A Few Questions (Regarding images, wpa_supplicant, and core programs)

2008-07-16 Thread malane
Here are a few questions as I'm getting myself situation with the FreeRunner: 1. My Messages program seems to take forever to load text messages from a contact. Loading the list of contacts is great, and writing SMS to a contact also works well, but when I click to view the list of all text

Re: Wiki editors

2008-07-16 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hi, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:42 AM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: +1 on [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 here Yes, this gets my vote too. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
Ever thought about I might feel personally offended by you publically assuming I sell hw I *know* or even have suspect there is a HW-bug in it. Nope. I have not ever made that assumption. I assumed you didn't know you had been selling buggy hardware. Thats the problem. Did you

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
However,.. one must really think why this problem didn't turn out in the factory tests :-( Yes. That is indeed something that must be thought about. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
For something as evocative as this GPS/SD issue, I'd like to see at *least* daily updates posted to an official website or blog (not wiki). Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers, because to those who are

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To say the true I never saw a firm to admit the problem and to start to work for a fix in 11h! Steven Kurylo wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:50:50PM -0500, Robert Horton wrote:

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 09:22 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Alejandro - This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC aware of it? Aware of it? You must be kidding. Dear Wolfgang, there remains one question that the community has to you and it is even more

Re: dfu-util problems

2008-07-16 Thread Jayesh Salvi
Thanks man. That's awesome script. For newbies: In addition to above script you should also update /etc/resolve.conf to reflect the contents of your host machine. Without that hostname to IP resolution will fails and 'opkg update' won't work. Jayesh On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Eildert

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Kalle Happonen
Jay Vaughan wrote: For something as evocative as this GPS/SD issue, I'd like to see at *least* daily updates posted to an official website or blog (not wiki). Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers,

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
To say the true I never saw a firm to admit the problem and to start to work for a fix in 11h! Please do not ignore the fact that GPS has been complained about for months. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers, because to those who are observing the OpenMoko project - not participating - the SD+GPS testing issue is a *huge* screw up. No, the SD+GPS issue is a bug.

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Marcus, Why have you not used the phone yourselves? We are using it. Why are you abusing the community in such a shameless way? We don't. We are just working as hard and smart as we can. A pretty awesome group of people actually, and obviously our community (including critical people like

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Kalle Happonen
Jay Vaughan wrote: Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers, because to those who are observing the OpenMoko project - not participating - the SD+GPS testing issue is a *huge* screw up. No, the SD+GPS

Re: In the press

2008-07-16 Thread BrendaWang
Dear Matt: Openmoko Wiki just like WIKIPEDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki Wiki) is a public place everyone can create page , and edit. Actually , on Openmoko wiki, we have thousand pages. Some topic(page) is very popular , many people maintains the same page, so it updated soon. And some

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Christophe Badoit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Anton Mitterer a écrit : On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 00:37 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: This GPS problem shows a lot about the community vs openmoko. Some try to help (developers?) Some complain (regular users?) A lot of regular

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Did openmoko said that they will not gonna solve this?, I have only eared that they are studying the BEST way to solve this, so please don't FUD about totally false no go. Even the sd+glamo is not bloking to have some more better graphics than mobile media (not awesome but decent at last)

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Andrew Bennett
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the GPS bug, expect an update before the end of the week. Unfortunately, this seems like a case where OpenMoko's openness is really hurting it. A closed company probably would have waited to publicly acknowledge the

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Kalle Happonen
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 08:45 +0200, Kalle Happonen wrote: Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers, because to those who are observing the OpenMoko project - not participating - the SD+GPS

Re: In the press

2008-07-16 Thread BrendaWang
Jay Vaughan ??: This stood out for me The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki... Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content and schedule it for updating? I think,

Re: In the press

2008-07-16 Thread BrendaWang
About the public forum for discussion of the news, here is the page on wiki , might help. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums matt joyce ??: Jay Vaughan wrote: This stood out for me The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki... Is

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread Jose Luis Garduno
for a super simple server check out a post in nokia's forum, jkirma posted a pretty simple web server for PYS60, just remove the S60 specific part and that should be it. http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124217 talking about python, has anybody tried twisted on the FR?

Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Federico Lorenzi wrote: So from my understanding the FR can run off USB but not boot off it? Software issue, not hardware. Once uBoot is updated to a recent version the FR should be able to boot off USB power with no battery. You will have to do this using dfu-util -

Turning off the tap sound?

2008-07-16 Thread Dirk Bergstrom
Back in June there was a thread about turning off the tap/click feedback when you touch the screen. Towards the end Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: *) I still like my tap sound. *) Almost all people do not want the tap sound. *) You will be able to turn off the tap ;) However, I haven't

Including users in development (was: Reason for GPS problems found!)

2008-07-16 Thread Msquared
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:37:15AM -0700, Andrew Bennett wrote: On the GPS bug, expect an update before the end of the week. Unfortunately, this seems like a case where OpenMoko's openness is really hurting it. I disagree. I think it's great that we can see what goes on under the hood,

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
Hi Jay- Jay Vaughan ??: To say the true I never saw a firm to admit the problem and to start to work for a fix in 11h! Please do not ignore the fact that GPS has been complained about for months. I think this main reason is our test environment is badly synced

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread john
I also believe the GPS is a core feature of the phone and one area I am slightly disappointed in is the testing. For example, there are some experienced users of GPS here and some who have used GPS on the 1973 since it became usable. Were prototype Freerunners sent out to these people? If so how

Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-16 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. If the battery is replaced quickly

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread john
Yeh, using a web server + CGI is quite a nice way of avoiding native GUI development on a phone. You could install lighttpd which supports CGI and then have a choice of language for the CGI program themselves. John. 2008/7/16 Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Basically all of my experience

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
Wow, Jay. I think it may be time to step away from the computer and calm down. Okay, I've done this. There may be a complete fix for this within a few days, so there's little reason to write antagonistic messages to the very people who are working hard to fix this. Its really important

Re: GPS external antenna socket

2008-07-16 Thread Joseph Reeves
It's mmcx; there's plenty of commercially available antennas available for cheap that will fit. Post results of some comparative testing if you buy one ;-) Joseph 2008/7/16 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What standard is the GPS external antenna socket on GTA02? Are any antennas for

Happy customer

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Just a few words to let those working hard how grateful I am for making the FreeRunner happen. I know there are still many bugs/room for improvement but the dedication shown on this list gives me great hope that they will be addressed in time. Julien.

LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Are the LEDS supposed to be working now ? I'm using the factory image upgraded through opkg upgrade but have not seen any light so far. Julien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/7/16 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Did you consider the public image that's being created by a statement like Ah well, this seems not to work. So the brick is useless for me. Damn the day I bought it If you can't understand why people would be frustrated to learn that something as

Provider missed calls messages

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
At the moment, I don't get any notification that someone let a message on my provider answering machine, only that I missed a call, regardless of any message. Is this feature doable, being worked on ? Julien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread Bastian Feder
hoi, same with my OM. No lights, any time ;o( // Bastian On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the LEDS supposed to be working now ? I'm using the factory image upgraded through opkg upgrade but have not seen any light so far. Julien.

Re: A Few Questions (Regarding images, wpa_supplicant, and core programs)

2008-07-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are a few questions as I'm getting myself situation with the FreeRunner: 1. My Messages program seems to take forever to load text messages from a contact. Loading the list of contacts is great, and writing SMS to a contact also works

Re: Which Distro?

