Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, January 13, 2009 a las 02:38:45PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors 
escribió:

> Matthias Apitz  writes:
> > only; perhaps there are more o complexer situations cuasing that problem :-(
> 
> In any case, try compiling linux from andy-tracking branch.

Until now I have only compiled kernels and apps in FreeBSD or Linux on x86
and I've no experience how to compile and build a kernel for Om2008.x on armv4;

Is the Wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide
the point to start from to create my own Om2008.x kernel and userland or
some other/better places to start? Thx

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Re: Community update

[Christ van Willegen]

Minh,

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong  wrote:
> 6. Tips and tricks
>
>* Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme.

I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me
to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'.

So, I did 'mv asu /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked
my default_profile file.

Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for me?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: stupid networking question

[Fielder George Dowding]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Peter Nijs  wrote:
> Sadly, this doesn't work on my suse (/etc/sysconfig/...) based system.
>
> depeje
>
> On Thursday 08 January 2009 12:58:09 Thomas Otterbein wrote:
>> FYI:
>>
>> On my kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE installed by default) using the KDE
>> NetworkManager I followed the advices on
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>>
>> but insereted "auto usb0" into /etc/network/interfaces as suggested by
>> arne. It looks now like that:
>>
>>   auto lo
>>   iface lo inet loopback
>>
>>   # freerunner
>>   auto usb0
>>   allow-hotplug usb0
>>   iface usb0 inet static
>>   address 192.168.0.200
>>   netmask 255.255.255.192
>>   post-up /etc/network/freerunner start
>>   pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop
>>
>> After a reboot (NetworkManager did not want to play well i.e. did not adopt
>> to the changes) I get "Device usb0: unmanaged" and everything works as
>> expected: My FR get's configured by /etc/network/freerunner and my
>> (W)LAN-connections a correctly handled by NetworkManager.
>>
>> I guess this solution solves the issue for Ubuntu and all it's derivates
>> too. Probably for all KDE-Installations as it seems that the key is to make
>> the NetworkManager ignore the usb0-Interface.
>>
>> Regards
>>   thomas
>>

Greetings!

I have Debian "lenny" on a 686 and for the record, I do use the KDE
for my window manager. I doubt KDE has any effect on the kernel level
networking. That said, I am open to learning.

I put this stanza in my /etc/network/interfaces file, to wit:

allow-hotplug usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.200
netmask 255.255.255.0

I did not include the "auto usb0" because I don't always have my
FreeRunner (gta02, Date Code: 20070731) connected via the USB cable.
Now, then, when I boot the desktop box, arno-iptables-firewall
complains about usb0 not being there yet. Then, when I do boot my
FreeRunner and connect the USB cable, I find I have an interface with
the appropriate address automatically setup for me. Here is the output
of a series of commands, before and after connecting:

BEFORE:

f...@irad:~$ ip link show
1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:11:11:36:c9:b8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff


f...@irad:~$ ip addr show
1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:11:11:36:c9:b8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.35.11/24 brd 192.168.35.255 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::211:11ff:fe36:c9b8/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

AFTER:

f...@irad:~$ ip link show
1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:11:11:36:c9:b8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether fa:b5:c2:e2:09:ea brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

f...@irad:~$ ip addr show
1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UP qlen 1000
link/ether 00:11:11:36:c9:b8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.35.11/24 brd 192.168.35.255 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::211:11ff:fe36:c9b8/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: usb0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether fa:b5:c2:e2:09:ea brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.0.200/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global usb0
inet6 fe80::f8b5:c2ff:fee2:9ea/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

I use arno-iptables-firewall to set up my firewall and nat routing
from the usb0 interface through my regular eth0 connection to my local
router and Internet connection. I am delighted that this hotplug
thingy works.

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Re: Multiple internet connections

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:48:18 -0800, Sargun Dhillon
 wrote:
> So, this is probably  better for the support list, but, what you're
> talking about is possible.
> Also, university is useless, getting yourself kicked out may actually be
> useful.
> Howto:
> Create two routing tables
> echo "20 gprs" >> /etc/iproute2/rt_tables
> 
> ip route add default via $PPP_ENDPOINT dev ppp0 table gprs
> ip rule add from $PPPADDRESS lookup gprs
> 
> then keep the other routing table in place, you can manipulate that
> without knocking out your PPP connectivity.


Caveat:  You can't accomplish this with the busybox-as-'ip'-replacement
used by default on the FR, you need the complete iproute2 version. 
(busybox version doesn't support 'table' or 'rule')   I've not noticed if
it's made it into a feed yet, I always install
http://newkirk.us/om/iproute2_2.6.26_armv4t.ipk which I built a few months
ago and keep at the 'FR stuff' link in my sig.

j

 
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Al Johnson
>  wrote:
>> On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>> Is it possible to use multiple internet connections on Freerunner at
>>> the same time?
>>
>> There are several possible ways depending on circumstances. Bridges,
> routes or
>> iptables rules could all do this to some degree. Now would be a good
> time to
>> start reading linux networking howtos and documentation.
>>
>>> Say I want to use ssh via GPRS, and all other programs via WLAN or
>>> usb. Is it possible?
>>
>> I think it could be done with packet marking and some interesting
> iptables
>> rules. If you know what ports the app uses then it would be easier. You
>> probably don't really want to do this though.
>>
>>> Real life example - in my university we have very good unlimited WiFi,
>>> actually 2 of them. In my dormitory room I have connection limited by
>>> proxy (no torrent :().
>>> What I want to do is to leave my FR at school at some place safe,
>>> connect it to wall charger, insert 4GB memory card in it, and turn on
>>> gprs connection.
>>> Then I would go home, log in to my phone via GPRS, then connect to
>>> WIFI and start downloading some stuff via torrent on my memory card.
>>> Neat :D
>>
>> If you know your home IP address, or address range, you can set the
> default
>> route to be via wifi, but the route to that address or range to be via
> GPRS.
>> There is a problem though; with the telcos in the UK the GPRS connection
> is
>> usually on NAT, so you can't actually ssh into the phone over GPRS. You
> could
>> probably get the phone to initiate an openvpn connection to your home
> and
>> keep the connection open though, and you could then ssh in over the VPN.
> Or
>> you could make a standard modem-style GSM data call to the phone and use
>> screen to keep your session running when you end the data call.
>>
>> BTW this would probably violate several points of your university
> acceptable
>> use policy, and in some places would be enough to get you kicked out.
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Re: Multiple internet connections

[Sargun Dhillon]

So, this is probably  better for the support list, but, what you're
talking about is possible.
Also, university is useless, getting yourself kicked out may actually be useful.
Howto:
Create two routing tables
echo "20 gprs" >> /etc/iproute2/rt_tables

ip route add default via $PPP_ENDPOINT dev ppp0 table gprs
ip rule add from $PPPADDRESS lookup gprs

then keep the other routing table in place, you can manipulate that
without knocking out your PPP connectivity.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Al Johnson
 wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote:
>> Hello!
>> Is it possible to use multiple internet connections on Freerunner at
>> the same time?
>
> There are several possible ways depending on circumstances. Bridges, routes or
> iptables rules could all do this to some degree. Now would be a good time to
> start reading linux networking howtos and documentation.
>
>> Say I want to use ssh via GPRS, and all other programs via WLAN or
>> usb. Is it possible?
>
> I think it could be done with packet marking and some interesting iptables
> rules. If you know what ports the app uses then it would be easier. You
> probably don't really want to do this though.
>
>> Real life example - in my university we have very good unlimited WiFi,
>> actually 2 of them. In my dormitory room I have connection limited by
>> proxy (no torrent :().
>> What I want to do is to leave my FR at school at some place safe,
>> connect it to wall charger, insert 4GB memory card in it, and turn on
>> gprs connection.
>> Then I would go home, log in to my phone via GPRS, then connect to
>> WIFI and start downloading some stuff via torrent on my memory card.
>> Neat :D
>
> If you know your home IP address, or address range, you can set the default
> route to be via wifi, but the route to that address or range to be via GPRS.
> There is a problem though; with the telcos in the UK the GPRS connection is
> usually on NAT, so you can't actually ssh into the phone over GPRS. You could
> probably get the phone to initiate an openvpn connection to your home and
> keep the connection open though, and you could then ssh in over the VPN. Or
> you could make a standard modem-style GSM data call to the phone and use
> screen to keep your session running when you end the data call.
>
> BTW this would probably violate several points of your university acceptable
> use policy, and in some places would be enough to get you kicked out.
>
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Re: Multiple internet connections

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote:
> Hello!
> Is it possible to use multiple internet connections on Freerunner at
> the same time?

There are several possible ways depending on circumstances. Bridges, routes or 
iptables rules could all do this to some degree. Now would be a good time to 
start reading linux networking howtos and documentation.

> Say I want to use ssh via GPRS, and all other programs via WLAN or
> usb. Is it possible?

I think it could be done with packet marking and some interesting iptables 
rules. If you know what ports the app uses then it would be easier. You 
probably don't really want to do this though.

