RE: Questions about the usability of GTA02
-Message d'origine- I am in Torino (Italy) and own a FR, so if someone what to try my FR we can meet. Best regards Michele Renda I think that most users here would love too to let other interested users try their FR. Maybe we could setup some kind of map where you could register, so if someone wants to try a FR it would be easier to find someone close? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
Martin Bernreuther wrote: again (cmp. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-January/040623.html)... IMHO, it should be owner/group concept and permissions (there are even extensions for ACLs) and linking is a part of a build process (typically after compiling), so maybe support for hard/soft links is a better expression And what about - other special files like named pipe files, device files,... - file name conventions (Which are the file name restrictions in FAT?) Thanks, I'll adjust it accordingly. For me permissions was encompassing owner/group concept so I didn't see the need for extra verbosity. I'm happy to put it as you wrote. Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 06:11:58AM -0800, Tschaka wrote: So, again somebody is asking a question about usabilty. Please don't get me wrong, i actually browsed the mailing lists and wikis, but still there are some unsure things, and i'd like to have a bit more of a summarization. I'm interested in buying an openmoko Neo Freerunner, Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much all the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just another well polished smartphone. If you buy a Neo Freerunner, do it for the right reasons so you avoid disappointment. For example, the reasons _I_ bought a Freerunner instead of one of the competing devices: 1) I can install and use the programs _I_ want, even if nobody else sees the point. Example: For trainspotting, I want a database with freight train timetables and a front end so I can look up train passage times when at a station. 2) A screen big enough to do 1). 480x640 is better than most handhelds. 3) A GNU/Linux environment like on my desktop system, which means I can basicly do the same things on the go as I do at home. 4) Enough RAM to do 1) and 3). Most such devices have less than 128 MB. 5) An external USB port! Combined with 3), the possibilities are nearly endless. Just look at all the USB devices out there, ready to plug in. E.g. even though the Neo doesn't have a built in 3G modem, a USB one can be added. The Freerunner also connects fine to a USB cable modem, just 'ifup eth1' and off you go. 6) Schematics. It brings me the sort of excitement and enthusiasm I experienced back in around 1990 when I bought an Amiga 500 and found the schematics in the back of the manual. I did some hardware upgrades to my Amiga 500 and I'll likely be doing a few to my Freerunner as well. See also: The hardware list. 7) Generally, if there's something I'm not happy with on the Freerunner, I'll have a much better chance of being able to change it to my liking. 8) I will eventually need a replacement for my more than 5 years old Samsung phone. It's not just that the battery has aged noticably, the Samsung also has a number of silly misfeatures such as refusing to adjust speaker volume while in soundless mode, no way to use sound recordings as ringtones and no way of entering '+' in a phone number. See also 7). Neither the Android Dev Phone 1/T-Mobile G1, the iPhone or the Nokia N810 live up to all of the above points. I have not carefully checked if one of the many HTC devices would suit me better. 1st) Battery Power sometimes i'm at university from 9am to 10pm 6 days a week. I'm often browsing mobile news pages with my phone when going to university, or having a chat (XMPP of course!), approx 40 minutes a day. In the meantime i'm listening to music. I got no actual watch, so my phone is my watch, means i often activate the background light to get to know the time. I'm sending like 1-5 messages a day, having a phone call now and then. Now and then i would like to access the web via wifi. So, since i'm not able to plug the phone to a power source at university, would i be able to run it the whole day, without getting out of battery power after 10 hours? The following is with the Debian distribution (with ancient 2.6.24 kernel), xscreensaver not installed and GSM off: Suspended: 20 % battery charge remaining after 3 days. If sitting idle (not suspended) with the screen blanked: 20 hours[1]. But 7 hours drain 38 % of capacity, which gives about 18.5 hours instaed. If sitting idle (not suspended) with full backlight on: 5.5 hours[1]. Playing music[2] using mikmod with the screen blanked: 7.5 hours[1]. Playing music[2] using alsaplayer with the screen blanked: 6 hours[1]. Playing music[2] using alsaplayer with full backlight on: 3.5 hours[1]. Shooting