On 7/17/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The QUERTY keyboard is 14 keys wide on a 55mm wide screen (and it has
bevels). That makes 3.9 mm per key. It's a bit painful, but I use it
with fingers all the time (fingernails rather). Keys twice that size
should work just fine.
Although the
On 7/17/07, Clare Johnstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jonathon, How would you manage when there are a lot of names? My
phone is also
my phone book, and has pages of names in small print. This is why I
Hmm, looking at my current phone (which has a keyboard below the
(small) display, this is
Is it possible to get the phones shipped with anyone other than UPS?
The fact that the shipping to South Africa is $148.97 and the phone is
$300 just makes it impossible to order (this excl taxes etc).
And with the Oct Phase 2 phone going for $450 + whatever taxes, shipping
etc on-top to get it
On 17.07.2007 08:32:24, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
On 7/17/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The QUERTY keyboard is 14 keys wide on a 55mm wide screen (and it has
bevels). That makes 3.9 mm per key. It's a bit painful, but I use it
with fingers all the time (fingernails rather). Keys
On 7/16/07, Visti Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps a different name different locations ;o)
The Phone for The Matrix tm.
The One Phone for Mddle-earth.
The Next Generation Phone for Star Trek tm conventions.
The True Phone for religious occasions.
Ok, that's not a bad idea.
On 08:48:28 2007-07-17 Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible to get the phones shipped with anyone other than UPS?
The fact that the shipping to South Africa is $148.97 and the phone is
$300 just makes it impossible to order (this excl taxes etc).
And with the Oct
a wheel dialer, like the good old phones? or maybe a exagonal layot, you
know, with the keys fully filling the part assigned to them, i hope you
understand. Or even some sort of panning and zooming dialer, like you see
the whole dialer, then you press on key, and it zooms to such a degree that
The Open Phone
Our Phone
The Human Phone (ok, sounds a bit like Ubuntu)
Free your Phone (wich obviously is not the same as The free phone. It
sounds good, and is already used in the youtube ads)
More then a Phone
Phone++
The Phone from people to people
The Freedom Phone
Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7
On 7/17/07, Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible to get the phones shipped with anyone other than UPS?
The fact that the shipping to South Africa is $148.97 and the phone is
$300 just makes it impossible to order (this excl taxes etc).
And with the Oct Phase 2 phone
Benjamin Schieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Myself, I'm frustrated with the hardware keys on 'modern' phones. They
are small, hard to press, offer little to no feedback and bounce back
and forth.
An improved on-screen keyboard or even libgstroke bindings would be
way better for input.
I
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti:
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the
respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hate gmail and complain to them all you want, please don't imply the
list should be broken because of that.
I shan't continue
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/16/us-and-eu-nearing-agreement-on-gps-galileo-partnership/
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:16:24PM +0100, Ian Stirling wrote:
Ewan Oughton wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Ian Stirling wrote:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Galileo.2FGLONASS.2FGPS_receiver
GLONASS?
Isn't that the Soviet GPS-alike that is mostly dead? What's
So, Lefty;
What can you share about Access and ALP and the relationship to OpenMoko
and/or other open source efforts (realizing that you probably can't
spill all the beans :-)? Given your comments about former employer
Apple, and activity on this list, seems open source software must be
On 13:25:09 2007-07-17 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/17/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti:
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the
respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the respond-to
adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Having the list server change the reply-to header is wrong. Please read
http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful
I don't use Gmail, but a quick google search tells me
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Giles Jones wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote:
I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are
putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different
things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with
the
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote:
The Open Phone
Our Phone
Just oPhone
I've always dislike the I and My stuff.
digger
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Phil Schaffner wrote:
So, Lefty;
What can you share about Access and ALP and the relationship to OpenMoko
and/or other open source efforts (realizing that you probably can't spill all
the beans :-)? Given your comments about former employer Apple, and activity
on this list, seems open
oPhone sounds great too...
but not this oPhone:
http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=79996a20-e2de-4757-8d22-dfc5a44acfc7
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On 7/17/07, digger vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote:
The Open Phone
Our Phone
Just oPhone
I've
Digger Vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Just oPhone
I've always dislike the I and My stuff.
