Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[Francesco Cat]

It seems that the first 25 GTA03 Evaluation Boards have already
arrived to wolfgang on August the 11th [1], so the phone *might*
arrive in shops in december, I think no one knows.

[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555

BTW: It is unsure what will be in (what kind of camera, what GSM chip,
and so on), but what won't be there is quite sure:

-No Glamo
-No 3G
-No USB 2.0

2008/8/27 Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have a couple of friends who want to buy
>> a GTA03.
>
> Cool, although as far as I know, it's still a bit unsure what's going
> to be in it..
>
>> what is best guess on when it will be in mass production
>> and available to purchase?
>
> Holiday season.. what year :)
>
> Just a guess, not based on anything but a feeling: I don't expect it
> to arrive before mid-2009 no matter what the promises have been.
>
>
> r
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Re: ("stable") Update report

[Olivier Berger]

Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What's most visibly new:
>  Battery icon when unplugged
>  red LED behind AUX button shines
>  more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?)
>  repositories is online for update and community applications
>

Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;)

I upgraded too, and I, like you, like it much more now.

Congratulations, OpenMoko, the 2008/08/26 is what 2008/08/08 should
have been.

Listening to QA and users, and being less in a rush to release seems
much better.

I've updated http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 (and Downloads)
to try and complete installation / update details for this new
"stable" branch. I hope I got it right.

Maybe someone should try and see if the problems listed in
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues are still valid
for the stable updates ?

My 2 cents.

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Re: ("stable") Update report

[Minh Ha Duong]

> Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;)

I am still struggling with this one. Could you please be more explicit here ?

Thanks,
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Re: WLAN troubles

[Derick Rethans]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, nickd wrote:

> Joel Newkirk wrote:
> > Derick Rethans wrote:
> >   
> >> I get a DHCP lease, with nameservers and all, the route is correct too.
> >> However, I can't do any sort of connection - nor ping.
> >>
> >> Try "ip r" and see if it lists two default routes - one out usb0 and one
> >> out eth0.  If it does, try "ip r d default via 192.168.0.200" to delete the
> >> route pointing out usb0, and see if that resolves it for you.  (Linux
> >> supports multiple default routes, but there should be a 'metric' specifying
> >> priority, or advanced custom routing tables to support multiple
> >> simultaneous uplinks - like load-balancing traffic on two DSL lines from
> >> one network)

Yeah, I did this of course. Only one default route is left.

> I've experienced the same thing as the OP. Running Windows as my hosts 
> means it's a pain to set it up as a router, so I connect via Wifi and 
> use it for everything. My solution is to put the following in my 
> /etc/network/interfaces under eth0:
> 
> up route del default gw 192.168.0.200
> 
> This will remove your computer as the default gateway and use the 
> wireless one when the interface is brought up. Sometimes it fails so 
> I've had to put it in twice (yet to look into this).

Okay, I'll see if that does the trick then -- but I am sure I only had 
one route left in the "route -n" output.

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Re: FON login script

[Florian Hackenberger]

On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Bastian Feder wrote:
> I recently read this article about Devicescape:
> http://www.golem.de/0808/61846.html
> Which might solve your problems in the future.

>From a quick read of the pages on their website, I would not use their 
service. In essence you store all your passwords on their servers. It 
seems like the private key to decrypt your information is stored on 
their servers as well, because you can 'remove' a device from your list 
of allowed devices if it has been stolen. Therefore you bet all your 
passwords on their privacy policy. YMMV.

Cheers,
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Re: ("stable") Update report

[Olivier Berger]

Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;)
>
> I am still struggling with this one. Could you please be more explicit here ?
>

Well... it looks like I have a keyboard which suits me... but I'm in
no way capable of naming it without pictures to refer to :(

There are buttons that allow me to switch the keyboard layouts
displayed, and that's great. ... Maybe we don't see the same things
though (note that I upgraded from a slightly modified 2008/08/08
version which may be different from your stable 2008/08/26 one).

Without pictures to confront our experiences, I really think it's a
deadend.

See my recent message in support list to try and improve that
situation.

Hope this helps anyway.

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Re: Update report

[Nishit Dave]

hair-raising

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Minh Ha Duong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> What's most visibly new:
>  Battery icon when unplugged
>  red LED behind AUX button shines
>  more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?)
>  repositories is online for update and community applications
>
> Minh
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Fwd: Headset state in OM2008.8, QPE version

[Nishit Dave]

No responses so far...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Subject: Headset state in OM2008.8, QPE version
To: List for Openmoko community discussion 


Hi,

I am now using the qpe based call interface.  I have found the following;

If the headset is connected during an ongoing call, the state doesn't change
automatically.  You have to manually select 'speakerphone' from options to
make the headset work.  Even then, sound is heard through one earbud (the
"turn amp speaker off" bug).  The mic in the headset does not work, but the
mic in the phone works as if in the speakerphone mode.

If one were sitting at a desk playing with alsamixer through SSH, it would
be easy to hear sound through both earbuds, but this ideal world scenario is
in direct dissonance with the real world scenario where the headset is
employed while driving.

Further, the myriad options under alsamixer -V all confuse the user
entirely, and do not give a clue as to which value to change so that the
headset mic works.

When the headset is already plugged in (before a call), there is static from
the earbuds, which means it can drain off the battery as there is signal
leakage.  When a call comes in, the headset works automatically, BUT its mic
still does not!

With OM2008.8, I don't see alsamixer -V all show changes in the state files
when the headset is plugged in while in use.  It worked in 2007.2.

Has anybody else been able to replicate this problem? Does one need to file
a bug report for this, or is there an easier solution?
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Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[Nishit Dave]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Francesco Cat
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> It seems that the first 25 GTA03 Evaluation Boards have already
> arrived to wolfgang on August the 11th [1], so the phone *might*
> arrive in shops in december, I think no one knows.
>
> [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555
>
> BTW: It is unsure what will be in (what kind of camera, what GSM chip,
> and so on), but what won't be there is quite sure:
>
> -No Glamo
> -No 3G
> -No USB 2.0
>
>
So now we are targeting crippling the phone further?  Real iPhone killer it
is going to be.
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Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

I feel like an idiot... oh well...

I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard 
layouts and bumpted into this:

http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html

Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with 
the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.

What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by 
stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only 
vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?

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Re: Update report

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Well.. the hair raising part was it actually works as a phone...

I was shocked! SHOCKED!

Nishit Dave wrote:
> hair-raising
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Minh Ha Duong 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> What's most visibly new:
>  Battery icon when unplugged
>  red LED behind AUX button shines
>  more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?)
>  repositories is online for update and community applications
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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Alex Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>
> I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard 
> layouts and bumpted into this:
>
> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
>
> Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with 
> the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
>
> What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by 
> stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only 
> vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
>
I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the 
symbols "page"

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Re: Video-out support

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2008/8/27 Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:46:23PM +0200, Francesco Cat wrote:
> >> Isn't USB 2.0 required for USB-to-VGA adapters?
> >
> > yes, USB2 is required for all USB-to-VGA adapters that I have ever seen
> > as a mass product.  The reason is very simple: A full-screen uncompressed
> > video has much more bandwidth than USB1 can sustain.
> >
> > I've only ever once seen a pre-mass-production prototype of a USB1-to-VGA
> > adaptor. And that was in fact an entire PXA27x based linux system with
> > something like VNC.  Just no configuration or user i/o of any sorts.  But
> > even that never made it mass-market.
>
> have you thought about going through the wireless interface? that's
> got way higher bandwidth than the usb port
>
> i found these on google; they're a bit big and not cheap, but maybe...
>
> http://www.amazon.com/External-Wireless-Projector-Adapter-wi-fi-Ethernet/dp
>/B000FEHB5I
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Addlogix-MA-WL-DVGA-Wireless-Projector-Adapter/dp/B00
>0ENSTE2
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/11/AR200806110
>0099.html

At those prices I'd go for a beagleboard instead. It's got the sound and video 
output capability and the USB. Add WiFi if needed, and use VNC or a modified 
NX for display. For video it's probably better to stream the file to the 
beagleboard and let it do the decode locally.

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Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Nishit Dave wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Francesco Cat 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> BTW: It is unsure what will be in (what kind of camera, what GSM chip,
> and so on), but what won't be there is quite sure:
>
> -No Glamo
> -No 3G
> -No USB 2.0
>
>
> So now we are targeting crippling the phone further?  Real iPhone 
> killer it is going to be.
I'm sure that with a little more effort you could be a fine pessimist... 
keep it up!

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Michele Renda]

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To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
 simple deb package to instal).

In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
longer time.

Michele Renda

Ganesha Krishna wrote:
> You can re size the tray by _right clicking_* on the top bar and go to
> properties. on one of the tabs there is a "minimum size" field. it
> should be set to 300, change it to some thing smaller (I set it to 200).
> This should bring up all the
> 
> *_right clicking_ :
> We dont have a right click. one can get by most of the GUI without it,
> but for situations like this, this is what I do
> 
> 1. Run keyboard! (Everything will be revealed, just bare with me)
> 2. go to Xfce menu -> settings->mouse settings
> 3. select Left Handed !  Now all your taps become right clicks, woohoo.
> 4. Do you right click thing.
> 5. no tap on Right handed radio button, it gets highlighted
> 6. click space on the keyboard that you ran in step 1 to select right
> handed. we are back to normal
> 
> If you have lost the key board in between just tap (Rclick) on the desk
> top and xfce menu appears, tap on the menu a couple of times and they do
> open submenu and you can run keyboard from under accessories.
> 
>   There could be an easier way to do this (of course there is a patch to
> enable right click too I think).
> 
> 
> Thanks
> -GK
> 
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> I think you simply need more space for the trayicon. Move it in a bar
> with more space and you will get all the buttons.
> 
> 
> Michele Renda
> 
> C R McClenaghan wrote:
>> Sebastian,
> 
>> Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing
>> python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?
>> What else do I need to do to get all?
> 
>> Chris
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Sebastian Ohl wrote:
> 
>>> On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 uhm, how does one use it?
>>> It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
>>> xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
>>> via /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin
>>> --
>>> Yours
>>> Sebastian Ohl
>>>
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Re: Sold out ahh

[roguemoko]

Yogiz wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:30:11 +1000
> "Sarton O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I'm in Australia and ordered mine from France with no dramas, though,
>> I think customs stole my lanyard :(
> 
> I assume you ordered it from Bearstech.

