Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
On 2/16/07, Esra Kummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the Wifi will not be integrated in the first Neo 1973, but is there a chance for a hardware addon? Has someone some information about that? Cheers Esra Neo1973 will have a USB interface capable of connecting to a WiFi adapter. But you will

Re: R: Camera and MMS

2007-02-17 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
I went to Honeywell in Minnesota once for a meeting. At the security booth inside the building there were two big signs . The first said No Guns the second said No Cameras. I had two thoughts. The first was I'm glad I left my guncamera at home. The second was what goes on here on a Saturday

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread Martin Lefkowitz
It would be more of a mistake to have the device delayed for developers for another 3-6 months because they can't get the system to work because it's too complicated with two different types of microwave coming into the same device. My suspicion is that you would be complaining about that too,

RE: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread David Schlesinger
This is a BIG hardware design mistake IMHO. I think you should go right out and build your _own_ phone. Tell us all about it when you get done. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richi Plana schreef: On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 07:23 -0700, Ben Burdette wrote: It would be nice to have an emulator to actually run the software over on the computer side. Not that that's the best way to have a desktop side to openmoko, but in the

RE: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Dean Collins
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Koen Kooi Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 11:37 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: OpenMoko Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: Software Emulator -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dean Collins schreef: Yeh right, personally after my experiences with development on the Savaje OS last year anyone coding without a 100 authentic emulator is wasting their time. Right, Savaje doesn't reuse desktop technology (java doesn't

RE: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Dean Collins
Koen, You think you're so right about architecture and software development that you are writing code when less than 3 weeks ago an email was sent to the entire list stating that there had been some hardware changes... Yeh right, so the manufacturer is still bedding down the design and

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 12:24 schrieb t3st3r: P.S. As for me, I'm still do not understand, why there is no WI-FI built in. This is a BIG hardware design mistake IMHO. It does not make sense to complain here about the (missing) hardware features. If you urgently need wifi in a phone

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Richi Plana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess what I'm trying to ask here is that IF qemu can be made to emulate the Neo1973, THEN what must be done to do so QEMU is pretty easily extended to simulate additional virtual devices. I think it should be straightforward (though not quick) to make

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Michael Welter
A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? Koen Kooi wrote: What do you want to emulate? If it's the cpu, qemu can do that, but not 100%, so you still need a real arm920t device to test on. If it's the screen, you don't have a 300dpi screen on your

Debug board uses (was Re: Software Emulator)

2007-02-17 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Welter schreef: A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? A debug board would have 2 main uses for me: 1) a serial console so you can debug problems with X or initscripts 2) access to jtag so you

Re: Software Emulator

2007-02-17 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Michael Welter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? A debug board lets you do things like running gdb on the remote kernel, which is invaluable if things are really really screwed up. If you turn your phone into a brick by

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread t3st3r
David Schlesinger wrote: This is a BIG hardware design mistake IMHO. I think you should go right out and build your _own_ phone. Tell us all about it when you get done. Kinda strange reply. I have to admit your reply is completely useless and even looks like an insult. Next time please

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread t3st3r
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Another, probably better, option is a bluetooth access point. Yes but it will have insignificant coverage. So it will be hardly limited to my home. Still something and better than nothing. P.S. As for me, I'm still do not understand, why there is no WI-FI built in.

Copyrights in the wiki

2007-02-17 Thread denis
I got a question. Is it allowed to post screenshots from MacOS applications and use them as a reference for the layout and look of the phone? For example here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date_%26_Time_Preview Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread t3st3r
Oleg Gusev wrote: Am Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 12:24 schrieb t3st3r: P.S. As for me, I'm still do not understand, why there is no WI-FI built in. This is a BIG hardware design mistake IMHO. It does not make sense to complain here about the (missing) hardware features. Okay,

Re: mFAQ (was: openmoko articles)

2007-02-17 Thread Doug Parker
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Make THEM want to come to US...well, not *make* them, but provide the easy way to amenably and quickly get the right info in their inbox. Use the tools we've got to scale the effort in our favor as best we can. The goal is to make it 1) -easy for us to

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:57 schrieb t3st3r: hacking linux to HTC and getting wi-fi to work is not impossible ... The screenshots id=88 and id=89 at http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=3 are showing openmoko running on HTC Universal. WiFi is disabled because (guess(!)) openmoko

Re: Debug board uses (was Re: Software Emulator)

2007-02-17 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Koen Kooi wrote: A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a debug board? A debug board would have 2 main uses for me: 1) a serial console so you can debug problems with X or initscripts 2) access to jtag so you fix the bootloader if something went wrong with uboot

Which colors will be available for the phase 1?

2007-02-17 Thread kkr
Do we already know which colors will be available for the phase 1? On internet, I saw images (computer generated images?) having the following colors: - black/silver - white/green - white/orange - white/red On the official Web site, I saw only these:

Re: Wifi again

2007-02-17 Thread ryan lerch
I have added a bit more information to the wiki about the exclusion of wifi. i have tried to summarise the information that was discussed in this thread. Please have a read and edit at will :P hopefully, with this documented in the wiki, if this discussion comes up again, we can point the

Content from the old wiki to the new wiki

2007-02-17 Thread ryan lerch
The content transfer from the old wiki (http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/) to the new one (http://wiki.openmoko.org/) is about 1/3 complete. if you have some spare time, and are not a developer as such, yet want to help out, feel free to help us transfer this content over. for a

Re: Copyrights in the wiki

2007-02-17 Thread Ole Tange
On 2/17/07, denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a question. Is it allowed to post screenshots from MacOS applications and use them as a reference for the layout and look of the phone? For example here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date_%26_Time_Preview I would recommend against it. The wiki