Not even sure it should be branded as just a phone.
Always preferred the communicator label myself :)
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Great video! the OFone, which way is up on this thing?
I'd rather not go with oPhone, it sounds derivative of the iPhone. Like
the openmoko phone is a cheap wannabe iPhone. I don't people to have
that impression.
What about a nice industrial-style alphanumeric designation - like the
'FIC
Ben Burdette wrote:
Great video! the OFone, which way is up on this thing?
I'd rather not go with oPhone, it sounds derivative of the iPhone. Like
the openmoko phone is a cheap wannabe iPhone. I don't people to have
that impression.
What about a nice industrial-style alphanumeric
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 16:14, Al Johnson wrote:
My typo - no mail client configured on that machine. The issue is that with
gcc-3.4.6 configured mtn --version returns the not found errors above, so
it never gets to build qemu. With 4.1.2 mtn works, but qemu fails to build
even though it's
That's great that you have the dexterity to use your fingernails to poke
at tiny buttons, but what about the wider audience? Do you think Aunt
Jane or Uncle Leo would feel comfortable operating a phone with such
tiny buttons? Is this even a relevant question? Is the phone being
marketed to them?
Robin Paulson writes:
it's nothing to do with gmail. the reply-to field has not been set on
the openmoko mail server, so replies to messages default to the
sender. this is fine in most cases, but not on mailing lists
This has been discussed to death in the past, with no consensus on
what proper
Moblin, a mobile Linux project started by Intel.
While it's tied to their hardware it still may have useful code at some point.
News story:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9302797289.html
Link:
http://www.moblin.org
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On Tuesday 17 July 2007 17:38, Giles Jones wrote:
Moblin, a mobile Linux project started by Intel.
While it's tied to their hardware it still may have useful code at some
point.
FWICS it's a x86 only project for now, it's much closer from all aspects to a
desktop than to a smartphone.
Hi,
I've been on the list since end of march and I really love this project.
I am planning to buy a Phase 2 phone but there is still something to
know before.
Somewhere I read that FIC will likely sell the phase 2 to phase 1 owners
for something like $150 (instead of $300 - yes, I know that
Quoting Christian Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Doug Jones schrieb:
Assuming one has an appropriate cable, and assuming one can find some
way to get power into the thing, it ought to be possible to make it work
with the Neo. (The Neo that is hopefully shipping next week, the one
without
Am Montag, 16. Juli 11:32 schrieb Al Johnson:
i'm agree --- a good (simple installing ) development envirement can be
important for the whole neo projekt (think of an simple eclipse-plugin ...
you just install is ... and have fun. (with sample basic hello-world neo
example and a good
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 16:54:45 Ian Darwin wrote:
What about a nice industrial-style alphanumeric designation - like the
'FIC A1'. Or OM1. Or FS1, whatever.
Well, you know, we're pretty far off the topic I started here. The phone
being sold now *is* called the FIC Neo1973, period.
IMHO
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 11:25:09PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
On 7/17/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 09:59 +0200, ramsesoriginal kirjoitti:
p.s. i hate the way gmail handles this list. couldn't we have the
respond-to adress set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hate
Attila Csipa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
FWICS it's a x86 only project for now, it's much closer from all aspects to a
desktop than to a smartphone.
It did look more like a UMPC project. But still, the interface is touch screen
and with fingers.
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G O Jones
I was hoping for more feedback in the process of ordering and receiving a
phone. Not that I'm in a rush, or anything
Has anyone gotten the 'payment received' email?
--Dan
On 7/16/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16 Jul 2007, at 23:00, Daniel Robinson wrote:
I ordered a
I was actually thinking of a linearized rotary dial. You basically have
a scrollbar on one the side of the screen. All you would do is drag the
slider down until you see the character you want and then let go. The
slider will then spring back to the top.
Perhaps using text prediction you can have
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:59 AM, ramsesoriginal wrote:
Teh ub3rz h4ck70r7 Ph0n3!!11oneeleven
Perfect. :')
Honestly, I don't think this is something that one needs to worry
about. What's going to happen if OpenMoko really becomes usable is
that various vendors will adopt it in markets
On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was hoping for more feedback in the process of ordering and receiving a
phone.