Yeah, that's them.

> I'm in Estonia. Ordered mine
> in the end of July and got a word that it should arrive on the 16/17th
> august. Since then I've got nothing yet and Sara (the sales manager I
> guess) from Bearstech hasn't replied to my mails for the past week. I
> understand that they may be overwhelmed but I'm getting a little
> worried. If you did order from them, did you get the package right on
> time?

Got the same speel about delivery from Sara but it did arrive pretty 
close to the date via registered mail.

Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in 
the pictures :(

But it's all good  ... I have a dead pixel that I'm definitely not going 
to bother a return for ;) ... I'll find a cheap lanyard and write 
openmoko on it, it'll go with the homebrew theme.

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Re: WLAN troubles

[Sander van Grieken]

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, nickd wrote:
>
>> Joel Newkirk wrote:
>> > Derick Rethans wrote:
>> >
>> >> I get a DHCP lease, with nameservers and all, the route is correct too.
>> >> However, I can't do any sort of connection - nor ping.
>> >>
>> >> Try "ip r" and see if it lists two default routes - one out usb0 and one
>> >> out eth0.  If it does, try "ip r d default via 192.168.0.200" to delete 
>> >> the
>> >> route pointing out usb0, and see if that resolves it for you.  (Linux
>> >> supports multiple default routes, but there should be a 'metric' 
>> >> specifying
>> >> priority, or advanced custom routing tables to support multiple
>> >> simultaneous uplinks - like load-balancing traffic on two DSL lines from
>> >> one network)
>
> Yeah, I did this of course. Only one default route is left.
>
>> I've experienced the same thing as the OP. Running Windows as my hosts
>> means it's a pain to set it up as a router, so I connect via Wifi and
>> use it for everything. My solution is to put the following in my
>> /etc/network/interfaces under eth0:
>>
>> up route del default gw 192.168.0.200
>>
>> This will remove your computer as the default gateway and use the
>> wireless one when the interface is brought up. Sometimes it fails so
>> I've had to put it in twice (yet to look into this).
>
> Okay, I'll see if that does the trick then -- but I am sure I only had
> one route left in the "route -n" output.

You'll need 2 routes. One for the subnet your gateway is on and one default gw.

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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[budfive]

I just looked through several browsers for something that is useable. The
conclusion I reached is that the debian packaged copy of midori is
excellent. And not just excellent compared with the other browsers or
compared with what was considered useful on openmoko so far. It is actually
very functional and very fast. If you have had a bad experience with midori
using openmoko's packages, try it again with debian. You will be very
pleasantly surprised. This actually gives me a reason to carry the
freerunner with me. Get it. Get it now.


Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 04:37:25PM +0200, Fox Mulder wrote:
>> At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is
>> also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon
>> from mozilla. :)
>> Maybe it is a bit slow when starting but at the moment it is the best
>> browser i found for my neo.
>> But you are right. In the future i hope there will be a bit more
>> lightweight mobile version of the firefox.
> 
> I viciously hate my experience with midori and openmoko-browser :)
> 
> Rui
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Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[Francesco Cat]

2008/8/27 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> So now we are targeting crippling the phone further?  Real iPhone killer it
> is going to be.
>
It was never meant to be an IPhone killer. It was designed for beeing
the first open phone.
What I wanted to say: since this is an HW revision, not a brand new
phone, the components regarding 3G and USB 2.0 will not be present in
the GTA03. The glamo chip will be removed since it was a bad design
(personally I would like to keep it, but people at OM think it is
better to remove it, so it will be removed).
We should get a camera and EDGE, but no more details are given.

If you want 3G, 3D accelleration, more power, 4Mio pixel camera and so
on, just wait for the GTA04, and hope that samsung will open their
6410 SoC

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Re: Update report

[Nishit Dave]

...and you were calling me a pessimist.  I am using the FR as a phone
without 2008.8.  Bravery award?

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Alex Fitzpatrick <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well.. the hair raising part was it actually works as a phone...
>
> I was shocked! SHOCKED!
>
> Nishit Dave wrote:
> > hair-raising
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Minh Ha Duong
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > What's most visibly new:
> >  Battery icon when unplugged
> >  red LED behind AUX button shines
> >  more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?)
> >  repositories is online for update and community applications
> >
>
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Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[Mike Baroukh]

Would it really be difficult to swap usb 1.1 for usb 2.0 ?
The main reason would be to speed image burning ...

Mike

Francesco Cat a écrit :
> 2008/8/27 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> So now we are targeting crippling the phone further?  Real iPhone killer it
>> is going to be.
>>
>> 
> It was never meant to be an IPhone killer. It was designed for beeing
> the first open phone.
> What I wanted to say: since this is an HW revision, not a brand new
> phone, the components regarding 3G and USB 2.0 will not be present in
> the GTA03. The glamo chip will be removed since it was a bad design
> (personally I would like to keep it, but people at OM think it is
> better to remove it, so it will be removed).
> We should get a camera and EDGE, but no more details are given.
>
> If you want 3G, 3D accelleration, more power, 4Mio pixel camera and so
> on, just wait for the GTA04, and hope that samsung will open their
> 6410 SoC
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Re: Update report

[Nishit Dave]

oops!  WITH 2008.8, without 2008.8_26.

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> ...and you were calling me a pessimist.  I am using the FR as a phone
> without 2008.8.  Bravery award?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Alex Fitzpatrick <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Well.. the hair raising part was it actually works as a phone...
>>
>> I was shocked! SHOCKED!
>>
>> Nishit Dave wrote:
>> > hair-raising
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Minh Ha Duong
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>> >
>> > What's most visibly new:
>> >  Battery icon when unplugged
>> >  red LED behind AUX button shines
>> >  more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?)
>> >  repositories is online for update and community applications
>> >
>>
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Re: Repository and Images

[Marek Lindner]

Hi,

this merits some more details:

>*) Base Images and repository
>   We have a base image. It is minimal image plus Window
>   Manager(e-wm), Om-settings and Om-installer.

We will shift away from preinstalled phone stack images. Instead, we provide 
a "base image" which allows you to install your preferred applications 
(GTK/Qtopia/SHR/FSO/etc) and really own your phone. 
Currently, we are in the process of getting this system running smoothly. 
Early adopters / testers / developers are invited to test it. We also 
encourage $your_project to be built by our auto builder and become 
installable on the base image. This should give you the time to focus on 
improving your project instead of building and distributing it.
The "unstable" package feed will always contain your latest code, "testing" 
the version you think is ready for use.


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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Yorick Moko]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Alex Fitzpatrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alex Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>>
>> I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard
>> layouts and bumpted into this:
>>
>> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
>>
>> Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with
>> the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
>>
>> What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by
>> stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only
>> vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
>>
> I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the
> symbols "page"
>
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hehe,
I think you will have a spontaneous orgasm when you discover Raster's
keyboard :)

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Re: Sold out ahh

[arne anka]

> Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in
> the pictures :(

could you post a link to that pics?
i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in  
"lanyard hole")

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Re: FON login script

[arne anka]

> I recently read this article about Devicescape:
> http://www.golem.de/0808/61846.html
> Which might solve your problems in the future.

what does it offer networkmanager can not do?
except storing your credentials somewhere out of your reach and control,  
that is?

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Yorick Moko wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Alex Fitzpatrick
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the
>> symbols "page"
>>
>> --
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> 
>
> hehe,
> I think you will have a spontaneous orgasm when you discover Raster's
> keyboard :)
>
>   
I tried that out a few weeks ago when 2008.8 first crash landed ... very 
nice! But it randomly failed and was replaced with the qtopia one. (As 
discussed in list and in Trac)

We really need to find a way to allow users to really choose ... there 
are some places where the predictive text works nicely... like SMS ... 
but there are lots of places where that full qwerty keyboard is more 
effective... like typing URLs. Having to choose one over the other by 
hacking configurations is bloody silly.

As users we want the sun the moon and the stars and we want them 
yesterday... with extra cheese! (And blackjack... and hookers!)

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Re: Headset state in OM2008.8, QPE version

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Nishit Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am now using the qpe based call interface.  I have found the following;
>
> If the headset is connected during an ongoing call, the state doesn't
> change automatically.  You have to manually select 'speakerphone' from
> options to make the headset work.  Even then, sound is heard through one
> earbud (the "turn amp speaker off" bug).  The mic in the headset does not
> work, but the mic in the phone works as if in the speakerphone mode.

The root of the problem is that the gsmheadset.state is not being used for the 
headset. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1442 although I don't think 
you'll like the answer.

Speakerphone partially works because the headset and the speaker share an 
output channel, but the  speakerphone state uses the mic on the handset not 
the headset.

> If one were sitting at a desk playing with alsamixer through SSH, it would
> be easy to hear sound through both earbuds, but this ideal world scenario
> is in direct dissonance with the real world scenario where the headset is
> employed while driving.
>
> Further, the myriad options under alsamixer -V all confuse the user
> entirely, and do not give a clue as to which value to change so that the
> headset mic works.

Have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
Yes, it is complicated - there are at least 3 level controls for the mic, let 
alone the switching options, and it gets more complicated if you want to pass 
it through the noise gate and automatic level control. Alsamixer is just 
exposing the low level hardware - that's its job. It would be good to have a 
simplified GUI mixer to make little tweaks easier, and to give a GUI for 
saving them to the state files though.

To manually load the existing headset state file use:
alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmheadset.state restore
I _think_ I've got the path right, but that is from memory. You wil have to 
run this during the call as the dialer will switch to gsmhandset.state when 
the call is picked up.

