date:20081020

Great overview what has happened in a relatively short period of time. Very
well written for its purpose. Short, to the point.
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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

2008-10-20 Thread Vasco Névoa

Excellent report, Minh!
I've been having too little time to follow the traffic, you're a life  
saver! :)

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Re: One more rotate version

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
 As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate 
 program, I am also going to do it.

heh, you could've just sent a patch :)

 After reading the source code of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate program, I 
 found some parts that could be improved and hacked on those. The result 
 differs 
 from the original in the following points:
  - No brightness control (Its just annoying)

I found that ever since I added it I never again had the weird split
screen after rotation bug which sometimes happened when going
horizontal.

Doesn't that ever occur to you?

  - Imo better (and faster) heuristics

I'll check on them and perhaps integrate.

  - Fewer errors and false positives (the display won't rotate while the phone 
 is shaken around or sth. like this)

Ah, that's very much needed but I haven't had a lot of chance to hack
(having an ITIL exam tomorrow).

  - uses fewer CPU cycles (I have not done much research, because it would not 
 even show up in top)

? I hardly ever see mine on top, and even so when it did never more than
1% (especially with the dimmed screen).

 BUT:
  - It still suffers from the accelerometers stop working after a while bug.

This is hopefully a driver problem (if it's a hardware problem we're
SOL).

 I would much appreciate feedback on the program and especially on the quality 
 of the code. And I would even more appreciate a better accelerometer driver 
 so 
 userland hacks like one by Oscar Casamitjana are not necessary anymore

Yeah...

Rui


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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

2008-10-20 Thread Denis Johnson

Excellent summary, many hours saved. Much appreciated, please keep it up.

Cheers Denis


On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello everybody,

 welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th
 issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory,
 and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user
 experience.

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications

 Contents

* 1 Images
* 2 Applications
* 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
* 4 Community
* 5 Outside Openmoko

 Images

 Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th
 images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but
 rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others
 distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet
 but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume
 support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no
 release yet either.

 Applications

 Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online
 directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is
 community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow
 of community developped utilities, I noticed:

* the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine
 noise simulator.
* Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition
 and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are
 many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the
 time.
* The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic
 instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future
 developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
* Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and
 window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the AUX button is
 pressed.

 With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read
 that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very
 handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage.
 Also:

* FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
* Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based distributions
 (it was already available on Debian).
* In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of
 light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo
 (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well.
 Choice, choice, choice...
* The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2,
 qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also
 started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from
 the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly
 connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And
 removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles)

 Good fixes and discussed issues

 Many good news:

* There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that
 dialing *123 or #4 should work soon.
* There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a.
 bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering
 deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
* Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to
 application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power
 is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the
 Harald and the Swisscom research project !
* OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the
 infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
* Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE.

 Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard
 these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an
 unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication:
 Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled
 in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully
 apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use
 the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than
 later.

 Community

* Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They
 decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer,
 Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a while. This
 decision was very positively received by everybody. John Lee is assembling
 the engineering task force at

Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

2008-10-20 Thread Dale Maggee

as others have said, thanks alot for your work with these updates Minh! 
Great stuff!

Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 Hello everybody,

 welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th 
 issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory, 
 and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user 
 experience.

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications

 Contents

 * 1 Images
 * 2 Applications
 * 3 Good fixes and discussed issues
 * 4 Community
 * 5 Outside Openmoko

 Images

 Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th 
 images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but 
 rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others 
 distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet 
 but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume 
 support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no 
 release yet either.

 Applications

 Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online 
 directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is 
 community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow 
 of community developped utilities, I noticed:

 * the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine 
 noise simulator.
 * Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition 
 and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are 
 many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the 
 time.
 * The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic 
 instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future 
 developments coming at http://AccelSense.org
 * Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and 
 window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the AUX button is 
 pressed. 

 With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read 
 that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very 
 handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage. 
 Also:

 * FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8
 * Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based 
 distributions 
 (it was already available on Debian).
 * In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of 
 light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo 
 (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well. 
 Choice, choice, choice...
 * The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2, 
 qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also 
 started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from 
 the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly 
 connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And 
 removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles) 

 Good fixes and discussed issues

 Many good news:

 * There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that 
 dialing *123 or #4 should work soon.
 * There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a. 
 bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering 
 deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already.
 * Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to 
 application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power 
 is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the 
 Harald and the Swisscom research project !
 * OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the 
 infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer.
 * Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE. 

 Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard 
 these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an 
 unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication: 
 Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled 
 in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully 
 apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use 
 the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than 
 later.

 Community

 * Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They 
 decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer, 
 Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a while. This 
 decision was very positively received by everybody. John Lee is assembling 
 the engineering

Re: One more rotate version

2008-10-20 Thread Fabian Henze

On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
  As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate
  program, I am also going to do it.

 heh, you could've just sent a patch :)

Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not used to :p

  After reading the source code of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate
  program, I found some parts that could be improved and hacked on those.
  The result differs from the original in the following points:
   - No brightness control (Its just annoying)

 I found that ever since I added it I never again had the weird split
 screen after rotation bug which sometimes happened when going
 horizontal.

 Doesn't that ever occur to you?
It always occur if I switch from xrandr -o 1 to xrandr -o 3. However only 
then.


   - Imo better (and faster) heuristics

 I'll check on them and perhaps integrate.

Great :)

   - uses fewer CPU cycles (I have not done much research, because it would
  not even show up in top)

 ? I hardly ever see mine on top, and even so when it did never more than
 1% (especially with the dimmed screen).

oh, okay^^ Your announce message said something around 0.9%.

  BUT:
   - It still suffers from the accelerometers stop working after a while
  bug.

 This is hopefully a driver problem (if it's a hardware problem we're
 SOL).

Yeah hopefully. I have tried running cat /dev/input/event3 and it also stops 
after some time.
@openmoko-devs: this would be a great bugfix for your 'back to the basics' path


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Re: Pingus ported

2008-10-20 Thread Max Giesbert

thx for the changes. so far it works great. only suggestion i would like
to make is that you check if the screen is already rotated at startup.
also bring it back to the same mode after exit.

thx


max

Alasal schrieb:
 I've changed the package of Sander, So it rotates on start and it starts with
 the right screen resolution and more. For more information, look at
 http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/getting-pingus-on-your-neo-freerunner.html
 
 ps. The package may be used for inclusion on opkg. But I didn't do it,
 because some people want sound (What I doubt, because it's not playing well)
 and I've disabled it on my package. 
 
 
 Sander van Grieken wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
 clone, 
 for OE based distributions (it was already available on Debian).

 I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
 there's 
 no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches. I have
 created 
 the binaries for you.

 On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 

 http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
 http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk

 Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
 dependency 
 right, so you'll need to do that manually.

 Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
 enough 
 SDL packages.

 more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander


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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Alastair Johnson

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 William Kenworthy wrote:
 Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage.
 Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia
 has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :)
 
 Well, I don't really know what Akonadi is using, but when I installed it
 in my ubuntu build it was depending in mysql-client and mysql-server.
 Now, if mysql (with a server always running) is really needed I think
 that we can't use in our phone.

