Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-10-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
.26_Navigation_Expansion_Board http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid Our goal is to adapt the hard- and software of the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid to this new board. This will give even more power to future Openmoko devices. Nikolaus Am 14.09.2010 um 10:50 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Hi, you

Re: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-10-13 Thread neo
we have won one of the new PandaBoards (OMAP4 / ARM Coretx A9) boards through the PandaBoard Early Adopter Program: Congratulations! This is good news, indeed. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug.

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-10-13 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
/PEAP_Projects#Handheld_LCD_.26_GPS_.26_Navigation_Expansion_Board http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid Our goal is to adapt the hard- and software of the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid to this new board. This will give even more power to future Openmoko devices. Nikolaus Am

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-10-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
#PHASE-I_Winners http://omappedia.org/wiki/PEAP_Projects#Handheld_LCD_.26_GPS_.26_Navigation_Expansion_Board http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid Our goal is to adapt the hard- and software of the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid to this new board. This will give even more power

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-10-13 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Again good news: we have won one of the new PandaBoards (OMAP4 / ARM Coretx () Congratulations! Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: [ANN]: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - News

2010-09-28 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, someone has asked for an update even talk a little about problems... 10. We also got some hints and offers for support to make high-density PCBs that are needed for the integration of a full OMAP system onto a motherboard replacement for the Freerunner. So we now think that finally, *we

Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-09-14 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, you may wonder what has happened to the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid [1] mentioned in the August Community update (cited below). First of all we had some delay with our SMD assembly company. They had holidays on one hand and more work than expected (economy appears indeed to flourish again

[ANN]: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - News

2010-07-30 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, it is quite a while since our first announcement of the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid [1] and you may have wondered how the project is going. Since we have got a very positive feedback for our experiments and targets, we have tried to take seriously on all the feedback and worked on a new

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-20 Thread Andreas Pokorny
the openmoko beagle hybrid kit are available? regards Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-20 Thread David Lanzendörfer
I consider the very last diagramm very funny. For the future: There is Kicad. Its also very easy there to create new Chip-Symbols. Try it out ;-D But I'm glad to see that there are still people around, who design the hardware the good old El.Ing.-way. (Paper and pen) regards leviathan

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-20 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
if we someday start to squeeze everything into a Freerunner case. Since I plan to buy a pandora .. Could you have a closer look to verify whether the required connectors to attach the openmoko beagle hybrid kit are available? Hm. The Pandora connectors and the Beagle Board connectors are *very

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Which option would you prefer? Since this are too many for us to handle, please let us know the variants you like. We will then decide which ones we will finally produce. To simplify the answers, please vote here: http://www.doodle.com/huagbg7hu94zyame Ok, I think this poll

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered) 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we have one) 4. same as 3 including a Wi2Wi GPS receiver module (we are not sure if the internal

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Joerg, Am 16.06.2010 um 21:51 schrieb Joerg Eesmann: Hi Nikolaus, Very good stuff, an open phone with OMAP3530-Power, my dream... I am a little off topic here, but I take the chance to ask eitherway. I am thinking about a little simpler NaviBoard. The actual Naviboard has 2x2 ADC with

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Thomas, our current plan is described here: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle but prices may change a little. Also depends on the outcome which variants you all prefer. And the number of units. The status is that we have enough boards and are waiting to

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Alvaro, Am 16.06.2010 um 01:35 schrieb Álvaro Lopes: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we have one) And who's we, if I may ask ? I had the impression this

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.06.2010 um 13:34 schrieb Al Johnson: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Alvaro, Am 16.06.2010 um 01:35 schrieb Álvaro Lopes: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we have one) And who's we,

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
Le 16/06/2010 14:05, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller a écrit : Am 16.06.2010 um 13:34 schrieb Al Johnson: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Alvaro, Am 16.06.2010 um 01:35 schrieb Álvaro Lopes: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. PCB and components already soldered on

RE: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
Anyway, can you please keep focus on the original question (everything else does not bring us forward): Which option would you prefer? 1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered) 3. PCB and components already

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.06.2010 um 15:51 schrieb Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE): Anyway, can you please keep focus on the original question (everything else does not bring us forward): Which option would you prefer? 1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
Le 16/06/2010 17:56, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller a écrit : Am 16.06.2010 um 15:51 schrieb Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE): Anyway, can you please keep focus on the original question (everything else does not bring us forward): *Which option would you prefer? * 1. PCB and very special

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Bernd Prünster
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: *Which option would you prefer? * 1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered) If i got it right a decent soldering kit needed for such an operation would cost a few hundred bucks...

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Joerg Eesmann
Hi Nikolaus, Very good stuff, an open phone with OMAP3530-Power, my dream... I am a little off topic here, but I take the chance to ask eitherway. I am thinking about a little simpler NaviBoard. The actual Naviboard has 2x2 ADC with I2C and one 2axis Gyro(analogue) and one 1-axis gyro(analogue).