video[3] with full backlight on: Well under 3 hours. ;-) Some distributions automatically suspend after a while, others don't. Some distributions don't unblank the screen while locked, so you can e.g. put it in a pocket while playing music without wasting battery power on backlight. ISTR this works fine in OM2008.9, but it doesn't in Debian. :-( There's a nasty power management bug somewhere which means that if you've had GSM on and turn it off, power consumption increases a lot: https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-January/000933.html I suppose it won't affect you when using the Neo as a phone. So in short, I think you should be able to use the Neo for 13 hours on battery power with the usage pattern you described, just as long as you keep an eye on the backlight and suspend the Neo during lectures. [1] Estimated using
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
W.Kenworthy wrote: I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still being maintained, and it has some real advantages for OSM maps (reiserfs doesnt have inode limits like ext2/3 does), and is much faster (against ext3). Well, I've seen often claims as yours (and never recall the opposite) and it is also my subjective perception, using regularly a system with ext2 and reiserfs in two partitions of the same hard disk. I made my choice base on space usage. I'll look for some benchmarks on performance later on. ...There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. I would not expect to read about ext3 corruptions?? I know it doesn't do checksums after saving blocks in the disk, but is reiserfs doing it? Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] unable to install zhone
Hi there, I saw waiting for MS5 to try FSO, but since it's not ready yet I decided to try MS4, but it does not come with any phone SF and I wanted to try zhone, but I just can't. opkg install zhone complains about libpython version, but versions seems to be ok. r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install zhone Installing zhone (0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/zhone_0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zhone: * libpython2.5-1.0 (= 2.5.2) * r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed |grep libpython libpython2.6-1.0 - 2.6.1-ml0 - r...@om-gta02:~# This happens with fso testing and unstable. fso stable comes with zhone preinstalled, but it fails after opkg upgrade any hints? Thanks in advance. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 09:42 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still being maintained, and it has some real advantages for OSM maps (reiserfs doesnt have inode limits like ext2/3 does), and is much faster (against ext3). Well, I've seen often claims as yours (and never recall the opposite) and it is also my subjective perception, using regularly a system with ext2 and reiserfs in two partitions of the same hard disk. I made my choice base on space usage. I'll look for some benchmarks on performance later on. ...There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. I would not expect to read about ext3 corruptions?? I know it doesn't do checksums after saving blocks in the disk, but is reiserfs doing it? Regards, Fernando This is not read on someones website - but my own real world experience - ext2/3 actually loses data on a regular basis in some scenarios (like 10 OSM maps on an SD card which is relevant here :). I am using data=journal which I understand should give more protection with some penalty in speed, but it still happens. I did read a recent post about how fast ext2/3/4 is and the fact came out that they default to minimum protection to ensure good speed - while most other file systems are biased for protection. When in an oranges/oranges scenario, ext4 (I think) was pulled back to the bunch. I have not heard of any tests on the safest settings and rankings on filesystems - not sure they would be useful as there is a very wide variety of usage scenarios where one would be better than others. So my favouring reiserfs is because while I have had problems at times, they are far less intrusive that losing whole systems and data that have happened to me using ext2 or ext3. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Free file hosting
Hello, I know this subject is not too much OM related, but it can help me to distribute software for FR. I have some application for FR I would like to share, and it would be very useful to me. Someone know a place where is possible to host some files for free? (Max 10-50 Mb) I need to have a folder where I can put my files, and other people can access via browser without a registration. I had a little server with apache, but now... i think he need a bit to relax. Thanks you in advance Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: powerbudget of freerunner?
