jul 2007, at 22:13, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
On 7/16/07, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unleash your phone.
Neo 1973 : phone - and more
OpenMoko : not just a phone
Neo 1973 - The phone you truly own.
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Sven wrote:
I'd call it the tuxphone.
Why?
Do you need to be wearing a tuxedo to use it...?
(Yes, _I_ know, and _you_ know, but trust me, Sean will be spending the
next year answering exactly that sort of question.)
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On 7/17/07, David Lefty Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sven wrote:
I'd call it the tuxphone.
Why?
Do you need to be wearing a tuxedo to use it...?
(Yes, _I_ know, and _you_ know, but trust me, Sean will be spending the
next year answering exactly that sort of question.)
and the
Giles Jones wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things
to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the
spirit of freedom.
Let's make it work first.
On 7/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Giles Jones wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things
to a
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