Me too. I really like how lumenlab described everything that was happening
with the shipment of their new evo 1.2 projectors in their recent blog
entries:
Dear Community,
Our first batch of phones have landed in the States and cleared customs.
We had to split things into two shipments. The second half will come
later this week.
Before the end of this week you should see a charge on your credit cards.
Sorry for our sub-optimal handling of the
On 7/17/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry for our sub-optimal handling of the logistics for phase 1. We
promise to get this fix in the _very_ near future.
Heh, you can tell how often FOSS folk sell things, and how experienced
FIC is at direct-to-user sales. This first round
Sean, probably a dumb question, but I'm leaving for IETF on Saturday,
so I'm really hoping that my two-day delivery will get the phone here
by Friday. I don't desperately need it before IETF - I just don't
want it sitting on my front stoop for a week (well, for that part of
a week before
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.freeopenmoko.com/
Weird, huh?
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What are the projects of interest for people?
I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's phone
that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently targeted at
children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure tether point. I want the
phone to be tethered to my
On 07/18/2007 Joe Friedrichsen wrote:
On 7/17/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry for our sub-optimal handling of the logistics for phase 1. We
promise to get this fix in the _very_ near future.
Heh, you can tell how often FOSS folk sell things, and how experienced
FIC is
Ted Lemon wrote:
Sean, probably a dumb question, but I'm leaving for IETF on Saturday, so
I'm really hoping that my two-day delivery will get the phone here by
Friday. I don't desperately need it before IETF - I just don't want it
sitting on my front stoop for a week (well, for that part of
wow... really interesting that the people in the testimonials already have
theirs even though the first shipment just got through customs... they must
have P0 versions.
also interesting that the whois record for that domain is private
On 7/17/07, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone
On 17 Jul 2007, at 18:55, Ted Lemon wrote:
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.freeopenmoko.com/
Weird, huh?
Makes you wonder if any marketing is needed, so far that's one on
ebay, a website on getting one free.
Some people will try anything.
Haha, I love the testimonials. Considering they haven't exactly shipped yet.
On 7/17/07, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.freeopenmoko.com/
Weird, huh?
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Ted Lemon wrote:
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.freeopenmoko.com/
Weird, huh?
Wow. That is super weird.
Did you follow the click here to start link? It seems to be a front to
something called ezyrewards. My guess is that it's a phishing website,
collecting
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Jeff Andros wrote:
wow... really interesting that the people in the testimonials already have
theirs even though the first shipment just got through customs... they must
have P0 versions.
also interesting that the whois record for that domain is private
On 7/17/07, Ted
On 17 Jul 2007, at 18:58, Daniel Robinson wrote:
What are the projects of interest for people?
I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's
phone that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently
targeted at children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow. That is super weird.
Did you follow the click here to start link? It seems to be a front to
something called ezyrewards. My guess is that it's a phishing website,
collecting addresses for resale to spammers.
What's really interesting is that OpenMoko made it
I made the suggest of openmokoforums.com/org until I saw the same douche
that squatted motorazer.com already registered it.
Also I can guarantee MS, apple, nokia, palm, and countless individuals
know and follow this project.
-adam
neo1973.com taken...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue,
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:22:55 +0100
Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 17 Jul 2007, at 18:58, Daniel Robinson wrote:
What are the projects of interest for people?
I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's
phone that was not as brain-dead as the phones
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:56:19 -0400
Clay Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Christian Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Doug Jones schrieb:
Assuming one has an appropriate cable, and assuming one can find some
way to get power into the thing, it ought to be possible to make it work
it's nothing to do with gmail. the reply-to field has not been set on
the openmoko mail server, so replies to messages default to the
sender. this is fine in most cases, but not on mailing lists
Pressing 'a' to reply-to all in gmail is just fine:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:25:49 +0200
Visti Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:56:19 -0400
Clay Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Christian Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Doug Jones schrieb:
Assuming one has an appropriate cable, and assuming one can find
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:56:19PM -0400, Clay Williams wrote:
If you do decide to go this route (building a 5V supply), you can power
it from
the neo's 3.7V battery with an LM2621 chip from national semiconductor. It
claims to have 87% efficiency converting 3.6V to 5V with a 500 mA load.
