Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 21 April 2008 20:38, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are > just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: > > http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ > > If someone with more skills than me at web page des

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Sebastian Busse
Great idea, you got my vote for that ;-) greets Sebastian Charles Edward Pax wrote: We always see unboxing videos for new products. How about making a boxing video for the Freerunner before it's released? -Charles

Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Jeremy List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > The problem with small handheld devices is that most of the time it's > cheaper to put everything into the device than to create variants. > Modularity causes problems with design and space and is also > expensive. > I also still need a GSM modem and

Re: Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Jeremy List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Paulson wrote: > 2008/4/22 Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? >> I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. >> Not that it would be a problem, most of us have

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Alex "Maxious" Sadleir
There's vector (EPS format?) logos and the conditions for using them on the wiki; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy Note that for most community purposes (creating software or community webpages) the artwork is free to use but explicit permission is required for several cases includin

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Jimenez
Related to making openmoko gear - is there vector art of the logo somewhere? I checked the wiki and couldn't find a reference, and checked downloads.openmoko.com and again came up empty. Inquiring minds want to know! Also, if it is published, we'd probably want some kind of license to use it that

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Charles Edward Pax
We always see unboxing videos for new products. How about making a boxing video for the Freerunner before it's released? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread ian douglas
Ah, thanks for the correction. Joseph Jon Booker wrote: IM/VoIP using telepathy http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Dean
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like a > standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies pratice) I > think a human voice saying "Openmoko - Open mobile communicatio

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Joseph Jon Booker
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:51:17 -0700 ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > IM/VoIP using telepathy > > > I'm hoping you meant telephony? Or is Google seriously funding some > sort of telekenesis projects? ;o) > > -id > > _

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread ian douglas
Daniel Willmann wrote: IM/VoIP using telepathy I'm hoping you meant telephony? Or is Google seriously funding some sort of telekenesis projects? ;o) -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/ma

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Michele Renda
1 $ => 0.70 euro + tva = 0.84 euro != 4 euro Jonathan Spooner wrote: Oh great so in Europe that will equate to another 4 euros.. were you dropped on your head as a child? Jon Michele Renda wrote: I agree, I'd like to pay for Freerunner 400$ in place of 399$ I alway liked 0 finishing nu

Re: Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Le Roux
Really great news !! Congratulation ! Let's work on ! On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Daniel Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm happy to announce the final Google Summer of Code slot allocation > for Openmoko. 10 projects will be funded this year which is quite an > improvem

Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, I'm happy to announce the final Google Summer of Code slot allocation for Openmoko. 10 projects will be funded this year which is quite an improvement over the 3 we had in 2007. Lets make it rock. :-) So here are the projects that we will take on during this years Summer of Code: OpenMoko

Welcome to Openmoko GSoC

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, I'm happy to announce the final Google Summer of Code slot allocation for Openmoko. 10 projects will be funded this year which is quite an improvement over the 3 we had in 2007. Lets make it rock. :-) So here are the projects that we will take on during this years Summer of Code: OpenMoko

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 11:48 PM: > > > > > > > > > Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like > a > > > standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies > prati

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Georg Michelitsch
ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 11:48 PM: Concerning the soundset (if I understood right you meant something like a standard sound for the phone-startup as a lot of other companies pratice) I think a human voice saying "Openmoko - Open mobile communication" would be a nice alternation to "F

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
Wow. .cool.. i not only (finally) discovered what mojo means, but i also liek the idea :D On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Ben Burdette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about "got my moko working". Then you could have a red flannel bag for > your 'moko hand'. Moko is HD (hoodoo) enabled! > > h

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Wilson
Good point Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/22 Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around somewhere.

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/22 Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > "Free your phone, and the mind will follow" cool, lyrics by en vogue/george clinton 'free your mind, don't be so shallow free your mind, and the rest will follow' well, nearly... ___ Openmoko communit

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/4/22 Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? > I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. > Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around > somewhere. i'm not sure of the exact situation

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Burdette
How about "got my moko working". Then you could have a red flannel bag for your 'moko hand'. Moko is HD (hoodoo) enabled! http://www.luckymojo.com/mojo.html ramsesoriginal wrote: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have s

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 10:53 PM: > > > > Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled > > upon two simple questions: > > 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like "Hello Moto", "Connect

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Richard Guest
Beaten to the punch. +1 for this question. Rich On 22/04/2008, Ben Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? > I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. > Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor l

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Georg Michelitsch
ramsesoriginal wrote on 04/21/2008 10:53 PM: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like "Hello Moto", "Connecting People", ...) 2) Is there an official Openmoko sound set? Systems sounds, but maybe even a