 From the  tutorial below I get the impression that Akonadi can use more 
or less anything as a storage backend if you write the resource handler 
for it, and kdevelop has templates for these. Ubuntu, like most binary 
distributions, tends to pull in all sorts of things as dependencies that 
aren't strictly necessary.

http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Akonadi/Resources

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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

2008-10-20 Thread Alastair Johnson

Linus Gasser wrote:
 Joel Newkirk a écrit :
 When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
 long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
 /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)
 
 Did the same thing here (swapped swap and home). This is the important 
 part of my fstab, if it helps someone:
 
 # microSD slot
 /dev/mmcblk0p1/media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
 /dev/mmcblk0p2/home   ext2defaults,async  0  0
 /dev/mmcblk0p3none swap   sw 0 0

You might like to add noatime,nodiratime to the options too.

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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

2008-10-20 Thread Iain B. Findleton

All that works just fine, particularly the use of a swap partiton which
eliminates the slowing of the FR with time. I also made /usr/local point
to the uSD so that any applications I install are not affected by
changes to the flashed stuff.

I notice little negative effects by putting as much as possible on the
uSD. I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however. That is just
an impression as I have not run any tests.

Joel Newkirk wrote:
 On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:39:34 +0100, Andy Selby
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Is there a way that /home/ is in my SD card? Only /home/, like we do in
   
 Linux
 
 distributions... so I can flash whenever i want the Neo without loosing
 configuration files, icons and stuff I am adapting for myself in the
   
 Neo?

 Did you try
 #link /media/card/home /home
 

 Actually that'd be 'ln'... ;)

 The solution I suspect Andy is seeking is to alter /etc/fstab:
 /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
 change to 
 /dev/mmcblk0p1  /home autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0

 This replaces /home in the filesystem with the contents of the first
 partition on the uSD.  (note that if the /home folder already exists that
 this will effectively redirect /home to the uSD without touching the
 'local' /home, so that if the uSD is removed, corrupted, etc, and doesn't
 mount, there's still a /home/root folder, just without everything you
 customized and added while on the uSD)

 When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
 long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
 /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)

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Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image

2008-10-20 Thread GNUtoo

 Houray,

 I test the last FSO image and good things have been done :

- suspend/resume works.
what do you mean by work?
do you mean that you can suspend?
or do you mean that when you suspend and you press the button again it
comes back 100% of the time and that it doesn't misses calls(so 100% of
the times it comes out of suspend when there is a call)
Thanks in advance for your response.


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Re: One more rotate version

2008-10-20 Thread Fabian Henze

On 20.10.2008 at 13:49:32, SCarlson wrote:
 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what i've read, the
 accelerometers are not dieing but the mechanism that exposes them to
 /dev/eventX does.? Still able to view throught the /sys/proc route?

That's possible but why do you care? The effect is the same.

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Re: One more rotate version

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
 On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
   As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate
   program, I am also going to do it.
 
  heh, you could've just sent a patch :)
 
 Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not used to :p

It would be easier than fixing the indent in order to join the patch and
have you as a co-author :)

I'm not prickly about any style, that's just my default and it's
manually done.

If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)

   After reading the source code of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's rotate
   program, I found some parts that could be improved and hacked on those.
   The result differs from the original in the following points:
- No brightness control (Its just annoying)
 
  I found that ever since I added it I never again had the weird split
  screen after rotation bug which sometimes happened when going
  horizontal.
 
  Doesn't that ever occur to you?
 It always occur if I switch from xrandr -o 1 to xrandr -o 3. However only 
 then.
 
- uses fewer CPU cycles (I have not done much research, because it would
   not even show up in top)
 
  ? I hardly ever see mine on top, and even so when it did never more than
  1% (especially with the dimmed screen).
 
 oh, okay^^ Your announce message said something around 0.9%.

That was previously... and when I saw it :)

   BUT:
- It still suffers from the accelerometers stop working after a while
   bug.
 
  This is hopefully a driver problem (if it's a hardware problem we're
  SOL).
 
 Yeah hopefully. I have tried running cat /dev/input/event3 and it also stops 
 after some time.
 @openmoko-devs: this would be a great bugfix for your 'back to the basics' 
 path

:)

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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

2008-10-20 Thread Vikas Saurabh

Flash has limited writes in its lifetime. That is why we have special
filesystems for flash [1],[2] (e.g. jffs2).

ext3 (due to its journalling) might not be good idea for Sd-card. I think
ext2 would fare fine except that it might be left with corrupted FS in case
improper shutdown but at least it would not impact the life of the card.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Iain B. Findleton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
 appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however.


--VIkas

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flash_file_systems#Flash_memory_.2F_solid_state_media_file_systems
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_flash#Flash_file_systems
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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

2008-10-20 Thread BS - João Vieira


I just did as L. Gasser said, it's working fine, i notice some slowlyness in 
xTerm in the neo when working in /home/ area but it's no big deal.

Used gParted to make partitions, and used ext2 instead of ext3

thanks guys
J

On Monday 20 October 2008, Iain B. Findleton wrote:
 All that works just fine, particularly the use of a swap partiton which
 eliminates the slowing of the FR with time. I also made /usr/local point
 to the uSD so that any applications I install are not affected by
 changes to the flashed stuff.

 I notice little negative effects by putting as much as possible on the
 uSD. I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
 appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however. That is just
 an impression as I have not run any tests.

 Joel Newkirk wrote:
  On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:39:34 +0100, Andy Selby
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there a way that /home/ is in my SD card? Only /home/, like we do in
 
  Linux
 
  distributions... so I can flash whenever i want the Neo without loosing
  configuration files, icons and stuff I am adapting for myself in the
 
  Neo?
 
  Did you try
  #link /media/card/home /home
 
  Actually that'd be 'ln'... ;)
 
  The solution I suspect Andy is seeking is to alter /etc/fstab:
  /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/card autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
  change to
  /dev/mmcblk0p1  /home autodefaults,async,noauto   0  0
 
  This replaces /home in the filesystem with the contents of the first
  partition on the uSD.  (note that if the /home folder already exists that
  this will effectively redirect /home to the uSD without touching the
  'local' /home, so that if the uSD is removed, corrupted, etc, and doesn't
  mount, there's still a /home/root folder, just without everything you
  customized and added while on the uSD)
 
  When (if) I get my FR where I plan to retain the same installation
  long-term, I intend to carve up the 8gb uSD and have /dev/mmcblk0p3 as
  /home.  (partition #2 as swap, #1 as alternate boot)
 
  j
 
 
 
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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-20 Thread Marx


Hi
I tried qtextended and I really like it. I even got WIFI working using only
the GUI . And I have no problems with sound during calls.

But there are also some problems. Mostly the same as Franky described.


Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 
 - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery
 meter was still at 80%. Nice!
 
