Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-17 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:19:18 +0200 joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for:

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-17 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:24:51 +0200 Raphael Wimmer raphael.wim...@ifi.lmu.de wrote: * The concept assumes that all components use a common communication backplane. This is not feasible, as a variety of voltages and communication protocols are in use in a typical phone (I2C, SPI, UART, USB,

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-17 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 15:00:07 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: And it would be bulkier and more expensive than a non-modular phone, of course. http://components.arrow.com/part/search/buglabs The main cost in doing that is the plastic of the modules. Denis.

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-08 Thread Davide Scaini
Someone was talking about a modular phone, right? Have a look at this (spoiler: it's not a phone ;) yet) http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1123-this-could-be-the-biggest-advance-in-camera-design-for-a-decade Regards, d On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kai Lüke

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Pascal Gosselin
On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins for the modules, forcing everything to be based on

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Ian Stirling
On 10/05/2013 04:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the problem, lack of a large user base. HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for: http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit- dominoes/ /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:06 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. ++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:14 schrieb Pascal Gosselin: On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Raphael Wimmer
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:04:24 +0200, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: [...] If technically feasible, this project I believe stands the best chance of obtaining funding as the concept has wide appeal. Interesting long-term vision: maybe. Short-term replacement for GTA04: no. I

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:19 schrieb joerg Reisenweber: In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for: http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit-

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
There are numerous threads on Reddit that explain very well why this is not feasible [1,2,many] This is bogus. It is feasible. Just not quite in the way those people ask for it. E.g. you wouldn't have just a CPU module, and instead you'd have a module that combines the CPU with many other

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Kai Lüke
Hi, GTAx is allready more extensible than normal smartphones because of usb host mode. And any different fast data connector I think about might allow an attacker to get access to your system, like the hacks with firewire. I also think it would be nice to have modular phone, but this is a huge

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2013-01-31 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, I just found some bare unpopulated FRID-PCBs while preparing FOSDEM. If you go there I will have some with me. Nikolaus Am 17.01.2013 um 11:30 schrieb Yury Sakarinen: Hi, I would like to buy The Freerunner RFID but boards not on sale. Does anyone have an extra?

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2013-01-17 Thread Yury Sakarinen
Hi, I would like to buy The Freerunner RFID but boards not on sale. Does anyone have an extra? http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=RFID%20Board Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller писал 2011-04-11 11:23: Dear all, besides the GTA04 and the Freerunner Navigation Board, we have been working

ot: CERN launches Open Hardware initiative

2011-07-11 Thread Davide Scaini
If you are interested, more details here: http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR08.11E.html d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 23:16 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: Does this kind of antenna need to have right-angled corners, as in the photo? Or is that shape easier sculpted in the PCB? Well, the shape should cover an inside area as big as possible. And fit onto a given rectangular shape. The width and

Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Dear all, besides the GTA04 and the Freerunner Navigation Board, we have been working behind the scenes on a new hardware mod, originally for the Openmoko Freerunner. It is a RFID Antenna, RFID Tag (M24LR64) and a RFID Reader (TRF7960) board. For 13 MHz (ISO14443, ISO15693). The

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Denis Shulyaka
Hi Nikolaus, Great news! Here in Moscow, some of the tickets to public transport are basically RFID tags. Will I be able to copy them and use my Free Runner for it with this hardware? Best regards, Denis Shulyaka. 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: Dear all, besides the

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Nikolaus, Just an idea: handheld scanner for pets (veterinarian, animal rescue workers etc) It could read the animals rfid chip and do a lookup in the database to show the owner. Kind regards, Ed On Monday 11 April 2011 09:59:38 Denis Shulyaka wrote: Hi Nikolaus, Great news! Here in

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
There's an app for Android that reads MIFARE 13.56MHz transit cards: https://github.com/codebutler/farebot The author would like to see eventually emulating such cards: http://codebutler.com/announcing-farebot-for-android I would definitely be interested in a board if it was proven it could read

