Re: Not just a phone (was: Re: ancient hardware?)

2008-07-07 Thread Steven **
I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P -Steven On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter, your

Not just a phone (was: Re: ancient hardware?)

2008-07-07 Thread Michael Shiloh
Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the past few months. Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location awa

Re: ancient hardware? - Software matters

2008-07-07 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Tilman Yeah, I feel exactly the same way as Wolfgang. Actually I've forward this email to many of our internal people just to make absolute sure they read it. Your comments seriously made my day. -Sean Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > thank you so much! > You cannot believe how hard people at

Re: ancient hardware? - Software matters

2008-07-07 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
thank you so much! You cannot believe how hard people at Openmoko work and getting a mail like yours rewards many of us for 12+ hours working days. It's a long way, lots of hardware and software bugs, we know it. I like your 'bad teeth' analogy :-) Wolfgang On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Tilman B

Re: ancient hardware?

2008-07-07 Thread Stroller
On 7 Jul 2008, at 04:02, Ajit Natarajan wrote: > ... > The Calypso GSM chip dates back to 2000. This is from the leaked > hardware definition manual revision history [3]. > ... > I haven't looked at the other chips. > > From the above, the GSM chip looks ancient. ... > > So, I don't understand t

Re: ancient hardware? - Software matters

2008-07-07 Thread Tilman Baumann
I never had a phone for the last decade. Mostly out of protest against the ridiculous data rates and prices on GSM. And because all phones sucked. I had sworn me, when UMTS would comes out and the prices are ok, i will buy a phone. UMTS came, the prices where ok but the phones still sucked. And i

Re: ancient hardware?

2008-07-07 Thread Andy Selby
> So, I don't understand the comments on ancient parts. What have we > compromised on by choosing these parts? There was a previous discussion on this subject that boils down to the latest components needed to be bought in bulk, i.e. 500,000 peices, FIC couldn't justify buying so much so went wi

Re: ancient hardware?

2008-07-07 Thread AVee
On Monday 07 July 2008 05:02, Ajit Natarajan wrote: > Hello, ... > So, I don't understand the comments on ancient parts. What have we > compromised on by choosing these parts? Hardware choice will always be a compromise. In this case it's largly between performance, price, size and energy usag

Re: ancient hardware?

2008-07-06 Thread Peter Harrison
I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies making available only applications which earn them money you have not really seen the same kind of innovati

ancient hardware?

2008-07-06 Thread Ajit Natarajan
Hello, I've seen a number of remarks on this list that the hardware in the FR is ancient and this is the price of openness and freedom. I did a quick search for some of the parts: The Samsung 2442 SoC seems to date back to 2005. I got this from the revision history in the user manual [1]. Th