On Jan 24, 2008 10:19 PM, Valery Reznic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can it be used to fix gllin then?
Yes.
I packed gllin on my OABI system and Alessando tested
it on his EABI.
Does it still need some extra libs that are not included with the OM
images, or were the extra libs in the gllin
On Jan 25, 2008 8:53 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recently looked into the change history of the dedicated MacOS X
page in the wiki and I have got the impression that I am the only one
still doing something and improving the interworking between the Mac
and OpenMoko:
--- Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 24, 2008 10:19 PM, Valery Reznic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can it be used to fix gllin then?
Yes.
I packed gllin on my OABI system and Alessando
tested
it on his EABI.
Does it still need some extra libs that are not
included with
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:16:37 +0100, Etienne Labaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Selon Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever
heard of.
Probably France is the dumbest country right now about taxes and other
stupid
stuff...
No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard
of.
Don't worry, French geeks are pissed off as well
Yeah, almost every tax talked about in this thread exists in France. But how
do we avoid the Neo to be taxable ?
As said, if you don't sell the phone with an
Hello Michael,
first of all: thanks for your hard work.
Now to the question.
The wiki page on shipping says that the GTA01 was shipped with 450 resp.
300 USD as given market value instead of the recommended (and correct) 0
USD market value for testing/dev equipment.
I understand the first
Hi Nikolaus.
I'm working on OS X and am still waiting on a phone I can buy and use.
For some reason, I didn't order a GTA01 at the time and then came back
from a US trip where I've uses SIP a lot in hotels/motels and other
places which led me to insist on Wifi-support on the phone (free
Is my impression wrong or have you all already bought an iPodTouch
or iPhone and waits for the SDK?
i'm working fulltime on a macbook pro, but for all my openmoko work i
just use ubuntustudio on parallels .. there's no real need, from my
point of view, to have native apps when VM just
Le vendredi 25 janvier 2008 à 10:37 +0100, Steven Le Roux a écrit :
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:16:37 +0100, Etienne Labaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Selon Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever
heard of.
Probably
Is my impression wrong or have you all already bought an iPodTouch or
iPhone and waits for the SDK?
Please raise your hands...
Nikolaus (hns)
(Hand is raised.)
Guilty as charged. As I have mentioned before, the iPhone is a Golden
Form Factor device. I think of it more as a Quarter
Program can be downloaded here:
http://magicErmine/downloads.html
This is great! I wonder if we can use this to finally package up the
gps stuff and make it an easily-installed package .. ?
;
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--- Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know what libraries included with OM,
but once gllin is packed everything it's need are
inside, so gllin.ermine can run ever on system
without
ld-linux, glibc, etc
great, can we now take this new gllin.ermine and put
it in a proper
I don't know what libraries included with OM,
but once gllin is packed everything it's need are
inside, so gllin.ermine can run ever on system without
ld-linux, glibc, etc
great, can we now take this new gllin.ermine and put it in a proper
package then, so that gps just plain works on gta01
On Friday 25 January 2008 01:00:06 Fabian Olesen wrote:
this will not work in denmark, because the phone will be deemed capable
of doing it.
Why?
The phone itself isn't capable to play anything until you add the software. It
has a stereo audio circuitry, but it could be used just to listen and
So in short, what happens after the GTA02?
I think anyone who's involved in getting this device to market is not
thinking that far ahead as their time is taken up with the GTA02 (now
called Freerunner)
... that is cloud thinking at the moment.
You answered your own question
On Jan 25, 2008 7:11 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In other words, like it or not, if this patent is valid (who knows)
and its scope is what it looks like (I'm not a lawyer) it will have a
significant impact on the *phone* world.
In other words, *you* consider GTA to be a *phone*,
I'm puzzled why you responded *twice* to the same email. And I'm sure
somehow you missed the email that was actually a response to your
first answer.
Again, since you seem to have missed it. The thing that you say no one
will opt for (over the air maps), is the way that millions of phones
per
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=280Category=2Lid=1
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On Jan 25, 2008 8:14 PM, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 25, 2008 5:42 PM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, since you seem to have missed it. The thing that you say no one
will opt for (over the air maps), is the way that millions of phones
per month are shipped
I will also be using my device with OSX, I admit that I have not had any
free time since my job is keeping very busy at the moment. I have a GTA01
with the debug board. I will gladly beta/alpha test anything you feel like
writing.