2008-07-16 Thread JW
Hi Vijay On 16/07/2008, Vijay Vaidyanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to make a decision on whether to drop in a new distribution to replace the 2007.2 that came preinstalled on my FR. Is there an official distribution that is blessed and supported by OpenMoko - The Company and is

Flashing problems

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
I tried flashing my FreeRunner using the indications on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner . I tried scaredycat images and snapshots from OM2007.2. The flashing itself seems to go fine but when I boot the new image, I get many : Empty flash at * ends

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, julien cubizolles wrote: Are the LEDS supposed to be working now ? I'm using the factory image upgraded through opkg upgrade but have not seen any light so far. The LEDs work - you can control them by echoing values to the right part of /sys/devices/platform - but

Re: Volume?

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Le mardi 15 juillet 2008 à 20:22 +0100, Al Johnson a écrit : Both handset (mic1) and headset (mic2) mics are switched by 'Mic Sidetone Mux' into the channel that passes though 'Mono Sidetone' and 'Mono' volume controls. People I call complain that they don't hear me, as if I were far

Re: Happy customer

2008-07-16 Thread Yohann (YC) Coppel
Big thumbs up from here as well ! (I guess OpenMoko guys need this kind of thread these days ;) Good luck guys !) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:53 AM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a few words to let those working hard how grateful I am for making the FreeRunner happen. I know

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread smurfy - phil
some days ago i wrote a basic led tool for 2007.02. try if you want: http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/openmoko-led-v1.tar.gz you have to manually copy the file to your neo, and execute the tool, not ipk available, yet :) Phil ___ Openmoko community

Re: Volume?

2008-07-16 Thread smurfy - phil
if you increase the mic2 level you are louder, but you also get an echo :) you should test it with alsamixer while calling. if you like it, you should change the default value for mic2 in the alsapreset. its somewhere in the /usr/share directory, i guess :) if you don't change the preset, you

Re: A Few Questions (Regarding images, wpa_supplicant, and core programs)

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
3. Sometimes when power management is set on dim lock, my phone will go asleep and will not wake up. I have to tap the power button to wake it up into the lock screen, and thereafter my GSM will not work. i am given to understand, that this is the intended behaviour. in fact, the

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
From all the Openmoko employees nobody has realized that the GPS is broken. Why have you not used the phone yourselves? Why are you abusing the community in such a shameless way? would you please be less insulting! those personal abuses, not at least by jay in regard to joerg are not helping

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread Christophe Badoit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Or something like this in console : for i in /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/*/brightness; do echo 1 $i; sleep 1; echo 0 $i done - -- Christophe Badoit -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/7/15 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The good news: *IF* all pans out, there's (or soon will be) a new kernel at Andy branch that stops SD-card clock when SDcard is idle. We hope this will almost cure the problem, at least reduce it to sth like you can't GPS while watching video from

Re: Volume?

2008-07-16 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
smurfy - phil ??: if you increase the mic2 level you are louder, but you also get an echo :) you should test it with alsamixer while calling. if you like it, you should change the default value for mic2 in the alsapreset. its somewhere in the /usr/share directory, i guess :) if you don't

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Simonas Leleiva
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if it's not productive (or positive), please try to restrain yourself from posting (there have been enough complains already). I was expressing sad tone along with the other fellow, instead of complaining. I think that

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web. I'd like to run a webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way, rather than getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt. jikes! why would one do that? - any correctly designed webserver would hinder you from accessing the files

Re: Turning off the tap sound?

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
Hmm, I swear i have answered this a couple of days ago... too many mailing lists where not all people are subscribed to. you did -- to me and on the very same list. maybe the signature of the list _should_ mention the existence of the list archive ...

Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-16 Thread Jim Morris
Thomas Seiler wrote: Hi Jim, thanks for testing! Indeed, I dont seem to wait for the popup window to be mapped before drawing onto it. This is a bug (tm) of type race condition. (The Freerunner has a faster CPU, and the bug gets visible :-) Bug is identified, will post a fix later

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Alex Kavanagh
Timo Jyrinki wrote, On 16/07/08 09:56: I don't think it helps either to make sure one's rights are listened to - I think one reason people might complain is that they simply want to create noise so that Openmoko knows it's important. Please, show a little more respect and trust for them -

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2008/7/15 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The good news: *IF* all pans out, there's (or soon will be) a new kernel at Andy branch that stops SD-card clock when SDcard is idle. We hope this will almost cure the problem, at least reduce

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Christophe Badoit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeffrey Ratcliffe a écrit : 2008/7/15 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The good news: *IF* all pans out, there's (or soon will be) a new kernel at Andy branch that stops SD-card clock when SDcard is idle. We hope this will almost cure the

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Le mercredi 16 juillet 2008 à 11:23 +0200, Christophe Badoit a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Or something like this in console : for i in /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/*/brightness; do echo 1 $i; sleep 1; echo 0 $i done OK, I just tried, they can

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
well, every one of the leds has a file trigger below /sys/. once i got at least charging-full working by echoing the string into /sys/...led/../trigger, so the led lit up when the bar was full. after that i created /etc/sysfs.conf with basically the echos (well, w/o echo and as key=value) the

Re: In the press

2008-07-16 Thread David Samblas Martinez
+ 1 to the clasification, but a visual discrimination about uptodate/outdated/work in progress in this pages will be very useful too. --- El mié, 16/7/08, BrendaWang [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: BrendaWang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: In the press Para: List for Openmoko community

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
This will still be a problem for those GPS applications loading big maps from SD, I assume. Only if the GPS app is trying to read maps from SD during the time the GPS is getting the initial fix. Once we have the fix the required signal level is lower, so even with the SD enabled the

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:34:12 +0200, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically all of my experience writing UIs is on the web. I'd like to run a webserver on the phone, so I can write dirt-simple UIs that way, rather than getting tied up in GTK/e/Qt. - any correctly designed webserver

Re: LEDs

2008-07-16 Thread Christophe Badoit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 julien cubizolles a écrit : OK, I just tried, they can blink but is the software using them ? As said Al Johnson : The LEDs work - you can control them by echoing values to the right part of /sys/devices/platform - but none of the apps in

Re: Happy customer

2008-07-16 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Which company can give with 350 Euro all this FUN ? Great work (waiting for my FR) julien cubizolles wrote: Just a few words to let those working hard how grateful I am for making the FreeRunner happen. I know there are still many bugs/room for

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
mobile. However, using a good web browser engine as a UI platform alternative to native toolkits has been successfully done before. well, still strikes me as ... to be moderate ... odd, not at least in respect to the plethora of available gui toolkits or languages (qt, gtk, e-something,

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:15:35 +0200, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mobile. However, using a good web browser engine as a UI platform alternative to native toolkits has been successfully done before. well, still strikes me as ... to be moderate ... odd, not at least in respect to the

Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.

2008-07-16 Thread BrendaWang
Make pages easy to find is always the first priority of wiki management. I agree with you . Openmoko wiki has thousands of pages, not easy to find everything. So, we just made a Index page, every page will listed on it. Then , I had made each wiki page of Openmoko had their own category since

Re: Web server on the phone?

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
Also, many developers feel that web technologies provide for easier and faster UI development than at least some of native toolkits. doing web development since a few years for a living (and seldom for fun!) i am still annoyed by the predicaments and restrictions of web applications. at any

PIN code dialog

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Right now, the PIN code is asked as the Freeruner powers up but if you enter a wrong code or if you power down then up the GSM antenna it's not asked anymore. How can I get the PIN code dialog back to enter it again ? ___ Openmoko community mailing

Re: Wishlist Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-16 Thread Joachim Steiger
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: Dear Syadmins, look below I, like others, agree that a mobile version of the OM wiki would be invaluable. I can't imagine the strain on the wiki server from everyone suddenly doing recursive wget launches ;o) well... google does that all the time (indexing) ;)