> Real life example - in my university we have very good unlimited WiFi,
> actually 2 of them. In my dormitory room I have connection limited by
> proxy (no torrent :().
> What I want to do is to leave my FR at school at some place safe,
> connect it to wall charger, insert 4GB memory card in it, and turn on
> gprs connection.
> Then I would go home, log in to my phone via GPRS, then connect to
> WIFI and start downloading some stuff via torrent on my memory card.
> Neat :D

If you know your home IP address, or address range, you can set the default 
route to be via wifi, but the route to that address or range to be via GPRS. 
There is a problem though; with the telcos in the UK the GPRS connection is 
usually on NAT, so you can't actually ssh into the phone over GPRS. You could 
probably get the phone to initiate an openvpn connection to your home and 
keep the connection open though, and you could then ssh in over the VPN. Or 
you could make a standard modem-style GSM data call to the phone and use 
screen to keep your session running when you end the data call.

BTW this would probably violate several points of your university acceptable 
use policy, and in some places would be enough to get you kicked out.

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Re: wmiconfig compile?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Do you run make in the host/tools/wmiconfig directory and did you checkout the 
whole thing?


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Multiple internet connections

[Leonti Bielski]

Hello!
Is it possible to use multiple internet connections on Freerunner at
the same time?
Say I want to use ssh via GPRS, and all other programs via WLAN or
usb. Is it possible?

Real life example - in my university we have very good unlimited WiFi,
actually 2 of them. In my dormitory room I have connection limited by
proxy (no torrent :().
What I want to do is to leave my FR at school at some place safe,
connect it to wall charger, insert 4GB memory card in it, and turn on
gprs connection.
Then I would go home, log in to my phone via GPRS, then connect to
WIFI and start downloading some stuff via torrent on my memory card.
Neat :D

Leonti

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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Michael Sheldon]

You're unlikely to get a fix indoors, you might be able to get one 
pressed up against a window, but for best results you should be outside.

Fernando Martins wrote:
> No luck:
> 
> - I've setup date and timezone;
> - GPS is on, per /sys/class... incantation
> - demon fso-gpsd is on, checked with ps
> - telnet comunicates with gpsd but no good data
> - tangoGPS doesn't find GPS device
> 
> I have no idea of the reception capabilities of om (or GPS devices in 
> general): is it supposed to work indoors?
> 
> Any further suggestions?
> 
> Thanks for all the help so far,
> Fernando
> 
> Michael Sheldon wrote:
>> You don't need to power on the GPS device yourself, FSO will handle this 
>> for you when a client requests the GPS resource (and then power it down 
>> again when there are no longer any clients using it). You'll get empty 
>> data until the device acquires a fix.
>>
>>   From what I've read elsewhere it seems important to make sure that 
>> your time-zone settings and date/time are correct, as it seems FSO uses 
>> these when getting a fix.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Mike.
>>
>> Fernando Martins wrote:
>>   
>>> ok, it's the first time I'm looking into this GPS stuff.
>>>
>>> Following the suggestion from Timo in another post, I do a
>>>
>>> cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
>>>
>>> (which is different from his 
>>> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron,
>>>  
>>> but that's what I found)
>>>
>>> and that gives me 0. A echoed a 1 to it, but it's the first time a learn 
>>> about sysfs and I'm not sure this way of setting configuration really works.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I telneted then to the port but I'm not really familiar with 
>>> these GPS codes. This seems to be NEMEA data and a quick reading tells 
>>> me that $GPRMC should give me my coordinates but I'm getting empty stuff
>>>
>>> $GPRMC,,V,,*31
>>>
>>> so something with the device is not working. Also, TangoGPS tells me "no 
>>> GPS found".
>>>
>>> Any further suggestions from here?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>> Michael Sheldon wrote:
>>> 
 You can test fso-gpsd by running "telnet localhost 2947" then typing "r" 
 and pressing return. You should the receive GPS data.

 Cheers,
   Mike.

 Fernando Martins wrote:
   
   
> Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd (that's what's 
> on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now that it is 
> being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure out how to 
> check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.
>
> Thomas des Courières wrote:
> 
> 
>> did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?
>>
>> 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors > >
>>
>> Fernando Martins > > writes:
>> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>>
>> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
>> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
>> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

No luck:

- I've setup date and timezone;
- GPS is on, per /sys/class... incantation
- demon fso-gpsd is on, checked with ps
- telnet comunicates with gpsd but no good data
- tangoGPS doesn't find GPS device

I have no idea of the reception capabilities of om (or GPS devices in 
general): is it supposed to work indoors?

Any further suggestions?

Thanks for all the help so far,
Fernando

Michael Sheldon wrote:
> You don't need to power on the GPS device yourself, FSO will handle this 
> for you when a client requests the GPS resource (and then power it down 
> again when there are no longer any clients using it). You'll get empty 
> data until the device acquires a fix.
>
>   From what I've read elsewhere it seems important to make sure that 
> your time-zone settings and date/time are correct, as it seems FSO uses 
> these when getting a fix.
>
> Cheers,
>   Mike.
>
> Fernando Martins wrote:
>   
>> ok, it's the first time I'm looking into this GPS stuff.
>>
>> Following the suggestion from Timo in another post, I do a
>>
>> cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
>>
>> (which is different from his 
>> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron,
>>  
>> but that's what I found)
>>
>> and that gives me 0. A echoed a 1 to it, but it's the first time a learn 
>> about sysfs and I'm not sure this way of setting configuration really works.
>>
>> Anyway, I telneted then to the port but I'm not really familiar with 
>> these GPS codes. This seems to be NEMEA data and a quick reading tells 
>> me that $GPRMC should give me my coordinates but I'm getting empty stuff
>>
>> $GPRMC,,V,,*31
>>
>> so something with the device is not working. Also, TangoGPS tells me "no 
>> GPS found".
>>
>> Any further suggestions from here?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Fernando
>>
>> Michael Sheldon wrote:
>> 
>>> You can test fso-gpsd by running "telnet localhost 2947" then typing "r" 
>>> and pressing return. You should the receive GPS data.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>   Mike.
>>>
>>> Fernando Martins wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd (that's what's 
 on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now that it is 
 being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure out how to 
 check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.

 Thomas des Courières wrote:
 
 
> did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?
>
> 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors  >
>
> Fernando Martins  > writes:
> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>
> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

[Dale Maggee]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

john dowd wrote:
> I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
> not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:
> 
> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
> Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
> Claiming USB DFU Interface...
> Setting Alternate Setting ...
> Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
> dfuERROR, clearing status
> Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
> dfuIDLE, continuing
> Transfer Size = 0x1000
> dfu_upload error -84
> 
> This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
> Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?
> 
> Cheers!!
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NeoTool will backup your root partition to a flashable jffs2 without
using dfu-util"

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

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Re: turning wifi off

[jidanni]

MT(> BTW the 2.6.28 kernel should have also another way to disable the wlan
BTW not all components can be turned off:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-December/007317.html :
> Yes the AR6001 is wired up so it has the "always on" 3.3V power

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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Michael Sheldon]

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Telnet'ed to what port? The gpsd port 2947 should not return NMEA but
> just reply to one-letter commands:

The 'r' command switches fso-gpsd to raw mode, so it'll give a constant 
stream of NMEA data as it receives it from ogpsd.

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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Fernando Martins  writes:
> about sysfs and I'm not sure this way of setting configuration really works.

Yes it works just like that.

> Anyway, I telneted then to the port but I'm not really familiar with 

Telnet'ed to what port? The gpsd port 2947 should not return NMEA but
just reply to one-letter commands:

li...@ginger:~$ netcat localhost gpsd
p
GPSD,P=?
d
GPSD,D=?

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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Michael Sheldon]

You don't need to power on the GPS device yourself, FSO will handle this 
for you when a client requests the GPS resource (and then power it down 
again when there are no longer any clients using it). You'll get empty 
data until the device acquires a fix.

  From what I've read elsewhere it seems important to make sure that 
your time-zone settings and date/time are correct, as it seems FSO uses 
these when getting a fix.

Cheers,
  Mike.

Fernando Martins wrote:
> ok, it's the first time I'm looking into this GPS stuff.
> 
> Following the suggestion from Timo in another post, I do a
> 
> cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
> 
> (which is different from his 
> /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron, 
> but that's what I found)
> 
> and that gives me 0. A echoed a 1 to it, but it's the first time a learn 
> about sysfs and I'm not sure this way of setting configuration really works.
> 
> Anyway, I telneted then to the port but I'm not really familiar with 
> these GPS codes. This seems to be NEMEA data and a quick reading tells 
> me that $GPRMC should give me my coordinates but I'm getting empty stuff
> 
> $GPRMC,,V,,*31
> 
> so something with the device is not working. Also, TangoGPS tells me "no 
> GPS found".
> 
> Any further suggestions from here?
> 
> Regards,
> Fernando
> 
> Michael Sheldon wrote:
>> You can test fso-gpsd by running "telnet localhost 2947" then typing "r" 
>> and pressing return. You should the receive GPS data.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Mike.
>>
>> Fernando Martins wrote:
>>   
>>> Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd (that's what's 
>>> on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now that it is 
>>> being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure out how to 
>>> check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.
>>>
>>> Thomas des Courières wrote:
>>> 
 did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?