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Daniel Robinson wrote:
What are the projects of interest for people?
I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's phone
that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently targeted at
children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure tether
Some iPhone flaws we should watch out for:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/17/iphone_phishing_risk/
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ti, 2007-07-17 kello 21:47 +0200, Visti Andresen kirjoitti:
And finally one more sour lemon, as far as I remember this version of the
Neo only has USB 1. That will limit the maximum network speed to 11Mb/s
and that even before deducting USB protocol and driver waste of bits...
I don't know if
Adam Krikstone wrote:
6. There needs to be some kind of openmokoforums.com.
forums.openmoko.org ? We could certainly create that.
posting, My phone doesn't work. Help me.
We actually have brokenmoko.com/org for these ;-)
- Werner
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On 7/17/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need a good use for GPS, I want something like Tomtom but this
How about POI[1] tracking?
Simple idea: when the Neo user enters a POI, she or he presses a
button (read: starts a program), the GPS waypoint is recorded, perhaps
the program asks
I like this last one.
We should populate the wiki wishlist with all these ideas, no ?
They should not be buried in a mailing list.
Mickael
On 7/18/07, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/17/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need a good use for GPS, I want something like
I am interested in a centralized locations system that replaces the address
/ phone numbers system, which stores actual physical locations along with
GPS coordinates.
Ideally, it would be encouraged that every application which could use it
did use it. For example, sharing locations between
Daniel Robinson wrote:
What are the projects of interest for people?
I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's phone
that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently targeted at
children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure tether point. I want
the
On 17 Jul 2007, at 23:30, Mickael Faivre-Macon wrote:
I like this last one.
We should populate the wiki wishlist with all these ideas, no ?
They should not be buried in a mailing list.
Mickael
There's a website which will convert a file with an NMEA log file
into a Google Earth route.
An official forum is even better. Creating one should clean the lists
up for better use by developers and contain the general public to a
certain area after GTA02 is released.
I really thought you were being facetious about brokenmoko.com/org.
-adam
Werner Almesberger wrote:
Adam Krikstone
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
ti, 2007-07-17 kello 21:47 +0200, Visti Andresen kirjoitti:
And finally one more sour lemon, as far as I remember this version of the
Neo only has USB 1. That will limit the maximum network speed to 11Mb/s
and that even before deducting USB protocol and driver waste of
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 05:42 -0700, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote:
Phil Schaffner wrote:
So, Lefty;
What can you share about Access and ALP and the relationship to
OpenMoko and/or other open source efforts (realizing that you
probably can't spill all the beans :-)? Given your comments
David Duardo skrev:
That's great that you have the dexterity to use your fingernails to poke
at tiny buttons, but what about the wider audience? Do you think Aunt
Jane or Uncle Leo would feel comfortable operating a phone with such
tiny buttons? Is this even a relevant question? Is the phone
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
On 7/17/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need a good use for GPS, I want something like Tomtom but this
Possible uses: can be combined with Google Maps or something like that
to give other people an idea of the travel route you have followed.
I plan on
On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What are the projects of interest for people?
For me it's all about the fact I've NEVER found a device that could
approach my Psion for functionality! Hopefully with OM I will get
something!
I'm dreaming of being able to fit a keyboard
On 7/17/07, Who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I'm dreaming of being able to fit a keyboard (perhaps an old one from
my Psion) snip
keyboard wise, I've been thinking of just using a bluetooth mini keyboard
for most of my big text entry...
I thought this interesting...not sure what the status of the browser for
openmoko is:
http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
According to the information this is not based on Minimo, but the same
components as Firefox. The download was 7 MB to my N800! Full AJAX support.
Jae
I was thinking something like this would be perfect to integrate with
twittervision. (www.twittervision.com) It's got a great API already, or
you can just make a post to twitter with a string like L:location
included. location can even be gps coordinates. So, if one could
just specify that
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