Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>
> > And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?
>
> Look here:
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
>
> Nikolaus Schaller,
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No option
546USD for one is to much
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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[thomasg]

ASU works basically, but getting telephony work with it is a matter of luck.
Mostly it doesn't work at all, mostly the qtopia phoneserver eats 90% CPU..

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:05 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No ASU is a pre alpha set of applications.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Hessing
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:19 PM
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> Subject: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hopefully I get my terminology right.
>
> Late last year there were some issues with the T-Mobile SIMs and the GTA01.
> I got side-tracked on my GTA01 efforts and never sent my phone in for the
> firmware update.  A few days ago I tried an OpenMoko build from late April,
> and found it worked with the T-Mo SIM.  For fun, I also played with the FSO
> image, and had no problem.
>
> When I flashed a current ASU image (if my terminology is correct, the ASU
> image is the Qt/X11 image), it didn't work.  The signal strength indication
> would change from time-to-time, but when I dialed it just said dialing, and
> the phone on the other end didn't ring.  (There was also no indication that
> the phone had registered with the T-Mobile network.)
>
> Has anyone seen this?  Should I even be expecting it to work?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2008/7/9 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
>
> 2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>>
>> > And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?
>>
>> Look here:
>> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
>>
>> Nikolaus Schaller,
>> responsible for that...
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> No option
> 546USD for one is to much
>
> I think I wait to the 15th
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

How did you calculate that?

349 EUR - 10% for 10 pack => 314,10 EUR
less 19% VAT => 263,95 EUR
exchange rate 1,55 => 409,12 US$

Compare that to 399 US$.

Nikolaus

Am 09.07.2008 um 09:20 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:




2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:

> And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?

Look here:
http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner

Nikolaus Schaller,
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No option
546USD for one is to much

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Hello I am Chris

[鐘建彬]

Hello everybody:

  What I expect to learn 1.)how to write a application in the Neo and use
openmoko's installer to install it at openmoko,

if the application includes GPS, GMS function or someting about web2.0, that
will be fun.

Also, if I can 2.)learn some general idea about linux kernel or how to build
it on Neo or modify it, that is great.

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Hi!

[余 家祥]

Hi everyone:





 


Hello,my name is George. I am glad to see you guys in openmoko.

 

I want to learn more about how to use some API, such like blueZ ,GSM

 

 modem, and so on . Well,actually I want to learn the FrameWork which

 

 can corporate each component between kernel layer and User programm

 

ing interface. I hope I could have fun druing the Summer Intern in the 
openmoko:P

  Best Regards 


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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

you meen 369 USD ?

Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on
this.

Will it be a preorder sale on the openmoko store?

2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> How did you calculate that?
> 349 EUR - 10% for 10 pack => 314,10 EUR
> less 19% VAT => 263,95 EUR
> exchange rate 1,55 => 409,12 US$
>
> Compare that to 399 US$.
>
> Nikolaus
>
> Am 09.07.2008 um 09:20 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>
>
>
> 2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>>
>> > And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?
>>
>> Look here:
>> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
>>
>> Nikolaus Schaller,
>> responsible for that...
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Hello

[羅 祥維]

Hello, My name is Willy , I take part in openmoko as a summer intern .

 

what I expect to learn is something about framework ,such as how to 

 

combine complicated works to a service or how to form an API for people to use.

 

Also I want to know openmoko software architecture. What I want to do is  focus 
on

 

the application of three axis accelerometers.Thinking some interesting 
applications about 

 

it,and having fun with it.


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Hello ! My Name Is Jack!

[u942519]

Hello! My name is Jack.　I come from Tsing Hua University and I

study Computer Science third year. This summer I am glad that I can

join the openmoko team and become an openmoko intern. Because I

think the idea of open source and the infinite creativity is very cool！

Everyone can share the mobile phone code. And you even can create a

completely new function in your phone only you have a fantastic idea！

The dream to make your idea become true is not possible. This summer

I am honor that I can study and learn more about openmoko here. The

following items are what I expect to learn at openmoko：

1.learn more about neo mobile phone.

  Ex: how to use the GTK library to write the mobile code, familiar with
 the API….

2.learn the Linux

3.Complete my idea make the mobile have the social function.

   Ex: you can input your personal data in your mobile phone, like
 your name, male, hobby, age and so on. And input what kind of
 friend you want to make. If the condition are all match by each
 other, your and his(her) mobile can ring and send a hello
 message. This function can work only you walk on the street by
 WiFi or Bluetooth. It is a social function！

You also can have a travel plan, and send the detail of the plan to
 all around you. If someone want to join your plan, he can reply
 you by and message. It is just like a broadcast function.

Ha Ha~！Maybe my idea is ridiculous and not practical but I think it

 is funny. And at last I hope I have fun here and wish myself can

contribute what I learn to openmoko someday. Thank you ！^_^

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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Marcus Bauer]

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 09:25 +0200, thomasg wrote:
> ASU works basically, but getting telephony work with it is a matter of
> luck.
> Mostly it doesn't work at all, mostly the qtopia phoneserver eats 90%
> CPU..

You may have one of the broken GSM modems. From my four phones two have
a broken GSM - that's 50%.

They constantly reconnect to the cell tower and inbetween the can't make
phone calls and loose the GPRS connection but without notifying the
pppd.

This is the same with the mature OM2007.2 images as well as with the
professionally by Trolltech developed pure qtopia images, the ASU images
the the new hyped FSO images. 


This is another hardware problem which is shared with the Neo 1973 and
thus known since a year. The answer by Dr. Michael Lauer was "Guys, this
is a Heisenbug. We pray that it does not occur too often in the field.".

That is a very interesting engineering approach...


The bug in question is:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024


The big problem with Openmoko is this "not invented here" mentality. The
OM2007.2 images were working well, GTK is a valid platform for mobile
gadgets (see Nokia N700, N800, N810), you can add "bling" (see clutter)
and there is a huge developer base. The qtopia port to X adds a second
huge developer base.

But instead of going on and having a base for testing the hardware,
there came this change to ASU and etk which probably 0.1% of Linux
developers use. And despite what Lauer & Co try to make us believe, this
alienates GTK and qt developers. Just look on the planets of KDE and
GNOME - nearly no mentionings. The developer mailing list: a big void.

But the real problem here is that basically due to this reinventing the
wheel with ASU nobody inside Openmoko has ever really used the phones
thus plenty of things which could have come up simply got lost. If Sean,
Wolfgang and Steve would have started to exclusivly eat their own
dogfood, i.e. using the Neo as their daily phone, things like
oszillating GSM modems, non working GPS, SIM cards, deep discharge
batteries, noisy headsets would have been since long ironed out.

Before now all the fanbois jump onto me and accuse me of trolling:
in order to come to some lifestyle competitor of Apple the important
thing is that the basics work and that they work reliably. Accepting
brokeness as part of freedom is doing a disservice to the free software
world.