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Wilson
Will it ship with powerpack adaptors for all countries? I just noticed there's no adaptor for Australia/New Zealand in the pic. Not that it would be a problem, most of us have an adaptor lying around somewhere. Ben. Michael Shiloh wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
ramsesoriginal wrote: Thank you. Wow. Finally, something "real", after all this talking about the freerunners. all that misses now is one of those babys in my hands :D I agree... Finally we can see a box that seems quite ready to be shipped to all us :P, btw good photos of the phone with acces

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Michael Shiloh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Well, I think the problem isn't on the camera itself,

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Free your phone, and the mind will follow" > Aaargh... we'll all turn insane !!! No, seriously, not a bad idea.. > Or "Hello Moko" just for fun, to see how long motorolla's legal > department takes to send a cease

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Philippe Guillebert
ramsesoriginal wrote: Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like "Hello Moto", "Connecting People", ...) 2) Is there an official Openmoko sound set? Systems sounds, but maybe even a specific song or someth

RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Tore Dalaker
There should also be some sort of time controlled switch to turn the blinking leds off at night, because nothing is more annoying than trying to sleep and then some lights starts blinking.. Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards Tore Dalaker Rosenkrantzvegen 19 N-4353 Klepp Stasjon On Mon, 21 Apr 2

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
I recalled there was already some discussion about this, and after reading through something like 300 mails ( xD ) i found this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007112.html So, free your phone could be dangerous. The fact that the motto should signify "openness" is

RE: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Crane, Matthew
"Free your phone, and the mind will follow" Or "Hello Moko" just for fun, to see how long motorolla's legal department takes to send a cease and desist letter. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flemming Richter Mikkelsen Sent: Monday, Apri

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Rune Gangstø
"Open source is more" (or just "Open is more") , was the first thing I thougth about when I read this e-mail. I think that a motto for openmoko should contain something about the openness. 2008/4/21, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos

Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled > upon two simple questions: > 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like "Hello Moto", "Connecting People", ...) I think it is "Free your phone" -- Please don't send me Word

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
steve wrote: The phone fits snuggly in a bed of foam, carved precisely to fit its form. Well, looking at the photos taken by Michael (coverOffTrayRemoved*.jpg and coverTrayTriangle*.jpg first of all) it seems that under the phone's bed of foam there's enough space for "pushing" a pouch, isn't

Openmoko sounds, Motto

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
Following Michaels request for a homepage for the photos, I stumbled upon two simple questions: 1) Do we have soem sort of motto (like "Hello Moto", "Connecting People", ...) 2) Is there an official Openmoko sound set? Systems sounds, but maybe even a specific song or something? This could also be

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
> Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) I have a feeling that Michael will end up with a lot of cameras;) Michael, maybe you should integrate a camera in GTA03 ;) Btw, I am very happy that all you at Openmoko got this far. Soon I get my open(moko) phone (which I dream

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread openmoko
lol ok. I give you my cam, you give me your phone* ;) *The neo of course ;) Michael Shiloh a écrit : Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera d

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner Date: lun 21 apr 08 01:28:18 -0700 Quoting Michael Shiloh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) In exchange for the neo? 8-) Carlo -- * Se la St

RE: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread steve
Kevin, I loved your description about how commerce happens. Its because we disagree, it's because we value things differently, that a trade happens. People agree on a price because they disagree on the value. and that foundational disagreement fuels innovation. So, I like arguments. WRT to App

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Georg Michelitsch
Ivo Anjo wrote on 04/21/2008 10:00 PM: Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with grey, like the 1973 on this picture: Afaik the Neo Freerunner case is totally black, the silver and orange ones have just been the cases for the GTA_01 devices. cu, Georg ___

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Michael Shiloh a écrit : Remember, Steve is still deciding what to

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just > a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: > > http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ > Thank you. Wow. Finally, some

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please don't read too much into these pictures. They were taken by a poor > camera in the hands of an even worse operator (me). Light was imperfect, and > reflections abound. > > I think in one of them you may see a reflection of my dog. This

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Ian Darwin
> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the > box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, > but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for > their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Burdette
I think it has a protective piece of plastic over the screen, for shipping. You can see the tab where you pull off the plastic in one of the photos. Federico Lorenzi wrote: Just from looking at photos, it seems that 02's screen is a lot less reflective then 01? Cheers, Federico On Mon, Apr

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread openmoko
Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Michael Shiloh a écrit : Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: htt

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Daniel Barkalow wrote: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote: The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to create a product wh

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ben Burdette
Black on black case is looking great! Glad you're going with that for the freerunner. Michael Shiloh wrote: Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Please don't read too much into these pictures. They were taken by a poor camera in the hands of an even worse operator (me). Light was imperfect, and reflections abound. I think in one of them you may see a reflection of my dog. This does not mean that every Neo Freerunner comes with a dog :-

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
Yes, I'm pretty sure there will only be the pure black color scheme. On 4/21/08, Ivo Anjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, they're pretty big, although the camera seems to be pretty bad. > > Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with > grey, like the 1973 on this pict

RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote: > The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos > done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have > greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to > create a product where I could pack 10

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Jan de Haan
Drool ;-) On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Ivo Anjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, they're pretty big, although the camera seems to be pretty bad. > > Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with > grey, like the 1973 on this picture: > http://quickstart.openm

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Al Johnson
Well...it MIGHT include earphones. Please reread Michael's first paragraph. On Monday 21 April 2008, Kosa wrote: > It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! > > Kosa > > - Un mundo mejor es posible - > > Richard Reichenbacher escribió: > > The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger on

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Just from looking at photos, it seems that 02's screen is a lot less reflective then 01? Cheers, Federico On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! > > > Kosa > > - Un mundo mejor es posible - > > Richard Reichenbacher escribió:

Re: "Getting Things Done" with Openmoko

2008-04-21 Thread Oliver Uvman
I am using the really excellent, open source, TRACKS to handle my GTD business. It's an extremely awesome implementation that does pretty much everything. It is web based, so I will be able to use it with my OpenMoko using just the browser. :D It seems to have good APIs, so creating an app that ad

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Johann Koenig
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! It DOES NOT necessarily include earphones!!! Just wanted to nip this rumor in the bud ... > > Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are > just a bunch of stuff

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Ivo Anjo
Yeah, they're pretty big, although the camera seems to be pretty bad. Btw I was under the impression that the freerunner case was black with grey, like the 1973 on this picture: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/boxNextTo1973.jpg . Is the shipped version going to be all black? Ivo On Mo

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Kosa
It DOES include earphones!!! Just great! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, Apr

Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Kosa
too small? They don't fit on my 20" iMac (running linux btw). What kind of monitor do you have? :O I cannot belive my eyes! I'm just too happy for watching this! Thanks Michel Shiloh Cheers! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Richard Reichenbacher escribió: The pictures are too small. C

RE: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
The pictures are too small. Can you make post up bigger ones? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:38 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents

photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Remember, Steve is still deciding what to include in the box. These are just a bunch of stuff that fit, from which he is making decisions: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/photographs/ If someone with more skills than me at web page design would like to turn this into a nice web page with thumbn

Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Ortwin Regel
The problem with small handheld devices is that most of the time it's cheaper to put everything into the device than to create variants. Modularity causes problems with design and space and is also expensive. I also still need a GSM modem and will for a few years. Sure, I'd like to use WLAN, Blueto

Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Hello Joachim. Thank You for the information. On 4/19/08, Joachim Steiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the id pin is connected directly to pin9 of the pmu (adcin1) > in addition to that there is one resistor of 100k(1%) to gnd and one of > 39k(1%) to pin8 of the pmu (accsw) > now everyone should

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Schmidt András
Why the hell would a geek buy a shiny crap that can play f***ing top hits and show some idiot web pages for 400$. Who cares them??? Features are not why I am interested in Openmoko. Yet unimplemented features are what makes me interested. A geek needs something hackable. Something with replacable

Re: linux-openmoko build error

2008-04-21 Thread MartinG
On 4/12/08, M Nader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I meant 4194. It is already fixed now. I still get this error (see below). I did try to wipe my whole build directory and started over, but got the same error again (three times). Basically what I did was: $ rm -rf ~/moko/* $ cd ~/moko/ $ wget http

RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread steve
genius -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Powell Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:36 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: > On Mon,

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Schmidt András
Experts can even use a 1kg hammer. Just be sure to find the right attack point the right direction and the right power of the hit. AVee wrote: On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45, steve wrote: I want a software switch that says "unLEDed" so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Jonathan Spooner
Oh great so in Europe that will equate to another 4 euros.. were you dropped on your head as a child? Jon Michele Renda wrote: I agree, I'd like to pay for Freerunner 400$ in place of 399$ I alway liked 0 finishing number more than 9 finishing number. I vote for 400$! It is a very stran

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Kurylo
> > I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :( > > > > Que "but the majority of users never use a pouch" and "you'd be better off > using a $30 iPod sock" responses. Who would say suchs things? Of course I think you *MUST* fit a pony in the box. The freerunner will never be popular wit

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread AVee
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45, steve wrote: > I want a software switch that says "unLEDed" so I can turn blinking lights > off on any app if I so choose. And then there also is a hardware solutions. A very generic one, available in any half-decent hardware store. I think they call 'm "cutting pl

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Dean
For the record, my "tip a programmer" thing was almost pure sarcasm. I find this discussion to be amusing by the level of absurdity in it. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, so first, i also would like to see 400$ instead of 399$, because > it's sim

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Dean
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fredrik Markström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still no official comments on this issue ? > > Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before > spending $399 on another piece of potentially > useless hardware (GTA02). If you think your GTA01 is u

RE: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Crane, Matthew
Give me a break. 1) Worst case, no fix, so led is disabled. Phone is therefore useless? Why do you exaggerate? I speculate you are discouraging people so that they also waste there money on an iPhone and therefore partially validate your flawed decision to buy one. 2) Open development t

RE: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Crane, Matthew
Yea, not to mention all the extra crap you gotta pay if you want to have a broad base of sw. These mobile devices are turning into platforms where software fees for dinky little apps are to be the primary source of income for the hardware mfgr, much like game consoles.