> When the headset is already plugged in (before a call), there is static
> from the earbuds, which means it can drain off the battery as there is
> signal leakage.  When a call comes in, the headset works automatically, BUT
> its mic still does not!
>
> With OM2008.8, I don't see alsamixer -V all show changes in the state files
> when the headset is plugged in while in use.  It worked in 2007.2.
>
> Has anybody else been able to replicate this problem? Does one need to file
> a bug report for this, or is there an easier solution?



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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Nishit Dave]

well, here's a dumb question: how do we enter the Euro symbol in the
Full-QWERTY keyboard?

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Alex Fitzpatrick
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Alex Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
> >>
> >> I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard
> >> layouts and bumpted into this:
> >>
> >> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
> >>
> >> Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with
> >> the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
> >>
> >> What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by
> >> stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only
> >> vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
> >>
> > I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the
> > symbols "page"
> >
> > --
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> hehe,
> I think you will have a spontaneous orgasm when you discover Raster's
> keyboard :)
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Re: Repository and Images

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Marek Lindner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this merits some more details:
> >*) Base Images and repository
> >   We have a base image. It is minimal image plus Window
> >   Manager(e-wm), Om-settings and Om-installer.
>
> We will shift away from preinstalled phone stack images. Instead, we
> provide a "base image" which allows you to install your preferred
> applications (GTK/Qtopia/SHR/FSO/etc) and really own your phone.
> Currently, we are in the process of getting this system running smoothly.
> Early adopters / testers / developers are invited to test it.

Sounds good so long as the packaging stops people accidentally breaking things 
just by installing a package. The problem installing 2 diallers is a recent 
example where it didn't work. Also how will it handle the situation where 
different frameworks use differently patched versions of the same app? 
Tangogps springs to mind as an example that seems to be slightly different on 
GTK, FSO and ASU.

> We also 
> encourage $your_project to be built by our auto builder and become
> installable on the base image. This should give you the time to focus on
> improving your project instead of building and distributing it.
> The "unstable" package feed will always contain your latest code, "testing"
> the version you think is ready for use.

Is the mechanism for this in place, or still a work in progress? Are there any 
details available on how to use it?

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Nishit Dave wrote:
> well, here's a dumb question: how do we enter the Euro symbol in the 
> Full-QWERTY keyboard?
>
Good question... you should add that symbol to

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1795

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No sound from phone speaker after upgrading 2007.02

[Giovanni]

I upgraded my 2007.02 FR yesterday and today.

After that upgrade, the speaker of the phone is mute.

What setting should I change to enable again the sound from the speaker ?
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Sebastian Ohl]

Hi,

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:07 -0700, C R McClenaghan wrote:
> Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing  
> python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?  
> What else do I need to do to get all?
first, i will take a look a the package dependencies. for the battey etc. 
you may have to many other icons in your panel. the pager applet took a 
lot of space. if there are too many the openmoko panel plugin starts to move
to the right out of the window. but thats no problem with the plugin but
with the plugin mechanism. so try to remove i.e. the pager or make the
tasklist plugin a litte bit smaller.

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Olivier Berger]

Alex Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>
> I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard 
> layouts and bumpted into this:
>
> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
>
> Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with 
> the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
>
> What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by 
> stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only 
> vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
>

FYI, this has been documented for quite some time in
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard#Keyboard_guide :
"Sliding your finger up/down changes between
lowercase/uppercase/numbers/special characters. "

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Olivier Berger wrote:
> Alex Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>>
>> 
>
> FYI, this has been documented for quite some time in
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard#Keyboard_guide :
> "Sliding your finger up/down changes between
> lowercase/uppercase/numbers/special characters. "
>   
And that is precisely why I feel like such an idiot... *sigh*

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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Bernhard Schauer]

I think the intention of this thread is somehow different - There simply are
keys missing: Esc, Alt, Ctrl, Shift, up, down, left, right, ...
There was a keyboard giving us all those keys, but now they are gone
So you can't forget it to edit a file on the Neo in vi or something like
that - but you'd need this at least for entering the nameserver into
resolv.conf

regards,

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Olivier Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Alex Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I feel like an idiot... oh well...
> >
> > I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard
> > layouts and bumpted into this:
> >
> > http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
> >
> > Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with
> > the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
> >
> > What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by
> > stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only
> > vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
> >
>
> FYI, this has been documented for quite some time in
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard#Keyboard_guide :
> "Sliding your finger up/down changes between
> lowercase/uppercase/numbers/special characters. "
>
> Regards,
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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[Bernhard Schauer]

And I forgot to say, I think he means the
"The Qtopia Keyboard"which would give us a normal keyboard, as you have in
front of a computer, but that is not enabled by default;

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Bernhard Schauer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I think the intention of this thread is somehow different - There simply
> are keys missing: Esc, Alt, Ctrl, Shift, up, down, left, right, ...
> There was a keyboard giving us all those keys, but now they are gone
> So you can't forget it to edit a file on the Neo in vi or something like
> that - but you'd need this at least for entering the nameserver into
> resolv.conf
>
> regards,
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Olivier Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Alex Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > I feel like an idiot... oh well...
>> >
>> > I was poking around looking for information on modifying keyboard
>> > layouts and bumpted into this:
>> >
>> > http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html
>> >
>> > Which suggested to me that I had not tried all the possibilities with
>> > the qtopia keyboard that I have grown to loath so quickly.
>> >
>> > What I did discover was I an switch between "pages" of layouts by
>> > stroking quickly up or down... like the "backspace" gesture only
>> > vertically... and hey-presto... I have more characters... except enter?
>> >
>>
>> FYI, this has been documented for quite some time in
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard#Keyboard_guide :
>> "Sliding your finger up/down changes between
>> lowercase/uppercase/numbers/special characters. "
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Olivier BERGER
>> (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F)
>> http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/
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No sound from phone speaker after upgrading 2007.02

[Giovanni]

I upgraded my 2007.02 FR yesterday and today.

After that upgrade, the speaker of the phone is mute.

What setting should I change to enable again the sound from the speaker ?
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Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?

[El Salvador]

Simple. Samsung S3C2442B (FreeRunner's SoC) doesn't support USB 2.0.


Mike Baroukh wrote:
> 
> 
> Would it really be difficult to swap usb 1.1 for usb 2.0 ?
> The main reason would be to speed image burning ...
> 
> Mike
> 
> Francesco Cat a écrit :
>> 2008/8/27 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>   
>>> So now we are targeting crippling the phone further?  Real iPhone killer
>>> it
>>> is going to be.
>>>
>>> 
>> It was never meant to be an IPhone killer. It was designed for beeing
>> the first open phone.
>> What I wanted to say: since this is an HW revision, not a brand new
>> phone, the components regarding 3G and USB 2.0 will not be present in
>> the GTA03. The glamo chip will be removed since it was a bad design
>> (personally I would like to keep it, but people at OM think it is
>> better to remove it, so it will be removed).
>> We should get a camera and EDGE, but no more details are given.
>>
>> If you want 3G, 3D accelleration, more power, 4Mio pixel camera and so
>> on, just wait for the GTA04, and hope that samsung will open their
>> 6410 SoC
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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

[Michele Renda]

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Yes, I have the same impession too

I used the ipk version of Midori (Om 2008.8) and I realy did't liked it,
but then I used the Debian + XFCE + Midori: It is wonderful! Not too

I was able to see www.alitalia.it, that is a site problematic in
computers, it render perfect on midori.

I used it on everyday use.

budfive wrote:
> I just looked through several browsers for something that is useable. The
> conclusion I reached is that the debian packaged copy of midori is
> excellent. And not just excellent compared with the other browsers or
> compared with what was considered useful on openmoko so far. It is actually
> very functional and very fast. If you have had a bad experience with midori
> using openmoko's packages, try it again with debian. You will be very
> pleasantly surprised. This actually gives me a reason to carry the
> freerunner with me. Get it. Get it now.
> 
> 
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 04:37:25PM +0200, Fox Mulder wrote:
>>> At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is
>>> also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon
>>> from mozilla. :)
>>> Maybe it is a bit slow when starting but at the moment it is the best
>>> browser i found for my neo.
>>> But you are right. In the future i hope there will be a bit more
>>> lightweight mobile version of the firefox.
>> I viciously hate my experience with midori and openmoko-browser :)
>>
>> Rui
>>
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Re: Sold out ahh

[rakshat hooja]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:13 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in
> > the pictures :(
>
> could you post a link to that pics?
> i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in
> "lanyard hole")
>
>
The Lanyard used to be sold with the Neo 1973 lunch box kit! Not the
FreeRunner. Same case. Thats y the lanyard hole is still there!

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Who]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:35:53 +0200 julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
>
>> 2 : I don't understand how "predicive" those two keyboards are. For me
>> predictive would mean suggesting the n+1 (or n+p) character when I have
>> pressed n keys. At the moment the only thing it does is suggesting
>> several combination of n keys, to correct some typos I would have made.
>> It's very annoying since the word I correctly typed isn't necessarily
>> displayed among those suggestions. Is that how a "predictive" is
>> supposed to work or am I missing something here ?
>
> with illume's keyboard (my one) in the latest illume's you get a dictionary. 
> it
> should be possible to create a french dictionary - take /usr/share/dict/words
> from your desktop (i assume you have a french one) and:

How different is your keyboard from the Qtopia 'predictive keyboard' -
I don't have a FR yet - so I can't try them out. It sounds, from the
gestures that people describe and the images I've seen that they are
remarkably similar. The Qtopia one is the best touchscreen keyboard
I've ever used
(tried it on an A780 w. OpenEZX...) so I'm curious :)

Do you work out probabilities in a similar way to them? Can you switch
off the predictive and use 'normal' mode?

If it is not vastly different, I'm interested to know the reasons you
chose to make a separate one (not in an accusing aggressive way! Just
out of curiousity - I assume there's a good reason :)

Who

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Re: Repository and Images

[Marek Lindner]

On Wednesday, 27. August 2008 17:08:34 Al Johnson wrote:
> Sounds good so long as the packaging stops people accidentally breaking
> things just by installing a package. The problem installing 2 diallers is a
> recent example where it didn't work. Also how will it handle the situation
> where different frameworks use differently patched versions of the same
> app? Tangogps springs to mind as an example that seems to be slightly
> different on GTK, FSO and ASU.