That is with using suspend? I charged the phone fully and turned the suspend
off. After about 8 or 9 hours (I didn't do anything with the phone during
that time, except one wake-up alarm) it said that the battery is extremely
low.



Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 
 - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore
 
No problems, even without updating the alsa state file.



Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 
 - gsm suspends/unsuspends fine (for calls and sms's too)
 
My phone didn't wake up from suspend when a call came in. So I can't use the
suspend. Is there any fix or workaround for this?


And some more problems and questions:
- If suspended, the wake-up alarm goes off too late (It seems the alarm
starts as many minutes too late how many minutes before the expected alarm
time I set it. So if i set the alarm at 12:00 to start at 12:05 then it
actually starts 12:10 and if I set it at 12:00 to start at 12:30 then it
starts 13:00 etc). If not suspended, it goes off at the right time.
- The arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard don't work when using the
Terminal application. So I can't go up in the bash history.
- If a call arrives and I select Send busy tone it registers two missed
calls.
- First it didn't show any of my SIM contacts. They appeared after I
selected some other configuration from Server Widgets. And now they are
still here, even after I switched back to Default QT Extended.
- As Franky said, after every call it plays a weird and loud sound. It's
really annoying. What is it? And why? Can I disable it?
- Same problems with mp3 playback as Franky described.
- So it's impossible to install any extra software? The default feed url
(http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo) shows 404 and
http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo just doesn't show any packages
in the package manager, although it shows them when viewing this url in a
web browser.
- Can I manually add something in the Applications menu? For example a short
cut to a bash script.
- What video formats can the Media Player play? I tried ogg, xvid and 3gp -
didn't play them.
- It's impossible to delete a file using a GUI?
- When editing notes using the Notes application it most times doesn't save
the changes when clicking Back. But few times it did. I don't know what I
did differently these times.


But otherwise it's quite good and I can (almost) use my Freerunner as an
everyday phone.
Thanks!
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consider buying Neo Freerunner

2008-10-20 Thread z . pekar

Hello,
I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
(since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
:

#  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
# Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352

My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
presumable release of GTA3?
If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some
alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it
could be usable?

I ask because of this recent post:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview :
Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware.

thank you in advance
Zeev

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Re: One more rotate version

2008-10-20 Thread SCarlson


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what i've read, the accelerometers
are not dieing but the mechanism that exposes them to /dev/eventX does.?
Still able to view throught the /sys/proc route?

Scott


Fabian Henze wrote:
 
 On 20.10.2008 at 04:14:08, SCarlson wrote:
  Very snappy. It does die pretty quickly.. Due to accelerometer
 failing?
 How can I help test this further. I ran from command line and when it
 dies it just stopping writing to stdout. Also, if I re-run it just sits
 and waits for stdout. I assume this is the acc. problem that you
 mentioned
 above.?

 Scott
 
 Yes I think so. It might as well be a bug in my code, but as other rotate 
 programs have the same problem (or build around it), this is not very
 likely. 
 It would help, if anyone could tell me how to avoid the bug by altering
 some 
 timeouts or how to predict the next death.
 I am currently trying if `cat /dev/input/event3` is also dying after a
 while, 
 however it has not stopped yet. Is there some information on this bug
 around? 
 I have not found anything in the bugtracker.
 
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Re: One more rotate version

2008-10-20 Thread DJDAS





Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto:

  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:33:20PM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
  
  
On 20.10.2008 at 12:00:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:


  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 01:37:33AM +0200, Fabian Henze wrote:
  
  
As it seems popular these days to publish a custom version of the rotate
program, I am also going to do it.

  
  heh, you could've just sent a patch :)
  

Then I would have to write in your style, which I am not used to :p

  
  
It would be easier than fixing the indent in order to join the patch and
have you as a co-author :)

I'm not prickly about any style, that's just my default and it's
manually done.

If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)

"man indent"? ;)




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Re: Subversion Clients/Servers

  Anyone compiled and running subversion server or even just a client on
 their Freerunners yet?

If you use the Debian distribution, then yes, and you can install it
with just apt-get install subversion.


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Launcher and window list

When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
a new application is just not right.

Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
I might have opened.


Stefan




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Re: One more rotate version

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote:
 If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
 another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
 man indent? ;)

I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I
just want it sufficiently consistent.

If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great.

Rui

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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? killing events/0

2008-10-20 Thread arne anka

 CPU time of a proc? I was thinking in something like 'cat /proc/5/...'

it's hard to believe there should be no python way to access procfs more  
generic (not to speak of other languages).
maybe
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2004-December/298171.html
helps?

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Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th

2008-10-20 Thread member kamituel

Hi!

Is NetFront really availavble on OpenMoko? I tried to find it, but
without any luck. Can somebody post
some link?

ah, and thanks for the newsletter :)
Kamil

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

2008-10-20 Thread Xavier Cremaschi

Michael Zanetti a écrit :
On Wednesday 15 October 2008 08:18:40 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Here you are [1]. It includes also the mwester fix for re-registering
network and my workaround for GSM firmware crash. I hope it won't have
any incompatibility with your installed Qtopia...

[1]
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libficgta01vendor-echo-cance
llation.so.tar.gz

Thanks for the lib. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to fix the echo issue
here...
Also the buzzing noise is still very loud...

Any suggestions?

For what I read in :
http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-noise-%22buzz%22-issue-tc675090.html
I think I can write 2 things :

Firstly : there is a difference between :
- echo cancellation (what we want)
- echo suppression (no transmission when no one talks)
Even if
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libficgta01vendor-echo-cancellation.so.tar.gz

ends with 'cancellation', are we sure we are talking about that ?
Some older posts in this thread mentioned 'echo suppression'...

Secondly : the buzzing noise is due to RF (radiofreq) parasites, and
seems to be a hardware problem (related to the jack, because plugging a
jack increases the noise a lot more).
As long as we do not have a software fix (like for GPS/SDcard) or a
hardware easy-to-do hack, maybe we should use a bluetooth earset because
it seems to be a valid solution, cf. last messages in mentioned thread.

Xavier.

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

2008-10-20 Thread Nishit Dave

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Marx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi
 I tried qtextended and I really like it. I even got WIFI working using only
 the GUI . And I have no problems with sound during calls.


Good. I do have the old problems - echo and buzzing.  There is no way to
optimize the levels.  The echo removal or suppression (?) patch recently
posted may or may not apply to qtextended, but it did certainly create new
problems for me, so I removed it.


 But there are also some problems. Mostly the same as Franky described.

 That is with using suspend? I charged the phone fully and turned the
 suspend
 off. After about 8 or 9 hours (I didn't do anything with the phone during
 that time, except one wake-up alarm) it said that the battery is extremely
 low.


The battery lasts *half of the time* overnight if you turn the alarm off
completely.  It is useless as it is now anyway.  However, at least once in
every three nights, the battery will mysteriously drain itself.





 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 
  - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore
 
 No problems, even without updating the alsa state file.


 You must be really lucky

My phone didn't wake up from suspend when a call came in. So I can't use the
 suspend. Is there any fix or workaround for this?


