Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-28 Thread Michael
On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote: Awesome details. I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). You should try looking up some old ZX Spectrum assembly routines, because

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-28 Thread Hugo Mills
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:55:49PM +0100, Michael wrote: On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote: Awesome details. I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). You

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Yogiz
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:56:35 -0400 Chris Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/22 Lothar Behrens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an emergency call. Lothar With my current phone, you can make emergency calls on it, even if the phone

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer
Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait. There's no point in forcing that kind of thing down others' throat but that could be an optional image. If the lock is easy,

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait. There's no point in forcing that kind of

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread robin paulson
Lothar Behrens wrote: problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people can do in the sort of high-stress situation which

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am Samstag, den 23.08.2008, 10:42 +0200 schrieb Federico Lorenzi: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Clemens Kirchgatterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC GSM audio can be routed directly through without using the CPU. Also if you had to program an emergency number before hand, you wouldn't

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am 23.08.2008 um 11:15 schrieb robin paulson: I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by pressing and go into an emergency mode. This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Yogiz
the point i was making is that when people are in stressful situations they panic; even something as simple as selecting a different option at boot-time becomes difficult. the point about the screen lock was an example to illustrate my main point. there are many more i could have chosen,

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Gilles Casse
Hello, It time is very critical, it seems better to let the phone continuously on. Otherwise is this scenario acceptable (automatic call after 3 minutes): the phone is off, the user still holds the power on button while the kernel is starting (say during 5 seconds or more), when the OS is

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-23 Thread Fabian Henze
Am Samstag, 23. August 2008 19:04:18 schrieb Gilles Casse: It time is very critical, it seems better to let the phone continuously on. Otherwise is this scenario acceptable (automatic call after 3 minutes): the phone is off, the user still holds the power on button while the kernel is

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-22 Thread Cédric DUFOUIL
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Vikas Saurabh [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Awesome details. I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). --Vikas I totally agree with you ! Very

Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-22 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am 22.08.2008 um 03:20 schrieb Vikas Saurabh: Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) Hi, besides of

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-22 Thread Kalle Happonen
Jeff Sadowski wrote: snip the whole reason to buy a freerunner is the fact that they support linux. snip Isn't the whole reason to buy a freerunner, that you are free to do whatever you like with it? :) (the name could give a hint...) Kalle Happonen

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-22 Thread robin paulson
Lothar Behrens wrote: besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I like to ask another question: There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. And the commentary was 'How to take an emergency call ?' Would such a specialized uImage.bin

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-22 Thread Lothar Behrens
Am Freitag, den 22.08.2008, 21:48 +1200 schrieb robin paulson: Lothar Behrens wrote: besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I like to ask another question: There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. And the commentary was

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-22 Thread Alex Osborne
On 22/08/2008, at 1:19 PM, Vikas Saurabh wrote: I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). Here you go, I wrote an extremely simple example program:

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-22 Thread Stroller
On 22 Aug 2008, at 09:56, Kalle Happonen wrote: Jeff Sadowski wrote: snip the whole reason to buy a freerunner is the fact that they support linux. snip Isn't the whole reason to buy a freerunner, that you are free to do whatever you like with it? :) (the name could give a hint...)

Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

2008-08-22 Thread Chris Wright
2008/8/22 Lothar Behrens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an emergency call. Lothar With my current phone, you can make emergency calls on it, even if the phone is locked. It happened to me once. I got a call a few minutes later from the call

Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Vikas Saurabh
Hi All, I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow get the flash image of the OS)? Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a Hello World program that I compile completely statically?

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread David Samblas
Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen him , run away as far as you can, El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: Hi All, I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a point to a friend of mine. So, can we install

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Vikas Saurabh
Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) --Vikas PS: On a lighter note, I cant run away from that friend, he sits

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Jeff Sadowski
Yes you could it would be the same as putting windows ce on a gumstix. When I first read this I was thinking I had to set someone straight. You probably already know this but I will say it anyways. You can buy a phone with windows ce on it already and it would be cheaper and could do all the same

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Jeff Sadowski
you would need to replace uboot its ugly On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Vikas Saurabh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Vikas Saurabh
Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing them. I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during college...but then maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Jeff Sadowski
you can with a normal OS windows has its own bootloader On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Vikas Saurabh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Vikas Saurabh
Ohh...I guess you mean that it would not be possible to load windows kernel and tell it about the partition info etc so that it can continue booting. I think that is fine. I would be more than happy to have my program start up by uboot. Windows was just an example that my friend had set up.

RE: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Lin Mac
@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Windows CE on freerunner Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing them. I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during college

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Alex Osborne
On 22/08/2008, at 11:41 AM, Vikas Saurabh wrote: Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing them. Indeed, that's exactly what it does. It loads the kernel image into

Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Vikas Saurabh
Awesome details. I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, so would stick to the morse code idea :). Would send out the details (and wiki them). --Vikas On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Alex Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/08/2008, at 11:41 AM, Vikas Saurabh