And it is even more unacceptable as there were 5000 people buying a Neo
1973 more or less for nothing. They all would have been more than happy
to participate in advancing the Neo.

The point being: the Neo *is* a fantastic concept. Bring it there. Stop
ASU, concentrate on the basics, get the gtk and qt communities in.









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Re: [Fwd: questions about our mailinglists]

[Shawn Thompson]

I would second the idea of keeping the community lists and device-owner list
separate. I follow the openmoko project as best I can but I cannot afford to
purchase the phone yet so I don't subscribe to the owner's list, although I
occasionally read the archives.

-Shawn

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 7/8/08 Stroller wrote:
> > Sean - you say in your post of 8 July 2008 14:27:41 BST that you're
> > inclined to remove 'device-owners'. Can I ask you to consider a while
> >
> > longer, please? We're talking about circa 100 messages per day, so it
> >
> > might be best not to be too hasty. Maybe you could simply combine
> > 'openmoko-devel' and 'distro-devel' into a single 'devel' list for
> > the present and revisit the community & device-owners decision after
> > some more discussion, perhaps waiting a few weeks?
>
> Sure. I will ask Roh/Gismo to keep 'device-owners' open for a few more
> weeks. I actually woke up with new thoughts about this list, too.
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Re: Hello ! My Name Is Jack!

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You have great ideas, especially about the social software.  Please keep
telling us what you are thinking and learning.

Cheers
Dennis

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello! My name is Jack.　I come from Tsing Hua University and I
> 
> study Computer Science third year. This summer I am glad that I can
> 
> join the openmoko team and become an openmoko intern. Because I
> 
> think the idea of open source and the infinite creativity is very cool！
> 
> Everyone can share the mobile phone code. And you even can create a
> 
> completely new function in your phone only you have a fantastic idea！
> 
> The dream to make your idea become true is not possible. This summer
> 
> I am honor that I can study and learn more about openmoko here. The
> 
> following items are what I expect to learn at openmoko：
> 
> 1.learn more about neo mobile phone.
> 
>   Ex: how to use the GTK library to write the mobile code, familiar with
>  the API….
> 
> 2.learn the Linux
> 
> 3.Complete my idea make the mobile have the social function.
> 
>Ex: you can input your personal data in your mobile phone, like
>  your name, male, hobby, age and so on. And input what kind of
>  friend you want to make. If the condition are all match by each
>  other, your and his(her) mobile can ring and send a hello
>  message. This function can work only you walk on the street by
>  WiFi or Bluetooth. It is a social function！
> 
> You also can have a travel plan, and send the detail of the plan 
> to
>  all around you. If someone want to join your plan, he can reply
>  you by and message. It is just like a broadcast function.
> 
> Ha Ha~！Maybe my idea is ridiculous and not practical but I think it
> 
>  is funny. And at last I hope I have fun here and wish myself can
> 
> contribute what I learn to openmoko someday. Thank you ！^_^
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Re: Not just a phone

[doron]

Hi Michael / all,

Sorry for my late response.

I think that innovation is the big and the first challenge that the 
Openmoko and the community have.


After 35 years of property industry (the cellular industry)  it is easy 
to talk about innovation but it is not easy to be innovative - we all 
have some "imagination blocking".


To be innovative the first thing to do is define what is the FreeRunner 
device.


some of us talk about "phone" or "cellphone", my Freerunner is not phone 
or cellphone. as far as I know cellphones have a limited OS with a 
limited functionality, I didn't see any of those in my Freerunner (it 
use cellular network) .


It's also not a "smart phone", smartphones is a phone that the 
manufacturer add it some extra functionality, smartphone was plan to be 
an extension of my computer, but my smartphone did't do it, the reason 
is the limitation of the property software.

Basically, the manufacturer defined what is the extensions - and thats all.

so, my Freerunner is not a cellphone and is not a smartphone and it 
definitely not a pda .


It is a personal communication device (or center) that connecting my 
with the rest of the world, on the other side it is an extension of my 
computer.


so basically, I am looking for a new ways to connect me to the world 
from one side and from the other side I am looking for a new way to 
connect with my computer.


for example, we can check what is the blackberry. Rim, didn't build a 
new way to communicate, they just think different and build a device 
that use a regular tools to connect me to the world - this is innovation 
of the connection process between people based on regular tools.


I don't know what's about your freerunner - but I want that my 
freerunner will be more then that.


but, first of all, we need to think different.
location aware services - it easy .. voip - also easy (etc) - all this 
services and tools it's great (must to have)(and of course, we can 
improve this services for better live), but I hope that we can do more 
then that , I think that this is the real challenge.


also, I hope that the next hardware version have a bigger screen (I need 
to communicate with the device ) and a wimax chip ..it will make my life 
easier.

:-)


- doron


Michael Shiloh wrote:

Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the 
past few months.


Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility 
of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of 
creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, 
connected handheld computer.


I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of 
my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses 
that I can't even imagine yet.


It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and 
I hope that in some way I can help make it happen.


Michael

Peter Harrison wrote:
  

I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all.

The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that 
others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies 
making available only applications which earn them money you have not 
really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in 
the early 90's.


It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other 
ideas...


* IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - 
changes to GSM outside the office.

* In car navigation system.
* Low cost taxi fare system.
* Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to 
communicate.

* Robotic platform and robotic control
* Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and 
observations as low cost tablet.


The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the 
Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo 
is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many 
applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone 
functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that 
it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a 
dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of 
these applications possible.








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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[thomasg]

 You surely are right in some points, you might even be right with the
broken modem (still trying to figure that out), but I strongly disagree with
you in the most other points (off topic, but I'll reply anyway).

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> You may have one of the broken GSM modems. From my four phones two have
> a broken GSM - that's 50%.
>

My 1973 seems to be fine, I did calls with all images on the Freerunner,
too, and can't tell what are software-problems and what not.


> They constantly reconnect to the cell tower and inbetween the can't make
> phone calls and loose the GPRS connection but without notifying the
> pppd.
>

 Can't confirm this for 100% of the cases, I did some calls on the 1973 over
the last year, even ones with some minutes and it was fine. The main problem
was the miserable sound quality. At least that seems to be hardware-fixed in
GTA02.
Didn't test much GPRS, but had no loss of connection yet.

This is the same with the mature OM2007.2 images as well as with the
> professionally by Trolltech developed pure qtopia images, the ASU images
> the the new hyped FSO images.
>

Imho the OM2007.2 images are all but mature. Even ASU is more predictable
and reliable (except the Qtopia on X11 parts).
Qtopia is ok, Qtopia on X11 is a mess and still not really working most of
the time.

This is another hardware problem which is shared with the Neo 1973 and
> thus known since a year. The answer by Dr. Michael Lauer was "Guys, this
> is a Heisenbug. We pray that it does not occur too often in the field.".


I wonder that I haven't heard of this yet, but let's hope they are figure it
out and fix it.