joa...@verona.se writes: I would like to calculate how large battery capacity I need to have all the subsystems running(wifi, gps, gsm, bluetooth) + an external 3g modem. I would like to have 24h continuous uptime without suspend. (if i need a car battery to do it, so be it :) $ wget http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/energy2.txt $ cut -d' ' -f6 energy2.txt | sort -n | tail -n1 896437 shows that the largest peak consumption I have ever hit is 900 mA (voltage is around 4.3 V). $ grep Discharging energy2.txt | cut -d' ' -f6 | grep ^[1-9] a $ gnuplot gnuplot set terminal dumb gnuplot plot a 90 ++-+-+--+-+--+--+-+--+-+-A+ + + + + + + + + + a + A AA+ 80 ++ A++ | A | 70 ++ A++ | A | | A | 60 ++ A++ | A | 50 ++ A++ | AA | 40 ++AA ++ | | 30 ++AA ++ | | | | 20 ++ AA++ | AA | 10 ++ AA ++ + + + + + + + + + + 0 AAA+-+--+-+--+--+-+--+-+-++ 0 500 1000 1500 2000 2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 shows that the normal consumption in my use is around 300 mA. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com writes: Someone know a place where is possible to host some files for free? (Max 10-50 Mb) I need to have a folder where I can put my files, and other people can access via browser without a registration. How about http://projects.openmoko.org http://savannah.gnu.org ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended update ?
hi, Even there is 4.4.3... there are no applications around.. :-( -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Qt-Extended-update---tp2215762p2257919.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3?
Gstreamer is pretty simple. http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/index.html On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com wrote: I'd like to use the pymedia module with python in order to play mp3 files but i have some doubts: 1. How can i have pymedia module installed on SHR? 2. Can i have pymedia as a standalone module included within my app? (if yes, how?) 3. Are there other ways to do this in a simplest way? thanks a lot - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:05 + On Friday 30 January 2009, Giorgio Marciano wrote: Hi to all, is SHR capable of playing streaming mp3? my idea is to create a client for the seeqpod.com service! The problem is that SHR doesn't include mp3 support...am i right? It doesn't out of the box, but you can always build the packages yourself, or find someone in a friendly jurisdiction to do it for you. If you look at the recent messages about pythm with a gstreamer backend you might find some good example code too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] FR survey and locations
Dear all, questions about buying a FR now or later, waiting for this or that software and using this or that distribution arrive on a regular basis on this list. I read them all although I'm usually quite unhappy with the answers that happen to arrive on such a mailing. IMHO they represent -naturally- rather the authors personal liking of a certain distro than a neutral perspective on the most common issues (buzz, echo, battery, etc.). I understand that it depends a lot on the concrete device (revision) one uses and the circumstances (location, provider, gsm band, etc.) it's used in and -of course- on the personal expectations. So here's my approach to get the most urgent questions answered by a large group of users while allowing to take the decession on a most neutral base of data. I created a survey with the most important questions - at least to me but I'm happy to optimize it to make it usefull for a larger group of people. The questions are: What revisions of the FR are are out there and in use? What distro is used at the most? How many are (still) suffering from buzz/echo? Is there any indication that these problems are located or more frequent in certain corners of the world? The survey is a simple Google-Form. You can see the any entered records as a sheet here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg To take part in the survey click here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg I also created a Google-Map where everyone can enter the location of his or her FR, so people, who would like to see and/or touch it before buying their own, could find the closest FR-owner http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=115352610340426907999.000461ec26b35ac3fad63z=7 The Google-Form offers a kind of summary too, which may show some usefull statistics if enough FR-owners take part in the survey. However it cannot, for whatever reason, be made public. If someone is interessted I'll publish the summary somewhere else then. Thanks in advance for your support! Regards thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] FR survey and locations
This is great, I was actually thinking about setting up one of these google forms myself. I wanted to see if there where any other Freerunner users in my area. But you took it one step further. Good Job. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3?