Obviously, you will be able to install 2 dialers if the dialers support that. 
If not I suggest to add necessary dependencies tp the packages.

Don't consider this as something we completely designed and intend to push 
over you. Feel free to make suggestions. I see this approach as a chance to 
combine the different efforts on a single platform with the maximal user 
experience. Instead of this feature is working on image X but not on image Y 
which has feature Z running, etc.


> Is the mechanism for this in place, or still a work in progress? Are there
> any details available on how to use it?

Get in touch with our distro team to include your project. You can accelerate 
the process by providing a working bb file.


Marek

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ASU Wallpaper

[Cédric DUFOUIL]

Hi,

I see shots like this one
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1e2fd32a4ad598f485d784fc70ab9635.png but I
don't know what it is !?

Is it ASU with wallpaper and custom icons or FSU ? Or something else I don't
know.

Thanks
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Re: ASU Wallpaper

[julien cubizolles]

Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 10:30 +, Cédric DUFOUIL a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I see shots like this one
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1e2fd32a4ad598f485d784fc70ab9635.png
> but I don't know what it is !?
> 
> Is it ASU with wallpaper and custom icons or FSU ? Or something else I
> don't know.

You can get this theme for ASU here :http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/




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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[julien cubizolles]

Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:45 +0200 David Samblas
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 
> > I have followed th Raster indications to install spanish dictionary and
> > it works :)
> 
> fantastic! i never tested. including accented characters? like ñ etc.?

The accents don't work for me with a french dict : the word "abcès" is
in my dictionnary but is never proposed in the list.


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Re: ASU : can't import vcf contacts

[julien cubizolles]

Le mardi 26 août 2008 à 17:54 +0200, julien cubizolles a écrit :

> I did :
> 
> sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),[^;]+;/;TYPE=\1;/g' liste_nonphoto.vcf |
> iconv -t 'ascii//TRANSLIT' > newfile.vcf
> 
> and newfile.vcf still has some HOME,VOICE fields

I adapted the sed line : it's now 
sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),[^;]+([;:])/;TYPE=\1\2;/g' liste_nonphoto.vcf

and it's now picking up the "HOME,VOICE" strings whether they end up
with a ";" or ":". The multiple entries are now all removed.

I also added a -e 's/\\n/ /g' to get read of some strange newlines I had
lying around.

I can now import some of my contacts picked at random in a large .vcf
file if I put them in another shorter .vcf file but I can't import the
whole lot of them (several tens) because of some other error I can't
find and the Freerunner isn't verbose enough to tell me which one
fails. 

Is there some king of strict-vcf-format-checker somewhere I could use ? 

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Re: Repository and Images

[Geoff Ruscoe]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Julian Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Community,
>
>
>   *) A new 2008.8 stable image
>
>  [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
>
>  Oh, it's daily build.
>
>   *) The repository of 2008.8
>  After the building process complete, we also sync the repository[3]
>  People can upgrade from there.
>
>  [3] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
>
>   *) Base Images and repository
>  [5] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/
>

Okay I think these details above sound great, but when I tried them out they
did not go as expected.  Maybe we can get some clarification on the correct
path for a user (like me :-)).

Anyway,
Starting point 2008.08 w/ Zeche's testing repos -- everything up to date.
Get this mail installed the testing image
created:
testing-all-feed.conf
testing-armv4t-feed.conf
testing-om-gta02-feed.conf
all pointing to the testing repository listed above (5)

did the opkg update opkg upgrade
This did lots of stuff ... I was getting excited about the new code

had dropbear and libncurses issues which I have seen before and solved

did an opkg update and opkg upgrade again to make sure nothing was missed.

And this is where the trouble started I believe... somehow this had added
buildhost repositories to my opkg setup.  It installed a ton of stuff before
I even realized what it was doing so figured I better let it finish and hope
that _somehow_ all the information I knew to be true about buildhost wasn't
true anymore...

Well as you can guess, my device is going to need to be reflashed.

So in summary

>From the information above, I thought link 5 above was the proper repository
for 2008.08?  Is this correct?

If so, how did the buildhost opkg repository files get to my system.  I
would suggest this be fixed pretty quickly.

If I am used to 2008.08 and tangogps, etc.  Should I install the new 2008.08
image (link #2 above)?

I thought this was intended as the upgrade path for 2008.08 for a more
stable (better / more updated packages).  Is this not its intention?

All information regarding this will probably help many other users.  And I
suggest that nobody follow the upgrade path that I did, until these things
are answered, cleared up.

Thanks so much for your efforts.  Really looking forward to getting the next
build!  Since I've bricked my os at the moment I'm going to try to back some
stuff up and flash the 2008.08-update just in case its better :-).  btw,
love the 2008.08 after modding the keyboard and adding the gprs mux stuff.
Super great with exception of super slow after startup and some stability
issues (turning off instead of suspend, etc.).

Thanks again.
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Re: Repository and Images

[julien cubizolles]

Le mardi 26 août 2008 à 21:07 +0800, Julian Chu a écrit :

> 
>   Holger did some changes in ASU-stable branch. We built it and put on
>   downloads.openmoko.org.[2]
> 
>   [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
Does this mean that it includes the fix to ticket #1766 ?

Julien.
 


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Re: ("stable") Update report

[julien cubizolles]

Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:08 +0200, Olivier Berger a écrit :


> Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;)

I was using raster's/illume keyboard from raster's image (qwerty button
to access the keyboard, upperleft button on the keyboard to change
dictionnaries, upperright button to change layout). Will I lose it if I
do this upgrade ?

Julien.



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GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

a ReMoko package with ability to send events through gestures (Paul's daemon
- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures) is available now in:
http://code.google.com/p/remoko/downloads/list

Installation and usage instructions can be reached in this page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller

The gestures daemon is a little bit heavy right now (about 20% cpu usage),
so the ReMoko mouse profile (heavy too) will slow down a little bit if you
have more program running one the phone, just the warning :)

I will appreciate a lot if someone in the community make a video using
ReMoko (mouse, keyboard and gestures controlling for example a slideshow or
Amarok), I can't upload a video now because I only have internet access by a
limited data plan :) (3g card).

I appreciate some feedback, specially from people that can test the app with
Windows Vista and Mac OSX.


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Re: ("stable") Update report

[David Samblas]

El mié, 27-08-2008 a las 13:18 +0200, julien cubizolles escribió:
> Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:08 +0200, Olivier Berger a écrit :
> 
> 
> > Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;)
> 
> I was using raster's/illume keyboard from raster's image (qwerty button
> to access the keyboard, upperleft button on the keyboard to change
> dictionnaries, upperright button to change layout). Will I lose it if I
> do this upgrade ?
Yes
> 
> Julien.
> 
> 
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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

[tokenwizard]

Ok, well as soon  as I have time to deal with it I'll have to try and
Frankenstein some type of power cable contraption to get this thing booted
to the point the USB charge can kick in. Seems a little premature for such a
function to kick in when the battery is only slightly less that half
charged. Effectively, halving the battery capacity.

Guess it's back to my Sony Ericsson once more.
:thinking:



Michael Shiloh wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> tokenwizard wrote:
>> Well, I guess you guys were right about the battery. 0.02V!! What I don't
>> get
>> is how the hell the battery could go from almost half a charge to
>> completely
>> dead in the instant I plugged in the USB??
> 
> Sounds like the built-in under voltage protection circuit. When the 
> voltage falls below a certain level it flips a switch to avoid total 
> discharge, and as soon as it's charged above some level it flips back on.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yorick Moko wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:43 AM, tokenwizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
 I have one for you...
 I have been "using" my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered
 it
 through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three
 weeks
 later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a
 bit
 more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I really liked that
 most
 of
 the functionality was there, but I still wanted to run an OM distro, so
 I
 tried the ASU 2008.8. I really dislike where that one is going as far
 as
 the
 illume UI. So I went back to 2008.4 and kept it that way for a bit.
 TOday
 I
 plugged my phone into the USB on my PC to charge as I always have
 (while
 the
 phone was running) and the screen immediately went black. No, with this
 being a development phone, this didn't really phase me at first. This
 thing
 has seen its fair share of mysterious power issues. But this time was
 different. No matter what I do, I cannot get the damn thing to come
 back
 to
 life. I know it's not the battery because it was almost half full when
 I
 plugged it in.  But I have tried holding the Power button for 10
 seconds,
 and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both
 with
 and
 without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about
 a
 minute.

 It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive
 little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power
 button!

 Anybody seen this before??

