Wow, this one trolls rant has been taken way too far. Half the emails
in my box have the subject of
FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yup,
Dnia Wednesday 19 of March 2008, Tim Shannon napisał:
Wow, this one trolls rant has been taken way too far. Half the emails
in my box have the subject of
FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
And most of mails from this list are from people with broken keyboards
(no Del key).
--
JID:
[snipping to keep it short]
[ for everyone who's tired of reading these -- sorry. the community's
easily as (actually, more) important than the hardware product itself.
debates like this are as important (imho) as those debating how much
RAM the device has or what cell frequencies should be
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snipping to keep it short]
[ for everyone who's tired of reading these -- sorry. the community's
easily as (actually, more) important than the hardware product itself.
debates like this are as important (imho) as
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And lossless formats are a joke. They use such prodigious amounts
of storage space that there's really no point at all. Just use the
original media! And if you don't own the original media, you're
either a thief or you've been
Kevin Dean wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Lally,
This is clearly my responsibility, and in fact there is such a page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
I confess I have been lax in the past few months and have not updated
I try to explain:
OpenMoko team is try to follow a project: they are not a firm like Nokia
or Motorola.
They are a little firm, but with a very innovative ideas in the mind.
This don't mean that all the people must to support their idea. You must
analyze your needs and to decide if you need
2008/3/18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything,
I completely agree with this strictly because of the battery life on the
gta01. If they ever had any intention of this being mass produced, they
would have got most of
2008/3/18, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I try to explain:
OpenMoko team is try to follow a project: they are not a firm like Nokia
or Motorola.
Oh they are very much like Nokia or Motorola. Like Nokia or Motorola
they respect their customers and don't want to make them pay for crap.
I was not speaking about this aspect. About this aspect I think they are
better, but I was speaking about firm dimensions.
2008/3/18, Jaroslaw Swierczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2008/3/18, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I try to explain:
OpenMoko team is try to follow a project: they are
This'll be my first email to the community, sorry for any mistakes.
Just to put things straight, I am **not* *a developer, I don't have any
experience with the Neo1973 or the Neo Freerunner. I haven't had the
chance to purchase anything, nor have I had the chance to provide
anything for the
2008/3/18, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I was not speaking about this aspect. About this aspect I think they are
better, but I was speaking about firm dimensions.
Yes, you point is very valid. There are some important differences
like experience, existing product base and number of
2008/3/18, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes, it plays many closed, proprietary formats out-of-the-box, but
none of the open formats like ogg vorbis, ogg theora, flac, speex,
dirac. So it does not play any of my music out-of-the-box, and I'd
prefer to support vendors that support those formats.
You're
: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT)
Delayed another 6 months is a deal breaker for me. If I can get a
Freerunner that is hardware stable, makes phonecalls and does most phone
functions in a month or two, I'll be fine, otherwise I'm gonna have
I'd rather have a solid device 6 months down the line than a faulty
device
in 1 month.
I agree 100% with Andy. I don't want to buy a device and discover a major
issue a month after that. I don't want to have to wait for GTA02.1 or to
have to buy a new GTA03 3 months after GTA02 comes out
To: Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: List for OpenMoko community discussion
community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:25 +0100
The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with
version A6 currently.
Seems
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Why? Don't know your exact situation but my guess is that even when the
FreeRunner is initially released it isn't going to be completely
polished anyway. So rather than get all frustrated (and build some
resentment toward the project like I did) don't put an artificial
I have to chime in here, I was trying to resist. :)
OpenMoko Inc. is a company that, right now, is treading unfamiliar
waters. On one hand, they're a newcomer to the phone market so they
don't have name recognition yet so they need to generate buzz in
order to get the word out around their
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To: Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: List for OpenMoko community discussion
community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:25
OM's unusual in the sense that they're asking us to do three things:
1. Invest $400-600 in them.
2. Use their device in such a personal way -- a cell phone is as much
a part of my daily setup as my shoes or wrist watch.
3. Develop on it, in our usually too-rare spare time, unpaid.
In exchange,
Lally Singh wrote:
When someone says this should get fixed the *last* response to give
is fix it yourself.
Clearly the words of someone who's never attempted to complain about the
lack of a driver for their special hardware on the Linux kernel mailing
list. Fix it yourself is actually a
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh sheesh. Why are you trying so hard to poison this project?