Yes thanks but, if i'm right, gstreamer support for mp3 is disabled within SHR (due to licence problem..). Is it right? - Original Message - From: Dylan Reilly To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:54:24 -0500 Gstreamer is pretty simple. http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/index.html On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Giorgio Marciano wrote: I'd like to use the pymedia module with python in order to play mp3 files but i have some doubts: 1. How can i have pymedia module installed on SHR? 2. Can i have pymedia as a standalone module included within my app? (if yes, how?) 3. Are there other ways to do this in a simplest way? thanks a lot - Original Message - From: Al Johnson To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [SHR] could SHR play streaming mp3? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:05 + On Friday 30 January 2009, Giorgio Marciano wrote: Hi to all, is SHR capable of playing streaming mp3? my idea is to create a client for the seeqpod.com service! The problem is that SHR doesn't include mp3 support...am i right? It doesn't out of the box, but you can always build the packages yourself, or find someone in a friendly jurisdiction to do it for you. If you look at the recent messages about pythm with a gstreamer backend you might find some good example code too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] FR survey and locations
I put that I have an Echo problem, But I only have the problem while on speaker phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
Michele Renda wrote: Hello, I know this subject is not too much OM related, but it can help me to distribute software for FR. I have some application for FR I would like to share, and it would be very useful to me. Someone know a place where is possible to host some files for free? (Max 10-50 Mb) I need to have a folder where I can put my files, and other people can access via browser without a registration. I had a little server with apache, but now... i think he need a bit to relax. Thanks you in advance Michele Renda Gmail... Old school is to mail it to yourself... new school is to use a program that mails it to yourself: http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html Gmail Filesystem provides a mountable Linux filesystem which uses your Gmail account as its storage medium. Gmail Filesystem is a Python application and uses the FUSE http://fuse.sourceforge.net userland filesystem infrastructure to help provide the filesystem, and libgmail http://libgmail.sourceforge.net to communicate with Gmail. GmailFS supports most file operations such as read, write, open, close, stat, symlink, link, unlink, truncate and rename. This means that you can use all your favourite unix command line tools to operate on files stored on Gmail (e.g. cp, ls, mv, rm, ln, grep etc. etc.). -- Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QTE] better kernel?
Hi, I used so far the uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin , it works ok , except the battery icon animates like is being charged (this happens when I boot the FR, I could fix this, by connecting the charger for 1-2 sec). Today, I tried the uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-b72d8b4c5b7173a1.bin, the battery icon is stable, but the PM crashes when I go to the power settings. (as I see, I cannot even change the brightness) So, is there any kernel that works ok with the QTE 4.4.2 ? thx chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QTE--better-kernel--tp2258618p2258618.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
GMailFS is for private use. He can't upload files to that and let anyone else get them without giving his password away. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kustomizer for 2008.12
Thanks. I am going to try this tomorrow. Rakshat On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi! I wrote a script to install all kinds of cool stuff to a clean 2008.12 installation on Freerunner. For more information: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/kustomizer-for-openmoko-200812 The script itself is at http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/kustomizer Feel free to try play improve it! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kustomizer for 2008.12
A question : is it ok to run it on SHR unstable ? Won't it break anything ? thanks for your share Kimaidou 2009/2/2 rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com Thanks. I am going to try this tomorrow. Rakshat On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi! I wrote a script to install all kinds of cool stuff to a clean 2008.12 installation on Freerunner. For more information: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/kustomizer-for-openmoko-200812 The script itself is at http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/kustomizer Feel free to try play improve it! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Christopher J. White ch...@grierwhite.com writes: On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 13:33 +0100, joa...@verona.se wrote: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com writes: joa...@verona.se a écrit : usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 79 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 80 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 81 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 81, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 82 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 82, error -71 hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 I had this happen last week, seemed to occur when it was completely dead, plugged into the wall, gained some charge and then auto-booted. The only remedy was to reboot the FR, then it worked fine. (FYI - I'm running Debian with Qi). Well, I've tried different wires, different distributions, etc. I'm starting to suspect the host OS, but I'm not sure how to verify it. ...cj ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly on screen keyboard