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 09:59 schrieb Denis Shulyaka: Hi Nikolaus, Great news! Here in Moscow, some of the tickets to public transport are basically RFID tags. Will I be able to copy them and use my Free Runner for it with this hardware? Difficult to say. There are three potential issues

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 10:13 schrieb Alex (Maxious) Sadleir: There's an app for Android that reads MIFARE 13.56MHz transit cards: https://github.com/codebutler/farebot The author would like to see eventually emulating such cards: http://codebutler.com/announcing-farebot-for-android I would

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 10:13 schrieb Ed Kapitein: Hi Nikolaus, Just an idea: handheld scanner for pets (veterinarian, animal rescue workers etc) It could read the animals rfid chip and do a lookup in the database to show the owner. Kind regards, Ed Nice idea! Tags are available in many

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Denis Shulyaka
2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: Difficult to say. There are three potential issues whiy it could not work: * our board is 13.56 MHz (other RFID systems use different frequencies) * our board supports two protocol standards (they may use a different one) * the RFID

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com wrote: Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 12:41 PM 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: There are three potential issues whiy it could not work: (...) Wikipedia says that it uses Mifare UltraLight chip (ISO 14443 Type A

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-12-02 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 01 December 2010, Gennady Kupava wrote: В Пнд, 29/11/2010 в 01:24 -0800, c_c пишет: Hi, I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to opensourcemid.org. Apparently, Embest (who also make

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-12-01 Thread Gennady Kupava
В Пнд, 29/11/2010 в 01:24 -0800, c_c пишет: Hi, I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to opensourcemid.org. Apparently, Embest (who also make the DevKit 8000 - a beagle board like board) have made a 7 MID

Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread c_c
think? Chaitanya -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783703.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread c_c
there. Disclaimer : I have nothing to do with embest. Just thought I'd let the community now. They claim to be 'open' - maybe the community can see if they truly are. -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Jansa
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:24:57AM -0800, c_c wrote: So here are my questions :- 1. How do I port SHR to this device (or any other for that matter) Mostly equals to adding support for that device in OpenEmbedded (conf/machine/*.conf) BUG-2.0 (bug20.conf) is using same OMAP, so it shouldn't

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread c_c
. As you can see, I'm quite a noobie when it comes to using bitbake for building images and that sort of thing. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783737.html Sent from

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Jansa
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:41:18AM -0800, c_c wrote: Hi Martin, Can you elaborate? Say I add another conf file to conf/machine/ called K7.conf. How do I now make a root image for this arch? Of course, I intend keeping my build system intact for the FR too. So how do I get bitbake to build

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] community now. They claim to be 'open' - maybe the community can see if they truly are. I am not an expert in this matter, but it looks like they provide only electronic schematics. What would be more useful are PCB layouts and some CAD casing drawings. You could compare this to

Open Hardware/Software Event Munich, Germany in December 2010

2010-09-15 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, after we have defined the location to be in Munich, we have received many pre-registrations through Doodle: http://www.doodle.com/93cu86vm2s69zsxc Thanks to all who participated! It is now clear that the date is the 4./5. December (second Sunday in Advent). To improve

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dave Ball wrote: What's the yard stick for measuring against here? I.e. are we talking about one-off from digikey/farnell, samples direct from the manufacturer, or limited-run (couple of hundreds) quantities? For the full process from RD to mass production, you need to have channels for

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-06 Thread Dave Ball
Hi Werner, Werner Almesberger wrote: There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider when choosing chips include: snip - are they available (to us) ? What's the yard stick for measuring against here? I.e. are we talking about one-off from digikey/farnell, samples

Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Ken Young wrote: My two cents: If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a GPS PDA. I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi, and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible.

Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org wrote: The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has high-speed USB,

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-03 Thread Dave Ball
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: There is also the openpandora project: http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=2Itemid=2lang=en Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? Can be the ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz used in a future phone? The pandora

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-03 Thread GNUtoo
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 20:49 +, Dave Ball wrote: Laszlo KREKACS wrote: There is also the openpandora project: http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=2Itemid=2lang=en Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? Can be the ARM

Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Joerg Eesmann
Hi, I would love to have an open phone with OMAP processor like OpenPandora and BeagleBoard. Both have the OMAP 3530 with 3D acceleration and DSP. Maybe a phone doesn't need the DSP. But it is amazingly powersufficient, IMO. The phone would be up to date from processor power, and there should not

Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? Can be the ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz used in a future phone? There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider when choosing chips include: - do they fit the intended purpose ? - are they open

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-16 Thread GNUtoo
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-15 Thread jbl2024
sourceforge but for hardware hacking) * link people between them and promote hackable events Regards, Jérôme Blondon. Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit : While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-15 Thread Kerstin
Blondon. Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit : While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread John Sullivan
Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread Richy
One Question here. Under Openmoko - The bad it says: The basses are filtred on the headphones output...because of a capacitor which value was too low(can't be fixed) What is the bassfix than? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Maybe someone could correct the page. On Sat, Sep 12,

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people are looking for? The main reason is to provide financial support to companies that support my ideals rather than to those that undermine them. Stefan ___ Openmoko

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-11 Thread Al Johnson
from it. Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi, OpenPandora, etc.? Thanks, Wolfgang On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-11 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/9/11 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness

Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-08-10 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/7/20 Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com MIPS is a great architecture and I am sure that it will have a bright future. Looking even brighter already: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/mips_android_port_open_sourced/ ___ Openmoko community

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-27 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
Wolfgang Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know some that are interested in joining to work on a free design and/or can do some coding too? :-) I`m a qualified mechanical engineer, currently finishing my Masters degree. Although I have some experience in solid modelling, I`m not that

Re: Fwd: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-27 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Christoph, Thank you for a very thoughtful email. I appreciate your inputs on this topic. This is my outing, that I never really understand the concept of open(moko) :-) From my observations of this list, I do not think you are the only one. 2. Considering this, you have to arrange with a

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread Gilles Casse
john wrote: [snip] ...look at new areas such as hackable wearable computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! +1 Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread Werner Almesberger
steven mosher wrote: 2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me 400Million and I'll get right on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what apple will ship 18 months from now to be competitive. Heh, I'd do it for 40 ;-) But I think

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread pike
Hi With virtually every movie that depicts an even slightly futuristic world showing video telephony, it's no surprise that some people do start to believe that this will be part of the future ... With that in mind, we could ask ourselves what are the roads not taken in the guided

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/25 pike pike-openm...@kw.nl Ofcourse, you cant expect people to jump into a conference call every moment. But if you could 'add' a person during a call, that would help. It would be possible if only one of the connected devices could do that. just dreaming.. Not really, with voip

applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)

2009-07-25 Thread Werner Almesberger
[ Changed the subject, for we've veered off-topic. ] pike wrote: So, what did science fiction *miss* ? Actually, very little :) One thing that could make voice telecommunication a lot more attractive would be an avatar who listens and understands. Voice mail makes many people uncomfortable

Re: applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)

2009-07-25 Thread pike
Hi Okay, that's a far-out idea. Something closer to home: if you don't need video telephony, you don't need rapidly updating color images. So, put e-paper into those phones. Maybe even the well-established grayscale type. It probably still updates quickly enough that you could even doodle on

Re: applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)

2009-07-25 Thread Werner Almesberger
pike wrote: strange, i've never seen it in day-to-day usage. can't do it on my phone afaik ? It's certainly one of the more obscure features :) You should be able to use it by making the first call, then call the next party and join the calls, and so on. Not sure if any of the Openmoko distros

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread john
Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? I hope you are talking just about the design. Physical keyboard is way better if you're typing a lot. Even small. The screen is protected when it's in your

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Tony Berth
just few comments from a European! :) Its just FINE that you base your company in China. China is worldwide a synonym of superior quality and most advanced technology in terms of electronics and they are catching up extremely fast with the rest of the industrial activities. I wouldn't care about

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. Then

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Tony, just a few misconceptions - Qi is global, same as Openmoko. Headquarter in San Francisco, RD in Taiwan, Germany, USA. Production in China. About patents - we care a lot. Qi Hardware is Copyleft Hardware. How could we think that this would work if we didn't respect intellectual property? We

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Tony Berth wrote: I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies were sued anyway? :) Christoph's problem is that as a reseller he's the one that gets sued, or has his

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread steven mosher
Exactly, As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these point comparisons between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made then let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the goal is to create an iPhone clone

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Esben Stien
Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.com writes: Do you know other free 3D tools? http://irc.esben-stien.name/mediawiki/index.php/NURBS -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2009 um 22:52 schrieb steven mosher: Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my mind. So next year on April 1st the company will be relaunched as vi- hardware :) Some corollary: vi = vi-ntage Real programmers do everything in vi (e.g.