 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors >>> >

 Fernando Martins >>> > writes:
 > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?

 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
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wmiconfig compile?

[Samuel Pereira]

Hi,

I want to compile wmiconfig...

What packages i need ?


arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -Wall -DUSER_KEYS -g -I../../include 
-I../../../include -I../../wlan/include -I../../os/linux/include 
wmiconfig.c -o wmiconfig

wmiconfig.c:22:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:23:22: error: sys/file.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:24:23: error: sys/ioctl.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:25:24: error: sys/socket.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:26:25: error: linux/types.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:27:22: error: linux/if.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:28:28: error: linux/wireless.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:30:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:31:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:32:20: error: string.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:33:20: error: getopt.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:35:22: error: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:36:19: error: fcntl.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:37:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:38:17: error: err.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:40:22: error: a_config.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:41:21: error: a_osapi.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:42:21: error: athdefs.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:43:21: error: a_types.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:44:26: error: athdrv_linux.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:45:23: error: ieee80211.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:46:29: error: ieee80211_ioctl.h: No such file or directory
wmiconfig.c:47:17: error: wmi.h: No such file or directory




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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

ok, it's the first time I'm looking into this GPS stuff.

Following the suggestion from Timo in another post, I do a

cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron

(which is different from his 
/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron, 
but that's what I found)

and that gives me 0. A echoed a 1 to it, but it's the first time a learn 
about sysfs and I'm not sure this way of setting configuration really works.

Anyway, I telneted then to the port but I'm not really familiar with 
these GPS codes. This seems to be NEMEA data and a quick reading tells 
me that $GPRMC should give me my coordinates but I'm getting empty stuff

$GPRMC,,V,,*31

so something with the device is not working. Also, TangoGPS tells me "no 
GPS found".

Any further suggestions from here?

Regards,
Fernando

Michael Sheldon wrote:
> You can test fso-gpsd by running "telnet localhost 2947" then typing "r" 
> and pressing return. You should the receive GPS data.
>
> Cheers,
>   Mike.
>
> Fernando Martins wrote:
>   
>> Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd (that's what's 
>> on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now that it is 
>> being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure out how to 
>> check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.
>>
>> Thomas des Courières wrote:
>> 
>>> did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?
>>>
>>> 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors >> >
>>>
>>> Fernando Martins >> > writes:
>>> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>>>
>>> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
>>> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
>>> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[Martin Bernreuther]

Hello,

Am Dienstag, 13. Januar 2009 schrieb arne anka:
> > I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this
> 
> PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES!

PLEASE no more "READ THE ARCHIVES" platitudes! But more Wiki Links ;-)
On the other side please no baseless accusation of the OM team!

No. This should be no offense and I can understand that it's
annoying, if people always ask the same questions. But...
Recently I was searching for a solution to one of my various
FR problems and Google pointed me to a archived email
of someone asking the same on this list. Great! But
when I read the answer "read the archives" (from "arne anka")
my problem was still not solved!
If you watch somebody drowning, will you tell him it's wise to
learn swimming or throw a lifesaver?
Do you really expect a newbie to read all archived emails
of the past (most of them maybe outdated). And this list is "noisy"!
The focus might also change. Starting with distro A,
someone might not follow a discussion with a problem of distro B.
Changing to distro B, it's also hard to get all the information from
the archives.

Looking at the wiki, it's sometimes hard to find the right entry.
With all these distros it's also sometimes confusing, which method
works for which setup. It's hard to keep everything up to date with
this sometimes fast development.

If there's some outcome of a discussion, it should be
gathered on the wiki. IMHO it's a waste of time, if all people
read all these emails in the archives in the first place.
Usually people first read books to get a basic knowledge
and articles as a supplement for the latest news. It's not
common e.g. to learn the basics of physics reading all the
letters between physicist of the last centuries, but reading
a book accumulating  the results.

Sorry for that off-topic email (no one should feel offended)
and special thanks to the wiki writers!

Regards,
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Fernando Martins  writes:
> I remember in original om had an option to turn on/off  GPS but I can't 
> find it in SHR. Anyway, I assumed gpsd would take care of it. So, in 

normal gpsd does nothing about freerunner specific power controls.

> SHR, how can I check whether GPS is on/off and how to switch it on/off?

I cat 
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Michael Sheldon]

You can test fso-gpsd by running "telnet localhost 2947" then typing "r" 
and pressing return. You should the receive GPS data.

Cheers,
  Mike.

Fernando Martins wrote:
> Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd (that's what's 
> on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now that it is 
> being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure out how to 
> check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.
> 
> Thomas des Courières wrote:
>> did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?
>>
>> 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors > >
>>
>> Fernando Martins > > writes:
>> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>>
>> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
>> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
>> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd (that's what's 
on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now that it is 
being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure out how to 
check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.

Thomas des Courières wrote:
> did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?
>
> 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors  >
>
> Fernando Martins  > writes:
> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>
> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Fernando Martins  writes:
>   
>> receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>> 
>
> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
>   
I remember in original om had an option to turn on/off  GPS but I can't 
find it in SHR. Anyway, I assumed gpsd would take care of it. So, in 
SHR, how can I check whether GPS is on/off and how to switch it on/off?

> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: My solution

[Benedikt Bär]

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 11:43 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> For fun you could adjust the accelerometer threshold to be 
> super-sensitive, and then when you drive around corners the display 
> would rotate 90 degrees, giving the virtual illusion* of driving really, 
> really fast!
> 
> :-)
> 

Nice idea! I have to add that to my TODO list (just for fun) :)

Benedikt

> 
> * "virtual illusion"? You heard it hear first.
> 
> > Yes, that could be a solution. In fact, in the Om2008 repos there is just
> > such a tool, called accel-rotate. However, I find it mildly irritating,
> > since it does not limit rotation to one "portrait" and one "landscape"
> > display modes, it can rotate the screen in all 4 directions. In some
> > applications this could actually be a very neat thing, depending on for
> > instance the type of holder you have to clasp your FR. Thusly, if you can
> > only put your FR into a holder upside down due to buttons/cables/whatever,
> > then accell-rotate will allow you to do just that.
> > 
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Thomas des Courières]

did you try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?

2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors 

> Fernando Martins  writes:
> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
>
> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: [Android] How to close the browser window

[Denis Galvão]

BTW, I dont need to hack de dhcp/dns. Just choose your wifi spot and  
start browsing.

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Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta!
http://www.voipmania.com.br


On 13/01/2009, at 17:09, C R McClenaghan wrote:

> Walking up the parent directory of your link reveals Penquin Embedded
> in Valencia, Spain.
>
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Denis Galvão wrote:
>
>> Yeah... One more "hack" to be done...
>>
>> BTW, Im not sure if someone got the same Wifi scan success that I  
>> had.
>> So I can scan for networks and (doing a copy paste procedure) start a
>> new wifi wpa connection. The problem is dhcp that sometimes is not
>> working properly and you need to force the  DNS IP itself.
>>
>> Im using these files:
>> freerunner-v3.jffs2  2009-Jan-12 01:50:1730.5M
>> uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_android_458301db547e5375.bin2009-Jan-09
>> 16:58:55 2.4M
>>
>> From: http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/
>>
>> Qi as bootloader. (2.4M kernel image)
>>
>> Who is behind those daily builds rootfs and kernel?
>>
>> --
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>> AsteriskBrasil.org
>>
>> Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta!
>> http://www.voipmania.com.br
>>
>>
>> On 12/01/2009, at 15:04, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>>
>>> Denis Galvão wrote:
 Is there a way to close the browser, or come back to the phone  
 start
 screen?
>>>
>>> I dont' know if it can be closed completely without going back until
>>> the
>>> begin of the navigation, but I can at least make it go in
>>> "background"
>>> by pressing the Menu (power) button -> Windows -> New Window -> Back
>>> (AUX) button ;)
>>>
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Re: My solution (was: Car Charger?)

[Benedikt Bär]

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 09:34 -0500, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> The problem I had was that the FR has it's buttons and USB port
> at the bottom and the holder comes designed to hold the mobile
> at the bottom ;)
> 
> It has two pieces: One that attaches to the car, and the other
> which
> holds the mobile. 
> 
> I just flipped the whole thing over, so it holds the FR at the
> top. But then with the vibrations it would come off so I just
> glued the two pieces together.
> 
> It would be nice to ask X11 to rotate everything 180 degrees.  Then the
> "top" of the Openmoko would become the bottom.
> 
> Sounds like a good application of the accelerometer to me.
> 

True, this could be a solution, however I like my FR to be in the right
orientation. Besides the fix was quite simple and the holder quite
cheap :)

Benedikt

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Re: My solution

[Michael Shiloh]

For fun you could adjust the accelerometer threshold to be 
super-sensitive, and then when you drive around corners the display 
would rotate 90 degrees, giving the virtual illusion* of driving really, 
really fast!