Mine does, so there could be differences in each user's experience.  I hope
you are using the latest version of 4.4.1 (2008/10/3 aka 2008/10/6).  I
think the un-updated version had solved the echo problem but the resume
problem persisted, and it got reversed with the update.



 And some more problems and questions:
 - If suspended, the wake-up alarm goes off too late (It seems the alarm
 starts as many minutes too late how many minutes before the expected alarm
 time I set it. So if i set the alarm at 12:00 to start at 12:05 then it
 actually starts 12:10 and if I set it at 12:00 to start at 12:30 then it
 starts 13:00 etc). If not suspended, it goes off at the right time.


Every time the phone's battery is drained, the clock resets itself to what
is probably GMT, but the timezone is static!  DO NOT rely on the
Freerunner's (QTX) alarm to work for anything that is important.  It only
rang once for me, and that too after nearly 12 hours, after a reboot.


 - The arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard don't work when using the
 Terminal application. So I can't go up in the bash history.
 - If a call arrives and I select Send busy tone it registers two missed
 calls.


Actually, about half of all calls received are registered twice.  New
messages result into multiplication of messages already received.



 - First it didn't show any of my SIM contacts. They appeared after I
 selected some other configuration from Server Widgets. And now they are
 still here, even after I switched back to Default QT Extended.


I can't see some of the new contacts I imported.  They had not been imported
the first time, but the latest import seemed to work till the phone got
switched off overnight.



 - As Franky said, after every call it plays a weird and loud sound. It's
 really annoying. What is it? And why? Can I disable it?


It is random.  On some days, it rings.  It doesn't on some days.  Pick your
choice.


 - Same problems with mp3 playback as Franky described.
 - So it's impossible to install any extra software? The default feed url
 (http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo) shows 404 and


It is not there yet.  Lorn has said it would be available soon, and I am
dying to see if it fixes the sound problem and offers some usable packages.


 http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo just doesn't show any
 packages
 in the package manager, although it shows them when viewing this url in a
 web browser.


Don't try those packages!


 - Can I manually add something in the Applications menu? For example a
 short
 cut to a bash script.
 - What video formats can the Media Player play? I tried ogg, xvid and 3gp -
 didn't play them.


None, as of now, I think.


 - It's impossible to delete a file using a GUI?


You need a file manager.  The only one available is in source code, and I
don't know if it compiles for Qtextended.


 - When editing notes using the Notes application it most times doesn't save
 the changes when clicking Back. But few times it did. I don't know what I
 did differently these times.


cf. comment about contacts.



 But otherwise it's quite good and I can (almost) use my Freerunner as an
 everyday phone.


My thoughts too! I am using it as an everyday phone in any case.
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Re: One more rotate version

2008-10-20 Thread Stroller


On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:37, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote:
 If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
 another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
 man indent? ;)

 I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I
 just want it sufficiently consistent.

 If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great.

indent -kr file.c

Stroller.


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Re: One more rotate version

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 05:35:11PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
 
 On 20 Oct 2008, at 15:37, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 
  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 04:31:21PM +0200, DJDAS wrote:
  If someone can cookup indent recipes for converting between one and
  another I'd gladly use it to facilitate integration :)
  man indent? ;)
 
  I don't care enough about indentation to spend time learning indent, I
  just want it sufficiently consistent.
 
  If someone who cares can cookup a recipe, great.
 
 indent -kr file.c

Thank you very much, I'll check it out tomorrow night (Portugal time).

Rui

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[Debian] Alternate install (image)?

2008-10-20 Thread Matthew Lane

Hey,

I've been posting about the installer script error I am getting and how 
I can't get the installer to work for Debian.  Does anyone have an image 
I could flash?  That would be great as I really want to try Debian on my 
phone.

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(OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

2008-10-20 Thread Paul


I put OM2008.9 in the flash this afternoon. It did not make me happy: it 
suffers from the same problem as when I run it from uSD: plugging in the 
USB when it's running makes the FR die.
I reflashed QTexended.

Would it be better to use OM2008.8 instead? Or does this suffer from the 
same problem?

I can live with most of the quirks of the FR, but this one is really 
annoying. I do not want to pull the battery out when I plug in the USB 
just because then the FR locks up and is really braindead.

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Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to the basics:improving user experience)

2008-10-20 Thread Denis Johnson

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ¿May I suggest the image being a virtualbox one instead of vmware? Virtualbox 
 is quite fast as well, and there are free (as in speech) versions available 
 for all major distros. Only problem is that the open source does not support 
 usb (but the commercial version is freely downloadable and does).

 Only free vmware nowadays are the player (no snapshots ability) and the 
 server (too heavyweight, based on tomcat + firefox plugin).

+1

I have been using VirtualBox to run a Ubuntu guest for over a year
now. Works very well, although I have not tried to connect neo
directly to this instance. I ssh to another laptop running ubuntu
natively to which I connect the FR.

cheers Denis

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DPI settings and font sizes


I love my FR's screen.  280dpi in full color is just awesome.
But there's a problem: X11 applications choose their font sizes either
as a predefined number of pixels or a predefined number of points.

The first leads to very small text when you have a 280dpi screen.
The second leads to very large text (because my FR's screen is much
closer to my eyes than a typical laptop/desktop monitor).

I'm using Xglamo under Debian and notice that at startup xdyinfo gives
a dpi setting of 75x75, which is obviously a default value.  This lead
to all fonts being too small.  So I changed it (to just 100dpi:
I actually like small fonts) by adding a -dpi 100 parameter to the
X server.

So this all works nicely, except that when I rotate the screen with
xrandr, the sizedpi is calculated based on the screen's own info and
gets set to 280dpi.

I've tried to use xrandr --dpi 100 as well as the --fbmm argument, but
it looks like Xglamo does not support version 1.2 of XRandR.
(I also tried to add a DisplaySize thingy in the xorg.conf file, but it
made no difference, I'm not even sure if that file is read by Xglamo).

For now, I just try to refrain from rotating the display, but I wish
I could get it work right.  Does anybody have an idea?


Stefan


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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

I really welcome the 'back to basics' focus by OM.

However, I'd echo what other people have said - for me, the 'basics', are
ensuring that the phone works as a phone.   My FR is sitting in my backpack,
with my SIM in another phone - I missed several calls and wasn't able to
make calls on several occasions because the FR got into a strange state and
refused to make or answer calls.   I missed other calls because the phone
was suspended and didn't wake up quickly enough for me to answer the call
before it went to voice mail.  Then I stopped suspending the phone, and
missed calls because my battery had died.

I would *love* to go back to using my FR as my phone - but I can't do it
until I'm confident that I'm not going to miss calls, and that I'll be able
to make calls when I need to.

For me, there are 2 'basics' that need to be met before addressing any other
issues:

1:  rock solid phone performance - making / receiving calls
2: enough battery life that I can make it through a working day without
having to plug in the FR - this can be either through increasing the battery
life, or by fixing suspend mode so that it's reliable and doesn't break #1.

Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain
turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will continue
to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please* give me
some ammunition to use against them!

Warren

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:47 AM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 Like Wolfgang said in
 http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html

 We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience.  Here
 is our todo list at the moment:

 * Reduce boot time.

 * Optimize the touch screen driver on freerunner for finger usage.

 * A generic python loader to enhance the start up time of python
  scripts.

 * Work with system team to improve suspend/resume user experience.


 I would like to ask the community:

 What do you want us to work on?


 The idea is

 * We improve the current stack, not creating new features.

 * Prefer stuffs which could be brought over to gta03 instead of
  gta02/om2008 specific.

 * won't work on om2007 stack.


 So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working!
 :)


 Regards,
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Johny Tenfinger

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain 
 turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will  continue 
 to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please* give me 
 some ammunition to use against them!

Use the 2007.2, Luke!

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Re: Partitionning separate /home/ floder to SD

2008-10-20 Thread Alastair Johnson

Vikas Saurabh wrote:
Flash has limited writes in its lifetime. That is why we have special
filesystems for flash [1],[2] (e.g. jffs2).

ext3 (due to its journalling) might not be good idea for Sd-card. I
think ext2 would fare fine except that it might be left with corrupted
FS in case improper shutdown but at least it would not impact the life
of the card.

For CF and probably also for SD this is a non-issue. Most, probably all,
implement write levelling in the card so special filesystems are not
needed. The number of write cycles before failure has increased
enormously too. More details here:
http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html

From a practical perspective we've been using CF cards with ext3 and
swap for several years now in server appliances, and they've been more
reliable than HDDs in similar situations over that period. Given the
restricted bandwidth of the glamo I won't even be able to hit the SD as
hard as these are every day, so I have no worries about the lifetime of
my SD cards. I will be very surprised if it fails before I decide to
upgrade it.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Iain B. Findleton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I did appear to observe that using ext3 on the uSD partitions
appears to be faster than using FAT file systems, however.

--VIkas

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flash_file_systems#Flash_memory_.2F_solid_state_media_file_systems

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_flash#Flash_file_systems

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ash_history

2008-10-20 Thread Maelvon HAWK

Hello,

om2008.9, ash, terminal

I've tried to add an HISTFILESIZE=500, export HISTFILESIZE, in to my
/etc/profile file and it doesn't seems to work. The .hash_history
file is ever at fifteen lines length ?

Maelvon


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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? killing events/0

 Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the FR.

If you use the Debian distribution, manpages are installed just as on
any other Debian system.


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Re: Pingus ported

2008-10-20 Thread Alasal


There is no way if the screen is already rotated. (read: I don't find a way
to figure out when the screen is already rotated). Please email me, if you
find one and I will directly adept it to the package.


Max Giesbert wrote:
 
 thx for the changes. so far it works great. only suggestion i would like
 to make is that you check if the screen is already rotated at startup.
 also bring it back to the same mode after exit.
 
 thx
 
 
 max
 
 Alasal schrieb:
 I've changed the package of Sander, So it rotates on start and it starts
 with
 the right screen resolution and more. For more information, look at
 http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/getting-pingus-on-your-neo-freerunner.html
 
 ps. The package may be used for inclusion on opkg. But I didn't do it,
 because some people want sound (What I doubt, because it's not playing
 well)
 and I've disabled it on my package. 
 
 
 Sander van Grieken wrote:
 Hi All,

 I'm glad to report that I've managed to port Pingus, the free lemmings
 clone, 
 for OE based distributions (it was already available on Debian).

 I have submitted the bitbake recipe and patches to Openembedded, but
 there's 
 no need to wait while these trickle down the various branches. I have
 created 
 the binaries for you.

 On both FSO and OM2008.8 you can install 

 http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk
 http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t.ipk

 Also libpng3 must be installed, but I haven't been able to get the
 dependency 
 right, so you'll need to do that manually.

 Note: for OM2008.8, you need to have the testing feeds to get recent
 enough 
 SDL packages.

 more information is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sander


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Re: [FSO-testing] Good news for 19/10/2008 image

2008-10-20 Thread yves mahe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Houray,

 I test the last FSO image and good things have been done :

- suspend/resume works.
 what do you mean by work?
 do you mean that you can suspend?
 or do you mean that when you suspend and you press the button again it
 comes back 100% of the time and that it doesn't misses calls(so 100% of
 the times it comes out of suspend when there is a call)
 Thanks in advance for your response.

I don't use yet my FR as my daily phone. I have done some tests 
yesterday with my SIM inside :
within 2 hours, FSO wakes up fine on 4 voice calls but not on 1 SMS. On 
1 voice call, due to a zhone bug I think, I was not able to answer 
because the screen was stuck on the suspend screen (keep pressed, let 
go, suspending, waking up)

Without SIM, FSO ALWAYS manually wakes up after manually suspend

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Yogiz

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:58:27 +0200
Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going
  to remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought
  iPhones will  continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on
  such a 'phone'.  *please* give me some ammunition to use against
  them!
 
 Use the 2007.2, Luke!
Or if it's phone you want, try out the new QTextended. You'll like it.

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

2008-10-20 Thread Yogiz

 Hello,
Hi

 I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
 (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
 cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
 mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
 :
 
 #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352
 
 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
 of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
 GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
 available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
 presumable release of GTA3?
As far as I know, they're software problems, not hardware and they're
pretty close to being fixed. On the latest QT extended I have pretty
stable call quality and no echo. My om2008.09 echoed at the beginning
but stopped after I upgraded to testing version. This was too unstable
for my liking however.

Yogiz

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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

2008-10-20 Thread Yogiz

Hi,

That has never happened with me. What kernel are you using?

 I put OM2008.9 in the flash this afternoon. It did not make me happy:
 it suffers from the same problem as when I run it from uSD: plugging
 in the USB when it's running makes the FR die.
 I reflashed QTexended.
 
 Would it be better to use OM2008.8 instead? Or does this suffer from
 the same problem?
 
 I can live with most of the quirks of the FR, but this one is really 
 annoying. I do not want to pull the battery out when I plug in the
 USB just because then the FR locks up and is really braindead.
 
 Paul
 

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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

2008-10-20 Thread Paul

Yogiz wrote:
 That has never happened with me. What kernel are you using?

I use these files:

Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin
Om2008.9.rootfs.jffs2

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

2008-10-20 Thread Fredrik Wendt

Hi. This is my first and hopefully only post in where I whine.


I love my FreeRunner - but it doesn't work as a phone reliably (I sure
don't want to miss my first daughter being born soon) and the progress
since July when I bought it is far from convincing ... FSO sure looks
good but it won't help that I can theoretically use the phone with any
UI and applications thinkable,

unless the hardware and it's basic functionality works.


My whining ends with:

* Can't call reliably
* GPS takes forever
* Accelerometer's interface 
* Bluetooth with a headset is far from working
* Playing ogg/mp3 that all my other phones does hogs the CPU
* usage patterns regarding power and battery - there's a LOT to wish for
* using speaker as a conference phone ... well do I need to

So what use cases is left that it can actually fulfill?