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Christoph Mair
Hi Joerg! Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 21:51:53 schrieb Joerg Eesmann: Hi Nikolaus, Very good stuff, an open phone with OMAP3530-Power, my dream... I am a little off topic here, but I take the chance to ask eitherway. I am thinking about a little simpler NaviBoard. The actual Naviboard has

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, we were a little quiet the last days because we just had to wait to receive the final PCBs and some components and start testing the boards. We are currently thinking about different offers: 1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself). 2. PCB and complete

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-15 Thread Álvaro Lopes
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we have one) And who's we, if I may ask ? I had the impression this was only a few-people project, not sponsored by any means. I doubt any of you have a pro SMT assembly line. I'm asking this

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-15 Thread Thomas HOCDEZ
Hi ! Whoao ! Such a good news ! Can you reveal to the community prices availability of the boards. I imagine you don't have thousands. I don(t know yet if I'm interrested (in fact my banker knows but ...). Thanks a lot great job ! Regards AstHrO On 15/06/2010 18:25, Dr. H. Nikolaus

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Alvaro, Am 16.06.2010 um 01:35 schrieb Álvaro Lopes: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we have one) And who's we, if I may ask ? I had the impression this was only a few-people project, not sponsored by any means. I

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
all features of the OMAP) and 3000 units per batch. Maybe, someone has also sponsored the prototyping phase where you have to produce boards at 500 EUR each. And then you find one misplaced connection or component :( For the Openmoko Beagle Hybrid we have just 2 layers (but no OMAP on board

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Em 25-05-2010 07:05, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escreveu: This finally will lead to the question how many of us want to own such a new OMAP based motherboard for the Freerunner... But I think we are too early to really pose this question since for solid market research, one has to present at

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hi, 2010/5/25 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: [...] We have done some analyses and none of the online-pcb-shops can provide this. Therefore we asked several manufacturers by e-mail and most declined because they can't handle micro-vias. Some could do it but they said that our

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 25.05.2010 um 12:46 schrieb Andreas Pokorny: Hi, 2010/5/25 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: [...] We have done some analyses and none of the online-pcb-shops can provide this. Therefore we asked several manufacturers by e-mail and most declined because they can't

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hi, I thought the target was to have a new oss phone with more modern or more common hardware, and since FR users are used to hardware patches :)... The FR users could become OP users with a special gsm/umts patch. But you are right the OP is a gaming console so it is also lacking some other

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Hiya! Im doing some Mendel development (http://blog.arcol.hu), and I have a working 3D printer. Here is my offer: I can print you prototypes for free. You still need to pay for the shipping, so I dont loose too much money on it. If you are interested, shoot me an email. Also the machine has

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-25 Thread Andreas Pokorny
2010/5/25 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: [...] The OpenPandora is a OMAP based gaming console with its own LCD. The OpenPandora is too big to fit into a Freerunner case. So connecting both doesn't make sense to me. Or did I misunderstand your idea? The idea was to design a small

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-23 Thread Martijn van Dongen
4.2mm ]. http://www.gumstix.com Regards, // Yocto - Original Message - *From:* Martijn van Dongen marvad@gmail.com *To:* List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Hi, First

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-21 Thread Yocto
Cortex-A8 at 600MHz 256MB RAM / 256MB Flash [ 17mm x 58mm x 4.2mm ]. http://www.gumstix.com Regards, // Yocto - Original Message - From: Martijn van Dongen To: List for Openmoko community discussion Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Hi

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Message - From: Martijn van Dongen To: List for Openmoko community discussion Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Hi, First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the freerunner. I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-20 Thread Martijn van Dongen
Hi, First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the freerunner. I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main discussion is how to make a new casing that fits around the beagle board, how to produce and what it costs. I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-17 Thread Joachim Steiger
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The problem is not technology or DIY capabilities, but cost. What we want to have is a nice case achievable for everybody, not only the enthusiast who wants to spend time and money for experimenting with DIY hardware or commercial FDM. So the question

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-17 Thread Vibhav Sharma
On Monday 17 May 2010 10:45 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: So if we find a method that allows to make 10 units from a budget of 500 EUR or 100 units from a total budget of 5000 EUR I am happy! This may be a dumb response. But what about a machined metal (aluminium) case. These prices

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-17 Thread GNUtoo
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 13:05 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote: also there are limitations of what you can do with which each production-method: * e.g. for reprap-alikes, all overhangs 45deg need support structures. * milling in 3axis means you can only 'mill from e.g. above'.. to turn it to the

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 17.05.2010 um 20:00 schrieb GNUtoo: On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 13:05 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote: also there are limitations of what you can do with which each production-method: * e.g. for reprap-alikes, all overhangs 45deg need support structures. * milling in 3axis means you can only

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-16 Thread Atilla Filiz
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.orgwrote: However, you may also want to consider making the parts directly, without going via a cast. This is much more expensive for larger quantities, but if you only need a handful of cases anyway, it should be

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-16 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
The problem is not technology or DIY capabilities, but cost. What we want to have is a nice case achievable for everybody, not only the enthusiast who wants to spend time and money for experimenting with DIY hardware or commercial FDM. So the question is how much does a SW developer want to

Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-16 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
The problem is not technology or DIY capabilities, but cost. What we want to have is a nice case achievable for everybody, not only the enthusiast who wants to spend time and money for experimenting with DIY hardware or commercial FDM. So the question is how much does a SW developer want to

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-14 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid Kewl. But where's the duct tape ? :-) I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice design. The main reason is that we can't

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-14 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 14.05.2010 um 16:36 schrieb Werner Almesberger: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid Kewl. But where's the duct tape ? :-) Between PCB and LCM :-) I have received some questions why we

Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-11 Thread RANJAN
A really good idea.Looking forward to its release. R.Sriranjan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.orgwrote: There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid I have received some questions why we

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
. Nevertheless, the great open source mobile phone software developed by this community (SHR, QtMoko, FSO etc.) needs to have modern open and documented hardware to keep pace with pretededly-open platforms like iPhone, WebOS, etc. Therefore, this Openmoko Beagle Hybrid board gives us a tool to develop

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-11 Thread Sylvain Paré
. Therefore, this Openmoko Beagle Hybrid board gives us a tool to develop mobile applications with state of the art performance (except form factor). We, a small team of hardware developers, will continue to work on integrating everything better - but this is a long way to go. I am sure we

Re: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.05.2010 um 19:02 schrieb Michael Trimarchi: Hi, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 11.05.2010 um 17:50 schrieb Michael Trimarchi: Hi, RANJAN wrote: A really good idea.Looking forward to its release. R.Sriranjan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller