Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-19 Thread Tim Shannon
Wow, this one trolls rant has been taken way too far. Half the emails in my box have the subject of FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup,

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-19 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia Wednesday 19 of March 2008, Tim Shannon napisał: Wow, this one trolls rant has been taken way too far.  Half the emails in my box have the subject of FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? And most of mails from this list are from people with broken keyboards (no Del key). -- JID:

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-19 Thread Lally Singh
[snipping to keep it short] [ for everyone who's tired of reading these -- sorry. the community's easily as (actually, more) important than the hardware product itself. debates like this are as important (imho) as those debating how much RAM the device has or what cell frequencies should be

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-19 Thread Kevin Dean
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipping to keep it short] [ for everyone who's tired of reading these -- sorry. the community's easily as (actually, more) important than the hardware product itself. debates like this are as important (imho) as

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-19 Thread Marc-Olivier Barre
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And lossless formats are a joke. They use such prodigious amounts of storage space that there's really no point at all. Just use the original media! And if you don't own the original media, you're either a thief or you've been

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-19 Thread Michael Shiloh
Kevin Dean wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lally, This is clearly my responsibility, and in fact there is such a page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates I confess I have been lax in the past few months and have not updated

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Michele Renda
I try to explain: OpenMoko team is try to follow a project: they are not a firm like Nokia or Motorola. They are a little firm, but with a very innovative ideas in the mind. This don't mean that all the people must to support their idea. You must analyze your needs and to decide if you need

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Jaroslaw Swierczynski
2008/3/18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything, I completely agree with this strictly because of the battery life on the gta01. If they ever had any intention of this being mass produced, they would have got most of

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Jaroslaw Swierczynski
2008/3/18, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I try to explain: OpenMoko team is try to follow a project: they are not a firm like Nokia or Motorola. Oh they are very much like Nokia or Motorola. Like Nokia or Motorola they respect their customers and don't want to make them pay for crap.

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Michele Renda
I was not speaking about this aspect. About this aspect I think they are better, but I was speaking about firm dimensions. 2008/3/18, Jaroslaw Swierczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/3/18, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I try to explain: OpenMoko team is try to follow a project: they are

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Jordan Keith
This'll be my first email to the community, sorry for any mistakes. Just to put things straight, I am **not* *a developer, I don't have any experience with the Neo1973 or the Neo Freerunner. I haven't had the chance to purchase anything, nor have I had the chance to provide anything for the

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Jaroslaw Swierczynski
2008/3/18, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was not speaking about this aspect. About this aspect I think they are better, but I was speaking about firm dimensions. Yes, you point is very valid. There are some important differences like experience, existing product base and number of

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/3/18, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, it plays many closed, proprietary formats out-of-the-box, but none of the open formats like ogg vorbis, ogg theora, flac, speex, dirac. So it does not play any of my music out-of-the-box, and I'd prefer to support vendors that support those formats. You're

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Jonathon Suggs
: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Delayed another 6 months is a deal breaker for me. If I can get a Freerunner that is hardware stable, makes phonecalls and does most phone functions in a month or two, I'll be fine, otherwise I'm gonna have

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread nqs
I'd rather have a solid device 6 months down the line than a faulty device in 1 month. I agree 100% with Andy. I don't want to buy a device and discover a major issue a month after that. I don't want to have to wait for GTA02.1 or to have to buy a new GTA03 3 months after GTA02 comes out

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Jonathon Suggs
To: Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:25 +0100 The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with version A6 currently. Seems

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Tilman Baumann
Jonathon Suggs wrote: Why? Don't know your exact situation but my guess is that even when the FreeRunner is initially released it isn't going to be completely polished anyway. So rather than get all frustrated (and build some resentment toward the project like I did) don't put an artificial

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Kevin Dean
I have to chime in here, I was trying to resist. :) OpenMoko Inc. is a company that, right now, is treading unfamiliar waters. On one hand, they're a newcomer to the phone market so they don't have name recognition yet so they need to generate buzz in order to get the word out around their

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Lally Singh
PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:25

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Lally Singh
OM's unusual in the sense that they're asking us to do three things: 1. Invest $400-600 in them. 2. Use their device in such a personal way -- a cell phone is as much a part of my daily setup as my shoes or wrist watch. 3. Develop on it, in our usually too-rare spare time, unpaid. In exchange,

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread David Lefty Schlesinger
Lally Singh wrote: When someone says this should get fixed the *last* response to give is fix it yourself. Clearly the words of someone who's never attempted to complain about the lack of a driver for their special hardware on the Linux kernel mailing list. Fix it yourself is actually a