Hi Could you please tell us how to install it on Hackable ? And how to use it as the default keyboard pressing Aux ? In your first mail, you described a opkg installation. Thanks Kimaidou 2009/2/2 kris Occhipinti metalx2...@gmail.com Does anyone have any feedback on my keyboard? Good things, Bad Things? So far I haven't seen another keyboard that is as easy to use with your fingers, But I haven't really gotten any feedback from others who have used it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
arne anka wrote: There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. i, on the other hand, recall lots of reports of corrupted reiser filesystems. so, what does it prove? exactly to end this fruitless debate i proposed the phrase opinions are divided -- over the years i never found any objective, unbiased analysis favouring one over the other. so my understanding is, that they are pretty much equal and the only real point is, what you personally prefer. It's difficult to compare objectively both fs from the angle of reliability/corruption. On this measure I would agree that opinions are divided is a good way to compare them. However, regarding other aspects, namely, performance and space usage, from an engineering point of view I am unhappy with that assessment. It just makes a joke of the technology/profession, really. I know that fs behave differently dependent on file sizes, folder entries and operation, etc, and each one has their own corner cases of optimal/bad behavior. Still, this information can be assessed objectively, and therefore opinions are divided is quite disappointing answer to users. However, has Helge Hafting pointed out, comparisons should really be done on the FR. Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for other criteria. Cheers, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Sun 01 Feb 2009 00:31:09 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:16:57 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: But I think a dictionary format in plain utf8 that includes the normalised words as well as any candidates to display would be the best way. Then the dictionary itself could choose which characters to normalise and which to leave as is. So for Swedish, you can leave å, ä and ö as they are but normalise é, à etc. Searching would be as simple as in your original implementation (no need to convert from multibyte format). the problem is - the dict in utf8 means searching is slow as you do it in utf8 space. the dict is mmaped() to save ram - if it wasnt it'd need to be allocated in non-swappable ram (its a phone - it has no swap) and thus a few mb of your ram goes into the kbd dict at all times. by using mmap you leave it to the kernels paging system to figure it out. so as such a dict change will mean a non-ascii format in future for this reason. but there will then need to be a tool to generate such a file. Searching in utf8 doesn't mean it has to be slow. Simple strcmp works fine on multibyte utf8 strings as well, and should be as fast as the dictionary was before adding multibyte to widechars conversions. But if you have some other idea in mind, please don't let me disturb. =) the problem is - it INSt a simple keyvalue lookup. it's a possible-match tree build on-the-fly. that means you jump about examining 1 character at a time. the problem here is that 1 char may or may not be 1 byte or more and that makes it really nasty. if it were a simple key lookup for a given simple string - life would be easy. this is possible - but then u'd have to generate ALL permutations first then look ALL of them up. if you weed out permutations AS you look them up you can weed out something like 90% of the permutations as you KNOw there are no words starting with qz... so as you go through qa... qs qx... qz... you can easily stop all the combinations with qs, qz ans qx as no words begin with that (if you have an 8 letter word with 8 possible letters per character in the word thats 8^6 lookups you avoided (in the case above - ie all permutations of the other 6 letters). thats 262144 lookups avoided... just there. for... 1 of the above impossible permutation trees. now add it up over all of them. Do you consider this paper relevant? http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/schulz02fast.html Fast String Correction with Levenshtein-Automata, (2002), Klaus Schulz, Stoyan Mihov It actually uses tries to avoid generating and comparing exhaustively all permutations of the input word (typed keys), but instead traverses *only* know words and accumulates permutations unless a max-errors limit gets exceeded, in which case this path dies. It describes a mathematical model for correcting typos, but since i have already implemented it (in java) i know think it can be retrofitted to perform what you describe in: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard Keep up the good work. Kostis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
no route to host