>
> That is a very interesting engineering approach...
>

:(


>
> The bug in question is:
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024
>
>
> The big problem with Openmoko is this "not invented here" mentality. The
> OM2007.2 images were working well, GTK is a valid platform for mobile
> gadgets (see Nokia N700, N800, N810), you can add "bling" (see clutter)
> and there is a huge developer base. The qtopia port to X adds a second
> huge developer base.
>

Like said before, they are (at least for me) all but working well (not even
to mention the UI design with 2-color icons without ever knowing what they
might mean).
I don't see how GTK will bring the huge userbase. Nobody knew about
EFL/ASU/FSO from the release of neo1973 until december, but there barely was
any development.
In my opinion the reason is, that there was no real API, mostly not even
backends (except a messy GPSD and GSMD).
The FSO-stack is what's needed to get that API and to get the developers.
They don't want to have a 1-Toolkit-Strategy, they mostly want a nice stack
to work with and use for their frontend what ever they want. Btw. - the main
developer of the so called "Underground" realized that a year ago.
The userbase of Nokias Internet Tablet Series is huge, but it looks for me
as the developerbase isn't that big in relation, and that with a GTK-stack.
Even Nokia bought Trolltech, and I bet they'll drop GTK eventually (and this
is a huge sign, as GTK is LGPL and so much more interesting for commercial
and closed source apps than Qtopia with GPL and commercial licenses!). They
are paying the Trolltech folks now, and they are also paying EFL developers.
Looks like the CAN see beyond their own nose.
Qtopia doesn't add a huge developer base. Qtopia was used mainly in closed
environments, there is no open source developerbase. Note that I talk about
Qtopia, not about Qt. I like Qt as much I like GTK and I think both are
really necessary on the Openmoko platform (as much as I dislike much parts
of KDE and especially GNOME).

The biggest project with the NIH-syndrom is definitely GNOME. They do _all_
from scratch, they'd never ever use anything that's not from them. Hell, I'm
glad that there is FDO to coordinate between them and the (still imho) much
less arrogant KDE people.

The "bling"-argument with clutter can be just a joke, talking about a
platform without OpenGL capable drivers (and for the coming device even
without OpenGL capable hardware).


> But instead of going on and having a base for testing the hardware,
> there came this change to ASU and etk which probably 0.1% of Linux
> developers use. And despite what Lauer & Co try to make us believe, this
> alienates GTK and qt developers. Just look on the planets of KDE and
> GNOME - nearly no mentionings. The developer mailing list: a big void.
>

I don't see your point here (exepct that you are GTK- and maybe
GNOME-developer and don't like other platforms).
Etk behaves under Illume/Enlightenment just like GTK and Qt do. There's no
difference at all.
Nobody is forced to use Etk and nobody ever will. The difference is, that
you can use what you want without to be forced to use something specifically
(like Qtopia without X11). Im also glad, that it looks like there is no need
for Evolution and GConf in future, I personally don't like them 

Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Wolfgang Spraul]

Dear Marcus,
your mail touches many subjects and let me just pick out a few:

First of all thanks for buying 4 phones from us! We are still an 'Open  
Source project' more than a company and people need to believe in the  
bigger picture to buy from us now.

Believe it or not - we all eat our own dog food. You cannot believe  
how many mails Steve wrote to me complaining about his broken/buggy/ 
unchargeable/etc. Neo.
I admit that I am carrying two phones around with me, a Blackberry and  
a Neo.
Want to replace the Blackberry but we are not there yet.

> dogfood, i.e. using the Neo as their daily phone, things like
> oszillating GSM modems, non working GPS, SIM cards, deep discharge
> batteries, noisy headsets would have been since long ironed out.

Exactly our top priorities. I am amazed by how closely you are  
watching what's going on with Openmoko.
Let me just clarify this: We are not (knowingly) shipping defective  
products.
Our complete production testing software is under GPL now 
(http://git.openmoko.org/?p=system-test-suite.git;a=summary 
)
Every peripheral of every phone is tested in the factory.
(BTW, we are trying to open this up more, with open factory statistics  
etc. But that's a long-term goal)

So some people see bugs. All the things you list above.
In certain situations, certain countries, with certain GSM base  
stations, certain SIM cards, etc. etc.
And after months and months of improving the Neo, we decided to start  
shipping. Get more Neos out into real life, get more customer feedback.
Because in the end that's the only thing that can really focus the  
whole company.
Engineers are self-loving animals sometimes. Do not over-estimate the  
power Sean or me or Steve have over some of these guys.
But when the mailing lists have people who paid money for their  
phones, everybody will listen.

Openmoko is different, we do all this openly.
If you want to return your two non-working phones, I'm sure we find a  
solution. We will absolutely make sure that you get two fully  
functioning phones in return.
Hope this helps (a bit, I know you still have 2 phones with broken GSM  
as you say), keep us honest :-)
Best Regards,
Wolfgang

On Jul 9, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 09:25 +0200, thomasg wrote:
>> ASU works basically, but getting telephony work with it is a matter  
>> of
>> luck.
>> Mostly it doesn't work at all, mostly the qtopia phoneserver eats 90%
>> CPU..
>
> You may have one of the broken GSM modems. From my four phones two  
> have
> a broken GSM - that's 50%.
>
> They constantly reconnect to the cell tower and inbetween the can't  
> make
> phone calls and loose the GPRS connection but without notifying the
> pppd.
>
> This is the same with the mature OM2007.2 images as well as with the
> professionally by Trolltech developed pure qtopia images, the ASU  
> images
> the the new hyped FSO images.
>
>
> This is another hardware problem which is shared with the Neo 1973 and
> thus known since a year. The answer by Dr. Michael Lauer was "Guys,  
> this
> is a Heisenbug. We pray that it does not occur too often in the  
> field.".
>
> That is a very interesting engineering approach...
>
>
> The bug in question is:
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024
>
>
> The big problem with Openmoko is this "not invented here" mentality.  
> The
> OM2007.2 images were working well, GTK is a valid platform for mobile
> gadgets (see Nokia N700, N800, N810), you can add "bling" (see  
> clutter)
> and there is a huge developer base. The qtopia port to X adds a second
> huge developer base.
>
> But instead of going on and having a base for testing the hardware,
> there came this change to ASU and etk which probably 0.1% of Linux
> developers use. And despite what Lauer & Co try to make us believe,  
> this
> alienates GTK and qt developers. Just look on the planets of KDE and
> GNOME - nearly no mentionings. The developer mailing list: a big void.
>
> But the real problem here is that basically due to this reinventing  
> the
> wheel with ASU nobody inside Openmoko has ever really used the phones
> thus plenty of things which could have come up simply got lost. If  
> Sean,
> Wolfgang and Steve would have started to exclusivly eat their own
> dogfood, i.e. using the Neo as their daily phone, things like
> oszillating GSM modems, non working GPS, SIM cards, deep discharge
> batteries, noisy headsets would have been since long ironed out.
>
> Before now all the fanbois jump onto me and accuse me of trolling:
> in order to come to some lifestyle competitor of Apple the important
> thing is that the basics work and that they work reliably. Accepting
> brokeness as part of freedom is doing a disservice to the free  
> software
> world.
>
> And it is even more unacceptable as there were 5000 people buying a  
> Neo
> 1973 more or less for nothing. They all would have been more than  
> happy
> to participate in advancing the Neo.
>
> The point being: the Neo *is*

Found it.(GSM antenna port)

[Scott Derrick]

Vinc,

I found a description of disassembling the 1973 that describes where the 
GSM antenna connector is. They actually mention an alternative case that 
provides access to it.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973

Here's the picture of the component side

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lifted.jpg

looking at the lower right corner, you can see a hole through the board 
with the ground plane copper around it.  At 11 o'clock is a connector 
with a white square base facing away from the board. Thats it.   Looking 
at the FreeRunner board the connector is in the same place.