On Jan 25, 2008 2:19 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Today, as already mentioned, Navit can use embedded maps from
OpenStreetMap or proprietary maps. Since France is not yet very
detailled in OSM, I am using an european map bought online, more than
2GB of flash are needed.
Nevertheless, even with these data, it would be interesting to
hank williams wrote:
Hmm... ok, so it comes with it but you cant use it without paying?
You can use TeleNav if you know where you are and where you're going.
You only have to pay the extra $10 for the TeleNav service to use the
GPS on the phone. Without the GPS, it'll still give you the
let's move this thread to blackberry, iPhone, or google forum. I think we're
boring others here, because this is the *OpenMoko* forum, and i don't see how
the 'impact on *current* phone market' -however highly intriguing- has
anything in common with what we are talking here: **GTA**
j
hank williams wrote:
I don't think any phones are going to come with
navigation data built in.
To my knowldge, the Samsung Blackjack 2 from ATT includes maps from
TeleNav. You have to pay an extra $10/month to use GPS with those maps
of course, so I just use the Mobile Google Maps
The maps ARE on board for all common GPS car navis (really big
256MB-flash card e.g.).
In *cars*, not phones.
btw: there have been on-board(!) navi solutions for phones(!) even before
iPhone hit the market.
This is the *Openmoko* list. We're talking
*phones* here.
Sure bout that?
I
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:37:07 -0500 Duvelle Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
So in short, what happens after the GTA02?
GTA03 :)
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On Jan 25, 2008 7:47 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hank williams wrote:
I don't think any phones are going to come with
navigation data built in.
To my knowldge, the Samsung Blackjack 2 from ATT includes maps from
TeleNav. You have to pay an extra $10/month to use GPS with those
On Jan 25, 2008 6:17 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm... The patent purports to cover getting *any* information based on
where you are, including maps. So unless all the map information or
whatever information you need can fit on your phone you are not
interested in it? I guess you
Hmm... The patent purports to cover getting *any* information based on
where you are, including maps. So unless all the map information or
whatever information you need can fit on your phone you are not
interested in it? I guess you better wait for some *really* big flash
memory chips. :)
Am Fr 25. Januar 2008 schrieb hank williams:
[...]
It appears that, in essence, the patents cover a phone providing current
location information to a remote database which returns to the phone a
collection of location centric information. According to the patent
application, this location
andy selby wrote:
So in short, what happens after the GTA02?
I think anyone who's involved in getting this device to market is not
thinking that far ahead as their time is taken up with the GTA02 (now
called Freerunner)
... that is cloud thinking at the moment.
You answered your own
While FIC has stated that other devices are in the works, they have
not announced the next cell phone model. There was an announcement
about a car GPS device a little while back...
-Steven
On Jan 25, 2008 12:37 PM, Duvelle Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well first off, hi... I am new here but
Today I blogged about a
companyhttp://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2008/01/are-apple-rim-and-google-all.htmlthat
has a patent on what I would call the essence of putting a GPS in a
cell phone.
I provided some details on the patent in my blog, but the essence of the
story is covered in this excerpt:
Well first off, hi... I am new here but have been observing for a long
while. I will say that my interest for this phone is rather big. And now
that my L7 is busted, viable.
And on to business... it's a rather small thought that I have been
humouring but I was wondering if any consideration has
Hi Nils,
Sadly, no update on either of those.
We're still awaiting positive confirmation from TI for the GSM update,
and power management has been prioritized lower than getting GTA02 out
of the door.
We do hear very clearly that power management is an extremely high
concern, and will
OK, I see that FreeRunner doesn't have the case, or the stand, and currently
doesn't have the software.
How else is FreeRunner not close to hitting the mark? There is a TON of
work to be done on the software side, and I'm not entirely convinced
openmoko is the answer, but what's wrong with the
One of the dumbest tax we have here France is about multimedia hard
drives, defined as an external hard drive (with usb) with a video output
connecting to a tv without the use of a computer.