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello there, i've the shr unstable from today and got a problem; i was connected on ssh to my phone and want to test the wifi-connection (so i've got 2 connections, usb and wifi). after i want to connect to wifi, my shell on the computer freeze. so i tried to connect a second time, but there's just a failure-message: skams...@skamster-laptop:~$ ssh r...@192.168.0.202 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host skams...@skamster-laptop:~$ this problem is also there after a reboot. i think, wifi changed something in /etc/interfaces, but i don't know what. does someone know, what i must change to connect with usb to my phone? thanks a lot for ideas, hope, this failure isn't there in the future.. :) greets - -- Vinzenz Hersche Lehrling 2. Lehrjahr Puzzle ITC GmbH www.puzzle.ch Telefon +41 31 370 22 00 Direkt +41 31 370 22 04 Mobile +41 78 845 24 12 Fax +41 31 370 22 01 Puzzle ist Mitglied der Eclipse Foundation: http://www.puzzle.ch/eclipse/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmHMgMACgkQK9d7OHUJmA5neQCgli4bFF4KwFMXarTk7Z18SWMs 8RAAoNkoNR0CDDMg8OCMClEhV8FWmg2D =8GAO -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Vinzenz Hersche n:Hersche;Vinzenz email;internet:hers...@puzzle.ch tel;home:033 336 20 56 tel;cell:077 447 73 74 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
fbpanel dies. was: [debian] zhone not working
please, always answer to the list. On Feb 2, 2009 12:34pm, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: what does your ~/.xsession look like? I copied it from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Matchbox_with_fbpanel #!/bin/sh export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so zhone xsetroot -solid black matchbox-keyboard-toggle matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes # -use_titlebar yes to minimize toggle between apps # fbpanel's taskbar does not work with matchbox-window-manager #~/bin/auxlaunch while true; do fbpanel; sleep 1; done; uh. what does the while loop mean? anyone knows? what happens, when you comment the while loop and simply put fbpanel there? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
Michele Renda ha scritto: On 02/02/2009 10:23, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: How about http://projects.openmoko.org http://savannah.gnu.org I can't use [1] because there are Debian focused package. I can't use [2] because I don't want to open a project, only to publish a package that I only recompiled for FR :) you can use www.opkg.org too (i think) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
If you want to create a site around your packages something like that could be apropriate. http://www.bplaced.net/ But they have the restriction, that you build a small site around your dl-page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
done on the FR. Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for other criteria. It'd be much easier to just punt on the whole issue and say same rules apply as for any other Linux system. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multitouch possible?
I just opened a drawing program and played with it using two fingers. The cursor is always between the fingers, but it depends on how hard you press with each of them. The curve is very specific because of this (oscillates). I think it's possible to detect two finger scrolling and other gestures using just this high level output. 2009/1/27 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl kris Occhipinti wrote: I agree that it is a hardware limitation. But, you never know what some one will come up. One day someone may come up with an idea the rest of us never thought about. Yes, just for the folklore, this reminds me of the old ZX Spectrum console which had only 16 colours until someone figured out that if they switched two colours on a pixel fast enough the eye would perceive the combined colour. A new era of beautiful games started there :-) Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
first FreeRunner Party (in Italy)
info at: http://www.luccalug.it/wiki/Freerunner (sorry, only in italian languages) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow - Usability features
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Maybe using something like a trie [1] to archive the words could help (both for words matching and for compressing the dictionary). Too hard? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trie so back to the trie... the trie would only be useful for the ascii matching - i need something more complex. it just combines the data with the match tree (letters are inline). i need a match tree + lookup table to other matches to display - and possibly several match entries (all the matches to display also need to be in the tree pointing to a smaller match list). Ok, thanks... I got it. However I hope we could have made something that is based on that idea (the trie) but that can be applied to non ascii-chars too. However in the past days I sent you privately also a mail about some issues of the keyboard in latest e17 svn [1], but I got no answer. Maybe the mail wasn't sent correctly?! However I've wrote there also some features that I'd suggest to implement in the Illume keyboard. I'll write them here too to make the community aware: I use the illume keyboard every day and I'm very happy with it as I've said many times in this ML, but sometimes it happens that it performs some unwanted actions like: - I involuntarily click on a suggested word while I'm still typing my word (cause I'm not too precise I tap over a word, instead of a top char). - It happens that I got my keyboard switched while typing (yes, I know that this mainly an hardware-related issue, due to the touchscreen jitters). They seem unrelated, but why not workarounding them by allowing these actions only after a small timeout (i.e. waiting few ms from the latest char pressure)? Generally you never confirm a word or switch keyboard as fast as you type over a char (since typing can be un-precise thanks to the keyboard correction, switching a keyboard or selecting a word must be precise)... And... What about making the horizontal word list (the one over the keys) scrollable [right-left] as the configuration toolbar is? Would it require more computation? I figure that that could improve the usability. Bye. [1] http://i43.tinypic.com/i4il2d.png -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTE] better kernel?