Scott

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Import Contacts

[smurfy - phil]

Hey,

i added a small script and infos at:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts

how to import vcf contacts to the default 2007.2 contacts application

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Re: Internal Connections

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 08 July 2008, Charles Pax wrote:
> Is there any way to commmunicate with the Freerunner through an internal
> connection (USB or serial, not I2C)? This would be useful in creating a bar
> code/RFID tag reader into the back cover. If not, is something like this
> planned for a future version?
>
> -Charles

There's a serial port available on the debug connector. IIRC pinout is on the 
GTA02 hardware page and/or the debug board page on the wiki. I think this may 
be shared with the GSM serial connection and switched between them by the 
state on another pin., but I'm not certain.

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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Mittwoch 09 Juli 2008 10:23:51 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
> This is another hardware problem which is shared with the Neo 1973 and
> thus known since a year. The answer by Dr. Michael Lauer was "Guys, this
> is a Heisenbug. We pray that it does not occur too often in the field.".
>
> That is a very interesting engineering approach...

Thanks for cutting my answer to make it look like I don't care.

Guys, please visit the bug  to see the full story.

:M:

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Re: Import Contacts

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 09 July 2008, smurfy - phil wrote:
> Hey,
>
> i added a small script and infos at:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts
>
> how to import vcf contacts to the default 2007.2 contacts application
>
> Phil

Does this work for files containing more than one contact, or just for one 
contact per file?


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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Marcus Bauer]

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 16:38 +0200, thomasg wrote:

> Like said before, they are (at least for me) all but working well (not
> even to mention the UI design with 2-color icons without ever knowing
> what they might mean).

Some of the icons are all but intuitive but this is a question of the
icons and not of the toolkit. 


> The FSO-stack is what's needed to get that API and to get the
> developers.

The FSO-stack is another case of reinventing the wheel. It sounds nice
on the paper but in reality this is a horror. There are PIM APIs like
eds and whatever in the KDE world or qtopia is used. It took years for
them to grow mature and nobody needs yet another API.

The thing is that Michael Lauer massively dislikes C and needs
everything reinvented in Python. C has its place in the embedded world
as much as Python has. But again we cut a huge slice out of the
developer base.

The current work separation between gsmd and phone-kit is a very clever
one, but again not invented here but at o-hand. There have been plenty
of alternatives been offered for the current gsmd but they were all
blocked out. And many of those people simply left. 


> The userbase of Nokias Internet Tablet Series is huge, but it looks
> for me as the developerbase isn't that big in relation, and that with
> a GTK-stack.

What makes you think this will be different with ETK? This means even
less developers.

> Even Nokia bought Trolltech, and I bet they'll drop GTK eventually

And shortly afterwards Nokia bought Symbian. They are not going to drop
any of the three. They just do everything to put up a front against
Google's Android. That's what they fear.

> They are paying the Trolltech folks now, and they are also paying EFL
> developers.

Yes, there is a cool application for connecting the N800 to your car
electronics and see into the engine management. The point being is that
there are way less ETK developers than GTK developers or qt developers

> Again on the developers: they had nothing to work with.

This is simply not true. It was just a lack of documentation. And I
can't help it, but this has been deliberately blocked in order to pave
the way for this ASU/FSO. Even developers from o-hand who developed for
Openmoko in their freetime finally left the boat being completely
disgusted by the fact of constantly running against walls.

>  FSO with it's dbus-api will make this much easier

IMHO this is just pure nonsense. I know that it has been repeated over
and over again by Michael Lauer because it is his baby. It is one big
pack that rather would be split in tiny packages. That makes development
and debugging a lot easier. Moreover this will take another two years
until it has some API stability. A huge API like this doesn't come
overnight.
Last not least: if you want to use your code in the future on a moblin
device you are just doomed/trapped in an API that nobody else uses.









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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

> > They are paying the Trolltech folks now, and they are also paying
> > EFL developers.
> Yes, there is a cool application for connecting the N800 to your car
> electronics and see into the engine management.
Which  one is that?
(just googled up carman: http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/index.html,
this one?)

I already dropped a note about openmoko on openecu
forum mentioning freerunner as a plausible platform to craft a nice
mobile monitoring software for ECUs (via OBDII or smth better like
Subaru select monitor interface). Unfortunately I don't know much about
status of openmoko development, neither about ECU related software. Thus
I couldn't suggest any plausible start point (besides mentioning
RomRaider since I wasn't aware about carman or any other Maemo-based
software)

http://forums.openecu.org/viewtopic.php?t=3514

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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[arne anka]

>> The FSO-stack is what's needed to get that API and to get the
>> developers.
>
> The FSO-stack is another case of reinventing the wheel. It sounds nice
> on the paper but in reality this is a horror. There are PIM APIs like
> eds and whatever in the KDE world or qtopia is used. It took years for
> them to grow mature and nobody needs yet another API.

how far are they toolkit independent? ie do these apis work with  
gtk/etk/whatever or are they deeply integrated with kde/qtopia?


> The thing is that Michael Lauer massively dislikes C and needs
> everything reinvented in Python. C has its place in the embedded world
> as much as Python has. But again we cut a huge slice out of the
> developer base.

well, you need somebody willing to put some effort into things -- and it  
helps, if you love it.


> This is simply not true. It was just a lack of documentation. And I
> can't help it, but this has been deliberately blocked in order to pave
> the way for this ASU/FSO. Even developers from o-hand who developed for
> Openmoko in their freetime finally left the boat being completely
> disgusted by the fact of constantly running against walls.

i wouldn't know about that -- but as much as i would like you to ask for  
proof: i think it only will force this thread down the slope into a flame  
war which will solve nothing.

>>  FSO with it's dbus-api will make this much easier
>
> IMHO this is just pure nonsense. I know that it has been repeated over
> and over again by Michael Lauer because it is his baby.


i think those argumenta ad personam aren't going anywhere.
i don't know about past wars and fights and honestly -- i am not  
interested at all.
so let's just skip the "i don't like X because X likes Y" part and come to  
something useful:

- what makes you think fso will not solve anything (besides the already  
mentioned problem of maturity)
- what toolkit agnostic apis are available

> Last not least: if you want to use your code in the future on a moblin
> device you are just doomed/trapped in an API that nobody else uses.

well, what api do you see coming to be used on future moblin devices? as  
far as i can see both of the approaches (limo and google) are basically  
closed, exposing a careful selected window to the devices.