 James

 steve-2 wrote:
>   I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit.
>
> we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the
> openmoko
> store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a
> 28
> day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on
> Arrival.
>
> If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA?
> If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA?
> same with GPS, did the software download fix it?
>
> If you send the phone back and it works  fine, what to do?
> if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping?
>
> Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue.
> We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can
> but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone.
>
> In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you
> have
> a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we
> suggested. And we will work from there.
>
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> ian douglas wrote:
>>> Sean/Michael/Community:
>>>
>>> It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD
>>> "fixes"
>>> and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ...
>>> I'm
>>> hoping that at some point the "squeaky wheel" cliche will work
>>> itself
>>> out and we'll get an answer.
>>>
>>> The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about
>>> warranty,
>>> we
>>> need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does
>>> cover?
>>> My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases
>>> got
>>> a 14-day "warranty", and group purchases were given a 28-day
>>> "warranty",
>>> but we've never been told what the warranty includes.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're
>>> cleaning
>>> it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing
>>> list
>>> archives anyway.
>>>
>>> Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems
>>> at
>>> a hardware level?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ian
>>

Re: ("stable") Update report

[David Samblas]

El mié, 27-08-2008 a las 13:18 +0200, julien cubizolles escribió:
> Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:08 +0200, Olivier Berger a écrit :
> 
> 
> > Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;)
> 
> I was using raster's/illume keyboard from raster's image (qwerty button
> to access the keyboard, upperleft button on the keyboard to change
> dictionnaries, upperright button to change layout). Will I lose it if I
> do this upgrade ?
Yes, that's why I have just turn back to my backuped raster+zecke image
> 
> Julien.
> 
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Re: Repository and Images

[shawnzier]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 07:13:58AM -0400, Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Julian Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Community,
> >
> >
> >   *) A new 2008.8 stable image
> >
> >  [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
> >
> >  Oh, it's daily build.
> >
> >   *) The repository of 2008.8
> >  After the building process complete, we also sync the repository[3]
> >  People can upgrade from there.
> >
> >  [3] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
> >
> >   *) Base Images and repository
> >  [5] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/
> >
> 
> Okay I think these details above sound great, but when I tried them out they
> did not go as expected.  Maybe we can get some clarification on the correct
> path for a user (like me :-)).
> 
> Anyway,
> Starting point 2008.08 w/ Zeche's testing repos -- everything up to date.
> Get this mail installed the testing image
> created:
> testing-all-feed.conf
> testing-armv4t-feed.conf
> testing-om-gta02-feed.conf
> all pointing to the testing repository listed above (5)
> 
> did the opkg update opkg upgrade
> This did lots of stuff ... I was getting excited about the new code

It also should have asked you if you want to update certain config
files. For some reason, with these repositories, they try to overwrite
your /etc/opk/*.conf files. It does ask you though, and you can see a
diff of the files by pressing D when it asks. 



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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

[Joseph Reeves]

Thanks Nathan, that sounds encouraging.

I've not found anything too useful yet:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find /sys | grep clock
/sys/devices/system/clocksource
/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0
/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
jiffies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

But I'll keep looking around.

Cheers,

Joseph



2008/8/26 Nathan Kinkade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/8/26 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I've just got hold of a new (to me) 2 gig card that Debian fails to
>> install on at almost the same point. I thought it might be a problem
>> related with the anti-virus on our firewall getting a hammering, so I
>> whitelisted the debian mirror and tried again, but it fails as before.
>> I've downloaded a couple of packages and md5sum'ed them - the returned
>> sums are correct, although I'm not going to go to the hassle of
>> manually downloading all the packages that failed and copying them
>> local to my phone.
> 
>
> I post this here not a certain fix, but perhaps another road to go
> down.  A friend and co-worker of mine was having problems installing
> Debian as well.  He was getting CRC errors on package installs.  He
> reduced the clock speed of the SD card down to something like only 10%
> of it's original speed and the install finally worked.  I didn't get
> from him how he lowered the clock speed of the card, but finding the
> right place /sys involved something like "find /sys | grep clock".
> Maybe this could help someone.
>
> Nathan
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GSM calls fail after a while on OM2008.8 update (with Zecke repo)

[Russell Hay]

Hi list,

after a while I find that I cannot dial out (GSM calls) from the Freerunner
OM2008.8. Calls simply don't complete. This is using the default dialler - I
haven't installed any other dialler. As per the subject line, I've included
updates from zecke's repo.

Is there a useful error log someplace I can include if I want to raise a bug
report?

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Re: Repository and Images

[Geoff Ruscoe]

As like some others, after installing the new image and opkg install
illume-config

I do not get the wrench and therefore cannot change several settings I would
like to be able to change.

Was there a bug report made for this?

Has there been any progress already (I know, I know, a little patience...)

Has anyone figured a work around?

thanks

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:49 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 07:13:58AM -0400, Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Julian Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Community,
> > >
> > >
> > >   *) A new 2008.8 stable image
> > >
> > >  [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
> > >
> > >  Oh, it's daily build.
> > >
> > >   *) The repository of 2008.8
> > >  After the building process complete, we also sync the
> repository[3]
> > >  People can upgrade from there.
> > >
> > >  [3] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
> > >
> > >   *) Base Images and repository
> > >  [5] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/
> > >
> >
> > Okay I think these details above sound great, but when I tried them out
> they
> > did not go as expected.  Maybe we can get some clarification on the
> correct
> > path for a user (like me :-)).
> >
> > Anyway,
> > Starting point 2008.08 w/ Zeche's testing repos -- everything up to date.
> > Get this mail installed the testing image
> > created:
> > testing-all-feed.conf
> > testing-armv4t-feed.conf
> > testing-om-gta02-feed.conf
> > all pointing to the testing repository listed above (5)
> >
> > did the opkg update opkg upgrade
> > This did lots of stuff ... I was getting excited about the new code
>
> It also should have asked you if you want to update certain config
> files. For some reason, with these repositories, they try to overwrite
> your /etc/opk/*.conf files. It does ask you though, and you can see a
> diff of the files by pressing D when it asks.
>
>
>


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Re: Sold out ahh

[Yogiz]

> Got the same speel about delivery from Sara but it did arrive pretty 
> close to the date via registered mail.

Hmm, okay, thanks. I guess I'll try to get more details from Sara then.
Perhaps the delivery company skrewed up.

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USB cable hacking

[Daniel Dadap]

Hello Community,

I just bought a portable USB battery pack ( one of these:
http://apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=314 ) to use with my
FreeRunner so that I could keep tangogps running to log a track for me
during a bike ride. It worked quite well: I was able to keep the unit
powered on for over 12 hours and still had some juice left over to
make some phone calls at the end of the day. However, I noticed that
the FR was only drawing 100mA. I was sort of hoping that the battery
pack would emulate a USB host and negotiate current, but it looks like
it just has available power.

Anyway, I saw on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger that the
included AC adapter has a 47.5 kOhm resistor betwen ID and GND. Like
many other people on this list, I have dozens of USB A to Mini-B
cables cluttering the house, and I figured it might be a neat idea to
cut a cable, splice it short (about 20cm or so), and add a resistor.
This cable would be used only for charging with the battery pack. I
don't like the idea of having to switch the FR to force fast charge,
possibly forgetting to switch it back before plugging it into a
computer, and possibly destroying the USB port on the computer and/or
the FR. A dedicated charging cable would make this simpler.

Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
operation?

Also, what part of the software exactly is responsible for charger
detection? I guess another possibility is to hack the software to
recognize shorted data pins as a charger. I have another device with a
charger that identifies itself by shorted data pins, but more
importantly, shorting the data pins is a much easier mod to perform on
a USB cable.

I suppose the easiest option would be to cut off the end of a FR
charger (or other compatible charger with a resistor across GND and
ID) and splice it with a USB cable... but I would like to hear other
suggestions that people may have.

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Re: GSM calls fail after a while on OM2008.8 update (with Zecke repo)

[Jeff Bailes]

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:43 +0100, Russell Hay wrote:
> Hi list, 
> 
> after a while I find that I cannot dial out (GSM calls) from the
> Freerunner OM2008.8. Calls simply don't complete. This is using the
> default dialler - I haven't installed any other dialler.

I've noticed this too, haven't got round to looking for a bug report
yet.  However, a temporary workaround is to reset gsm with a 'killall
qpe' and click 'Restart' on the dialogue that pops up, you'll have to
re-enter your PIN but it lets me call again (saves a lengthy reboot).
Jeff



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Need help [python-pygtk-dev error ]

[Pradeep Gottumukkala]

Hi,

I am working on Neo 1973(OM2007.2) device, while installing 
python-pygtk-dev it gives unsupported recommendation messages still it 
has installed on SD card but in working it is
 >>> import gtk
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "", line 1, in 
   File 
"/media/card/ipkg/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", 
line 48, in 
 from gtk import _gtk
ImportError: No module named cairo

In the past somebody in mailing list said it is because of broken 
packages. I tried to update feed path but no where I found other feed
paths that are useful.

In /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf:

src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all

src/gz all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/

src/gz armv4t 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/

src/gz fic-gta01 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/

Any help would be great.

With regards,
opendeep.


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Re: Repository and Images

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Marek Lindner wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27. August 2008 17:08:34 Al Johnson wrote:
> > Sounds good so long as the packaging stops people accidentally breaking
> > things just by installing a package. The problem installing 2 diallers is
> > a recent example where it didn't work. Also how will it handle the
> > situation where different frameworks use differently patched versions of
> > the same app? Tangogps springs to mind as an example that seems to be
> > slightly different on GTK, FSO and ASU.
>
> Obviously, you will be able to install 2 dialers if the dialers support
> that. If not I suggest to add necessary dependencies tp the packages.

I think we see things the same way. I just wanted to be sure, and was 
providing a recent example of problems caused when the dependencies in the 
package don't account for conflicts between frameworks.

> Don't consider this as something we completely designed and intend to push
> over you. Feel free to make suggestions. I see this approach as a chance to
> combine the different efforts on a single platform with the maximal user
> experience. Instead of this feature is working on image X but not on image
> Y which has feature Z running, etc.

Combining effort sounds much better than 'just fork it' ;-) I would hope it 
would lead to a single package for all frameworks, or a main package plus 
framework-specific backend packages.

I would like to see a way to request packages already in OE to be added to the 
repositories, probably starting in unstable as not all of them will work 
without modification. Minimo works, rdesktop partly works, and openvpn 
compliles, though I haven't tested it. linphonec works if you can force opkg 
into installing the older libosip2 it requires - this is probably a badly 
defined dependency, but I haven't yet learnt how to modify them. This has all 
been with mokomakefile and 2007.2

> > Is the mechanism for this in place, or still a work in progress? Are
> > there any details available on how to use it?
>
> Get in touch with our distro team to include your project. You can
> accelerate the process by providing a working bb file.

I will once I have something worthy of being a project! I was hoping to find 
out in advance so I don't end up having to restructure things to fit later.

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Re: WLAN troubles

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Derick Rethans wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I received my freerunner last weekend, and liking it sofar. I've had a
> play with wifi - and although the freerunning sees the networks just
> fine (with iwlist eth0 scan) and I can connect to the network as well -
> I get a DHCP lease, with nameservers and all, the route is correct too.
> However, I can't do any sort of connection - nor ping. I've looked
> around on the wiki and list archives, but I can't find why it is not
> working. Does any of you have any hint at were to look at to debug this
> issue?
>
> regards,
> Derick

As others have said, the problem is probably routing. If both usb0 and eth0 
are on the same subnet then you will have problems. you can fix it by 
fiddling with the routing, but it is probably easier just to use 'ifdown 
usb0' before you start the wifi connection, and 'ifup usb0' when you need to 
use the usb connection, while the wifi isn't connected.