There is a tax on these devices.
But no (or less) tax on raw HDDs
And no tax on empty hdd racks with video
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:00:58 -0500, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I definitely don't think FIC (or now Openmoko) should include the cost
(if there is one) of the licence to play MP3s. I don't want to pay
that, and I don't think anyone else should either. I'm happy with just
Ogg
On Jan 25, 2008 8:33 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tomtom.com/products/features.php?ID=280Category=2Lid=1
Now I guess I should post a link to an iPhone commercial.
Hank
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In other words, like it or not, if this patent is valid (who knows)
and its scope is what it looks like (I'm not a lawyer) it will have a
significant impact on the *phone* world.
In other words, *you* consider GTA to be a *phone*, nothing else and not
beyond. You're kidding?
Like it or not,
Well that is the thing, the wishlist is much like a bulletin board... a
lot of ideas that are in parts. The thing about a phone, in my mind
anyway, is that it tends to be a singular construct of thought. If FIC
is taking information that drops into the wishlist and comes up with a
singular
In response to your company, it is coming.
Besides, why not used the iPhone dev kit (hacked one) it probably
exposes more than the iPhone kit will.
Don't even start to think that the sound API will be released to you.
Brandon Kruse (bkruse)
On Jan 25, 2008,
Duvelle Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So in short, what happens after the GTA02?
GTA03, of course :)
Regards,
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I'm all for companies trying to sue based on broad patents like this. The
more broad and ridiculous they are, the better. Maybe people will start
opening their eyes to all of the troubles in our current patent system.
On Jan 25, 2008 1:00 PM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today I
I currently don't have a Neo, nor do I have an iPhone. I currently
won't get the latter, due to the current lack of an SDK and being forced
into a wireless contract that doesn't meet my needs. I do occasionally
work in OS X, but am usually on a Ubuntu desktop. At the time being my
plate is
What about the status of open issues like:
- in the field firmware update for GSM on GTA01 V3 and V4?
- standby power management of GSM in new GSM firmware?
Cheers
nils
Michael Shiloh schrieb:
A brief update:
1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent
discussion on
On 25 Jan 2008, at 07:53, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
I recently looked into the change history of the dedicated MacOS X
page in the wiki and I have got the impression that I am the only
one still doing something and improving the interworking between
the Mac and OpenMoko:
...
Is my
On Jan 25, 2008 12:02 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i'm working fulltime on a macbook pro, but for all my openmoko work i
just use ubuntustudio on parallels .. there's no real need, from my
point of view, to have native apps when VM just solves the problem
entirely and gives
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:57:05PM +0100, Stefano Cavallari wrote:
I'd like FIC to sell mp3 software including in the cost the license to play
mp3, along adding a notice (for the countries which need it) that the phone
isn't licensed to play music and that if needed the support must be bought
On Friday 25 January 2008 16:00:58 Colan Schwartz wrote:
I definitely don't think FIC (or now Openmoko) should include the cost
(if there is one) of the licence to play MP3s. I don't want to pay
that, and I don't think anyone else should either. I'm happy with just
Ogg and FLAC files.
And I really like that speeding ticket analogy. This tax that assumes
guilt is insane. I don't understand how modern democratic justice
systems can tolerate it.
Well, modern democratic justice is money, but that's another war.
;-)
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On Friday 25 January 2008 16:14:17 Stefano Cavallari wrote:
On Friday 25 January 2008 16:00:58 Colan Schwartz wrote:
I definitely don't think FIC (or now Openmoko) should include the cost
(if there is one) of the licence to play MP3s. I don't want to pay
that, and I don't think anyone else
Ok, add Spain to the list of countries in which this tax exists.
So far we have this tax in CD, DVD, Hard Drives, USB memories, MP3 and MP4
players, MP3 playing mobiles, photocopiers, scanners, printers, memory
cards...
And they even want to extent this to everything that can be used to copy
On Jan 25, 2008 5:37 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Fr 25. Januar 2008 schrieb hank williams:
[...]
It appears that, in essence, the patents cover a phone providing current
location information to a remote database which returns to the phone a
collection of location centric
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