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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Tilman Baumann]

Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
>>> They are paying the Trolltech folks now, and they are also paying
>>> EFL developers.
>> Yes, there is a cool application for connecting the N800 to your car
>> electronics and see into the engine management.
> Which  one is that?
> (just googled up carman: http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/index.html,
> this one?)

Hehe, was just researching how much effort it would be to port to openmoko.
Does not look too bad. It runs python and uses gtk or efl as frameworks.
It heavily uses hildon stuff, but mot of them should be easily replaceable.
I'm not going to do this in the next time. But it seems doable.
What i did not check yet is how much their interface code depends on 
screen resolution. I expect very much.
But regarding the small screen on openmoko, some redesign seems a good 
idea anyways...

The nice thing would be that openmoko could provide accelerometer data 
and gps out of the box...


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Better keyboard?

[Arne Zachlod]

Hi there!

is it possible to get an better keyboard than this handy- keyboard at 
the moment in the GTK-release? does anyone knows this? i think there is 
somethink like an keyboard- canger, but i cant find any information 
about that.

thanks, Arne

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Re: T-Mobile with ASU on GTA01?

[Marcus Bauer]

On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 17:29 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 09 Juli 2008 10:23:51 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
> > This is another hardware problem which is shared with the Neo 1973 and
> > thus known since a year. The answer by Dr. Michael Lauer was "Guys, this
> > is a Heisenbug. We pray that it does not occur too often in the field.".
> >
> > That is a very interesting engineering approach...
> 
> Thanks for cutting my answer to make it look like I don't care.

The investigation into the probelem simply stopped. If finding the
solution is out of your abilites then simply forward the problem to
somebody else. For heaven's sake, what is the key function of a mobile
phone? Exactly, making calls. The cheapest phone you buy at your local
vendor will do so. If you run into a hardware/firmware bug that prevents
users from doing so, then forward the problem to somebody who can solve
it.

There was a even a mail from Erin concerning this subject:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014122.html

And one day you abandon the bug. You simply did not care. At least the
test procedures would have needed to be adapted adequately to catch
those phones.


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Re: Import Contacts

[Stroller]

On 9 Jul 2008, at 16:26, smurfy - phil wrote:
>
> i added a small script and infos at:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts
>
> how to import vcf contacts to the default 2007.2 contacts application

Further to the recent "questions about our mailinglists" thread, ISTM  
that this is more suitable for device-owners than the wider community  
list.

Stroller.
  

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US Shipping

[Matthew Lane]

Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko 
store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)

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Re: Better keyboard?

[Konstantin]

Hi!

Arne Zachlod wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> is it possible to get an better keyboard than this handy- keyboard at 
> the moment in the GTK-release? does anyone knows this? i think there is 
> somethink like an keyboard- canger, but i cant find any information 
> about that.

Actually, there is:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards

Works fine for me, have been using the other keyboard for some time now, and it
works like a charm. Even Ctrl-C is possible, which helps a great deal on the
terminal :)

> thanks, Arne

HTH,
Konstantin

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RE: US Shipping

[McCreery, Lee CTR DISA]

Steve sent a mail to the list last night that they had issue at
warehouse that held things up.  They think they have worked them out and
should start shipping today.  I have not received and shipment
information thus far...Order # 1356.



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Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko 
store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)

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Re: US Shipping

[Tilman Baumann]

Matthew Lane wrote:
> Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko 
> store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)

Could you please not use reply for starting a new thread?
Your mailer is smarter than you:
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



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Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Pranav Desai]

Hello All,

I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here

http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php

Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location.

Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

Thanks for your time.

-- Pranav

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Re: US Shipping

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Tilman Baumann skrev:

Matthew Lane wrote:
  
Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko 
store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)



Could you please not use reply for starting a new thread?
Your mailer is smarter than you:
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I agree
If you are starting a new tread, start one, dont continue
(you are messing up my thunderbird view)
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Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Tilman Baumann]

Pranav Desai wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
> Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here
> 
> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
> 
> Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location.
> 
> Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

These are the qtopia X11 builds. Also known as ASU.

The 'old' pure qtipia images are still available.
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/openmoko-qtopia-image-om-gta01.tar.gz
They evolved from the official trolltech builds. But are a bit more sane 
packetized AFAIK.


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Re: US Shipping

[Steven **]

I've got order #1210.  I haven't received any shipping information
either.  I'm not sure if we should expect an email when our order has
shipped or not.

-Steven

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:42 AM, McCreery, Lee CTR DISA
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve sent a mail to the list last night that they had issue at
> warehouse that held things up.  They think they have worked them out and
> should start shipping today.  I have not received and shipment
> information thus far...Order # 1356.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Lane
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:35 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: US Shipping
>
> Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko
> store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)
>

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US Shipping

[Ken Young]

McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote:

> Steve sent a mail to the list last night that they had issue at
> warehouse that held things up.  They think they have worked them out and
> should start shipping today.  I have not received and shipment
> information thus far...Order # 1356.

The subject line of Steve's post was "Phones are headed out of fremont
CA." which suggets that shipping began yesterday.   For what it's
worth, I've heard nothing either (order 1367).

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slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

[Paul Wouters]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail

Customers who purchase an iPhone and sign up for a three-year
contract any time between July 11 – when the device goes on sale
– and the end of August will be eligible for a $30-per-month
data plan giving them access to 6-Gigabytes of data. Rogers
previously had charged $100 for a 6-GB plan.

Though mostly meant for the iphone, they say:

The special plan is available not just to iPhone customers,
but any Rogers customer with a 3G next-generation smart phone.

Though Rogers claims to have "listened to customer feedback", the article
also quotes:

One blog posting on AppleInsider.com, a popular Apple rumour
site, stated that Apple would divert some iPhone shipments that
had been earmarked for Rogers to Europe for punishment over the
negative publicity, leaving some Rogers outlets with as few as
10 iPhones to sell.

Time to get a USB 3G dongle that works on laptop and openmoko. Though getting
the 3G subscription might allow you the same rates on the 2G network perhaps?

Paul

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Re: Better keyboard?

[arne anka]

http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15

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RE: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

[Crane, Matthew]

"listened to customer feedback" == anticipated customer backlash and 
competitors taking advantage of backlash

Rogers SUCKS!! 
 

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail

Customers who purchase an iPhone and sign up for a three-year
contract any time between July 11 – when the device goes on sale
– and the end of August will be eligible for a $30-per-month
data plan giving them access to 6-Gigabytes of data. Rogers
previously had charged $100 for a 6-GB plan.

