Re: Post GTA02 plans
Hi Jeremiah, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Michael, I'm not sure if the other guys read this mailing list too, but I wanted to thank all of you for opening up this topic You're very welcome. and share my opinion. I should have made it clear that the discussion takes place on the kernel list. I reposted it here only to bring it to the attention of the developer community at large. If you want "the other guys" to get your input please post on the kernel list. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Post GTA02 plans
Michael, I'm not sure if the other guys read this mailing list too, but I wanted to that all of you for opening up this topic and share my opinion. From: Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We had some internal talk about how to go post GTA02 and Wolfgang wants us to make it external. We have a choice about basing on S3C2443 or S3C6400. I like the 6400 better but information is a bit scarce right now and it can go either way. I myself like the overall look of the 6400. It has a bunch of decoding & I/O features. The USB 2 could be useful to some people. It's also a nice step from an ARMv4 to a ARMv6 instruction set. I didn't look too hard, but what are the big reasons against the 6400? Some other concepts kicked around: - Merge the debug board function on to the phone, perhaps with internal micro USB used for debricking and hacking. No write-once memory. This would be great. Any chance to have downloadable firmware updates? - Focus on SD Card rootfs rather than internal memory Can we get a 2nd SD card slot, so 1 is for rootfs and 1 is for files in general? If so, the rootfs card should be place in a separate location & under a cover so it isn't accidentally pulled out. To be clear though -- GTA02 is soon going to actually exist, and this is just future talk right now. But because of that, if you have any ideas about future arch, now is the time to throw them in and they will at least get the time of day. WiMax might be fairly interesting if it begins to permeate the market. I know Intel is releasing chips that combine WiMax with Wifi and adding it to laptops. A slightly bigger screen might also be nice. I can't say much about the future until I actually get my hands on some hardware that's been created to date. -Jeremiah ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Official Reseller
Hello World, Hello Steve! Considering that Neo Freerunner phones can be preordered now at TRIsoft[1] I (and several others) are wondering if TRIsoft is the official reseller for Europe? This question has arisen because Christian Pulster has claimed that an agreement between TRIsoft and OM inc. is non-existant[2] and bases his status of an official reseller on a press release[3]. The question is: Who is correct? Has there been an agreement? Or is this just another case of miscommunication? I would be pleased to get an official answer from an employee. Regards, Edwin Lock [1] http://trisoft.de/openmoko [2] http://forum.golem.de/read.php?23925,1258538,1258538#msg-1258538(german) [3] http://forum.golem.de/read.php?23925,1258538,1259049#msg-1259049(german) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Congratulations Harald!
Congratulation Harald!!! It is well deserved. Keep up the great work!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Congratulations Harald!
Congrats Harald! On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well deserved by both recipients! > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:Congratulations Harald!
Well deserved by both recipients! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Definite cultural problem within the open source/free software community. People use it for both definitions of 'free', and complain heavily over everything that isn't free (in $$). Small companies need to account for the risks they're taking for the community in their margins, otherwise they starve and fail -- notice the # of failed linux companies in the last 10 years? JWZ once said, "linux is only free if your time is worth nothing." With modern distros, that's no longer the case -- you get a nice desktop system with less hassle than most windows users. But, the misconception between money, labor, and risk continues on in the community. In the oft-repeated spirit of the open source community, if you don't like how someone else is doing it, do it yourself. Hmm, just thinking out loud here. Would it be possible to distribute OM (Om now?) phones through the community? Single LUGs get together and order a batch (maybe resell as a fundraiser), with the help of some 'become-a-distributor-quick' system? I don't know how complicated it is in the EU to sell imported goods (I'm in the states, this sort of stuff is one of the few last benefits), is it possible to make it easy for a small group (or just 1 person with a few hundred euro) to make themselves a distributor? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On 21 Mar 2008, at 10:01, Andy Powell wrote: On Thursday 20 March 2008 16:05, Stroller wrote: But we must remember that an importer has to tie his own money up in stock (money that could otherwise be earning interest for him) and gamble with the currency exchange rates. If he buys when the dollar is at 1:X and the exchange rate changes disfavourably to 1:Y, then he has to swallow the difference on all his existing stock. Actually the best way to handle that is to buy currency at a fixed, guaranteed price. ukforex (no affiliaton) do this sort of thing. I don;t understand why more people don't do it. If you're importing stuff on a regular basis it just makes sense.. Perhaps I'm failing to understand what ukforex does, but let's say I buy 100 units at $100 each, and buy 1.5 dollars for a Euro. I have spent $10,000 or €6,666 on the devices, or €66 each. A month or two later the dollar falls to $2:€1 - everyone starts complaining that a $100 device "should only cost €50". That doesn't really help me, if I have 50 devices which I paid €66 for remaining in stock. (I hope I got the maths right - it's a little early in the morning here). Generally speaking currency fluctuations aren't so great over a short period, but nevertheless margins can be quite small, too (otherwise consumers start whinging about how they're being ripped-off!!). Consequently apparently-small fluctuations can make a big difference in the trader's pocket. In another post the importer is quoted as saying "we're no bastards making a $100 profit with each box." Now I no longer sell or import hardware, and never did so full time, but I wouldn't bother selling the Freerunner unless I DID make the best part of $100 on each one. The Freerunner importer is CLEARLY no bastards!! I used to sell wireless cards as guaranteed Linux-compatible and made a 33% - 50% markup on each one, but even with that markup it wasn't worthwhile. Actually, 33% - 50% is a naive assessment of markup, because Google Adwords took a massive chunk out of that, but nevertheless the size of the Linux market is too small to support much business; one has to pay one's employees, the 1% or 2% you lose because everyone wants to pay by credit-card is like being stabbed to death with sewing needles and finally the taxman wants a cut of one's profit!! Margins on selling hardware are just so small that I don't know why anyone would wish to expose themselves to this list's whining! Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Friday 21 March 2008 11:01:37 Andy Powell wrote: > Actually the best way to handle that is to buy currency at a fixed, > guaranteed price. ukforex (no affiliaton) do this sort of thing. I don;t > understand why more people don't do it. If you're importing stuff on a > regular basis it just makes sense.. That just moves to problem to the question of "when should I enter the forward". signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Mittwoch, 19. März 2008, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: > Quoting Peter Trapp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Well, I've paid 300€ (=300$) for Neo1973 even without any reseller and > > group purchasing with two other guys to save shipping costs (to > > Germany)!! > > > > So, where is the big problem? > > You can go to www.oanda.com/convert/classic to have currency > conversions for any date. > Oh nice. I've search for end of April 2008 and didn't get any result? Also there is no real date when the Freerunner will be available. And also not how much it will cost. > On the date of Sean's famous "Get them while they're still hot!" > message, when ordering for Neo's was opened (9 July 07), 300$ equalled > 220.216 euros. Today, the same 300$ equal 190.317 euros. This *should* > be evident from the pricing. That is true and really a point! But how much will the exchange rate at end of April? In [1] it is said that (discussion between ScaredyCat and TRIsoft): 399$ would make 257 EUR Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe is $469, makes 302 EUR plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price. 399 EUR for the preorders is what we fixed during the meetings with a capping if the USD should fall in April Be sure, that we will lower the price, if possible. Actually, all we can say is: A device in Europe will cost not more than 399 EUR. Including all legal expenses and VAT And, believe me, the profit is not big. Profit may be less than zero if we run into warranty problems. We're in daily contact with the people at OM and i hope that we'll be able to lower the EU price a bit. But we'll never get 250 EUR. > Resellers should get their profit from buying large quantities at a > discounted price, I believe. > Yes, I think so ... Don't get me wrong, the lower the price the better ;) cheers, - homyx [1]: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014226.html -- It is hardly possible forecasting particularly for the future... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Congratulations Harald!
Hi, On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Community > > Not sure if you've already seen this... > >http://lwn.net/Articles/274173/ > > A great honor handed down to a true freedom fighter! > > Sean Thanks for sharing this. And congratulations to Harald - well deserved! -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Future hardware options
On Thursday 20 March 2008 23:13:59 Andy Green wrote: > Agreed here... the main constraint will be that if we want the display > active, we need to have the main CPU up to generate the video. But I am > hoping we will be able to pretty strongly in most cases have the CPU > power acting in sync to the LCM backlight power, in terms the CPU goes > into its lowest power standby mode as soon as the display is not lit, a > tap on the touchscreen or whatever else you would use to get the display > lit again also wakes the CPU. Well with a transflective display you could do some data display even without powering the backlight. Many phones do this to display time etc, that would be very useful to have in my view. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Congratulations Harald!