:-)


* "virtual illusion"? You heard it hear first.

> Yes, that could be a solution. In fact, in the Om2008 repos there is just
> such a tool, called accel-rotate. However, I find it mildly irritating,
> since it does not limit rotation to one "portrait" and one "landscape"
> display modes, it can rotate the screen in all 4 directions. In some
> applications this could actually be a very neat thing, depending on for
> instance the type of holder you have to clasp your FR. Thusly, if you can
> only put your FR into a holder upside down due to buttons/cables/whatever,
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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Fernando Martins  writes:
> receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?

1) is the GPS chip powered on?
2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
3) is that reading any data?

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Re: GPRS unreliable: long lasting connection fail

[Eldon Koyle]

I was looking at this once and I think the problem might be that pppd
closes the device and re-opens it before reconnecting, and the mux
device is no longer usable once it has been closed.

I didn't verify this, but it seemed logical to me ;).

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Big to little endian conversion error


On  Jan 12 22:14+1300, Andrew Stephen wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Niccolo Rigacci  wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > Please tell me: with gsm0710uxd the connection is still done by
> > pppd/chat?
> 
> Yes - gsm0710muxd creates a new serial device for each application
> needing access to the GSM device.  You just call pppd with its own
> device.
> [snip]
> >
> > I hope to last 12 hours or so, because I do GPS live tracking
> > with position upload to the internet every 5/10 seconds.
> [snip]
> 
> I've run GPRS for several hours at a time in a car travelling in some
> dodgy reception areas.  Sometimes it seemsed to lose connection and
> re-establish itself gracefully but more often than not I'd find that
> GPRS had died and pppd was still up but ineffective.  I usually had to
> reboot the FR before I could re-establish connection when this
> happened.
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Thomas Otterbein]

> How about running two apps then, if they're both using accelerometers and
> each requires its own orientation?
Perhaps a "Accelero-Deamon"? Applications could register for receiving, 
probably even already pre-processed, events. And an application could also 
request exclusive access in which case the others would just not receive 
further events.

So, problem's solved! Could we please get a working demo by tomorrow? ;-)



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shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

I've started the demon fso-gpsd and then tangoGPS but it's still 
receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?

Are there any known extra steps needed to get TangoGPS to work?

Regards,
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Call for SMS templates

[Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster]

qpe hat an sms template managemnet. tthe shr apps don't.
if the community wants it i'm gonna write a keyboard layout consisting 
of sms templates.
before i can start i need to know which templates are wanted/needed.
if there is enough response i'll post one tomorrow (the contents of the 
kbd file) containing the suggestions ( i think one day should be enough 
to gather the most common ones).

i will let the mail containg the sauce of the kbd file then cycle so 
that it can be localized ( i only speak english and german, so i'll do 
the german localisation

my suggestion would be a row of the most common smiley/emoticons
next rows: (mybe using pngs instead of text if you have any ideas, 
please also append png files - don't bother i'l make them all look 
monolithic) Yes, something like "later" or @work. will call you later.

i am also posting this at the german freeyourphone forum. so the mail 
tomorrow will also contain the suggestions gathered from there

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Re: [Android] How to close the browser window

[C R McClenaghan]

Walking up the parent directory of your link reveals Penquin Embedded  
in Valencia, Spain.

On Jan 12, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Denis Galvão wrote:

> Yeah... One more "hack" to be done...
>
> BTW, Im not sure if someone got the same Wifi scan success that I had.
> So I can scan for networks and (doing a copy paste procedure) start a
> new wifi wpa connection. The problem is dhcp that sometimes is not
> working properly and you need to force the  DNS IP itself.
>
> Im using these files:
> freerunner-v3.jffs2   2009-Jan-12 01:50:1730.5M
> uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_android_458301db547e5375.bin 2009-Jan-09
> 16:58:55  2.4M
>
> From: http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/
>
> Qi as bootloader. (2.4M kernel image)
>
> Who is behind those daily builds rootfs and kernel?
>
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>
> On 12/01/2009, at 15:04, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>
>> Denis Galvão wrote:
>>> Is there a way to close the browser, or come back to the phone start
>>> screen?
>>
>> I dont' know if it can be closed completely without going back until
>> the
>> begin of the navigation, but I can at least make it go in  
>> "background"
>> by pressing the Menu (power) button -> Windows -> New Window -> Back
>> (AUX) button ;)
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[VirtuAlex]

Thomas Otterbein wrote:
> 
> to my opinion the default auto-rotation software should have some
> signaling 
> mechanism that keeps it from doing it's job while a certain software is 
> active. You can experience this with the later versions of MPlayer. It
> tells 
> the Screensaver not to activate during movie playback. I figure the
> screensaver 
> modules of Desktop-Manager must have appropriate interfaces to accomplish
> that 
> behaviour.
> 
> For example if a program would like to gain exclusive control over the 
> accelerometers it could create a certain file (e.g. 
> /var/run/donotrotate_illdoitmyself). The default rotation software checks
> for 
> this file and while the file exists it loosen it's grip of the meters.
> This 
> would solve the issue of concurrent access too.
> As far as I know the file could be created in a way so that even when the 
> software crashes completely it is removed and therefore allow the original 
> rotation-software to reactivate reliably.
> 

How about running two apps then, if they're both using accelerometers and
each requires its own orientation?
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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 13 January 2009, john dowd wrote:
> To be clear, you are saying that this is a u-boot issue?

There was an issue with u-boot failing to transfer correctly from phone to PC, 
usually when trying to back up the rootfs. I remember mention of a patch, but 
I can't confirm that it's now fixed as I've not tried it. 

> I usually go 
> and sacrifice a few chickens and make sure that it's a new moon before
> I update a bootloader. Especially when I don't have a debug board or
> external way of updating flash.

With the FR you don't need to worry too much as there is a failsafe u-boot in 
NOR in addition to the updateable one in NAND. The failsafe one can't be 
overwritten if you don't have a debug board, so you can always use it to 
flash a new bootloader to NAND.

> Cheers!!
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
>
>  wrote:
> > john dowd wrote:
> >> I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
> >> not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:
> >>
> >> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
> >> Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6,
> >> name="rootfs" Claiming USB DFU Interface...
> >> Setting Alternate Setting ...
> >> Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
> >> dfuERROR, clearing status
> >> Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
> >> dfuIDLE, continuing
> >> Transfer Size = 0x1000
> >> dfu_upload error -84
> >>
> >> This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
> >> Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?
> >
> > You should update uboot to get it completed. Uboot-git has a fix for
> > this. BTW you can follow the Backup wiki, and generate a jffs2 via ssh
> > without dfu-utils ;)
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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[Alessandro Iurlano]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:

>
> Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital
> letters; concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day
> and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail
> in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ...
>

Regarding to searches, you could try staring with these two:

http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/index.html?cx=01843063342716089%3Aszsaurhronw&cof=FORID%3A9&q=buzz+fix&sa=OpenmokoSearch#1167

http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/index.html?cx=01843063342716089%3Aszsaurhronw&cof=FORID%3A9&q=gsm+fix&sa=OpenmokoSearch#1186

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Re: which SHR image

[Al Johnson]

On Monday 12 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote:
> The ".tar.gz" file is not an image for flashing. It is simply an archive
> with all the files. It is useful in that you can extract the
> files on a pc easily. You may then copy single files to the freerunner
> in order to fix a botched customization without having to reflash. If
> you have customized over several weeks, then perhaps you don't want to
> reflash and start from scratch.

It is also the file you want if you are going to run from SD rather than 
flash.

> Both of the other two works. The "summary" file is slightly bigger, but
> is preferable. I have no idea why - but was told so.

IIRC the .summary file has some extra filesystem info present that allows it 
to be mounted faster.

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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote:
> buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search
> in the e-mails)
> only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping
> to see that one documented as well

There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list 
which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I 
suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the 
space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could 
easily reintroduce buzz.

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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

[john dowd]

To be clear, you are saying that this is a u-boot issue? I usually go
and sacrifice a few chickens and make sure that it's a new moon before
I update a bootloader. Especially when I don't have a debug board or
external way of updating flash.

Cheers!!

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
 wrote:
> john dowd wrote:
>> I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
>> not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:
>>
>> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
>> Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
>> Claiming USB DFU Interface...
>> Setting Alternate Setting ...
>> Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
>> dfuERROR, clearing status
>> Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
>> dfuIDLE, continuing
>> Transfer Size = 0x1000
>> dfu_upload error -84
>>
>> This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
>> Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?
>
> You should update uboot to get it completed. Uboot-git has a fix for this.
> BTW you can follow the Backup wiki, and generate a jffs2 via ssh without
> dfu-utils ;)
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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

john dowd wrote:
> I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
> not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:
> 
> Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
> Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
> Claiming USB DFU Interface...
> Setting Alternate Setting ...
> Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
> dfuERROR, clearing status
> Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
> dfuIDLE, continuing
> Transfer Size = 0x1000
> dfu_upload error -84
> 
> This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
> Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?

