Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Andrew Turner
Hi Ryan, I understand where you're coming from. Right now the process of getting up and running developing for the Neo1973 isn't straight-forward - especially for a new coder. This is for a bunch of reasons, one of which is that the actual software isn't released yet, but will be in the near

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
For programming, you'll need to start to get up and running with C++. That's a fairly daunting task, but if you want to do real programming for the Neo, you'll need to know how to program in C++, or possibly Python. With regards to themes - not sure how they'll be configured, though probably

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
Ryan - Someone suggested getting VMWare setting up a Ubuntu VM ... this is a -great- suggestion since you're running OSX, -if- you have an Intel-Mac. If you have a PPC-Mac, then this is not an option (AFAIK), and you'll need to either (1) install Linux on another hard drive / partition

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Ryan Kline
VMWare does not support OS X. Can you be more specific about Ubuntu, what I am supposed to get exactly. I've heard of C++, what is the best way to get started? What is Python? For my mockups, should I just use the example pics from the press release? Thanks, ryan On Feb 12, 2007, at

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
VMWare does not support OS X. They have a beta for Intel-Mac OSX. Nothing for PPC Mac though. Expect a full release this summer, with all the great features of their other VM players. Can you be more specific about Ubuntu, what I am supposed to get exactly. Ubuntu is a Linux

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Ryan Kline
Woah! That's a lot of information. Let me try to peice it together: I have both a PPC and an Intel-Mac, Do I just download the Linux VMWare? It doesn't seem to have support for Os X. What is OE/BB? Are you saying i need to program in a Linux environment? Thanks, ryan On Feb 12, 2007, at

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
I have both a PPC and an Intel-Mac, Do I just download the Linux VMWare? It doesn't seem to have support for Os X. You download a VMWare beta fusion for Intel-Mac: http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/fusion/ Then you download an Ubuntu ISO or a VMWare Ubuntu application:

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
You didn't have to call me a noobjk (im not a fan of nerd speak). Get used to it ;) Thanks so much, that is really what I was looking for. By running Linux, I will be prepared when someone releases an OpenMoko programming suite, right? In theory, yes, by running Linux you'll be

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Florent THIERY
What is Python? A scripting language. Much like perl, or bash/sh/csh/tcsh scripts - or AppleScipt if you've done that. Or MATLAB. That's great ! I didn't know there was python involved in openmoko... What parts? The networking one? (twisted?)

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded
You can also use Parallels Desktop for OS X at www.parallels.com. Works like a charm for me. -- Terrence Michael Dickens wrote: VMWare does not support OS X. They have a beta for Intel-Mac OSX. Nothing for PPC Mac though. Expect a full release this summer, with all the great features of

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
Parallels isn't free, yes? The VMware fusion beta currently is ... of course, it's beta so its utility might not be that great; should be $99 once it's released (maybe beta testers can get a discount? I don't know). I actually use Parallels right now, though I need to try out the VMware

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded
Parallels is $79, sometimes they run offers at $49. Money well spent IMO. It runs very well and increases my productivity greatly because I can run multiple OSes quickly and reliably. I believe they will shortly release a tool to convert with VMware images. I assume VMware will be a good option

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread michael
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Ryan Kline wrote: I have looked at numerous websites and I am still very confused about what I need to write stuff for OpenMoko (Mostly UI). I use Mac OS X, and I don't have a whole lot of prior coding experience. I learn pretty quickly, though. Does anyone know of

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Michael Dickens
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'd like to check it out, and possibly write a recipe for setting up in this. Simplest: Setup the VM with Ubuntu 6.10; follow instructions on OpenMoko wiki. I don't think a special script will be very useful here since there isn't much (if

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded
Parallels is a virtualization environment. Once installed it gives you an black DOS screen in a OS X window, saying Please insert boot disk. From there on it behaves like any PC so you can install any x86 OS you like. I have not yet tried to set up OE, but since you'll probably install Linux on

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded
Absolutely. There have been several discussions on this, and there are efforts underway to create appropriate projects. I believe there will be Java ME as well as Java SE ports. I personally will be involved in seeing the Java ME port along. Stay tuned. -- Terrence Martin Lefkowitz wrote: We

Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)

2007-02-12 Thread Christopher Heiny
On Monday 12 February 2007 14:26, picked up the following transmission from Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded: Absolutely. There have been several discussions on this, and there are efforts underway to create appropriate projects. I believe there will be Java ME as well as Java