Re: Provider missed calls messages

2008-07-16 Thread smurfy - phil
Hm, it could be a cell broadcast, but i know that is buggy in the moment. try if you using 2007.02: on the OM-Terminal or at a ssh shell: libgsmd-tool -m atcmd then insert: AT+CSCB=1 you should see after a few seconds: STR=`AT+CSCB=1' RSTR=`OK' So Cellbroadcasts are enabled now. and now

Re: Problem with QEMU and MokoMakefile

2008-07-16 Thread saurabh gupta
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Søren Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just download the newest images from the buildhost and place them in images/openmoko/ and do: make flash-qemu-official make run-qemu I downloaded the latest images of gta02 in the directory and then run make

Re: PIN code dialog

2008-07-16 Thread Diego Fdez . Durán
I think the current 2007.2 development is stalled in favour of ASU. You must enter the PIN carefully, and if you miss a number select it with the stylus and retype :) On Wed, July 16, 2008 12:58, julien cubizolles wrote: Right now, the PIN code is asked as the Freeruner powers up but if you

Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-16 Thread matt joyce
That look so neat. john wrote: A project I was on had a similar requirement of being able to search and read documents offline on the iPhone *snarl*. Anyway, what I did was port an excellent open source search engine called hyper estraier [1] over to the iPhone and used that on various kinds

Re: PIN code dialog

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
which stack/image? with 2007.2 the dialog comes back, when entering the wrong number and i get it by tapping the gsm icon and selecting power antenna up (at least if not logged in to the gsm network). ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Problem with QEMU and MokoMakefile

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
Why is makefile still downloading the previous buggy images of gta01. afaik is qemu unable to handle the gta02 images, only gta01. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-16 Thread Yorick Moko
patches only exist since yesterday On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Federico Lorenzi wrote: So from my understanding the FR can run off USB but not boot off it? Software issue, not hardware. Once uBoot is updated to a recent

Re: Problem with QEMU and MokoMakefile

2008-07-16 Thread saurabh gupta
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:18 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is makefile still downloading the previous buggy images of gta01. afaik is qemu unable to handle the gta02 images, only gta01. Ok thanks... But has anyone tried the patch for emulating the gta02 under qemu as given in

Re: Volume?

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Le mercredi 16 juillet 2008 à 14:27 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber a écrit : After adjusting with alsamixer, you can easily update those files using alsactl -f path-to-statefile store I recommend to make a backup of the *.state before storing it with alsactl Now I wish I had... When playing around

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Scott Derrick
Ken, I'm looking for possible solutions or areas to investigate. When my FR's arrive I was going to investigate this area, but wondered how easy it would be without a debug board.. Scott Ken Restivo wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 08:19:38PM -0600, Scott Derrick wrote: I'm amazed that

Re: PIN code dialog

2008-07-16 Thread julien cubizolles
Le mercredi 16 juillet 2008 à 13:46 +0200, arne anka a écrit : which stack/image? the factory one, upgraded throug opkg upgrade. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan: Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers, because to those who are observing the OpenMoko project - not participating - the SD+GPS testing issue is a *huge* screw up.

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Sander van Grieken
On 2008-07-16, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its really pretty important that the communication on this issue *not* diverge into hate and vitriol towards customers, because to those who are observing the OpenMoko project - not participating - the SD+GPS testing issue is a *huge*

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Scott Derrick
Wow thats fantastic! First I have heard. Gladly I will admit to raising a non-issue, sorry. Scott Adam Talbot wrote: This is all with my FreeRunner. 144 hours, to be exact. Or, about 6 days of stand by time. Something like 4 hours of active talk time. Looks like you could get 8 days and 5

Updates

2008-07-16 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
Am I the only one who hasn't got his head around exactly what gets updated where? As I understand it, you can flash 3 things: u-boot (the bootloader) the kernel the root filesystem Should I think of u-boot as the OpenMoko version of Grub? In which case why can't opkg update this? opkg can also

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Kalle Happonen: Marcus Bauer wrote: The same goes for making phone calls: there is quite often a buzzing sound on the far end and it can be really bad. Unless you don't care about the people you are calling the Neo is not usable as your daily phone. This

Re: Updates

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
asking the same questions i came up with these answers: Should I think of u-boot as the OpenMoko version of Grub? kinda. and some kind of bios, maybe. In which case why can't opkg update this? because (that's what i figured out) it's binary data and written directly. the area might not

Re: Which Distro?