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Lally Singh
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh sheesh. Why are you trying so hard to poison this project? Read the rest of the response. I said the proper response is please file a bug report. Or shove it on a wishlist. Someone spent time trying to contribute

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread David Lefty Schlesinger
Lally Singh wrote: Oh sheesh. Why are you trying so hard to poison this project? Oh, please. If you want to entertain me with rhetoric, put more effort into it. I'm not poisoning this project, I'm simply adding a note of actual reality here. If anything might have that effect, I'd

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Michael Shiloh
community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:25 +0100 The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with version A6 currently. Seems there are no showstoppers been found so far. Power management

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Kevin Dean
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, responding to my own post. I've got more to say on this. This'll be it for a while, I want to see how this community's going to go without me dragging it kicking screaming. Growing up in a bunch of open-source

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-18 Thread Kevin Dean
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lally, This is clearly my responsibility, and in fact there is such a page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates I confess I have been lax in the past few months and have not updated since January,

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread clare
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: clare wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. Thanks very much. I did set up the one from qtopia.net, with a modern u-boot (5 March)

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Sunday 16 March 2008 19:57:50 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Maybe while you're at it, some information about the future direction of the interface stack would be nice. I'm

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/3/15, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the gps module, and the gsm module? They are as open as it is possible to get gsm/gps technology under international regulatory laws, which is pretty much the best you can hope for until

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread Daniel Spies
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:18:54 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Keep up the great work Lorn (and Co.). Over here we're working as hard as we can to get FreeRunner out of the factory. Things are moving nicely now. Pilot runs are in a few days from now. Thank you for the

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread Michael Shiloh
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Sunday 16 March 2008 19:57:50 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Maybe while you're at it, some information about the future direction of the interface

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread ian douglas
Mark wrote: Michael Shiloh michael at openmoko.org If you have little interest in putting up with the frustrations that will surely follow, you will do best to wait for the consumer software to be ready. ...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything, and you have no

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread Piotr Duda
Mark pisze: [...] ...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything, and you have no interest whatsoever in selling to consumers. Because with these attitudes, even if you do eventually come out with a consumer version, they won't be interested. This has been my point all

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-17 Thread openmoko
...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything, I completely agree with this strictly because of the battery life on the gta01. If they ever had any intention of this being mass produced, they would have got most of the hardware right the first time, and at least tested

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury napisał: In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The Trolltech Greenphone comes to mind, though, as its availability matches the Freerunner's at this point. Not to mention that's the origin of Qtopia that everybody

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Andrea Debortoli
Michael told next couple of months...a month ago, and no announcement has been released yet... 2008/3/16, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Christoph Witzany
JW schrieb: On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words from Openmoko You already know what you get 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Matt Manjos
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 On Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark Haury wrote: In order for there to be competition, there has to be something available. The

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Ivo Anjo
I think there are people here with different objectives. My objective is to get a cool platform where I can code and play around, but I fully intend on using it daily as a replacement for my current cellphone and pda, and do care about problems. Clearly there are people out there that do not

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread David Lefty Schlesinger
Mark Haury wrote: Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008: I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x the quantity of the 1973 (what was hinted to earlier), and some major

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Well, i've followed this discussion and only one thing is left to say: LOL!!! Just get back from your dream and get the information in the list: 1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even your PC

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread JW
On 16/03/2008, Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The suggestion to make my mind up reading kernel discussions is not very helpful and might even be considered mockery. the suggestion above that you alone are worthy of a declared delivery date (when it has been extensively described

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Mark Haury wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15 of March 2008, Mark

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lorn Potter
clare wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Matt Manjos
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Mark Haury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Manjos matt at manjos.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 16:23:09 CET 2008: I think the main concern with FIC at the moment is that if they release the Freerunner developer-only hardware now, produced in 10x the quantity of

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi everyone, I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Thanks, Michael Andrea Debortoli wrote: Michael told next couple of months...a month ago, and no announcement has been released yet... 2008/3/16, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
Christoph Witzany wrote: JW schrieb: On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words from Openmoko You already know what you get 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michele Renda
Also I think so: Produce a phone, with all this function is not easy, and hardware can not to be fixed with a patch or a version update. I appreciate what FIC people are doing. Ivo Anjo wrote: I think there are people here with different objectives. My objective is to get a cool platform

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread andy selby
On 16/03/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. Don't rush on the hardware, your doing a bang up job already (translation for non-british: thumbs up), I'd rather