You should update uboot to get it completed. Uboot-git has a fix for this.
BTW you can follow the Backup wiki, and generate a jffs2 via ssh without
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Re: Community update

[Yorick Moko]

thanks for the update Minh!
hadn't heard about Gwaterpas
it's been added to opkg now btw

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> This is the nineth Community Updates, January 12th issue.
>
> For the new year we interviewed Sean on everything that matters for the
> community: sales in 2008 were around the low five digits, om-locations is
> what remains of an ambitious mesh network project, and the most surprising
> development to him was the explosion of distributions. Back on the mailing
> lists, activity was rater slow during the first week of the year, but got
> more intense than ever after the holidays. Illume's keyboard received lots of
> localisations. Opkg.org reached a critical mass of packages. SHR and FSO are
> counting down toward their next milestone, while coding continues for kernel,
> drivers, Android and the like. It looks like the switch to 2.6.28 is going to
> happen soonish, before the switch to the Paroli phone stack.
>
> The newsletter is also available with links at
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009
>
> Contents
>* 1 Distributions
>* 2 New applications
>* 3 Ports and updates
>* 4 Community
>* 5 Hardware and drivers
>* 6 Tips and tricks
>
> 1. Distributions
>
>* SHR: According to Julien's latest on the SHR project blog, the baby is
> expected really soon now.
>* Marek announced the new organisation of package and images repositories.
>* Android: The latest compatible kernel has wifi and bluetooth working
> now. Suspend and reboot are still broken.
>* FSO MS5 should branch out for really soon now (the roadmap says release
> January 31st, but they want a longer stabilization period this time). It will
> be the first milestone that will have support not only for GTA01 and 02, but
> also for the Motorola EZX A780. meeting minutes.
>* Hackable:1 buildbot is up and running. Images are generated every
> morning around 4:00. Happy testing !
>* User:Bytestore has updated assemblage 2008.12 from Russian community,
> work with gprs, headphone jack plug, ru keyboard and many other things were
> updated (download rootfs, see screenshots)
>
> 2. New applications
>
>* LED clock When an Openmoko is sitting unused at night, turn it into an
> alarm clock with large 7-segment digits on a black background in landscape
> mode.
>* GPRSsettings is a GUI script designed to change apn, login, dialnumber.
>* Samuel's script for a toggle wifi icon.
>* ylock 0.1 Python screen lock and low battery monits.
>* AppManager 1.0.1 Zenity package manager.
>* Mirko announced that pre-alpha Paroli was now packaged in testing.
> Development moved to their own domain: paroli-project hosts trac, git, blog
> and documentation.
>* Kurt's Gwaterpas allows to use the Freerunner as a leveling tool.
>* There are now 75 packages at opkg.org. Novelties include osmupdater
> (updates OSM maps directory), sortdesk (sorts the desk), MokoCard (flashcards
> learning aid), sms-sentry (query the unit's location by SMS, handy if it was
> just stolen), pyring (a key ring), EFpLayer (mplayer GUI), playstankontakarta
> (an icon displaying remaining credit with POLISH PLAY pre-paid phone
> provider), various illume keyboards and more. It was mentioned unofficially
> that Openmoko's community repository is going to be dismantled.
>
> 3. Ports and updates
>
>* Lots of Navit activity. Distributions are kindly suggested to package
> the sample map separately from the main binary to conserve space.
>* The opkg package manager development moved from OM svn to Google code.
> The recommended stable version is r172, there is a significant data
> structures+algorithm refactorization going on.
>* Version 2.4 of orrery is now available. It has a new schematic Solar
> System View page, showing the position of the planets and our moon in their
> orbits, a new moon calendar, and a less ugly icon.
>* The ZOMG! package manager is now available on opkg.org, and now allows
> to add/remove/edit repositories (i.e. feeds).
>* Angus updated BtGPS.py to work with FSO. With this script, the
> FreeRunner works as a bluetooth GPS.
>* Marco shared his success in compiling the latest E17 svn on 2008.12.
> There was trouble on SHR with the Elementary widget set, tough.
>
> 4. Community
>
>* Sean's new year interview
>* Rakshat Hooja's company IDA Systems will be at Mumbai's TechFest. There
> are gifts waiting for the first 10 FreeRunner owners to show up at their
> booth!
>* The Future of location services thread started as an attempt to clarify
> the GPS drivers tangle, and then turned to using GSM celltowers and wifi
> access points location information. Dima signalled that there are several
> free databases of GSM tower locations, and that his gta02 Perl script to
> query OpenCellID for the approximate tower location, and then initialize the
> AGPS with this data works great. There is a database of

Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[drac2000]

I will not take it personal even if I think it is not the right way to
comment..
I am sorry if my post hurts anyone
All I wanted to say is that I expected that those hardware issues would be a
priority (including debuging, testing, proposals etc...) than start dilema
about GTA03, distros...
All this because I beleive in the open community, in OM and in my FR. And
i'm kind of frustrated to not be able to use my FR as my daily, now that I
have it for +6 months

I apologize if I express it the wrong way, but I think I can express my
opinion without being scolded

All my respects to you OM

drac.


arne anka wrote:
> 
>> I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this
> 
> PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES!
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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[steffen . linux]

then unsubscribe from this list...or just don't read such emails...
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:26:00 +0100
> Von: "arne anka" 
> An: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Betreff: Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

> > Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital
> > letters;
> 
> you don't think, there might be reasons?
> 
> > concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day
> > and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail
> > in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ...
> 
> the issue of buzz, fix and how and where have been discussed _so_ often  
> that anybody reading this list should know the answers by heart.
> for everybody else onbly the term "buzz" shouldN#t be more than enough to 
> find the plethora of mails answering drac2000's whining.
> 
> i am sick and tired aof complaints like "i don't understnd why om is not  
> helping" -- om has given to understand, taht work is going on, that more  
> test has to be made and that they are working on how to provide the fixes 
> (lord, why did i write that? why did i not let him search all by
> himself?).
> if he thinks that is to much to carry for him, he should either sell his  
> fr or simply ask if there are any news on the schedule -- but these  
> constant complaints and accusations are driving me crazy!
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Ubuntu 8.10 USB Network via wcid

[Pander]

Hi all,

I had some script to connect FreeRunner via USB Network to Ubuntu 8.10.
Now I'm upgrading this to have it as automatic as possible and would
like to configure
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Ubuntu_Workaround

I have wcid up and running and the Wiki refers to:
  You can use the "normal" settings in /network/interfaces.
What are the "normal" settings?

Can someone post a failsafe step by step procedure how to configure this
setup?

Thanks,

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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[Yorick Moko]

I agree with you arne anka,
buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search
in the e-mails)
only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping
to see that one documented as well
I would hate to get two things fixed, and have to fix a third one a
week later...

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM, arne anka  wrote:
>> Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital
>> letters;
>
> you don't think, there might be reasons?
>
>> concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day
>> and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail
>> in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ...
>
> the issue of buzz, fix and how and where have been discussed _so_ often
> that anybody reading this list should know the answers by heart.
> for everybody else onbly the term "buzz" shouldN#t be more than enough to
> find the plethora of mails answering drac2000's whining.
>
> i am sick and tired aof complaints like "i don't understnd why om is not
> helping" -- om has given to understand, taht work is going on, that more
> test has to be made and that they are working on how to provide the fixes
> (lord, why did i write that? why did i not let him search all by himself?).
> if he thinks that is to much to carry for him, he should either sell his
> fr or simply ask if there are any news on the schedule -- but these
> constant complaints and accusations are driving me crazy!
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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[arne anka]

> Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital
> letters;

you don't think, there might be reasons?

> concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day
> and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail
> in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ...

the issue of buzz, fix and how and where have been discussed _so_ often  
that anybody reading this list should know the answers by heart.
for everybody else onbly the term "buzz" shouldN#t be more than enough to  
find the plethora of mails answering drac2000's whining.

i am sick and tired aof complaints like "i don't understnd why om is not  
helping" -- om has given to understand, taht work is going on, that more  
test has to be made and that they are working on how to provide the fixes  
(lord, why did i write that? why did i not let him search all by himself?).
if he thinks that is to much to carry for him, he should either sell his  
fr or simply ask if there are any news on the schedule -- but these  
constant complaints and accusations are driving me crazy!

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Re: [FSO] Speed gps time to firxt fix up?

[Daniel Willmann]

Hi,

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:50:18 +0100
Fox Mulder  wrote:

> Since a few weeks i'm using fso-gpsd without any big problems so far.
> The only problem is that the TTFF (time to first fix) is always >1
> minute and sometimes it needs quite a lot of time. The only solution
> for me to be sure to get a fix within <30 sec is to use the agps tool
> which downloads the almanac and ephemeris from ublox for my region.

yes, I tried integrating hot-start into ogpsd, but somehow I had
problems with supplying ephemeris. Just some days ago I noticed
something that made me think the culprit is still the time calculation.
The SVs that zhone claimed were visible suddenly made a jolt and were
positioned differently. It was more than one, so it wasn't just one
almanac that got updated. I'm not completely sure, though, didn't look
too closely.