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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:11:54 -0400 Alex Fitzpatrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Nishit Dave wrote:
> > well, here's a dumb question: how do we enter the Euro symbol in the 
> > Full-QWERTY keyboard?
> >
> Good question... you should add that symbol to
> 
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1795

you guys haven't used the resent editions of illume have you? the numbers
keyboard has a euro sign on it... and in the end - just make your own .kbd
files - they are simple text! :) i am providing a simple basic set to get
things started - i admit. it's not perfect. but i hope i have lowered the
barrier of entry for people to "help themselves" :)

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:06 +0200 julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :
> > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:45 +0200 David Samblas
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > 
> > > I have followed th Raster indications to install spanish dictionary and
> > > it works :)
> > 
> > fantastic! i never tested. including accented characters? like ñ etc.?
> 
> The accents don't work for me with a french dict : the word "abcès" is
> in my dictionnary but is never proposed in the list.

do you type a "è" on the keyboard? on an "e" (yes - you need to go to numbers
to fine an "è") ? is your dictionary utf8?

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:20:34 +0100 Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:35:53 +0200 julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> >
> >> 2 : I don't understand how "predicive" those two keyboards are. For me
> >> predictive would mean suggesting the n+1 (or n+p) character when I have
> >> pressed n keys. At the moment the only thing it does is suggesting
> >> several combination of n keys, to correct some typos I would have made.
> >> It's very annoying since the word I correctly typed isn't necessarily
> >> displayed among those suggestions. Is that how a "predictive" is
> >> supposed to work or am I missing something here ?
> >
> > with illume's keyboard (my one) in the latest illume's you get a
> > dictionary. it should be possible to create a french dictionary -
> > take /usr/share/dict/words from your desktop (i assume you have a french
> > one) and:
> 
> How different is your keyboard from the Qtopia 'predictive keyboard' -
> I don't have a FR yet - so I can't try them out. It sounds, from the
> gestures that people describe and the images I've seen that they are
> remarkably similar. The Qtopia one is the best touchscreen keyboard
> I've ever used
> (tried it on an A780 w. OpenEZX...) so I'm curious :)

illume's is very similar. in "simple predictive mode" (really corrective) it
works very similarly - just bang on the keyboard roughly where you should press
and it'll spell-correct and look for a "best match" and list all matches from
best to worse and have a full popup (unlike the qtopia one) for all matches to
scroll through, click on that same popup icon when no word is being composed
and you get to flip dictionary, and top-right lets you select layout (as well
as slide-up). slide-down is a shortcut for enter in illume and left/right slide
are the same. illume's dictionary files are flat text though.

> Do you work out probabilities in a similar way to them? Can you switch
> off the predictive and use 'normal' mode?

yes. Terminal layout has almost all keys on a normal qwerty keyboard (ctrl,
alt, arrow keys etc.) and doesnt try and predict.

> If it is not vastly different, I'm interested to know the reasons you
> chose to make a separate one (not in an accusing aggressive way! Just
> out of curiousity - I assume there's a good reason :)

because it's small, uses efl for theming (thus matches the rest of the
wm/desktop env) and not tied to qt/qtopia, and the fact there are a lot of
people uncomfortable with qt/qtopia (partly due to history, partly to it being
GPL and not LGPL etc.). also i knew there were usability issues with it - it's
got a steep learning curve - changing layout is "luck" rthat you happen to
figure out sliding up/down changes it. it also has its layouts hard-coded in,
whereas illume's are config files thus easier to generate for users - same with
dictionaries. so i'm addressing the weak points of the qtopia keyboard,
mimicking its strong points as well as providing a small lean one that is
flexible.

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2008.08-update + The Rasterman's keyboard

[Geoff Ruscoe]

I was wondering if anyone knew what the best way to update the keyboard
settings on the 2008.08 Update would be.

So I had to flash the 2008.08-update image after hosing my other install
(described elsewhere)...

Anyway, so I was trying to figure out the best way to get this update and
The Rasterman's keyboard fixes in place.

Install Rasterman's image and then do the updates from the update 2008.08
repositories?

Install 2008.08-update and manually fix -- I remember how I did this last
time so I may have to hunt.

And then lastly, Rasterman, I read on one of your posts that you are going
to focus on FSO, does that mean I should be too :-).

Basically I want phone and SMS + TangoGPS and modem (did the MUX stuff to
use at same time).  This with battery life, stable suspend/resume, and a
great keyboard, and I'd be happy as a pig on freerunner...

So is there anyway to get a ipk of fixes to convert 2008.08-update into the
Rasterman's keyboard setup?  Or am I better off reflashing again...

Anyway sorry for clogging this email but I think a lot of people would be
really happy to get this going.  And I'm interested in fixes for
2008.08-update, and plans of action for FSO also.

Thanks much all!

-Geoff
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Re: Toggling keyboard layouts in 2008.8 update

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:53:24 -0400 Alex Fitzpatrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Yorick Moko wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Alex Fitzpatrick
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> >> I found enter! I can die happy now... Enter is last character on the
> >> symbols "page"
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > hehe,
> > I think you will have a spontaneous orgasm when you discover Raster's
> > keyboard :)
> >
> >   
> I tried that out a few weeks ago when 2008.8 first crash landed ... very 
> nice! But it randomly failed and was replaced with the qtopia one. (As 
> discussed in list and in Trac)

well - it didnt fail... qpe's keyboard just fights with illumes for "who gets
the keyboard slot" - and just luck of the draw as to who is in the list
first :) illume can turn its own off and launch other kbd programs. qpe
currently always has its on all the time - so it will always clash until qpe
can turn it off :) illume has a gui for selecting the keyboard too. so choice
is there. just not exposed in ASU - it's exposed in FSO happily.

> We really need to find a way to allow users to really choose ... there 
> are some places where the predictive text works nicely... like SMS ... 
> but there are lots of places where that full qwerty keyboard is more 
> effective... like typing URLs. Having to choose one over the other by 
> hacking configurations is bloody silly.
> 
> As users we want the sun the moon and the stars and we want them 
> yesterday... with extra cheese! (And blackjack... and hookers!)
> 
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Fourth Request: What is the warranty for the FreeRunner?

[Lally Singh]

Any sort of warranty?
A purchasable extended warranty?
Spare parts prices?

Anything?



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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

julien cubizolles wrote:
> Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:45 +0200 David Samblas
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>>
>>> I have followed th Raster indications to install spanish dictionary and
>>> it works :)
>> fantastic! i never tested. including accented characters? like ñ etc.?
> 
> The accents don't work for me with a french dict : the word "abcès" is
> in my dictionnary but is never proposed in the list.

In Italian the accents are only at the end of the words, by the way they 
work.

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:13:14 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
>> And is there a way to disable the automatic keyboard showing at all?
>> I'd like to open the keyboard only tapping on the qwerty icon (like I 
>> had to do weeks ago with the first ASU images).
> 
> hmm - no there isn't a way to stop auto- it always responds... but i could add
> options for this. this seems a reasonable thing - IF you have access to the
> config. i'll add it to my list.

Cool!

>> Should this disabled on qtopia/illume [1] or is there another way to fix it?
>>
>> [1] Maybe reverting this http://tinyurl.com/6gzzmu ?

No words about this? :P

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softfloat or hardfloat ?

[Abelenda]

Hi,

out of curiosity I checked what was the default floating point
implementation for the gcc you provide for cross-compiling. [1]

It was a shock when I saw hard-float in the spec. Is it really a good
default for a processor which doesn't have FPU like the ARM920T ? I
read that in running hardfloat code on a cpu that doesn't support
floating point arithmetic is 10 times slower than using the floating
point libraries, due to the exception catch by the kernel.

So if you use a toolchain defaulting to hard implementation you need to
the option -msoft-float for every compilation.

Here are my questions : What are the options for the compilation of
packages ? Does it contain -msoft-float ? If not, is there a specific
reason ?



[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain

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Re: USB cable hacking

[Brad Midgley]

Daniel

> Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
> and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
> anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
> how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
> operation?

I made a cable with the resistor. Unfortunately I had to cut right
down to the miniusb connector and open the housing to solder to the id
pin. It sort of worked to use shrinkwrap to close everything up, but
the shrinkwrap slips a little when I use the plug. I probably should
just superglue it so it won't slip.

> Also, what part of the software exactly is responsible for charger
> detection? I guess another possibility is to hack the software to
> recognize shorted data pins as a charger.

there is an application out there... I forget the name... it makes you
play a sort of insulting game of clicking a fast-charge button several
times hidden in a field of never-mind buttons before it will kick it
in. Anyway, someone should do this right with just a single
old-fashioned confirmation dialog.

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Re: Nokia wired headsets compatibility

[David Pottage]

On Mon, August 25, 2008 10:52 pm, Alberto Morales wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In this page at the wiki [1] describes the pinout of the headset
> connector. It also says that the four-ring 2.5mm stereo jack is used by
> motorola smartphones and the v-360. Both motorola smartphones and v-360
> are very difficult to get in stores because v-360 is more than three
> years old. I've spend today three hours in a dozen stores in my city and
> i only found one, new but in very bad state, and very expensive (~25
> eur).
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset
>
> Some new nokia mobiles have the same kind of connector. This wiki page
> [2] says that the nokia 3.5-2.5 adapters doesn't work, but says nothing
> about nokia headsets. Some nokia headset model numbers with the same
> plug are: HS-45/AD-54, WH-700, HS-44/AD-44, HS-47, HS-40. Have you tried
> any of these on the Neo?

I have one of those Nokia headsets (Came with my E51).

It does not work properly. When connected to the Neo, I only get sound it
one ear, and it is not very loud. I have not tested the microphone
support.