2008-07-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:14:49 -0700 Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote: I'm trying to make a decision on whether to drop in a new distribution to replace the 2007.2 that came preinstalled on my FR. Me too. Is there an official distribution that is

Re: GPS external antenna socket

2008-07-16 Thread André Gaul
Hi! I just bought a GPS antenna this week. It's the Navilock AT-65 MMCX: http://www.navilock.de/produkte/gruppen/12/Zusatz_Antennen/61232_AT-65_MMCX.html I paid EUR 7,90 at www.reichelt.de and it works pretty good. Got a fix with my Freerunner indoors after about 110 seconds. With the internal

Re: Updates

2008-07-16 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 15:02, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - flashing uImage and rootImage are equivalent to doing opkg update opkg upgrade, but flashing rewrites the whole fs, so everything modified is lost How did you execute opkg upgrade ? It failed for me opkg update was ok but

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan: However,.. one must really think why this problem didn't turn out in the factory tests :-( Yes. That is indeed something that must be thought about. ; -- Jay Vaughan Tony Tu already posted a response to this: Our factory tests can't be

Re: GTA01BV4 died, please help me.

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: This shouldn't cause any problem on GTA02 (on GTA01 there were some scream of death issues when removing bat while charged IIRC). At least we have no reports on this so far, I myself do remove bat while on charger

Re: Updates

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was dropped. dunno why dropbear drops the connection on upgrade, ususally existing connections shouldn't be affected. maybe one of dropbear's .preinst or .postinst scripts causes the restart. try nohup opkg upgrade the

Re: Updates

2008-07-16 Thread Mike Montour
arne anka wrote: Should I think of u-boot as the OpenMoko version of Grub? kinda. and some kind of bios, maybe. That's correct - u-boot is responsible for initializing the hardware (like a PC BIOS) as well as for loading and booting the kernel (like Grub). In which case why can't opkg

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Alexey Feldgendler: I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It seems to turn off several seconds after the

Re: GTA01BV4 died, please help me.

2008-07-16 Thread Tilman Baumann
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: This shouldn't cause any problem on GTA02 (on GTA01 there were some scream of death issues when removing bat while charged IIRC). At least we have no reports on this so far, I myself do remove

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Adam Talbot
This is how I do it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Nomeata On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 14:50 +0200, arne anka wrote: Wow thats fantastic! First I have heard. Gladly I will admit to raising a non-issue, sorry. i absolutely don't think it is a non-issue -- on the contrary! besides tony tu

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread nick loeve
Hi On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:41:44 +0200, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The note attached said: GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V. it is a SNR issue

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
This is how I do it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Nomeata read it already, but that should basically be the same as dimlock, shouldn't it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Updates

2008-07-16 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/7/16 Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's correct - u-boot is responsible for initializing the hardware (like a PC BIOS) as well as for loading and booting the kernel (like Grub). Thanks. I've updated the wiki. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-16 Thread Benedikt Schindler
hi, i think the openmoko team is doing a great job. and everyone was onto it, to have a fast and good solution. so i think the real interesting question now is: Had someone tested Andy's fix-force-sdcard-clk-off-when-idle patch yet? Does it solve the problem? And how many mA does that patch

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Adam Talbot
dimlock != suspend :-) If the screen is off, the system is still fully running, and sucking down power. When you suspend, all running processes are cashed into ram, then the rest of the hardware is turned off, with the exception of the GMS modem, and ram. Check out the S3 state:

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