Though mostly meant for the iphone, they say:

The special plan is available not just to iPhone customers,
but any Rogers customer with a 3G next-generation smart phone.

Though Rogers claims to have "listened to customer feedback", the article
also quotes:

One blog posting on AppleInsider.com, a popular Apple rumour
site, stated that Apple would divert some iPhone shipments that
had been earmarked for Rogers to Europe for punishment over the
negative publicity, leaving some Rogers outlets with as few as
10 iPhones to sell.

Time to get a USB 3G dongle that works on laptop and openmoko. Though getting
the 3G subscription might allow you the same rates on the 2G network perhaps?

Paul

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RE: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

[Dave O'Connor]

Ah yes, but rogers now sucks slightly less than the rest.

Bell and Telus just started charging for *incoming* texts.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Crane, Matthew wrote:



"listened to customer feedback" == anticipated customer backlash and 
competitors taking advantage of backlash

Rogers SUCKS!!


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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:32 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail

Customers who purchase an iPhone and sign up for a three-year
contract any time between July 11 – when the device goes on sale
– and the end of August will be eligible for a $30-per-month
data plan giving them access to 6-Gigabytes of data. Rogers
previously had charged $100 for a 6-GB plan.

Though mostly meant for the iphone, they say:

The special plan is available not just to iPhone customers,
but any Rogers customer with a 3G next-generation smart phone.

Though Rogers claims to have "listened to customer feedback", the article
also quotes:

One blog posting on AppleInsider.com, a popular Apple rumour
site, stated that Apple would divert some iPhone shipments that
had been earmarked for Rogers to Europe for punishment over the
negative publicity, leaving some Rogers outlets with as few as
10 iPhones to sell.

Time to get a USB 3G dongle that works on laptop and openmoko. Though getting
the 3G subscription might allow you the same rates on the 2G network perhaps?

Paul

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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
> you meen 369 USD ?

Well, yes but he's including also 2 years of warranty and extra goodies.

> Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on 
> this.

If you're in Europe, I think that buying from USA isn't so cheap since 
there are high import taxes and you don't have any warranty.

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Re: Internal Connections

[Joachim Steiger]

Charles Pax wrote:
> Is there any way to commmunicate with the Freerunner through an internal
> connection (USB or serial, not I2C)? This would be useful in creating a bar
> code/RFID tag reader into the back cover. If not, is something like this
> planned for a future version?

planned not afaik. too many different standards yet incompatible with
each other... (eg. 15.56MHz or rather 125kHz?)

but of course you could add one yourself.

we have added i2c, spi and a the debug serial not only on the debug
connector, but also on the golden testpads surrounding it on gta02, so
access via soldering or flatcable is easy and possible.
only VCC is not.
(because there were no free ldo with enough spare current or so)

for the pinout see this picture:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/a4/Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG

the print on the pcb in the middle shows the arrangement of the golden
pads around the debug connector (right lower corner)


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Qtopia 4.4

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Is it something different from what we already have on git.openmoko.org?
Since I've only heard rumors about it...

Anyway what are its key-points? QtWebKit support, Freerunner support, 
then what else?

Any release date is planned for freerunner owners?

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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Hugo Mills]

On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 08:29:40PM +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" wrote:
> Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
> > you meen 369 USD ?
> 
> Well, yes but he's including also 2 years of warranty and extra goodies.
> 
> > Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on 
> > this.
> 
> If you're in Europe, I think that buying from USA isn't so cheap since 
> there are high import taxes and you don't have any warranty.

   Import of mobile phones from the USA to the UK is zero-rated for
import duty. You still have to pay VAT (at 17.5%) on the goods and
shipping, but that's it.

   Hugo.

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Re: US Shipping

[Brad Pitcher]

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

  
  
Tilman Baumann skrev:
  
Matthew Lane wrote:
  

  Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko 
store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)



Could you please not use reply for starting a new thread?
Your mailer is smarter than you:
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



  
  
I agree
If you are starting a new tread, start one, dont continue
(you are messing up my thunderbird view)
  

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Re: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

[Philippe Guillebert]

Dave O'Connor wrote:
> Bell and Telus just started charging for *incoming* texts.

The whole thread is just completely insane from an European point of 
view... Your telcos really look greedy from here.

Sorry for you guys,

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RE: US Shipping

[Randy Schnedler]

I received an email notification from openmoko overnight. It included the UPS 
tracking number. My order was shipped late yesterday and is in transit today. 
Order number 1087.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:16 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: US Shipping

McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote:

> Steve sent a mail to the list last night that they had issue at
> warehouse that held things up.  They think they have worked them out and
> should start shipping today.  I have not received and shipment
> information thus far...Order # 1356.

The subject line of Steve's post was "Phones are headed out of fremont
CA." which suggets that shipping began yesterday.   For what it's
worth, I've heard nothing either (order 1367).

Ken Young


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Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Lorn Potter]

Pranav Desai wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
> Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here
> 
> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
> 
> Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location.

I will put a new image up for the 1973 today.


> 
> Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko.



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Re: Qtopia 4.4

[Lorn Potter]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Is it something different from what we already have on git.openmoko.org?
> Since I've only heard rumors about it...
> 
> Anyway what are its key-points? QtWebKit support, Freerunner support, 
> then what else?
> 
> Any release date is planned for freerunner owners?

Yes, we do have a release coming soon, and there will be 1973 and 
freerunner images available.


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Re: US Shipping

[John Reese]

Brad Pitcher wrote:
> Does Thunderbird have an add-on to display threads?  I thought I had 
> used one in the past, but now I can't find it.

View -> Sort by -> Threaded/Unthreaded

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Re: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

[Mathieu Charron]

you know, I don't think the "price cut" will change anything. the 6GB
for 30$ is for a limited time (until the end of August) when you
activate your 3 years iphone contract.

what does this mean: Canadian will suck it, Complainer will get
strange look, nobody's win.

Sorry, but Canadian are not united, and thus the Monopoly of Rogers
and the Bell & Telus Cartel control what's gonna happen in the
Wireless world.

as for my source: http://micro.newswire.ca/84735-0.html
this is the official Rogers (TSX: RCI) news feed... and it's no where
mention that the 6GB for 30$ is available to other.
also Fido flagship store in Montreal will open 2 hours sooner.
http://your.rogers.com/investorrelations/news_communications.asp

you to decide if the suck ( I think they do)

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Dave O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ah yes, but rogers now sucks slightly less than the rest.
>
> Bell and Telus just started charging for *incoming* texts.
>
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Crane, Matthew wrote:
>
>>
>> "listened to customer feedback" == anticipated customer backlash and
>> competitors taking advantage of backlash
>>
>> Rogers SUCKS!!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Wouters
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:32 PM
>> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
>> Subject: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail
>>
>>Customers who purchase an iPhone and sign up for a three-year
>>contract any time between July 11 â€" when the device goes on sale
>>â€" and the end of August will be eligible for a $30-per-month
>>data plan giving them access to 6-Gigabytes of data. Rogers
>>previously had charged $100 for a 6-GB plan.
>>
>> Though mostly meant for the iphone, they say:
>>
>>The special plan is available not just to iPhone customers,
>>but any Rogers customer with a 3G next-generation smart phone.
>>
>> Though Rogers claims to have "listened to customer feedback", the article
>> also quotes:
>>
>>One blog posting on AppleInsider.com, a popular Apple rumour
>>site, stated that Apple would divert some iPhone shipments that
>>had been earmarked for Rogers to Europe for punishment over the
>>negative publicity, leaving some Rogers outlets with as few as
>>10 iPhones to sell.
>>
>> Time to get a USB 3G dongle that works on laptop and openmoko. Though
>> getting
>> the 3G subscription might allow you the same rates on the 2G network
>> perhaps?
>>
>> Paul
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Re: US Shipping

[Tilman Baumann]

Brad Pitcher wrote:

> Does Thunderbird have an add-on to display threads?  I thought I had 
> used one in the past, but now I can't find it.