* A wonderful toy
* A wonderful playground for learning python
* A wonderful project (the commercial GPS product does show that it
*should* work)
* book stand

but I don't know what to do with it - it's almost useless in it's
current state.

My suggestion: Wait for GTA03. On the other hand - I do believe that
they will fix everything with the GTA02 and that the phone will be
really awesome. Perhaps the GTA03 will have the same mountain of issues
that the GTA02 version has revealed.

I have a fever (home from work) so perhaps that's pulling my mood down a
bit too - normally I'd just warn you with the last My suggestion
part. :)


HTH,

Fredrik

PS. If one would want to go with Qt Extended, the phone is much more
useful and complete regarding the software. But the hardware issues are
still the same. DS

mån 2008-10-20 klockan 16:19 +0200 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello,
 I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
 (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
 cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
 mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
 :
 
 #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352
 
 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
 of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
 GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
 available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
 presumable release of GTA3?
 If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some
 alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it
 could be usable?
 
 I ask because of this recent post:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview :
 Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware.
 
 thank you in advance
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auto-suspend with Debian


The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
automatically fall back asleep afterwards.

How can I make it auto-suspend?


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Re: Subversion Clients/Servers

2008-10-20 Thread SCarlson



 Understood. I'm trying to stick with the OM products though.

-Scott


Stefan Monnier wrote:
 
  Anyone compiled and running subversion server or even just a client on
 their Freerunners yet?
 
 If you use the Debian distribution, then yes, and you can install it
 with just apt-get install subversion.
 
 
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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

2008-10-20 Thread Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson

Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a 
couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and 
rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is 
crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even 
that is rare for me.

-Shawn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
 (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
 cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
 mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
 :

 #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352

 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
 of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
 GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
 available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
 presumable release of GTA3?
 If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some
 alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it
 could be usable?

 I ask because of this recent post:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview :
 Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware.

 thank you in advance
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Or if it's phone you want, try out the new QTextended. You'll like it.


I was using QTextended when I encountered the situations I described - it
still doesn't seem to provide solid phone capabilities - the phone got in a
mode where it wouldn't answer calls and I couldn't make outgoing calls.

 I agree that it's closer to provide a decent user experience, and the speed
seems a lot better - but I really need to be able to reliably make and
receive phone calls.

Warren
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Re: auto-suspend with Debian

2008-10-20 Thread Fox Mulder

You must configure zhone to do auto-suspend. Therefor you have to edit
the /etc/frameworkd.conf and change the suspend parameter. But this only
works while zhone is running. ;)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Stefan Monnier wrote:
 The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
 explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
 would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
 too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
 automatically fall back asleep afterwards.
 
 How can I make it auto-suspend?
 
 
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Re: auto-suspend with Debian

2008-10-20 Thread Joachim Breitner

Hi,

Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 15:00 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
 The Debian distribution doesn't seem to do auto-suspend: you have to
 explicily ask for it before your FR suspends.  At first I thought it
 would be OK, but in practice it doesn work: the device will wake up on
 too many occasions (e.g. when receiving a phone call) and won't
 automatically fall back asleep afterwards.
 
 How can I make it auto-suspend?

Does FSO auto-suspend? If so, since what version?

Generally, we try not to diverge too much from the FSO image, so if
there are problems with Debian that are also present in FSO, then they
probably ought to be tackled there first.

Greetings,
joachim 


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Re: Illume on Debian

2008-10-20 Thread Daniel Benoy

A snapshot seems to have been released on september 25th ^.^  (A week after the 
quoted message)

http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/

Has there been any progress toward packaging that up?

On Wednesday 17 September 2008 17:25:25 you wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Am Mittwoch, den 17.09.2008, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
  Is there any way I can help accelerate the process of getting illume
  on debian on my freerunner?  Like any sort of contribution they may
  need to help get the latest enlightenment going?
 
 Ask on the enlightenment mailing lists what help they need for pushing
 out a new snapshot – that’s what we are all waiting for.
 
  Alternatively, is there any workaround?  Preferably one that's not too
  hacky, like, for example, converting an opk to a deb?
 
 Hmm, likely not, as it needs features not present in the released
 versions of the enlightenment libs (or so I heared).
 
 Greetings,
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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

Frankly speaking I'm not sure anymore if the bugs are only software related.
As long as there is no image that has stable phoning capabilities I would
not advise anyone to buy one.
The hardware might be able to provide it in the future, but the unstable
software haven't proven itself yet.
Only if you really want to support OM / Free software by buying one (this is
one of my main reason for buying it) you could do that. For now my money is
a donation for the good cause and I still hope to get the best phone ever in
return.

So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03.
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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a
 couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and
 rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is
 crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even
 that is rare for me.


I'm actually quite surprised - are you always reliably able to make and
receive calls?   My experience has been similar to Fredrik Wendt's - when it
works, the audio quality is fine - but over a month or so of use as my daily
phone (mostly 2008.8/9 and a bit of QTExtended), I had many occurances where
I missed calls because the phone was too slow waking up, and I had at least
3 times when the phone got into a strange mode where I couldn't make
calls...

I had assumed that this was what everyone was experiencing - but maybe I
just got a bad unit...

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Re: Illume on Debian

2008-10-20 Thread Joachim Breitner

Hi,

Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 16:28 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
 On Wednesday 17 September 2008 17:25:25 you wrote:
  Hi,
  
  Am Mittwoch, den 17.09.2008, 17:13 -0400 schrieb Daniel Benoy:
   Is there any way I can help accelerate the process of getting illume
   on debian on my freerunner?  Like any sort of contribution they may
   need to help get the latest enlightenment going?
  
  Ask on the enlightenment mailing lists what help they need for pushing
  out a new snapshot – that’s what we are all waiting for.
  
   Alternatively, is there any workaround?  Preferably one that's not too
   hacky, like, for example, converting an opk to a deb?
  
  Hmm, likely not, as it needs features not present in the released
  versions of the enlightenment libs (or so I heared).

 A snapshot seems to have been released on september 25th ^.^  (A week
 after the quoted message)
 
 http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/
 
 Has there been any progress toward packaging that up?

Thanks for the pointer. The Debian enlightenment team has started to
packages these for Debian, and I heard that they will also package
Illume. See
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html 
for progress and further information.

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

2008-10-20 Thread Fredrik Wendt

mån 2008-10-20 klockan 21:36 +0100 skrev t m:

 So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03. 

How do you know that they'll not go through the same process with GTA03
that we've all been doing with GTA02? Wasn't GTA02 supposed to be the
stable version?

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

The problem with some of the comments on images, are people not using the
phone to the extend as others do. I need my phone, also for business
reasons. I receive and send sms messages and also phone during driving a car
and in crowded surroundings.
There are also people praising an image after a 2 hour testrun. I also
praised Qtopia 4.2 before someone started complaining about echo and missing
some sms messages and the phone went in coma once in a while.
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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner



  So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03.