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Michele Renda
Hello Pietro I think you said what a lot of Neo supporter think! Someone must to understand is not just a phone. I something different from what there was untill now. If a person want just a phone or a pda is better that buy a phone or a pda. :) Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Well, i've

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Fred Janon
I'd rather have a solid device 6 months down the line than a faulty device in 1 month. I agree 100% with Andy. I don't want to buy a device and discover a major issue a month after that. I don't want to have to wait for GTA02.1 or to have to buy a new GTA03 3 months after GTA02 comes out You are

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: 1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even your PC run something which is not open source (BIOS, graphic card firmware, cdrom firmware, every kind of firmware

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lally Singh
A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed. Just a single place to find out what's going on. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha

RE: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
Singh Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:34 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed. Just a single place

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Matt Manjos
discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? A progress blog would be nice. I don't think much more than what you normally find in the Wiki and kernel mailing list would be needed. Just a single place to find out what's going on. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Marco

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Richard Bennett
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:49:57 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do agree with this... Btw imho all the words written in this thread are due to only one thing: the lack of communication by the FIC developers (the hardware ones first of all, but also the software

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Lorn Potter wrote: Mark Haury wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz openembedded at haerwu.biz mailto:community%40lists.openmoko.org?Subject=FreeRunner%20delayed%20a%20further%206%20months%3F%21%3F%21%3F%3FIn-Reply-To=47DBEEE9.3090305%40gmail.com wrote on Sun Mar 16 11:02:12 CET 2008 Dnia Saturday 15

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread Lally Singh
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the info is there, you just have to subscribe to the other mailinglists, see: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ and also the feeds section: http://planet.openmoko.org/ I think if you have time to

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-16 Thread joerg
The hw-designers hope they hold the golden master in their hands with version A6 currently. Seems there are no showstoppers been found so far. Power management is at a reasonable some days to some weeks in standby with GSM. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Over here we're working as hard as we can to

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread clare
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at all. and more in

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Ben Burdette
JW wrote: On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? Is this just not sowing seeds of realism along

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Shawn
to upgrade. - Original Message From: Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:53:22 PM Subject: Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!?? JW wrote: On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 3/15/08 Mark Haury wrote: Timo Jyrinki timo.jyrinki at gmail.com wrote on Fri Mar 14 22:01:43 CET 2008 First speaking about Neo being not open, it's funny to advertise a device with lots of proprietary software and problematic, very closed pieces of hardware, preventing any theoretical

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Lorn Potter
clare wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Daniel Spies
On Saturday 15 March 2008 19:27:02 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: ...and the Neo *is* fully open? What about the graphics module, the gps module, and the gsm module? You may get some I/O specs, but the modules themselves will never be open. They won't even release the CAD files for the case in

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:55:58 +0100, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend just forwarded this on to me: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? No

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread JW
On 16/03/2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please, give us some words about delays if there are any... NO! You don't get these words from Openmoko You already know what you get 1) full access to kernel/dev discussions - you should make your own mind up on what these

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-15 Thread clare
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The community has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 14 March 2008 13:55, Tom Cooksey wrote: A friend just forwarded this on to me: but did you actually read it? However, at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference held in San Diego, California last week, the company revealed that consumers will have to wait maybe six more months

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread JW
On 14/03/2008, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? Is this just not sowing seeds of realism along previous lines...?

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Ian Darwin
Tom Cooksey wrote: A friend just forwarded this on to me: http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version that's delayed? Please please read the SECOND WORD of the headline.

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Christoph Witzany
Well, slightly earlier than September doesn't read like April to me ... but hope dies last ;) Andy Powell schrieb: On Friday 14 March 2008 13:55, Tom Cooksey wrote: A friend just forwarded this on to me: but did you actually read it? However, at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread JW
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wake up, folks, the Neo/Freerunner/whatever is *NEVER* going to be available as a consumer device. troll-tastic! JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Dave O'Connor
Worst.troll.ever. On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Mark wrote: Wake up, folks, the Neo/Freerunner/whatever is *NEVER* going to be available as a consumer device. It's *always* going to be a developer's plaything, and it will never settle on a reasonably static *snip*

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/3/14, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wake up, folks Hello. I think I'm awake. If you want a device that's been out for a long time, has a bigger and higher-resolution screen, and *just works* right out of the box, get yourself a Nokia N800 (or if you have money to burn, an N810 First

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

2008-03-14 Thread Lally Singh
Ugh. Outside of chip firmware, what don't we have? Also, what's the standard for consumer-level devices? I've seen some terrible, terrible mobile Windows devices. These devices have a day and a half of battery life, crash about that often, and have little more than an address book, weak