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> >> Should this disabled on qtopia/illume [1] or is there another way to fix
> >> it?
> >>
> >> [1] Maybe reverting this http://tinyurl.com/6gzzmu ?
>
> No words about this? :P

Holger posted this in a comment on bug #1864:

 Small hint: You can put "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" into
 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89Qtopia and qpe will not instantiate a virtual
 keyboard and illume's keybord should be shown.

 See:
 
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=commit;h=b3d1d38877b5b433c81e18c34484856ce7bd0955


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Re: USB cable hacking

[William Kenworthy]

Start searching the archives - the cable hacking was covered weeks ago,
and there is also a software control that can be used.

Billk

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 09:00 -0400, Daniel Dadap wrote:
> Hello Community,
> 
> I just bought a portable USB battery pack ( one of these:
> http://apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=314 ) to use with my
> FreeRunner so that I could keep tangogps running to log a track for me
> during a bike ride. It worked quite well: I was able to keep the unit


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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:21:10 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
>> Well I have to say that it doesn't work always as expected... :/ I'm 
>> comparing the prediction of the illume keyboard with the one of the 
>> qtopia keyboard and using the same dictionary (well, in different 
>> formats but it contains in both cases the same 446674 words).
>> So, using the qtopia keyboard the correction applies always, while with 
>> the illume keyboard the more the word is long and more the 
>> typo-correction fails.
> 
> how are you using the correction? are you just taking he "most like;y" 1 word
> only - it should list all corrections - the one you want should be there -
> without frequency information it may not be the most likely match though. it
> could also be that the with illume the .kbd sets the "fuzz" value - this is 
> the
> search distance for neighbouring keys. this fuzz value may be too low for your
> fingers? i really need to know more. also the algorithm for sorting "best
> match" is commented with FIXME's - it's very simple, so if it gets the
> correction listed (check the full list by pressing the top-left dictionary
> icon) then it's finding it - just not sorting it that well. if it is not there
> - it's likely a fuzz value issue. a user config for multiplying the fuzz value
> might be good (to increase search space).

Well, generally for small words there's a correction list, but it's not 
always complete and often there are words very different from the one 
I'd like to write, but not that one. So maybe it doesn't search in all 
the dictionary. I could I try that?
However my fingers are not so great...
If you want I can send you my dictionaries, so you'll be able to test 
them in a better way.

> and is it really the same dictionary? how are you creating the illume and qpe
> dictionaries?

They're based on an online free dictionary, then while illume uses a 
list of sorted words, qtopia uses the same list converted to dawg using 
qdawgen (I don't studied a lot that format but if I'm not wrong [maybe 
I'm only mixing my ideas about a dictionary file format] it represents 
the words in some threes where the roots are the composed by the letters 
and every node could be both a father and a child. I guess that reduces 
the size of the dictionary [1,9mb vs  6mb] and maybe its analysis).
However they contain the same words!

>> Using smaller dictionaries the things improves, but my dictionary isn't 
>> complete yet :o!
> 
> hmm - if it isnt working well for you i am interesting in fixing it - so i'm
> probing for info. :)

Nice to ear! :)

Another thing I'd like to suggest you is that imho the backspace/space 
right-left/left-right dragging is too long. If you try writing using 
your thumbs you can notice that is hard deleting a word... Imho they 
should be more sensible.

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:37:45 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> julien cubizolles wrote:
> > Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :
> >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:45 +0200 David Samblas
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >>
> >>> I have followed th Raster indications to install spanish dictionary and
> >>> it works :)
> >> fantastic! i never tested. including accented characters? like ñ etc.?
> > 
> > The accents don't work for me with a french dict : the word "abcès" is
> > in my dictionnary but is never proposed in the list.
> 
> In Italian the accents are only at the end of the words, by the way they 
> work.

hmm ok. 1 positive for working. :)

btw - i dont have any code to map é -> e or ö -> o, et.c (ie remove accent from
char) for matching to simple latin text (and expanding matches with accents)
that's actually a fixme in the code - when it normalises A -> a and B -> b
(remove case) it doesn't do any accent stripping.


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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:41:39 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:13:14 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >> And is there a way to disable the automatic keyboard showing at all?
> >> I'd like to open the keyboard only tapping on the qwerty icon (like I 
> >> had to do weeks ago with the first ASU images).
> > 
> > hmm - no there isn't a way to stop auto- it always responds... but i could
> > add options for this. this seems a reasonable thing - IF you have access to
> > the config. i'll add it to my list.
> 
> Cool!
> 
> >> Should this disabled on qtopia/illume [1] or is there another way to fix
> >> it?
> >>
> >> [1] Maybe reverting this http://tinyurl.com/6gzzmu ?
> 
> No words about this? :P

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:06 +0200 julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
> 
>> Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :
>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:45 +0200 David Samblas
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>>>
 I have followed th Raster indications to install spanish dictionary and
 it works :)
>>> fantastic! i never tested. including accented characters? like ñ etc.?
>> The accents don't work for me with a french dict : the word "abcès" is
>> in my dictionnary but is never proposed in the list.
> 
> do you type a "è" on the keyboard? on an "e" (yes - you need to go to numbers
> to fine an "è") ? is your dictionary utf8?

Ah, another request: what about considering "e" like "è", "é" and other 
special chars? It would improve a lot writing!
I should have somewhere I function I wrote to do that (for different 
purposes, of course) maybe it could help (well, I know it's easy to 
write but so much annoying!).

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:05:11 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:06 +0200 julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> > 
> >> Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 09:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :
> >>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:31:45 +0200 David Samblas
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >>>
>  I have followed th Raster indications to install spanish dictionary and
>  it works :)
> >>> fantastic! i never tested. including accented characters? like ñ etc.?
> >> The accents don't work for me with a french dict : the word "abcès" is
> >> in my dictionnary but is never proposed in the list.
> > 
> > do you type a "è" on the keyboard? on an "e" (yes - you need to go to
> > numbers to fine an "è") ? is your dictionary utf8?
> 
> Ah, another request: what about considering "e" like "è", "é" and other 
> special chars? It would improve a lot writing!

i know. already accounted for it. from illume's code (e_kbd_dict.c right at the
top) ... right now "normalising" is:

   // FIXME: ö -> o, ä -> a, Ó -> o etc. - ie normalise to latin-1
   return tolower(glyph) & 0x7f;

not great... but hey... better than a kick in the head :)

> I should have somewhere I function I wrote to do that (for different 
> purposes, of course) maybe it could help (well, I know it's easy to 
> write but so much annoying!).

yes. annoying. i would need a nice big table of all the unicode points and what
to map them to. also the issue was to make it fast - as this is done during
searching to match fuzzily - so every char will have this transform done...
multiple time ( i could limit it to once actually - but not in the code right
now).

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:00:50 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:21:10 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >> Well I have to say that it doesn't work always as expected... :/ I'm 
> >> comparing the prediction of the illume keyboard with the one of the 
> >> qtopia keyboard and using the same dictionary (well, in different 
> >> formats but it contains in both cases the same 446674 words).
> >> So, using the qtopia keyboard the correction applies always, while with 
> >> the illume keyboard the more the word is long and more the 
> >> typo-correction fails.
> > 
> > how are you using the correction? are you just taking he "most like;y" 1
> > word only - it should list all corrections - the one you want should be
> > there - without frequency information it may not be the most likely match
> > though. it could also be that the with illume the .kbd sets the "fuzz"
> > value - this is the search distance for neighbouring keys. this fuzz value
> > may be too low for your fingers? i really need to know more. also the
> > algorithm for sorting "best match" is commented with FIXME's - it's very
> > simple, so if it gets the correction listed (check the full list by
> > pressing the top-left dictionary icon) then it's finding it - just not
> > sorting it that well. if it is not there
> > - it's likely a fuzz value issue. a user config for multiplying the fuzz
> > value might be good (to increase search space).
> 
> Well, generally for small words there's a correction list, but it's not 
> always complete and often there are words very different from the one 
> I'd like to write, but not that one. So maybe it doesn't search in all 
> the dictionary. I could I try that?
> However my fingers are not so great...
> If you want I can send you my dictionaries, so you'll be able to test 
> them in a better way.

hmm. is this english? i am wondering if non-ascii chars are messing it up or
not. your dictionary may be useful - i have just been going off my 98,000 or so
entry dict from /usr/share/dict/words which seems to be big enough for me it
seems and has pretty much everything in it... for english anyway. as its used
for spellchecking i kind of assumed it'd be good enough for typing up sms's and
emails :) at least in my tests it is listing all the completions i'd expect it
to. did you sort -f the illume dict? (non-case-sensitive sort)?

> > and is it really the same dictionary? how are you creating the illume and
> > qpe dictionaries?
> 
> They're based on an online free dictionary, then while illume uses a 
> list of sorted words, qtopia uses the same list converted to dawg using 
> qdawgen (I don't studied a lot that format but if I'm not wrong [maybe 
> I'm only mixing my ideas about a dictionary file format] it represents 
> the words in some threes where the roots are the composed by the letters 
> and every node could be both a father and a child. I guess that reduces 
> the size of the dictionary [1,9mb vs  6mb] and maybe its analysis).
> However they contain the same words!

illume's dict is 6mb? hmm i guess the raw text there has a lot of redundancy :)
i tried to keep the dictionary simple in illume but am always willing to look
at other ways to improve it. though the keyboard is not really a focus of mine
- it's something along the way so there may come a time when i go "well- you
want it better.. please.. send a patch!"... but its fresh on my plate now, so
it's active :)

> >> Using smaller dictionaries the things improves, but my dictionary isn't 
> >> complete yet :o!
> > 
> > hmm - if it isnt working well for you i am interesting in fixing it - so i'm
> > probing for info. :)
> 
> Nice to ear! :)
> 
> Another thing I'd like to suggest you is that imho the backspace/space 
> right-left/left-right dragging is too long. If you try writing using 
> your thumbs you can notice that is hard deleting a word... Imho they 
> should be more sensible.

from illume's TODO file (in svn):

* kbd needs drag for backspace/next word etc. to be shorter

:) already there. :) well - as with accent normalising - there is a marker that
i realise something needs to be done.