 How do you know that they'll not go through the same process with GTA03
 that we've all been doing with GTA02? Wasn't GTA02 supposed to be the
 stable version?


You're right. I should have said something else. If you want to play it safe
wait for a fully working image on GTA02 (or GTA03)
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Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to thebasics:improving user experience)

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:11 +1000, Denis Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ¿May I suggest the image being a virtualbox one instead of vmware?
 Virtualbox is quite fast as well, and there are free (as in speech)
 versions available for all major distros. Only problem is that the open
 source does not support usb (but the commercial version is freely
 downloadable and does).

 Only free vmware nowadays are the player (no snapshots ability) and the
 server (too heavyweight, based on tomcat + firefox plugin).
 
 +1
 
 I have been using VirtualBox to run a Ubuntu guest for over a year
 now. Works very well, although I have not tried to connect neo
 directly to this instance. I ssh to another laptop running ubuntu
 natively to which I connect the FR.
 
 cheers Denis

I've not used VirtualBox before, will have to take a look at it.  I need to
work through the assembly once more anyway to document it better.

In the meantime I'll see about cleaning up a bit and figuring out how to
package the vmware image up as an appliance.  (I'm using the free vmware
server, BTW, running under Ubuntu Hardy)

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Re: (OM2008.9) Flashback to QTextended

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:26:05 +0200, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I put OM2008.9 in the flash this afternoon. It did not make me happy: it
 suffers from the same problem as when I run it from uSD: plugging in the
 USB when it's running makes the FR die.
 I reflashed QTexended.
 
 Would it be better to use OM2008.8 instead? Or does this suffer from the
 same problem?
 
 I can live with most of the quirks of the FR, but this one is really
 annoying. I do not want to pull the battery out when I plug in the USB
 just because then the FR locks up and is really braindead.

OM2008.9 is just a snapshot during the evolution of 2008.8 toward today,
taken at the time of it's release.  if you install 2008.8 or 2008.9 and do
opkg upgrade you should end up at precisely the same place.

That said, have you tried the most recent 2008.x snapshot?  It's basically
2008.8 (or 2008.9 ;) 'opkg upgrade'd  through sometime last night.  
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/

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Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:53:32 +0300, Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 Hi
 
 I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian
 (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary
 cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs,
 mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality
 :

 #  Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267
 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352

 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision
 of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in
 GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be
 available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding
 presumable release of GTA3?
 As far as I know, they're software problems, not hardware and they're
 pretty close to being fixed. On the latest QT extended I have pretty
 stable call quality and no echo. My om2008.09 echoed at the beginning
 but stopped after I upgraded to testing version. This was too unstable
 for my liking however.
 
 Yogiz

Sorry but I wanted to offer corrections: The buzzing is definitely a
hardware issue,
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000415.html)
though it affects different units on different frequencies and different
carriers differently.  (I rarely am affected, never severely, on 1900mhz US
T-Mobile in NC - travelling rural areas daily and rarely have buzz even
when signal fades to zero)) 

The echo problem's solution is a band-aid of sorts, turning on
undocumented echo suppression in the GSM chip to reduce the effect
dramatically (especially on cell to cell calls where the latency is more
obvious), but that's a partial correction of the effect, not the cause. 
The 'fix' unfortunately is not an onboard DSP with echo cancellation, just
a suppression feature that mutes the audio from phone to carrier when
you're not talking - like a half-duplex speakerphone cutting off the mic so
you can hear, except it cuts off the mike so the other party /can't/ hear.

That said, with the present suppression fix in place the call quality is
perfectly acceptable for me.  (The only low-level 'bug' I'm currently
bothered with is the GSM re-registration bug apparently in some GSM
firmwares, again addressed by a 'band-aid' undocumented AT command to
prevent deep sleep powersave on the GSM chip if afflicted)

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Re: Subversion Clients/Servers

2008-10-20 Thread Nicola Mfb

2008/10/20 SCarlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  Understood. I'm trying to stick with the OM products though.

 -Scott


Some weeks ago I was able to compile subversion with OE but i deleted my
tree and now it fails. Try asking on OE mailing-lists or irc channel and
report please!

Regards

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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested
that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you
wanted a stable phone experience.

Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience?

Warren

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to
 remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will 
 continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'.  *please*
 give me some ammunition to use against them!

 Use the 2007.2, Luke!

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French Community / Communauté Francophone

2008-10-20 Thread swap38

(sorry for my poor english, french version below)

//
Hi,

As you may have noticed already, a francophone community is rapidly 
growing on the *http://openmoko-fr.org* site which has been in existence 
for only three months now.
The site now contains a news blog (relayed on the Planet), a forum with 
180 members and over 2000 posts, a wiki with over 60 pages, and an IRC 
channel (#openmoko-fr on freenode).

Our goal is to speak in French about the Openmoko project to a wider 
audience (developpers or not) and allow everyone to contribute at own level.
If you are looking for more information and feedback in French, or if 
you want to share yours, feel free to participate. You're more than welcome!

//
Bonjour,

Comme vous l'avez peut-être déjà remarqué, une communauté francophone 
est en train de se fédérer autour du site

http://openmoko-fr.org

Ce site existe depuis seulement 3 mois mais contient déjà un blog 
d'informations (relayé sur le Planet), un forum (180 membres, plus de 
2000 messages) un wiki (plus de 60 pages) et un canal IRC (#openmoko-fr 
sur freenode).

Notre objectif est de s'adresser à un large public (développeurs ou non) 
pour promouvoir le projet Openmoko en français et permettre à chacun de 
contribuer à son niveau.
Si vous cherchez des informations et retours d'expériences en français 
ou si au contraire vous souhaitez partager les vôtres, n'hésitez pas 
participer vous êtes les bienvenus !

-- 
Swap38
Webmaster de http://openmoko-fr.org
La communauté francophone sur Openmoko


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usermeeting in Grenoble (France) next friday

2008-10-20 Thread swap38

Hi,

If you want to talk about Openmoko with funny guys (and with a nice 
strokeFreerunner/stroke BEER in your hand) take a look at this :
http://openmoko-fr.org/wiki/index.php/2008-10-24_:_Grenoble
Remember : next friday, 19:00 :)

See you soon,

swap38

PS : faut-il traduire en français ? Allez voir le site et notez bien : 
vendredi 24 à 19h ;)


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Re: Launcher and window list

2008-10-20 Thread joakim

Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
 the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
 screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
 the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
 to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
 a new application is just not right.

 Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
 kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
 at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
 directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
 applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
 I might have opened.

Maybe you could try installing Debian?  The install takes some time but
is mostly rather smooth. You would need to buy a larger sd card, but
they are very cheap nowadays.



 Stefan
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread shawn sullivan

Paul wrote:
   I agree. Having a solid functional phone is the prime objective.
 Paul
 

I second this. Right now, I am frustrated because I miss probably half 
my calls because the phone freezes coming out of suspend.
. . . shawn

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Re: Launcher and window list

 When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
 the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
 screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
 the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
 to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
 a new application is just not right.
 
 Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
 kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
 at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
 directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
 applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
 I might have opened.

 Maybe you could try installing Debian?  The install takes some time but
 is mostly rather smooth. You would need to buy a larger sd card, but
 they are very cheap nowadays.

I do have it installed, but the problem is the same:  the best I've
found so far is something like fbpanel, where it shows the window-list
as well as a bunch of application launcher icons.  But it only works
with a stylus.  I'd need something with much larger icons, that takes
the whole screen.


Stefan



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Re: [Om2008.9] man pages??? killing events/0

2008-10-20 Thread Sarton O'Brien

On Monday 20 October 2008 18:57:21 Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Monday, October 20, 2008 a las 06:45:26PM +1100, Alex Osborne 
escribió:
  Well of course it's going to be different on FreeBSD -- different kernel
  -- but the location of the CPU time in /proc is going to be the same as
  any other system running the Linux kernel (well at least any that's not
  completely ancient anyway).  So the simplest option, as I was suggesting
  is just to consult the proc manpage on any random Linux PC and if you
  don't have a Linux box handy then Google it, as people have put most of
  the man pages online.
 
   for example where is the man page
   of 'dropbear'?
 
  http://www.google.com/search?q=dropbear+manpage
 
  First result:
 
  http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/nico/man/man8/dropbear.8.html
 
  ;-)

 I thing Linux/UNIX goes the wrong way if we depend on Google to lookup
 man pages;

Errr ... I've seen plenty of windows programs that don't come with 
documentation or relatively useless documention. Can't say the help facility 
is all that helpful either.

You were asking for documentation for _technically_ a 3rd party program 
included on an embedded system. It makes sense to consult the website of the 
software or (heaven forbid) search for the man page. Last resort would be to 
install/extract the software on a system where you can read the documentation, 
which seems to be your preferred option.

I don't think the suggestion was google is our documentation but merely 
that, if you bothered to search, you wouldn't have to bother us to search for 
you.

  Seriously though, if you must have the absolute exact same version for
  some reason and don't have a Linux box, just grab the source tarball:
 
  wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
  tar -jxvf dropbear-0.51.tar.bz2
  cd dropbear-0.51
  man ./dropbear.8

 Now we're getting closer; thanks for the hint; maybe it would be a good
 idea if we have *all* man pages installed at
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/
 or even as a fetch-able tar ball; in KDE you can just put 'man:ssh' into
 the KDE's browser Konqueror and you get what you want;

Fair enough, but it's like expecting microsoft to host all the documentation 
for all the apps that you could _possibly_ install on their OS. As nice as 
that might be, it's not exactly realistic.

Nearly any decent linux distro project has htmlised their man pages and from 
experience, reinventing the wheel can only ever have 'so much' benefit.

The definitive place for any documentation will always be the source. Anything 
else could quite possibly be outdated. Possibly automated links to the 
official software source files/homepages would be more appropriate.

The kernel itself is a different matter but once again, plenty of wheels are 
out there.

  Usually manpages aren't installed on embedded systems in the interests
  of saving space.

 Of course and I was not expecting the man pages installed on the
 FR.

So searching the wiki and searching google are not akin? There seems to be a 
location dependency going on with your logic, I would have thought search 
relevance was what was important here and how quickly you can obtain the 
information you require.

Seriously, this is the situation with embedded systems and I doubt any project 
can warrant the time for maintaining a man digest vs development. It's really 
not as much of an issue as you make it appear.

Sarton

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Re: Launcher and window list

2008-10-20 Thread Robin Paulson

2008/10/21 Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 When using Om2008.9, I keep getting annoyed at the distinction between
 the list of open windows (available by clicking at the top of the
 screen) and the list of applications that I can launch: most of the time
 the list of windows is a subset of the list of applications and having
 to first get the window list, then press Home to finally get to start
 a new application is just not right.

 Is there somewhere some integrated application-launcher/window-manager,
 kind of like Mac OS X's dock?  I'd really like to be able to just click
 at the top of the screen (or the AUX button, maybe) and be brought
 directly to an application launcher, which indicates which of those
 applications are already running, and also includes extra windows
 I might have opened.

this was announced a few days ago in a mail here - sounds like what you're after

http://aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch

it's written for debian, but i'm sure it could be ported to om2008

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Re: French Community / Communauté Francophone

2008-10-20 Thread Guillaume Chereau

Good job, the web site is very nice !
Hope I can see you guys when I come to France. Oui oui je suis
Français !

Charlie

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 00:49 +0200, swap38 wrote:
 (sorry for my poor english, french version below)
 
 //
 Hi,
 
 As you may have noticed already, a francophone community is rapidly 
 growing on the *http://openmoko-fr.org* site which has been in existence 
 for only three months now.
 The site now contains a news blog (relayed on the Planet), a forum with 
 180 members and over 2000 posts, a wiki with over 60 pages, and an IRC 
 channel (#openmoko-fr on freenode).
 
 Our goal is to speak in French about the Openmoko project to a wider 
 audience (developpers or not) and allow everyone to contribute at own level.
 If you are looking for more information and feedback in French, or if 
 you want to share yours, feel free to participate. You're more than welcome!
 
 //
 Bonjour,
 
 Comme vous l'avez peut-être déjà remarqué, une communauté francophone 
 est en train de se fédérer autour du site
 
 http://openmoko-fr.org
 
 Ce site existe depuis seulement 3 mois mais contient déjà un blog 
 d'informations (relayé sur le Planet), un forum (180 membres, plus de 
 2000 messages) un wiki (plus de 60 pages) et un canal IRC (#openmoko-fr 
 sur freenode).
 
 Notre objectif est de s'adresser à un large public (développeurs ou non) 
 pour promouvoir le projet Openmoko en français et permettre à chacun de 
 contribuer à son niveau.
 Si vous cherchez des informations et retours d'expériences en français 
 ou si au contraire vous souhaitez partager les vôtres, n'hésitez pas 
 participer vous êtes les bienvenus !
 


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Re: Pingus ported

 There is no way if the screen is already rotated. (read: I don't find a way
 to figure out when the screen is already rotated). Please email me, if you
 find one and I will directly adept it to the package.

In my tests, I noticed that the output of `xrandr' moves the little star
when I switch from portrait to landscape and back:

   ~# xrandr
   Screen 0: minimum 240 x 240, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 640
   default connected 480x640+0+0 left (normal left inverted right x axis y 
axis) 0mm x 0mm
  480x64050.0  
  640x48025.0* 
  240x32050.0  
  320x24050.0  
   ~# xrandr
   Screen 0: minimum 240 x 240, current 480 x 640, maximum 640 x 640
   default connected 480x640+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm 
x 0mm
  480x64050.0* 
  640x48025.0  
  240x32050.0  
  320x24050.0  
   ~# 

This also seems to indicate that the refresh frequency is different
between the two, which may mean that the poweruse is different in
landscape and portrait mode.


Stefan


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Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?