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread thomasg
Well, that's easy - apps shall handle LEDs over a dbus-interface using neod or whatever will be there. If neod says: "I don't like LEDs", apps just can't use them. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45:06 steve wrote: >

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread thomasg
It is always funny to see how the bad marketing works. Still many people out there haven't noticed, that the iPhone doesn't cost 399$. In fact it cost's 399$ + 24 monthly fees hidden behind some included minutes and so on. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Fredrik Markström < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45:06 steve wrote: > I want a software switch that says "unLEDed" so I can turn blinking lights > off on any app if I so choose. Agreed. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openm

RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread steve
I want a software switch that says "unLEDed" so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexey Feldgendler Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:05 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion

RE: 99

2008-04-21 Thread steve
for symbolism sake, maybe I reduced the 10 pack to 368 as opposed to 369 per phone -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sander van Grieken Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:07 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 99 On Monday

Re: "Getting Things Done" with Openmoko

2008-04-21 Thread Steven **
I use tasktoy (http://www.tasktoy.com), which is a GTD compliant todo list. But this is online only. You could probably integrate it with an app on Openmoko fairly easily, since the site supports adding tasks from text messages. It also sends reminders to email address (which could also be a tex

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, Fredrik Markström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still no official comments on this issue ? > > Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before > spending $399 on another piece of potentially > useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as > silent an

Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-21 Thread Fredrik Markström
Still no official comments on this issue ? Until this is resolved I advice newcomers to be careful before spending $399 on another piece of potentially useless hardware (GTA02). From my point of view openmoko might be as silent and unresponsive, using "busy with nextgen hardware" as an excuse with

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Brandon Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun April 20 2008 8:29:01 pm Nick Guenther wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Brandon Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun April 20 2008 7:27:06 pm Kevin Dean wrote: > > > > I'm happy paying $39

Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Milburn
Good news, you're likely wrong :) Don't project the current draw when on the charger to when on the battery. It's very normal for the charger portion of a PMIC to be extremely in-efficient. I typically see less than 50% efficiency on chargers. The power system will be optimized for running off

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:28 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business > around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build > your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories. > ..

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Brandon Kruger
On Sun April 20 2008 8:29:01 pm Nick Guenther wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Brandon Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun April 20 2008 7:27:06 pm Kevin Dean wrote: > > > I'm happy paying $399 for all ye who feel the need to pay $400 to make > > > it even. :P Though, I'll hop o

Re: Group Sales in Denmark

2008-04-21 Thread Ulrik Rasmusen
Sweet, we are already five people in Copenhagen :) Ulrik On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 12:49:26PM +0200, Jens Fursund wrote: > Just wanted to put the word out! We are five people in Denmark trying to > make a group sale, so if anyone is interested please go to the Group > Sales wiki-site and put your n

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:51:52 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 It's exactly what PWM is about. No. I do not think he was meaning PWM. I think I

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-21 Thread Stroller
On 20 Apr 2008, at 23:59, Sebastian Reichel wrote: No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :( I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :( Que "but the majority of users never use a pouch" and "you'd be better off using a $30 iPod sock" responses. Stroller. __

Re: "Getting Things Done" with Openmoko

2008-04-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Hans L wrote: I'm still working on fully implementing these ideas (been setting up my filing/reference system lately), but it seems to me a device running Openmoko would be the perfect place to do much of this organizing/planning/management. And while I'm certainly not holding out for my Freeru

Re: Do we REALLY need a phone?

2008-04-21 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Monday 21 April 2008 08:54:15 Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Stefano Cavallari > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then you just provide some module to access the chosen network, like a > > SDIO card (probably with a big external part like most wifi ones). > > I was th

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/21/08, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:44 +0200, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the > > > LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (an

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:44 +0200, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the > LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and > eat

Re: turn GSM off?

2008-04-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Peter Kraker wrote: Yes it's possible, you just have to echo "0" to sys interface for gsm power management. Ie: echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on Nowadays it's called fic01 something I think. Just browse around a little bit. Last time i checked there was a button

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:43:18 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

2008-04-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and ea

Re: 99

2008-04-21 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
> the problem with paying a bounty for these sort of things, is that > progammers then end up competing against each other, so are less > inclined to share their part-way results, thus potentially slowing > down a solution to the problem > > this was shown quite clearly a couple of years back, with

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