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:59:05 +0100 Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> > >> Should this disabled on qtopia/illume [1] or is there another way to fix
> > >> it?
> > >>
> > >> [1] Maybe reverting this http://tinyurl.com/6gzzmu ?
> >
> > No words about this? :P
> 
> Holger posted this in a comment on bug #1864:
> 
>  Small hint: You can put "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" into
>  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89Qtopia and qpe will not instantiate a virtual
>  keyboard and illume's keybord should be shown.

aha! there is the config opt... so a bit of script hacking. :)


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Re: Repository and Images

[Rod Whitby]

> On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Marek Lindner wrote:
>> We also 
>> encourage $your_project to be built by our auto builder and become
>> installable on the base image. This should give you the time to focus on
>> improving your project instead of building and distributing it.
>> The "unstable" package feed will always contain your latest code, "testing"
>> the version you think is ready for use.

Will you be autobuilding from the OE git repository or the OM git
repository?

If the latter, will non-Openmoko staff have commit rights?

If not, then we will still need autobuilders for the community
distributions, since there is no automatic syncing from repositories
with community commit rights to the Openmoko repository as far as I am
aware.

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[julien cubizolles]

Le jeudi 28 août 2008 à 00:25 +1000, Carsten Haitzler a écrit :

> aha! there is the config opt... so a bit of script hacking. :)

By the way, could you describe how to install illume's keyboard manually
in case an update messes it. So far, I can only do it by reflashing.

Thanks.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Ganesha Krishna]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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> To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
>  simple deb package to instal).

I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?

>
> In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
> longer time.
A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.
>
> Michele Renda

Thanks
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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

[Nathan Kinkade]

2008/8/27 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Thanks Nathan, that sounds encouraging.
>
> I've not found anything too useful yet:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find /sys | grep clock
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
> jiffies
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>
> But I'll keep looking around.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph

This is probably it: /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk

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Re: USB cable hacking

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Daniel Dadap wrote:
> Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
> and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
> anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
> how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
> operation?

It's worse than that - the only UK source of mini-B plugs I've found is 
Maplin, and the connector only has 4 solder pads :-( They don't bother 
exposing the ID pin as it's so rarely used. So far as I can tell RS, Farnell, 
Rapid Electronics, CPC don't stock the plugs at all. Has anyone found a 
supplier? It's looking like I'll have to fall back on maplin plus surgery and 
delicate soldering...

> Also, what part of the software exactly is responsible for charger
> detection?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode


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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

[Joseph Reeves]

Thanks again Nathan,

Just found this extra info via google:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00942.html

Joseph



2008/8/27 Nathan Kinkade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/8/27 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Thanks Nathan, that sounds encouraging.
>>
>> I've not found anything too useful yet:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find /sys | grep clock
>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource
>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0
>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
>> jiffies
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>>
>> But I'll keep looking around.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>
> This is probably it: /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk
>
> Nathan
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Re: Fourth Request: What is the warranty for the FreeRunner?

[Francesco Cat]

Warranty depends only from the distributor.

Phone buyed from the openmoko store only have the DOA warranty (14 days).

Please if you want to know more things search the mailing list (EG:
what DOA means).

2008/8/27 Lally Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Any sort of warranty?
> A purchasable extended warranty?
> Spare parts prices?
>
> Anything?
>
>
>
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Michele Renda]

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This is the Sebastian Ohl patch:

http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

Remember, than before to restart you have to recalibrate your screen
downloading http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal in
/etc/pointercal


Regards
Michele Renda

Ganesha Krishna wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
>>  simple deb package to instal).
> 
> I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
> package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?
> 
>> In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
>> longer time.
> A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.
>> Michele Renda
> 
> Thanks
> -GK
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Ganesha Krishna]

oops! the .deb is right on the top of this thread! sorry (in my
defence, it says left click near the link )

Thanks,
-GK


On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Ganesha Krishna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>
>> To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
>>  simple deb package to instal).
>
> I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
> package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?
>
>>
>> In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
>> longer time.
> A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.
>>
>> Michele Renda
>
> Thanks
> -GK
>

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Re: GSM calls fail after a while on OM2008.8 update (with Zecke repo)

[Russell Hay]

Thanks - that'll keep me going for now :-)

Russ

2008/8/27 Jeff Bailes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:43 +0100, Russell Hay wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > after a while I find that I cannot dial out (GSM calls) from the
> > Freerunner OM2008.8. Calls simply don't complete. This is using the
> > default dialler - I haven't installed any other dialler.
>
> I've noticed this too, haven't got round to looking for a bug report
> yet.  However, a temporary workaround is to reset gsm with a 'killall
> qpe' and click 'Restart' on the dialogue that pops up, you'll have to
> re-enter your PIN but it lets me call again (saves a lengthy reboot).
> Jeff
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Ganesha Krishna]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Ganesha Krishna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>
>> To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
>>  simple deb package to instal).
>
> I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
> package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?
>
>>
>> In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
>> longer time.
> A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.
>>
>> Michele Renda
>
> Thanks
> -GK
>

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

[Angus Ainslie]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Holger posted this in a comment on bug #1864:
> >
> >  Small hint: You can put "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" into
> >  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89Qtopia and qpe will not instantiate a virtual
> >  keyboard and illume's keybord should be shown.
>
> aha! there is the config opt... so a bit of script hacking. :)
>
>
Using the 2008.9 update image this effectively disables the qwerty button.
To get this to work do you need to start from the rasterman image or can I
just install an illume ipk to get the full keyboard ?

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Re: Nokia wired headsets compatibility

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 27 August 2008, David Pottage wrote:
> On Mon, August 25, 2008 10:52 pm, Alberto Morales wrote:
> > Some new nokia mobiles have the same kind of connector. This wiki page
> > [2] says that the nokia 3.5-2.5 adapters doesn't work, but says nothing
> > about nokia headsets. Some nokia headset model numbers with the same
> > plug are: HS-45/AD-54, WH-700, HS-44/AD-44, HS-47, HS-40. Have you tried
> > any of these on the Neo?
>
> I have one of those Nokia headsets (Came with my E51).
>
> It does not work properly. When connected to the Neo, I only get sound it
> one ear, and it is not very loud. I have not tested the microphone
> support.

2008.8 doesn't switch the alsa state from stereoout.state to headset.state 
when you plug the headset in. Stereoout.state will give sound in one ear of 
the headset while headset.state will give it in both. Can you confirm it's a 
hardware problem rather than the wrong alsa settings?

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OPIE on FreeRunner

[Daniel Selinger]

I dont know if this question ever raised, but is there any effort in
collaborating with the folks from OPIE [1]?
I know their Gui is designed for Palms and iPaks and looks a lot like
Windows Mobile.
But they have a lot of mature apps like their integrated PIM suite and,
networking support with plugins (wifi, ppp, irda, bt), todayscreen, 
filemanager, package manager, viewers, 

I have no technical background abount opie, if it is possible to
bring those apps and maybe even the gui to the freerunner. (I could
imagine zhone as a launcher icon inside opie [2] as it is on FSO).
Which would give us a really nice and somewhat grown up environment
which is already developed for mobile devices for a long time.

[1] http://opie.handhelds.org
[2]
http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php/v/opie12/desktop_small_highlight.png.html

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

[Christian Adams]

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moinmoin

i am running [EMAIL PROTECTED] with xdm/xfce/sebastians tslib-patch and  
visible cursor on 8G sandisk-SD.
simple clicks are no problem, but right-click is a little bit tricky  
sometimes due to the cursor jiggling around the steady stylus aprox  
5px ..

has someone an idea to stop this jiggling somehow?

another thing is (at least for me) not proper working suspend.
i installed kenel/modules from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ 
freerunner/200808/20080824 so i get a proper output in /proc/apm and  
invoking 'apm' gives also proper output.
what actualy doesn't work is suspending via 'apm -s'.
gui is freezing but that's all ..
i can still connect via ssh/wlan and in 'ps aux' i can see a process  
'apm -s' just sitting around doing nothing

i'd love to hear how to solve this .. :)

best regards, morlac

Am 20.08.2008 um 09:28 schrieb Michele Renda:

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> Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
> found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
>
>
> After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
> need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I  
> made to
> make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
>
> I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
> ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
>
> With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed  
> these
> programs (check internet connectivity)
>
>
> apt-get install aptitude
>
> aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
>
> Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
>
> (thank you again Sebastian)
>
> http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5 
> +fso2_armel.deb
>
> after I installed it with:
>
> dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
>
> I have also to recalibrate the screen:
>
> wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
> mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
>
> Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
>
> Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
>
> and trasform is something like this:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> exec startxfce4 &
> matchbox-keyboard-toggle &
> exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
>
>
> (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
>
>
> Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the  
> icons
> (I have 48)
>
>
> I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for  
> FR and
> from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
> there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
>
> I hope it help someone.
>
> Best regards
> Michele Renda

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Re: GSM calls fail after a while on OM2008.8 update (with Zecke repo)

[Nishit Dave]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Russell Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks - that'll keep me going for now :-)
>
> Russ
>
> 2008/8/27 Jeff Bailes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:43 +0100, Russell Hay wrote:
>> > Hi list,
>> >
>> > after a while I find that I cannot dial out (GSM calls) from the
>> > Freerunner OM2008.8. Calls simply don't complete. This is using the
>> > default dialler - I haven't installed any other dialler.
>>
>> I've noticed this too, haven't got round to looking for a bug report
>> yet.  However, a temporary workaround is to reset gsm with a 'killall
>> qpe' and click 'Restart' on the dialogue that pops up, you'll have to
>> re-enter your PIN but it lets me call again (saves a lengthy reboot).
>> Jeff
>>
>
Can someone write handy scripts for this and restoring the gsmheadset.state
file while using the headset etc., which can be put on the home screen?  We
could also have a special Rescue package to be used in emergencies.
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