Yes, I saw this yesterday. Congrats too! Sebastien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
LOL ^^ Apart from the joke, as soon as possible I'll post here some photos! Ugo Raffaele - Original Message - From: "Etienne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status > You guys in Italy have a too bright sun ! I'm jealous ! > > Selon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> >> I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS >> reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! >> >> Ugo Raffaele >> Vuoi essere presente online? Vuoi dare voce alla tua attivita`? Acquista un dominio su http://domini.interfree.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
ramsesoriginal ha scritto: The same also holds true if (and here comes the crazy part: correct me if it's illegal) someone want's to buy a bunch of Freerunners (let's say 10), customize them (with custom themes, programs, settings, maybe even pre-filled data, some additional hardware, case mods, and much more), and resell them, either to privates that want given features, or to firms as a working phone, or for some specific application (for example skiers, with custom software and theme). Doing so would also allow to grow a family of hacks around the openmoko (a version with a webcam? with build-in batteries? with r/c sender incorporated? with wooden case?). Just my two €-cents Well, nothing like that, my situation is: pietro want a neo, paolo want a neo, marco want a neo and they live in the same city, they know each other, so there are 2 solution, they separately buy 3 neos paying 3 times the shipping cost or make a single order paying only one time the shipping cost and dividing this cost in three. Doing the second solution you have satisfied the three friends and they have paid less than making three separate orders. I think that there is nothing illegal in that, only logic. Neo cost = 400$ shipping = 20$ vat = 20% (here in itay) so 80$ so if paolo, pietro and marco make 3 different orders they have to pay 500$ per neo, 1500$ in total if they make a single order they have to pay (480x3 + 20) /3 = 486$ per neo and 1460$ in total The example oviously is notso good with only 20$ for shipping but it give an idea of what i'd like to do. Nothing wrong with law or anything i think. Cya! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Of course I won't change my buying plans, too ;) Also my Nokia N80 do the same, so this won't be a problem for me! Ugo Raffaele - Original Message - From: ""Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status > Ugo Raffaele wrote: >> I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to > > test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! > > Mhmmh... This might be a great problem... I heard/understood a > completely different thing about the Neo LCD! > > Anyway I won't change my buying plans, but I'm quite disappointed about > this :/. I like sunny days! :D > -- > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ Vuoi essere presente online? Vuoi dare voce alla tua attivita`? Acquista un dominio su http://domini.interfree.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
ramsesoriginal wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christian Beier ha scritto: Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 > schrieb "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, >> > As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you > ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. > You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and > maybe some one will risk such order. > > If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house > post it might be easier to get a good price. > > Let's hope. > Christian > This is what i'd like to do with my LUG and some other people near me, take the name, make only one order of 10 Neos and then give the phones to the people. Obviously the price will not be lowered a lot, but the shipping costs are usually divided so in total it will cost less to everyone. We always do the same with thinkgeek things or some CDs or DVDs. Just my 0.2€cent :D Pietro The same also holds true if (and here comes the crazy part: correct me if it's illegal) someone want's to buy a bunch of Freerunners (let's say 10), customize them (with custom themes, programs, settings, maybe even pre-filled data, some additional hardware, case mods, and much more), and resell them, either to privates that want given features, or to firms as a working phone, or for some specific application (for example skiers, with custom software and theme). Doing so would also allow to grow a family of hacks around the openmoko (a version with a webcam? with build-in batteries? with r/c sender incorporated? with wooden case?). Just my two €-cents There is nothing crazy about this idea. In fact, this is exactly what we're planning for ;-) Details will come later from Steve or Harry. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Thursday 20 March 2008 16:05, Stroller wrote: > But we must remember that an importer has to tie his own money up in > stock (money that could otherwise be earning interest for him) and > gamble with the currency exchange rates. If he buys when the dollar > is at 1:X and the exchange rate changes disfavourably to 1:Y, then > he has to swallow the difference on all his existing stock. Actually the best way to handle that is to buy currency at a fixed, guaranteed price. ukforex (no affiliaton) do this sort of thing. I don;t understand why more people don't do it. If you're importing stuff on a regular basis it just makes sense.. Andy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christian Beier ha scritto: > > > Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 > > schrieb "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >> What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, > >> > > As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you > > ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. > > You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and > > maybe some one will risk such order. > > > > If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house > > post it might be easier to get a good price. > > > > Let's hope. > > Christian > > > This is what i'd like to do with my LUG and some other people near me, > take the name, make only one order of 10 Neos and then give the phones > to the people. Obviously the price will not be lowered a lot, but the > shipping costs are usually divided so in total it will cost less to > everyone. We always do the same with thinkgeek things or some CDs or DVDs. > > Just my 0.2€cent :D > > Pietro > The same also holds true if (and here comes the crazy part: correct me if it's illegal) someone want's to buy a bunch of Freerunners (let's say 10), customize them (with custom themes, programs, settings, maybe even pre-filled data, some additional hardware, case mods, and much more), and resell them, either to privates that want given features, or to firms as a working phone, or for some specific application (for example skiers, with custom software and theme). Doing so would also allow to grow a family of hacks around the openmoko (a version with a webcam? with build-in batteries? with r/c sender incorporated? with wooden case?). Just my two €-cents -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Congratulations Harald!
Dear Community Not sure if you've already seen this... http://lwn.net/Articles/274173/ A great honor handed down to a true freedom fighter! Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