Quoting Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi: Hi, Good luck then, if you like, can you please share the images when reay? Rgrds Chris Right now I'm building qte on fso as per mwester's instructions (i've been struggling with fsomakefile since yesterday). so far, fso is halfway compiled so expect some results tomorrow or maybe on wednesday. regards Tom -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QTE--better-kernel--tp2258618p2259952.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community that was the intended idea ;) however, i cannot guarantee any sort of quality... regards Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Don't like unsolicited calls?
The auto-detect routines that make a human or answering machine determination before switching to an operator seem to fail consistently when answering with my openmoko phone. I'd rather they didn't call at all, but at least when they do you don't have to listen to a sales pitch. A very good thing for sure. Has anyone else noticed this? Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet on the 11th
Yeh, I am up for that. I will bring my 1973 for a bit of nostalgia! John. 2009/2/1 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net: Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about the state of the world/phone? I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name kinda stuck. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2255676.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MyPaint 0.6
Hello to all First of allI want to say thank you to Martin Renold, that has created a very good program to extract the artist inside us :) His program, is called MyPaint, and when I saw it, I thinked direct to Openmoko Freerunner. I found on GetDeb the package for architecture i386 and amd64, prepared by Joao Pinto. I took the .dsc and the tar file, and I compiled with a debuild. The package compiled perfectly on FR whitout any changes, and in a few of minutes I had my .deb for armel4. They did a perfect job :) I tried the application on FR and this was the result: [1] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/2009-02-01-050308_480x640_scrot.png [2] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/2000-02-01-051141_480x640_scrot.png It run pretty well. It is fast enough (in Debian XFCE). If would be nice if someone would make a opkg package. The only problem was the sensitivity of the touchscreen. It happen that when a person put the pen UP the screen continue to think that it is still down. I think it can be fixed by software, but I am not so sure! If you want to try it but you don't want to compile with debuild, here there is the precompiled package: [deb]: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/mypaint_0.6.0-0%7Egetdeb1_armel.deb [tar.gz]: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/mypaint_0.6.0.orig.tar.gz [diff.gz]: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/mypaint_0.6.0-0%7Egetdeb1.diff.gz [dsc]: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/mypaint_0.6.0-0%7Egetdeb1.dsc Best regards Michele Renda Ps. If you reply, do reply all, to keep the cc persons, that are not in ML. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
Michele Renda wrote: Someone know a place where is possible to host some files for free? (Max 10-50 Mb) I need to have a folder where I can put my files, and other people can access via browser without a registration. http://openmoko.spb.ru create new topic example here (http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewforum.php?f=13) and place what you want free forum registr, max file size 500mb, other people can acces withnout registration, but acces for sharing only web(forum) based interface. ONLY for freerunner users!!! ;) If there will be problems address me -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Free-file-hosting-tp2257050p2260411.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
google 'file hosting' gives some results that might help you, for example mediafire.com might work? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com writes: joa...@verona.se a écrit : usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 79 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 80 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 81 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 81, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 82 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 82, error -71 hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 I had this issue before, but only sporadically. Now I get it nearly always. What can I do? Will connecting a network adaptor to the freerunner in host mode be more reliable? You may want to try another USB wire. I recently had device descriptor read/64, error -71 failures with the wire shipped with my USB external hard disk happen with both the hard disk and the FreeRunner. The USB wire shipped with the FreeRunner works with both the hard disk and the FreeRunner; so I suppose this kind of error is the fault of the wire. I tried several wires already. More hints? Best, John Mandereau -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kustomizer for 2008.12
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:06 PM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: A question : is it ok to run it on SHR unstable ? Won't it break anything ? thanks for your share Kimaidou I have no idea but if I'd have to guess I'd say that your SHR will break.. Let me know what happens if you try. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Accerlerom. stop on movement, known issue / only for me?