> The problem is, that the gps chip doesn't have any internal memory why
> it needs to download all relevant gps data every time it is powered
> up. So i thought if it is possible to save the relevant gps data
> before shutting down the gps which can be done by fso-gpsd or kernel
> automatically. Than after starting the gps fso-gpsd/kernel feeds back
> the data to speed up the TTFF. This would be the same way most gps
> receivers work.

It actually does have memory, but lacks a backup battery which is
supposed to power the memory of the GPS while main power is off.
ogpsd already stores and restores almanac, GPS/UTC timeoffset and
approximate last position. It's not restoring ephemeris because I had
weird problems with that (TTFF increased to several minutes).

> Maybe this is already implemented somewhere but i don't think so
> because the TTFF without agps is always quite slow.

Some things are there, some are missing. At the moment I'm busy getting
SMS stable so I wont have too much time for GPS in the near future.


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[om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

[john dowd]

I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
dfuERROR, clearing status
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
dfu_upload error -84

This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?

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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, January 13, 2009 a las 03:57:31PM +0100, arne anka escribió:

> > I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this
> 
> PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES!

arne,

Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital
letters; concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day
and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail
in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ... 

thx

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Re: My solution (was: Car Charger?)

[Jan Henkins]

Hi Jon,

On Tue, January 13, 2009 14:34, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:

> It would be nice to ask X11 to rotate everything 180 degrees.  Then the
> "top" of the Openmoko would become the bottom.
>
> Sounds like a good application of the accelerometer to me.


Yes, that could be a solution. In fact, in the Om2008 repos there is just
such a tool, called accel-rotate. However, I find it mildly irritating,
since it does not limit rotation to one "portrait" and one "landscape"
display modes, it can rotate the screen in all 4 directions. In some
applications this could actually be a very neat thing, depending on for
instance the type of holder you have to clasp your FR. Thusly, if you can
only put your FR into a holder upside down due to buttons/cables/whatever,
then accell-rotate will allow you to do just that.

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Re: [FSO] Speed gps time to firxt fix up?

[Daniel Willmann]

Hi,

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:23:25 +0100
Fox Mulder  wrote:

> I did nothing special.
> I only deinstalled gpsd and installed fso-gpsd. Some time ago fso-gpsd
> wasn't working good at all. But a few weeks ago i tried again to
> replace gpsd with fso-gpsd and since than it works ok.
> Interesting is that with fso-gpsd the gps chip is activated as soon
> as a connection to the fso-gpsd port is opened. And it is deactivated
> when the last connection closes. This feature has pros and cons but
> at the moment i like it. :)

You can set the resource policy to enabled if you'd like to keep GPS
on. See
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#SetResourcePolicy
for more information. It would be pretty easy to write a program to
manipulate the policy of all the resources, but nobody has done that
yet I believe.

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Re: stupid networking question

[Peter Nijs]

Sadly, this doesn't work on my suse (/etc/sysconfig/...) based system.

depeje

On Thursday 08 January 2009 12:58:09 Thomas Otterbein wrote:
> FYI:
>
> On my kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE installed by default) using the KDE
> NetworkManager I followed the advices on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>
> but insereted "auto usb0" into /etc/network/interfaces as suggested by
> arne. It looks now like that:
>
>   auto lo
>   iface lo inet loopback
>
>   # freerunner
>   auto usb0
>   allow-hotplug usb0
>   iface usb0 inet static
>   address 192.168.0.200
>   netmask 255.255.255.192
>   post-up /etc/network/freerunner start
>   pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop
>
> After a reboot (NetworkManager did not want to play well i.e. did not adopt
> to the changes) I get "Device usb0: unmanaged" and everything works as
> expected: My FR get's configured by /etc/network/freerunner and my
> (W)LAN-connections a correctly handled by NetworkManager.
>
> I guess this solution solves the issue for Ubuntu and all it's derivates
> too. Probably for all KDE-Installations as it seems that the key is to make
> the NetworkManager ignore the usb0-Interface.
>
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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[arne anka]

> I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this

PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES!

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Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)

[drac2000]

Matthias Apitz wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Christoph,
> 
> Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE:
> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf
> Would be great!
> 
> Thx
> 
> 

I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this
potential solution to finally bring the GTA02 to real real life.
I mean, it was OK to find out resellers for the phone around the world, but
now when it comes to make it daily phone specially with potential solution
like this :confused:

I think they can help us (no electronic DIY specialists) finding places to
apply those fixes (buzz, bass, ...)
Even the frequent community updates are not referring to this point which is
very important !!

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Re: My solution (was: Car Charger?)

[Jon 'maddog' Hall]

The problem I had was that the FR has it's buttons and USB port
at the bottom and the holder comes designed to hold the mobile
at the bottom ;)

It has two pieces: One that attaches to the car, and the other
which
holds the mobile. 

I just flipped the whole thing over, so it holds the FR at the
top. But then with the vibrations it would come off so I just
glued the two pieces together.

It would be nice to ask X11 to rotate everything 180 degrees.  Then the
"top" of the Openmoko would become the bottom.

Sounds like a good application of the accelerometer to me.

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Re: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)

[Christ van Willegen]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Benedikt Bär  wrote:
> Thanks for that, and as others said, count me in if the price is
> right :)


Me, too!


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Re: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)

[Benedikt Bär]

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 13:27 +0100, steffen.li...@gmx.de wrote:
> /signed me2 thanks for that service
>  Original-Nachricht 
> > Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:16:05 +0100
> > Von: Alexandre Ghisoli 
> > An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> > Betreff: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)
> 
> > Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 09:20 +0200, Christoph Pulster a écrit :
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily).
> > > At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any
> >  
> > > repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc).
> > > In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find 
> > > a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan.
> > > Please allow us some days to work that out.
> > > 

Hi Christoph,

Thanks for that, and as others said, count me in if the price is
right :)

Benedikt

> > > 
> > > Christoph
> > > www.pulster.eu
> > > Openmoko Shop
> > 
> > Thanks for your support.
> > I'll look forward from you on this topic. Count me in as one of the
> > customer that plan to have a FR upgraded if price sound nice.
> > 
> > best regards
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: My solution (was: Car Charger?)

[Benedikt Bär]

Hi all,

After talking with Christoph from Pulster we thought I'd share my car
holder solution to everyone :)

Attached you can find the photos of my car holder.

Basically, the whole thing did only cost me 5€ (~3 USD), but I had to
modify it slightly for the FR (explanation bellow).

I bought it from a local store here in Spain, called "El Corte Inglés". 

Basically, it's a cheap mobile holder which you can get in every store
and which is attached to the air duct covers. 

The problem I had was that the FR has it's buttons and USB port at the
bottom and the holder comes designed to hold the mobile at the bottom ;)

It has two pieces: One that attaches to the car, and the other which
holds the mobile. 

I just flipped the whole thing over, so it holds the FR at the top. But
then with the vibrations it would come off so I just glued the two
pieces together.

(Photos will explain what I mean :P) [1] [2] [3]

[1] http://www.relamp.tk/freerunner/100_0014.jpg
[2] http://www.relamp.tk/freerunner/100_0015.jpg
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

Yes, ledclock works fine if you disable rotation.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Yorick Moko wrote:
> small correction; in ledclock one can override the rotation
> 
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> > i'm just responding to confirm that some apps also don't work
> > correctly with omnewrotate installed
> > mokoeightball is one of them;
> > after installing omnewrotate and rebooting, shaking the phone does not
> > work with mokoeightball
> > apps like the ledclock (http://www.opkg.org/package_104.html) displays
> > by default in landscape mode, but turning the phone to landscape makes
> > the teks adapt itself and displays in normal mode
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36:29AM +0100, Thomas Otterbein wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> > > I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead 
> >>> > > of
> >>> > > a starter script.
> >>> >
> >>> > This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top
> >>> > shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.
> >>> >
> >>> > Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like.
> >>> > Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
> >>> > I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
> >>> > in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
> >>> > screen repaints.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> to my opinion the default auto-rotation software should have some 
> >>> signaling
> >>> mechanism that keeps it from doing it's job while a certain software is
> >>> active. You can experience this with the later versions of MPlayer. It 
> >>> tells
> >>> the Screensaver not to activate during movie playback. I figure the 
> >>> screensaver
> >>> modules of Desktop-Manager must have appropriate interfaces to accomplish 
> >>> that
> >>> behaviour.
> >>
> >> Yes, I'm thinking of catching SIGUSR1 for that. Anything that wants to
> >> toggle it just pkill -USR1 omnewrotate in the near future.
> >>
> >> Rui
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Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, January 13, 2009 a las 10:16:16PM +0900, William Kenworthy 
escribió:

> > I know this ticket and there is a lot of chatting in it; I'm not even
> > sure if the ticket matches my situation because this morning, for
> > example, I had a run-away events/0 *without* having enabled WLAN at all
> > since the last boot and I never suspend my FR and it was up some 12h
> > only; perhaps there are more o complexer situations cuasing that problem :-(
> > 
> > matthias
> 
> 
> For me the events/0 runaway usually happens some time after using GPS
> (quite often), and only rarely after using wifi.