Read the rest of the response. I said the proper response is please
file a bug report. Or shove it on a wishlist. Someone spent time
trying to contribute
Lally Singh wrote:
Oh sheesh. Why are you trying so hard to poison this project?
Oh, please. If you want to entertain me with rhetoric, put more effort
into it.
I'm not poisoning this project, I'm simply adding a note of actual
reality here. If anything might have that effect, I'd
community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:25 +0100
The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with
version A6 currently.
Seems there are no showstoppers been found so far.
Power management
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yup, responding to my own post. I've got more to say on this.
This'll be it for a while, I want to see how this community's going to
go without me dragging it kicking screaming.
Growing up in a bunch of open-source
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Lally,
This is clearly my responsibility, and in fact there is such a page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
I confess I have been lax in the past few months and have not updated
since January,
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
clare wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net.
Thanks very much. I did set up the one from qtopia.net,
with a modern u-boot (5 March)
On Sunday 16 March 2008 19:57:50 Michael Shiloh wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in
Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do.
Maybe while you're at it, some information about the future direction of the
interface stack would be nice. I'm
2008/3/15, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the
gps module, and the gsm module?
They are as open as it is possible to get gsm/gps technology under
international regulatory laws, which is pretty much the best you can
hope for until
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:18:54 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
-snip-
Keep up the great work Lorn (and Co.). Over here we're working as hard
as we can to get FreeRunner out of the factory. Things are moving nicely
now. Pilot runs are in a few days from now.
Thank you for the
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Sunday 16 March 2008 19:57:50 Michael Shiloh wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in
Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do.
Maybe while you're at it, some information about the future direction of the
interface
Mark wrote:
Michael Shiloh michael at openmoko.org
If you have little interest in putting up with the
frustrations that will surely follow, you will do best to wait for the
consumer software to be ready.
...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything,
and you have no
Mark pisze:
[...]
...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything,
and you have no interest whatsoever in selling to consumers. Because
with these attitudes, even if you do eventually come out with a
consumer version, they won't be interested. This has been my point all
...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything,
I completely agree with this strictly because of the battery life on the
gta01. If they ever had any intention of this being mass produced, they
would have got most of the hardware right the first time, and at least
tested
Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury napisał:
In order for there to be competition, there has to be something
available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its
availability matches the Freerunner's at this point. Not to mention
that's the origin of Qtopia that everybody
Michael told next couple of months...a month ago, and no announcement has
been released yet...
2008/3/16, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So please, give us some words about delays if there are any...
NO!
You don't get these words
JW schrieb:
On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So please, give us some words about delays if there are any...
NO!
You don't get these words from Openmoko
You already know what you get
1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz wrote on Sun Mar 16
11:02:12 CET 2008
On Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury wrote:
In order for there to be competition, there has to be something
available. The
I think there are people here with different objectives.
My objective is to get a cool platform where I can code and play
around, but I fully intend on using it daily as a replacement for my
current cellphone and pda, and do care about problems.
Clearly there are people out there that do not
Mark Haury wrote:
Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008:
I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they
release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x
the quantity of the 1973 (what was hinted to earlier), and some major
Well, i've followed this discussion and only one thing is left to say:
LOL!!!
Just get back from your dream and get the information in the list:
1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that
aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even
your PC
On 16/03/2008, Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The suggestion to make my mind up reading kernel discussions is not very
helpful and might even be considered mockery.
the suggestion above that you alone are worthy of a declared delivery
date (when it has been extensively described
Mark Haury wrote:
Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz
mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com
wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008
Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark
clare wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it
work very reasonably, I think.
The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most
work is being done for 4.4
The latest binary for Neo from
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008:
I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they
release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x
the quantity of
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in
Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do.
Thanks,
Michael
Andrea Debortoli wrote:
Michael told next couple of months...a month ago, and no announcement
has been released yet...
2008/3/16, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christoph Witzany wrote:
JW schrieb:
On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So please, give us some words about delays if there are any...
NO!
You don't get these words from Openmoko
You already know what you get
1) full access to kernel/dev discussions
Also I think so:
Produce a phone, with all this function is not easy, and hardware can
not to be fixed with a patch or a version update.
I appreciate what FIC people are doing.
Ivo Anjo wrote:
I think there are people here with different objectives.
My objective is to get a cool platform
On 16/03/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in
Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do.