View->Sort By->Threaded

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Re: Qtopia 4.4

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>> Any release date is planned for freerunner owners?
> 
> Yes, we do have a release coming soon, and there will be 1973 and 
> freerunner images available.

Can you quantize the "soon" word? Days? Weeks? Months? :P

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Re: slightly off topic: Rogers Canada slashes data plan pricing

[Dave O'Connor]

Yep, that's why I won't be giving them my money. I'm on a fido pay as you 
go plan now. $10 a month, 30cent per minute calls. I don't use my 
cellphone much but if they had decent plans I'd use it a lot more. This 
$30 plan is interesting but that depends on if it requires me to sign up 
for other "services" too and sign into a ridiculous term contract along 
with system access fee scams. If it does then I'll just stick with wifi.

At least then I can get faster speeds and coffee for probably less than 
all those would cost per month :)

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Philippe Guillebert wrote:

> Dave O'Connor wrote:
>> Bell and Telus just started charging for *incoming* texts.
>
> The whole thread is just completely insane from an European point of
> view... Your telcos really look greedy from here.
>
> Sorry for you guys,
>
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Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Yorick Moko]

Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

such a long filename and "ASU" isn't even mentioned in the name :)


On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pranav Desai wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
> > Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here
> >
> > http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
> >
> > Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct
> location.
>
> I will put a new image up for the 1973 today.
>
>
> >
> > Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
> >
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
>
> Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko.
>
>
>
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Pick up in fremont

[steve]

 

 Pick up service in Fremont California will work like this.

1. You have to order a 10 pack. We won't do pick up service for single
items.
2. You Enter your shipping address as the address of the Fremont facility.
3. You call the Shipping department and schedule a PRECISE pick up time.
4. You bring confirmation of your order.
5. You Bring ID.

 


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Re: US Shipping

[Brad Pitcher]

John Reese wrote:
> Brad Pitcher wrote:
>   
>> Does Thunderbird have an add-on to display threads?  I thought I had 
>> used one in the past, but now I can't find it.
>> 
>
> View -> Sort by -> Threaded/Unthreaded
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>   
Oh yeah.  That's beautiful.  Thanks

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Re: Internal Connections

[Charles Pax]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Joachim Steiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> we have added i2c, spi and a the debug serial not only on the debug
> connector, but also on the golden testpads surrounding it on gta02, so
> access via soldering or flatcable is easy and possible.
> only VCC is not.
> (because there were no free ldo with enough spare current or so)
>
> for the pinout see this picture:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/a4/Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG
>
> the print on the pcb in the middle shows the arrangement of the golden
> pads around the debug connector (right lower corner)
>

Thanks for the info.

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Tracking numbers

[steve]

 
 I visited fremont this morning and spoke to the wharehouse manager and
shipping director.
Emails will be going out with tracking numbers  as the units ship.


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Re: Pick up in fremont

[Jim Morris]

steve wrote:
>  
> 
>  Pick up service in Fremont California will work like this.
> 
> 1. You have to order a 10 pack. We won't do pick up service for single
> items.
> 2. You Enter your shipping address as the address of the Fremont facility.
> 3. You call the Shipping department and schedule a PRECISE pick up time.
> 4. You bring confirmation of your order.
> 5. You Bring ID.

Ok thats nice, but I already ordered a ten pack because I didn't want to miss 
the initial batch, so 
can I still pick them up? Whats the phone number of the shipping department?

I have emailed several times with no answer so I'll resort to using this ML, 
sorry everyone else.



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x offset in landscape mode

[Michael Kluge]

Hi all,

I have a slight problem with the landscape mode. It seems that the 
touchscreen subtracts
some value from the x position where I touched the screen with the 
stylus. The y value
seems to be fine.  If I tap on the '+' on the bottom of the screen it 
looks like I tapped
the 'home' icon. I this a known problem? Has anyone tried the landscape 
mode and
found that everything is OK?


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Re: Where is Qtopia image on qtopia.net for GTA01

[Pranav Desai]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pranav Desai wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I wanted to try out the Qtopia image provided by trolltech on my
>> Neo1973, but the only image I could find was for the freerunner here
>>
>> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php
>>
>> Can I use the same one? If not then can anyone point me to correct location.
>
> I will put a new image up for the 1973 today.
>

Great !

Thanks

-- Pranav

>
>>
>> Also, is this qtopia image similar to the one here
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200807/20080708/Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080708-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
>
> Thats not Qtopia, thats ASU from Openmoko.
>
>
>
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Re: x offset in landscape mode

[Konstantin]

Hi there!

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a slight problem with the landscape mode. It seems that the 
> touchscreen subtracts
> some value from the x position where I touched the screen with the 
> stylus. The y value
> seems to be fine.  If I tap on the '+' on the bottom of the screen it 
> looks like I tapped
> the 'home' icon. I this a known problem? Has anyone tried the landscape 
> mode and
> found that everything is OK?

I have the same problem. There is already a bug report in the bugtracker, see
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244.

> 
> Regards, Michael

Regards,
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Re: Tracking numbers

[Dustin Knie]

Thanks for the update. This should ease the minds of a lot of us waiting for
shipment/tracking info.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:15 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  I visited fremont this morning and spoke to the wharehouse manager and
> shipping director.
> Emails will be going out with tracking numbers  as the units ship.
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
  

you meen 369 USD ?



Well, yes but he's including also 2 years of warranty and extra goodies.

  
Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on 
this.



If you're in Europe, I think that buying from USA isn't so cheap since 
there are high import taxes and you don't have any warranty.


  

No import tax, or any other taxes :)

And the shipping from US to Norway cost for all ten the same as the 
extra on two phones ;)
We have paid 2500 NOK (about 488USD) for each mobile (this include 
shipping and some stupid tax (25%) that is on every thing we buy, even 
non import gods).


The math says it cheaper.
And about the warranty, I think its going to be okey ;)
And as I said, its not my call.