I've rebooted my FR last evening; after this I have only made phone
calls (no GPS, no GPRS, no Wifi); I'm using my FR as daily phone and as
part of it as wake-up-clock at 6 in the morning; today the runaway occured
short after the wake-up RING of 'clock'.

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Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

William Kenworthy  writes:
> For me the events/0 runaway usually happens some time after using GPS
> (quite often), and only rarely after using wifi.

That sounds very odd since GPS accessed over serial port, kernel does
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Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[William Kenworthy]

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 13:22 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, January 13, 2009 a las 02:10:14PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors 
> escribió:
> 
> > Matthias Apitz  writes:
> > > ofc, this is only a hack and OM should fix that 'events/0' issue asap;
> > 
> > If you read http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1597 you'll see that
> > it vanished in the andy-tracking branch when wlan stuff was migrated
> > to different SDIO stack.
> > 
> 
> I know this ticket and there is a lot of chatting in it; I'm not even
> sure if the ticket matches my situation because this morning, for
> example, I had a run-away events/0 *without* having enabled WLAN at all
> since the last boot and I never suspend my FR and it was up some 12h
> only; perhaps there are more o complexer situations cuasing that problem :-(
> 
>   matthias


For me the events/0 runaway usually happens some time after using GPS
(quite often), and only rarely after using wifi.

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Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Matthias Apitz  writes:
> only; perhaps there are more o complexer situations cuasing that problem :-(

In any case, try compiling linux from andy-tracking branch.


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Re: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)

[steffen . linux]

/signed me2 thanks for that service
 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:16:05 +0100
> Von: Alexandre Ghisoli 
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> Betreff: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)

> Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 09:20 +0200, Christoph Pulster a écrit :
> > Hello,
> > 
> > thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily).
> > At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any
>  
> > repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc).
> > In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find 
> > a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan.
> > Please allow us some days to work that out.
> > 
> > 
> > Christoph
> > www.pulster.eu
> > Openmoko Shop
> 
> Thanks for your support.
> I'll look forward from you on this topic. Count me in as one of the
> customer that plan to have a FR upgraded if price sound nice.
> 
> best regards
> 
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Re: [2008.12] GPS from python

[Nicolas Laurance]

you might want to read the thread

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td786643


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Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, January 13, 2009 a las 02:10:14PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors 
escribió:

> Matthias Apitz  writes:
> > ofc, this is only a hack and OM should fix that 'events/0' issue asap;
> 
> If you read http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1597 you'll see that
> it vanished in the andy-tracking branch when wlan stuff was migrated
> to different SDIO stack.
> 

I know this ticket and there is a lot of chatting in it; I'm not even
sure if the ticket matches my situation because this morning, for
example, I had a run-away events/0 *without* having enabled WLAN at all
since the last boot and I never suspend my FR and it was up some 12h
only; perhaps there are more o complexer situations cuasing that problem :-(

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Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)

[Alexandre Ghisoli]

Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 09:20 +0200, Christoph Pulster a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily).
> At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any  
> repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc).
> In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find  
> a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan.
> Please allow us some days to work that out.
> 
> 
> Christoph
> www.pulster.eu
> Openmoko Shop

Thanks for your support.
I'll look forward from you on this topic. Count me in as one of the
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Re: [Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Matthias Apitz  writes:
> ofc, this is only a hack and OM should fix that 'events/0' issue asap;

If you read http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1597 you'll see that
it vanished in the andy-tracking branch when wlan stuff was migrated
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Yorick Moko]

small correction; in ledclock one can override the rotation

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> i'm just responding to confirm that some apps also don't work
> correctly with omnewrotate installed
> mokoeightball is one of them;
> after installing omnewrotate and rebooting, shaking the phone does not
> work with mokoeightball
> apps like the ledclock (http://www.opkg.org/package_104.html) displays
> by default in landscape mode, but turning the phone to landscape makes
> the teks adapt itself and displays in normal mode
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36:29AM +0100, Thomas Otterbein wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> > > I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead of
>>> > > a starter script.
>>> >
>>> > This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top
>>> > shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.
>>> >
>>> > Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like.
>>> > Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
>>> > I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
>>> > in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
>>> > screen repaints.
>>>
>>>
>>> to my opinion the default auto-rotation software should have some signaling
>>> mechanism that keeps it from doing it's job while a certain software is
>>> active. You can experience this with the later versions of MPlayer. It tells
>>> the Screensaver not to activate during movie playback. I figure the 
>>> screensaver
>>> modules of Desktop-Manager must have appropriate interfaces to accomplish 
>>> that
>>> behaviour.
>>
>> Yes, I'm thinking of catching SIGUSR1 for that. Anything that wants to
>> toggle it just pkill -USR1 omnewrotate in the near future.
>>
>> Rui
>>
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Yorick Moko]

i'm just responding to confirm that some apps also don't work
correctly with omnewrotate installed
mokoeightball is one of them;
after installing omnewrotate and rebooting, shaking the phone does not
work with mokoeightball
apps like the ledclock (http://www.opkg.org/package_104.html) displays
by default in landscape mode, but turning the phone to landscape makes
the teks adapt itself and displays in normal mode

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36:29AM +0100, Thomas Otterbein wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> > > I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead of
>> > > a starter script.
>> >
>> > This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top
>> > shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.
>> >
>> > Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like.
>> > Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
>> > I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
>> > in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
>> > screen repaints.
>>
>>
>> to my opinion the default auto-rotation software should have some signaling
>> mechanism that keeps it from doing it's job while a certain software is
>> active. You can experience this with the later versions of MPlayer. It tells
>> the Screensaver not to activate during movie playback. I figure the 
>> screensaver
>> modules of Desktop-Manager must have appropriate interfaces to accomplish 
>> that
>> behaviour.
>
> Yes, I'm thinking of catching SIGUSR1 for that. Anything that wants to
> toggle it just pkill -USR1 omnewrotate in the near future.
>
> Rui
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Re: orrery, $LANG, numbers format : bad numbers make orrery crash.

[Yorick Moko]

just change the desktop file?
exec=LANG=C orrery -d /usr/share/orrery/  ?

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Xavier Cremaschi
 wrote:
> Hi folks, here is my problem :
>
> #echo $LANG
> fr_FR.UTF-8
>
> #orrery -d /usr/share/orrery/
> Wrong number (1) of numbers found on line 1 of
> /usr/share/orrery//orbitalElements/mercuryElements
>
> Ok so let's check this file, assuming bad packaging is unlikely to happen...
>
> #cat /usr/share/orrery/orbitalElements/mercuryElements
> 0.38709927 0.20563593  7.00497902252.25032350 77.45779628 48.33076593
> 0.0037 0.1906 -0.00594749 149472.67411175  0.16047689 -0.12534081
> 0.38709843 0.20563661  7.00559432252.25166724 77.45771895 48.33961819
> 0. 0.2123 -0.00590158 149472.67486623  0.15940013 -0.12214182
> 0. 0.  0.  0.
>
> But '.' (point) is a decimal delimiter in english cultural settings. We
> french use ',' (comma)
>
> #LANG=C orrery -d /usr/share/orrery/
> It works.
>
>
> Does someone have an idea to avoid the overriding of $LANG on the fly
> for this specific application ? A config file to tweak ?
>
> Best regards,
> Xavier Cremaschi.
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36:29AM +0100, Thomas Otterbein wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> > > I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead of
> > > a starter script.
> >
> > This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top
> > shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.
> >
> > Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like.
> > Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
> > I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
> > in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
> > screen repaints.
> 
> 
> to my opinion the default auto-rotation software should have some signaling 
> mechanism that keeps it from doing it's job while a certain software is 
> active. You can experience this with the later versions of MPlayer. It tells 
> the Screensaver not to activate during movie playback. I figure the 
> screensaver 
> modules of Desktop-Manager must have appropriate interfaces to accomplish 
> that 
> behaviour.

Yes, I'm thinking of catching SIGUSR1 for that. Anything that wants to
toggle it just pkill -USR1 omnewrotate in the near future.

Rui

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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Thomas Otterbein]

Hi all,

> > I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead of
> > a starter script.
>
> This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top
> shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.
>
> Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like.
> Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
> I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
> in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
> screen repaints.


to my opinion the default auto-rotation software should have some signaling 
mechanism that keeps it from doing it's job while a certain software is 
active. You can experience this with the later versions of MPlayer. It tells 
the Screensaver not to activate during movie playback. I figure the screensaver 
modules of Desktop-Manager must have appropriate interfaces to accomplish that 
behaviour.

For example if a program would like to gain exclusive control over the 
accelerometers it could create a certain file (e.g. 
/var/run/donotrotate_illdoitmyself). The default rotation software checks for 
this file and while the file exists it loosen it's grip of the meters. This 
would solve the issue of concurrent access too.
As far as I know the file could be created in a way so that even when the 
software crashes completely it is removed and therefore allow the original 
rotation-software to reactivate reliably.

Regards
  thomas

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Re: [fso]is there any way to accesswifi eitherthrough the ui? the shell?

[arne anka]

depends, what fso using distribution you finally ended up with (shr,  
2008.12, debian).
with debian the usual wireless tools should be available, if not installed  
already:

apt-get install wireless-tools

as for a browser: with debian midori is a good choice imho, else there'S  
also links2 which operates in both text and graphics mode.


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[Om2008.9] runaway proc events/0 && automatic reboot

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

I've investigated this run-away problem deeper and now have a small
shell script which monitors the proc 'events/0' in the way that all 600
seconds the CPU time consumed in the last 600 seconds is compared against 2
(normally it is 0 or 1 sec, but if 'events/0' it is a big jump to some
hundred);

the script can be found in http://www.unixarea.de/monEvents.sh and if
the situation occurs the script monEvents.sh calls a Python script
'/home/root/sys/shuttdown.py', can be found in 
http://www.unixarea.de/shuttdown.py
which offers the user the option to re-boot (which is better than
running out of battery, I think);

ofc, this is only a hack and OM should fix that 'events/0' issue asap;

Thx

matthias

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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:00:02AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > omnewrotate is quite blind to what is running.
> > 
> > If you have an application which uses accelerometers you are much better
> > off not running omnewrotate at the same time, regardless of solving the
> > monopolization problem.
> > 
> > Imagine it is solved:
> > If the application uses the accelerometers then you may have some
> > problems when you hit a position where it thinks it should
> > rotate the screen. I can imagine how this would be a problem
> > with Pingus, for instance.
> > 
> > I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead of
> > a starter script.
> 
> This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top 
> shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.
> 
> Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like. 
> Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
> I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
> in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
> screen repaints.

oy! more ./configure compilation options comin' right up (well, not
right up as I don't know how to program with efl yet... but nothing like
writing a "small" module to learn it, hey?)

Rui

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Re: which SHR image

[Julien Cassignol]

Helge, would you be so kind as to copy your text somewhere on the wiki? :-)

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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

[Helge Hafting]

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> omnewrotate is quite blind to what is running.
> 
> If you have an application which uses accelerometers you are much better
> off not running omnewrotate at the same time, regardless of solving the
> monopolization problem.
> 
> Imagine it is solved:
>   If the application uses the accelerometers then you may have some
>   problems when you hit a position where it thinks it should
>   rotate the screen. I can imagine how this would be a problem
>   with Pingus, for instance.
> 
> I plan to have a toggling script for use in the desktop icon, instead of
> a starter script.

This is the sort of thing that might be useful to have on the illume top 
shelf. autototate on/off, and "rotate now" when auto is off.

Rotation is useful with maps. It depends on what the region look like. 
Also, it is easier to but the phone down on the long edge in a car.
I can see how autorotation would be a problem in a game. Pingus works
in either orientation, but several guys walk of the cliffs while the
screen repaints.

Helge Hafting

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Re: which SHR image

[Helge Hafting]

Thomas Franck wrote:
> Helge Hafting wrote:
> [an excellent and helpful text]
> 
> Wow.. that was thorough... Thank you for that - although I'm past that
> stage it was very good to read..
> 
> Maybe one more thing to ask (as I have no clue):
> 
> Do you happen to know the difference between the unstable and testing
> images of SHR..?
> 
Not completely sure, but I guess this is like debian:

testing:  Reasonably rested, but not necessarily release quality.
unstable: Newer stuff than in "testing". This is where you find the very
   latest stuff, but untested. Sometimes, unstable stuff
   doesn't work. So you can test it to see what is coming, but
   be prepared to revert to "testing" or some earlier "unstable"
   image if it fails badly. Not what you want for a quick
   upgrade of your daily phone.

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orrery, $LANG, numbers format : bad numbers make orrery crash.

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Hi folks, here is my problem :

#echo $LANG
fr_FR.UTF-8

#orrery -d /usr/share/orrery/
Wrong number (1) of numbers found on line 1 of 
/usr/share/orrery//orbitalElements/mercuryElements

Ok so let's check this file, assuming bad packaging is unlikely to happen...

#cat /usr/share/orrery/orbitalElements/mercuryElements
0.38709927 0.20563593  7.00497902252.25032350 77.45779628 48.33076593
0.0037 0.1906 -0.00594749 149472.67411175  0.16047689 -0.12534081
0.38709843 0.20563661  7.00559432252.25166724 77.45771895 48.33961819
0. 0.2123 -0.00590158 149472.67486623  0.15940013 -0.12214182
0. 0.  0.  0.

But '.' (point) is a decimal delimiter in english cultural settings. We 
french use ',' (comma)

#LANG=C orrery -d /usr/share/orrery/
It works.


Does someone have an idea to avoid the overriding of $LANG on the fly 
for this specific application ? A config file to tweak ?

Best regards,
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Re: MD5 checksums for images

[Vinzenz Hersche]

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David Pottage schrieb:
> On Mon, January 12, 2009 9:13 pm, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 06:46:35PM +0100, Fernando Martins wrote:
>>
>>> I've downloaded images for om2008.12, FSO and SHR and something
>>> that puzzles me is the lack of MD5 checksums on these
>>> repositories. The sums would just take a couple of minutes to
>>> put there, so I'm wondering if there is some other check going
>>> on by dfu before flashing??
>> Whoever cares about MD5 checksums, nowadays, is putting up a
>> farse, at least demand SHA256 ;)
>
> The point of MD5 checksums is to check for download errors,
> truncated files or the repository maintainer uploading the wrong
> file somehow.
>
> It is not to protect us from black hats who might somehow replace a
>  correct image with a malware infected one. (If they are able to do
> that, they can replace the md5sums file a the same time).
>
> Anyway, MD5 sum checking is done automaticaly in many tools, and
> most people are familiar with the commands to check MD5 sums, so if
> the images come with MD5 sums they will be checked easily. If they
> come with another sort of checksum, it will be harder to check, for
> no real benefit.
>
i think, md5 is enough, but sha256 is better (it's a smaller
possibility that there is a hash double, but when would this happend? :p)
there is enough space and the prozessors are fast, so why didn't use
sha256?

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Re: MD5 checksums for images

[David Pottage]

On Mon, January 12, 2009 9:13 pm, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 06:46:35PM +0100, Fernando Martins wrote:
>> I've downloaded images for om2008.12, FSO and SHR and something that
>> puzzles me is the lack of MD5 checksums on these repositories. The sums
>> would just take a couple of minutes to put there, so I'm wondering if
>> there is some other check going on by dfu before flashing??
>
> Whoever cares about MD5 checksums, nowadays, is putting up a farse, at
> least demand SHA256 ;)

The point of MD5 checksums is to check for download errors, truncated
files or the repository maintainer uploading the wrong file somehow.

It is not to protect us from black hats who might somehow replace a
correct image with a malware infected one. (If they are able to do that,
they can replace the md5sums file a the same time).

Anyway, MD5 sum checking is done automaticaly in many tools, and most
people are familiar with the commands to check MD5 sums, so if the images
come with MD5 sums they will be checked easily. If they come with another
sort of checksum, it will be harder to check, for no real benefit.

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Re: MP3 to OGG converter

[Chris Samuel]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 8:44:07 am François TOURDE wrote:

> There is also oggconvert, from the eponym debian package.

Plus dir2ogg (also in Debian and Ubuntu):

Description: audio file converter into ogg-vorbis format
 dir2ogg converts MP3, M4A, WMA, FLAC, WAV files and Audio CDs to the
 open-source OGG format.
 .
 It is a Python script that simply binds together the various decoders and
 oggenc making it easier for the user to convert his/her music files. It also
 supports ID3 tags.
Homepage: http://jak-linux.org/projects/dir2ogg/


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Re: On the Enlightenment Bleeding Edge

[Julien Cassignol]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:47 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
 wrote:
> In the latest months the enlightenment world has got many updates, but
> unfortunately the distros available for the FR don't provide the latest
> versions of the E stack. This is quite normal since they have to share a
> tested environment, but it makes so hard to use the latest tools (also
> because the e libs have frequent changes).
> That's why today I've given to my Toolchain another challenge :P:
> compiling E from svn (but following the OE bitbakes configurations)...

For your information, Raster has the kindness now and then to keep us
(the SHR team) in touch and to give us information on which version of
e-wm we should build. If you try unstable, it's generally close to
HEAD, but sometimes HEAD doesn't compile, or generates problems.

For a time it was UTF8 not being handled. These days it's the
dictionnary being slow as hell. Don't worry, as soon as a stabler
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Re: for sale: openmoko phone

[Chris Samuel]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 9:36:39 am jamal wrote:

> So, dumb question: whats the s/ware fix?

The following (undocumented) AT command to the GSM modem:

AT%N0187

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Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup

[Chris Samuel]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 5:11:45 am Stefan Monnier wrote:

> > [1] - which is ironic given that they were invented to encourage people
> > to publish their ideas rather than keep them secret.
>
> Actually, not so ironic: it basically means that rather than keeping
> them as internal secrets, they get to lock them in
> a government-provided vault.

Where everyone can read them and the protection expires after a time.

Don't get me wrong, I think patents are bad, especially these days where the 
techniques are often obsolete before the patent expires. :-(

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