Don't rush on the hardware, your doing a bang up job already
(translation for non-british: thumbs up), I'd rather
Hello Pietro
I think you said what a lot of Neo supporter think!
Someone must to understand is not just a phone. I something different
from what there was untill now. If a person want just a phone or a pda
is better that buy a phone or a pda.
:)
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote:
Well, i've
I'd rather have a solid device 6 months down the line than a faulty device
in 1 month.
I agree 100% with Andy. I don't want to buy a device and discover a major
issue a month after that. I don't want to have to wait for GTA02.1 or to
have to buy a new GTA03 3 months after GTA02 comes out
You are
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto:
1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that
aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even
your PC run something which is not open source (BIOS, graphic card
firmware, cdrom firmware, every kind of firmware
A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you
normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed.
Just a single place to find out what's going on.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha
Singh
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:34 PM
To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you
normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed.
Just a single place
discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you
normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed.
Just a single place to find out what's going on.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Marco
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:49:57 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do agree with this... Btw imho all the words written in this thread
are due to only one thing: the lack of communication by the FIC
developers (the hardware ones first of all, but also the software
Lorn Potter wrote:
Mark Haury wrote:
Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz
mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com
wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008
Dnia Saturday 15
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Richard Bennett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All the info is there, you just have to subscribe to the other
mailinglists, see:
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/
and also the feeds section:
http://planet.openmoko.org/
I think if you have time to
The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with
version A6 currently.
Seems there are no showstoppers been found so far.
Power management is at a reasonable some days to some weeks in standby
with GSM.
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Over here we're working as hard
as we can to
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_.
Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is
not going to work.
That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at
all.
and more in
JW wrote:
On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html
Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version
that's delayed?
Is this just not sowing seeds of realism along
to upgrade.
- Original Message
From: Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:53:22 PM
Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
JW wrote:
On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL
On 3/15/08 Mark Haury wrote:
Timo Jyrinki timo.jyrinki at gmail.com wrote on Fri Mar 14 22:01:43
CET 2008
First speaking about Neo being not open, it's funny to advertise a
device with lots of proprietary software and problematic, very
closed
pieces of hardware, preventing any theoretical
clare wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_.
Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the
hardware is not going to work.
That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if
at
On Saturday 15 March 2008 19:27:02 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the
gps module, and the gsm module? You may get some I/O specs, but the
modules themselves will never be open. They won't even release the
CAD files for the case in
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:55:58 +0100, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A friend just forwarded this on to me:
http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html
Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer
version that's
delayed?
No
On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So please, give us some words about delays if there are any...
NO!
You don't get these words from Openmoko
You already know what you get
1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own
mind up on what these
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote:
The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work
very reasonably, I think.
The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is
being done for 4.4
The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at
On Friday 14 March 2008 13:55, Tom Cooksey wrote:
A friend just forwarded this on to me:
but did you actually read it?
However, at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference held in San Diego,
California last week, the company revealed that consumers will have to wait
maybe six more months
On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html
Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer
version that's delayed?
Is this just not sowing seeds of realism along previous lines...?
Tom Cooksey wrote:
A friend just forwarded this on to me:
http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html
Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version
that's
delayed?
Please please read the SECOND WORD of the headline.
Well, slightly earlier than September doesn't read like April to me ...
but hope dies last ;)
Andy Powell schrieb:
On Friday 14 March 2008 13:55, Tom Cooksey wrote:
A friend just forwarded this on to me:
but did you actually read it?
However, at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wake up, folks, the Neo/Freerunner/whatever is *NEVER* going to be
available as a consumer device.
troll-tastic!
JW
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Mark wrote:
Wake up, folks, the Neo/Freerunner/whatever is *NEVER* going to be
available as a consumer device. It's *always* going to be a
developer's plaything, and it will never settle on a reasonably static
*snip*
2008/3/14, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Wake up, folks
Hello. I think I'm awake.
If you want a device that's been out for a long time, has a bigger and
higher-resolution screen, and *just works* right out of the box, get
yourself a Nokia N800 (or if you have money to burn, an N810
First
Ugh.
Outside of chip firmware, what don't we have?
Also, what's the standard for consumer-level devices? I've seen some
terrible, terrible mobile Windows devices. These devices have a day
and a half of battery life, crash about that often, and have little
more than an address book, weak
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