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Re: x offset in landscape mode

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On 9 Jul 2008, at 20:28, Michael Kluge wrote:
> ...
> I have a slight problem with the landscape mode. It seems that the  
> touchscreen subtracts some value from the x position where I  
> touched the screen with the stylus. The y value seems to be fine.  
> If I tap on the '+' on the bottom of the screen it looks like I  
> tapped the 'home' icon. I this a known problem? Has anyone tried  
> the landscape mode and found that everything is OK?

Further to the recent "questions about our mailinglists" thread, ISTM  
that this is more suitable for device-owners than the wider community  
list.

As I see it you have a device in your hand and you want to hear from  
other users who have devices in their hands => device-owners, "a list  
where owners of openmoko devices can share their experiences".
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/

I hope you're not offended by this suggestion, and I hope you get  
helpful replies.

It might be beneficial to state that you're using a Freerunner  
(rather than the earlier Neo 1973) and to mention which firmware  
image you're using on it (even if just to say "I'm using the firmware  
that came on it from the factory").

Stroller.


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Re: Found it.(GSM antenna port)

[Vinc Duran]

Wow. Perfect then. You might have to find the alternative back but that
should be possible. My coworker says, "burn a little hole in the back you
have with a hot soldering iron". He likes those straightforward hardware
mods. I'd be looking for a different back myself. :-)

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Scott Derrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Vinc,
>
> I found a description of disassembling the 1973 that describes where the
> GSM antenna connector is. They actually mention an alternative case that
> provides access to it.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973
>
> Here's the picture of the component side
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lifted.jpg
>
> looking at the lower right corner, you can see a hole through the board
> with the ground plane copper around it.  At 11 o'clock is a connector with a
> white square base facing away from the board. Thats it.   Looking at the
> FreeRunner board the connector is in the same place.
>
> Scott
>
> --
>
> -
>   Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within
> limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within
> the limits of the law," because law is often but the tyrant's will, and
> always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
>
>   Thomas Jefferson
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Kernel to run with Milestone 1 of FSO

[Bobby Martin]

I built a FSO kernel the other night that fixes the problem with hanging up
in Milestone 1 FSO.  Sorry, FreeRunner owners, I only built the Neo1973
version.

If you install this kernel with the Milestone 1 jffs2 on your Neo1973, you
should get the behavior described on
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_UI_Tutorial

The kernel:
http://static.frimp.net/neo/uImage-2.6.24+git0+9250c1fc7d6f62075d14ad8f396748490a55d61e-r0-om-gta01.bin
The Milestone 1 jffs2:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/Openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080617-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2

I think when I use the Milestone 1 kernel, I can't hang up calls - the two
buttons for Hold & Hang up are blank.  This kernel fixes that.

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Re: Import Contacts

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 09 July 2008, Al Johnson wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 July 2008, smurfy - phil wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > i added a small script and infos at:
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts
> >
> > how to import vcf contacts to the default 2007.2 contacts application
> >
> > Phil
>
> Does this work for files containing more than one contact, or just for one
> contact per file?

Thanks Phil. I tweaked it to get it to work with more than one contact per 
file as exported by my K700i. It should work as before if there's just one 
contact per file. Here's the modified bit.

for name in names:
  print name
  vcard = ""
  f=open(name,'r')
  for line in f:
   vcard = vcard + line
   if line[:9] == "END:VCARD":
 getAddressBook().addContact(vcard)
 vcard = ""

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Re: Better keyboard?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, there is:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards

FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
at the same time.
Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
That would be nice.
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: US Shipping

[Randy S.]

I tried to respond earlier but ... (irony) ... it was with my old
Windows Mobile (HTC Wizard) and email is extremely unreliable.

I have order 1087 and received an email last night (Tuesday July 8)
around 9pm. It contained a simple message with the UPS tracking
number. Tracking it via UPS today shows it's on schedule for deliver
tomorrow (July 10). (I ordered two-day air.)


On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko
> store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)
>
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Phone ideas

[Brent]

I have a few awesome ideas for the phone.

My first one is a basic guitar tuner using the mic.

My second one is some kind of phone home ability where if I misplaced
my phone, I can txt a secret phrase from a friends phone and have the
Freerunner automatically txt back the GPS coordinates. (could also be
used if your phone is stolen)

My third is the ability to look up local businesses and etc based on
my GPS location. Lets say I want a place to get some pizza when I'm
out, I just the program to find local pizza places that are open
(using google's tools)

My last idea is the ability to have a random ringtone for each
different call or for each day (for those people who love to change
their ringtones)

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Re: Phone ideas

[Steven **]

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Brent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a few awesome ideas for the phone.
>
> My first one is a basic guitar tuner using the mic.

See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Guitar_Tuning
and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List for the rest

Not that they aren't good ideas...

-Steven

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Re: GPS

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

I'm having some trouble getting GPS to work on my Freerunner

Having installed gpsd and tangogps, I tried starting gpsd and got:

Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check
/etc/default/gpsd

and tangogps couldn't find the gps receiver

I saw this irc log:

http://www.hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko/2008/February/20080203_openmoko.log

So I tried this:

gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP

and tangogps could at least find the receiver, but didn't find any satellites.

Is "gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP" necessary on the Freerunner?

Is there another way?

Why doesn't the init script work?

Regards

Jeff

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which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)

[Michael Kluge]

> Further to the recent "questions about our mailinglists" thread, ISTM
> that this is more suitable for device-owners than the wider community
> list.
> As I see it you have a device in your hand and you want to hear from
> other users who have devices in their hands => device-owners, "a list
> where owners of openmoko devices can share their experiences".
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/

Hmm. That would apply to all:
* no quick fix for my GPS
* my SIM does not work
* gta02 won't charge
threads as well? It is probably the best idea to write to both lists (I was 
not aware of the other list up to now). Or to merge them? As more freerunners 
are beeing shipped the difference in #people subscribed to both lists should 
become rather small.

> I hope you're not offended by this suggestion, and I hope you get
> helpful replies.

No. I already did :)


Michael

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Re: GPS

[simarillion]

Just have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd
in the section "GPS on Gta02"


Greets 
Michael


On Thursday 10 July 2008 07:57:19 Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> I'm having some trouble getting GPS to work on my Freerunner
>
> Having installed gpsd and tangogps, I tried starting gpsd and got:
>
> Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check
> /etc/default/gpsd
>
> and tangogps couldn't find the gps receiver
>
> I saw this irc log:
>
> http://www.hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko/2008/February/20080203_open
>moko.log
>
> So I tried this:
>
> gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP
>
> and tangogps could at least find the receiver, but didn't find any
> satellites.
>
> Is "gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP" necessary on the Freerunner?
>
> Is there another way?
>
> Why doesn't the init script work?
>
> Regards
>
> Jeff
>
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Re: GPS

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

2008/7/10 simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Just have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd

Ah. Thanks. I hadn't spotted that.

Why hasn't this been corrected in the gpsd package?

Regards

Jeff

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