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Heh, it seems like I'm not in your target sets, but good luck in this venture! :) Rui --

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 17:24:56 Shaz wrote: We (academic RnD) need a community effort and an effort that can compete with iPhone and Windows mobiles. OHA and LIMO kind of efforts but that are not as free as freedom and sort of not really open :) Can't this community aim at working at that

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread steven mosher
Yes, that would be a great april fools joke. Vintage is very trendy http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021523-1.html hehe Werner, small keyboards, vi. It's an inside joke. Or rather a hat tip to a good man, great programmer, and founder of OM. On that note, it's not kosher to use

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread steven mosher
Thanks for your kind words. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello.

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
AFAIK no it don't have it in the first version. 2009/7/21 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org: One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher: A while back Wolfgang mentioned

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote: It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most of the USB device I have work...but

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
opps forgot battery life. Michael shiloh has my unit. When I get some time I'll just test it. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote:

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? What I wonder is how it will compare to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_Wireless_Messenger_(Z2) and its

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? There is a 4 way key that can be used

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2009 um 10:52 schrieb steven mosher: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
it open. We too are selling a service. That service is open hardware and open roadmap. We are doing everything the community asked us to do while we were at OM. These are our important check boxes: GPL the code, open the schematics,upstream the kernel, Open the roadmap process. Those aren't

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Shaz
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts?Are

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and ncurses. I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers would draw their inspiration from the grace and style of vi ? :-)

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Shaz, (cross-posting to develo...@lists.qi-hardware.com, if you have more Qi-specific questions please ask me over there) This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts? Both Openmoko and Qi believe in free technology, so for

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Werner, you can mark my words - I am becoming a real mutt fan now. Unless someone else is faster, I will port mutt over to the NanoNote and use it as my offline email device :-) Next time I come visit you in Buenos Aires this will work! Wolfgang On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 08:27:02AM -0300, Werner

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Werner Almesberger: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and ncurses. I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers would

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Christoph, wow I like your list! Old mistakes: #1 Believing in the community? No comment. #2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in addition we have an open roadmap and design the products based on community feedback. #3 We don't need an MPEG-patent license because we

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Rafael Campos
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wolfgang Spraulwolfg...@qi-hardware.com wrote: Shaz, (cross-posting to develo...@lists.qi-hardware.com, if you have more Qi-specific questions please ask me over there) This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys planning to go

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
#2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in addition we have an open roadmap and design the products based on community feedback. A comment on this: Of course designing a product with as much input and feedback from your community of customers is important. But when I

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Am Dienstag, 21. Juli 2009 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? A pointing stick is much smaller... (And don't tell me a touchpad is

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
maddog, thanks for your thoughtful reply! Fortunately the mp3 issue (as a continued example) can be met other ways. Since the designs are open, the addition of an mp3 codec by a VAR (and payment of that royalty in jurisdictions where it is required) is something that could be done even

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Rafael, (ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD already, that he says prohibit him from doing effective work to prepare for plastic injection. Oh well... This a surprise to me, as i didn't know this mechanical tool. Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know some

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Shaz
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@qi-hardware.comwrote: Christoph, wow I like your list! Old mistakes: #1 Believing in the community? No comment. #2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in addition we have an open roadmap and design the

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wolfgang Spraulwolfg...@qi-hardware.com wrote: For mechanical design, it's even harder. Werner thinks HeeksCAD is the best candidate, so Qi is looking into that now. Our mechanical engineer Tully (ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD

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