Re: Screenshots? (was: Balancing simplicity with complexity)

2007-08-25 Thread Edwin Lock
Then make sure that the system does never respond slowly! ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Clarify openmoko != Neo1973

2007-08-25 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 25 August 2007 00:52:48 Dylan McCall wrote: Openmoko.org's front page could show more than one smartphone running the system, or screenshots of it without any hardware visible. That may magically get the point across... Then you will have people buying a Motorola A1200 only to come

Re: Clarify openmoko != Neo1973

2007-08-25 Thread Ian Stirling
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Saturday 25 August 2007 00:52:48 Dylan McCall wrote: Openmoko.org's front page could show more than one smartphone running the system, or screenshots of it without any hardware visible. That may magically get the point across... Then you will have people buying a

Re: WiFi vs. speaker

2007-08-25 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Hi. Giles, your criticism is constructive and good so it leads to better device development. But there are some points that I don't agree. Giles Jones pisze: Port layout seemingly done at random, poor layout. USB/power connector better at bottom of device. No chance since there are

Re: USB Booting from a neo in mass storage mode ?

2007-08-25 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Ian Stirling pisze: In principle - trivial. In practice - the kernel driver to switch from USB device to host mode isn't yet implemented - it's relatively trivial - but hasn't been done yet. Also currenty not available without external hardware because USB port is not powered. Pendrive would

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia piątek, 24 sierpnia 2007, wim delvaux napisał: Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not have been a better solution to put things like

Re: WiFi vs. speaker

2007-08-25 Thread Ian Stirling
Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hi. Giles, your criticism is constructive and good so it leads to better device development. But there are some points that I don't agree. Giles Jones pisze: Port layout seemingly done at random, poor layout. USB/power connector better at bottom of

Earliest possible release date for GTA02 - is it past October?

2007-08-25 Thread Ian Stirling
It would be nice to have some information on this. Is it still plausible that if everything falls right, GTA02 can be produced in volume, in time for purchased units to be supplied in volume to developers in October? Or is this now looking unlikely. (We all of course understand that

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Lorn Potter
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia piątek, 24 sierpnia 2007, wim delvaux napisał: Knowing that the device is now about 6 months late and looking at the overall stability and completeness of the GUI (List of issues is still long perhaps too long ?) I wonder if it would not

Re: WiFi vs. speaker

2007-08-25 Thread Jeff Andros
On 8/25/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memory card under the SIM card (why? there's seemingly loads of space). If there would be USB2 there will be no need to remove SD card much often. But still SD will be removed more often that SIM card, so maybe it

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia niedziela, 26 sierpnia 2007, Lorn Potter napisał: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: The problem with QTopia is that you will get GPL version (so no commercial applications for it) or will force OpenMoko into license payments. OpenMoko Neo is a 'free' phone, why would

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Paul Eggleton
Before I start, I will state that I am absolutely *not* suggesting that OpenMoko move to Qtopia 4 - I simply wish to respond to some of your points. On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: There was lot of stuff for old Qtopia versions (1.5-2.2) but none of them can be just built for

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Ben Burdette
For me LGPL is proper license for such device. It allows to write free applications which will use any license (all those hackers which you listed) AND it allows to write commercial stuff. But after you add closed source software, the phone is not totally free anymore. Don't you see

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-25 Thread Attila Csipa
On Saturday 25 August 2007 23:10:48 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: commercial Qtopia Phone or wrote whole phone subsystem from scratch as there is no phone functionality in Qtopia4/GPL. Ahem, they DID write the phone subsystem from scratch anyway AFAIK :) I'm a bit surprised that nobody mentioned

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-25 Thread openmoko
Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... Why am I putting up with all this frustration reading about others who -have- their phones and why should I

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-25 Thread Ian Stirling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... I'm sure that if you show up with a billion dollars, you will be at the front of

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-25 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
You all do not understand the concept of a development release - and maybe you never will. Everybody who ordered knew what he would get, everybody had the possibility to check what will work and what will not. Sorry guys, but please just shut up. (P.S. To not casting a damning light on FIC or

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-25 Thread Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... Why don't I get respect from a company I'm trying to support at my expense? I

Re: Earliest possible release date for GTA02 - is it past October?

2007-08-25 Thread Steven **
See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/009491.html On 8/25/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to have some information on this. Is it still plausible that if everything falls right, GTA02 can be produced in volume, in time for purchased units to

Re: external SD slot

2007-08-25 Thread Aria Stewart
If there would be USB2 there will be no need to remove SD card much often. But still SD will be removed more often that SIM card, so maybe it should be somewhere else. Some phones had a SIM card slot directly in case like laptops have SD slots (if they have). Maybe Neo can have SD slot at