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:17:02 -0600, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is happening all across the board. Some bug in the kernel. If you just try flashing kernels, you'll probably come across one that doesn't have this sooner or later. I use mwester's kernel, and finally got rid of that bug. (I use SHR, too, it's not a Debian issue) I see, thanks for letting me know! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
On 02/02/2009 10:23, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: How about http://projects.openmoko.org http://savannah.gnu.org I can't use [1] because there are Debian focused package. I can't use [2] because I don't want to open a project, only to publish a package that I only recompiled for FR :) I need only a place where I can put a .deb a .orig.tar.gz or a simple screenshot! Thank you the same for the hints Regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTE] better kernel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | | I used so far the uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin , it works ok , | except the battery icon animates like is being charged (this happens when I | boot the FR, I could fix this, by connecting the charger for 1-2 sec). | | Today, I tried the | uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-b72d8b4c5b7173a1.bin, the battery | icon is stable, but the PM crashes when I go to the power settings. (as I | see, I cannot even change the brightness) | | So, is there any kernel that works ok with the QTE 4.4.2 ? I guess the PM GUI stuff is choking simply because it doesn't know about the new /sys paths in 2.6.28+ for this. There are several known problems in 2.6.24 branch we won't fix that are fixed in andy-tracking. So the recommended path for any distro to get best performance is to uplevel to distro to work with andy-tracking. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmHbUQACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpwWgCfdMUJMRmuBAOqm3zwMZn2OanY W7YAn2AW2RMNTt2gBTZcWpCBOV4W6+Bs =Jyut -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kustomizer for 2008.12
Thanks Risto. I really must update that USB logo to something that doesn't get stretched! Joseph 2009/2/2 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: Hi! I wrote a script to install all kinds of cool stuff to a clean 2008.12 installation on Freerunner. For more information: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/kustomizer-for-openmoko-200812 The script itself is at http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/kustomizer Feel free to try play improve it! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
joa...@verona.se a écrit : usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 79 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 80 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 81 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 81, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 82 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 82, error -71 hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 I had this issue before, but only sporadically. Now I get it nearly always. What can I do? Will connecting a network adaptor to the freerunner in host mode be more reliable? You may want to try another USB wire. I recently had device descriptor read/64, error -71 failures with the wire shipped with my USB external hard disk happen with both the hard disk and the FreeRunner. The USB wire shipped with the FreeRunner works with both the hard disk and the FreeRunner; so I suppose this kind of error is the fault of the wire. Best, John Mandereau ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MyPaint 0.6
Hi, Am Montag, den 02.02.2009, 22:26 +0100 schrieb Michele Renda: I tried the application on FR and this was the result: [1] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/2009-02-01-050308_480x640_scrot.png [2] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/562269/MyPaint/2000-02-01-051141_480x640_scrot.png these look as if the FreeRunner’s touch screen actually gives pressure input to the application. Is that really the case? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MyPaint 0.6
On 02/02/2009 23:05, Joachim Breitner wrote: these look as if the FreeRunner’s touch screen actually gives pressure input to the application. Is that really the case? I read from [1] it support pressure input and on some tables it run. But I don't know if really FR is able to give pressure indication to MyPaint. [1] http://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Sound on calls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I meant the second latest one posted on http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ | which is uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_f2d78193eae5dccd.bin | | On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 19:27 +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote: | . | Do you mean second latest commit in openmoko git or some Debian | repository kernel? Which commit exactly? I'd like to test out 2.6.29 | but the sound problem is preventing it currently. | Alsa changed the names of mixer elements in 2.6.29 so they don't match with the state files. I found the source of the problem yesterday and Michael Trimarchi has sent a patch thismorning to re-truncate them again for now, which I'm testing. I'll update the files at that URL again assuming it solves it. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmGvlkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo+1wCdHJBS8WYdYVJHPSVG/UScLKCf 2JQAmwTSj3MGHWA/8Vg+7dqBHTsEUel4 =i4xl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kustomizer for 2008.12
Hi! I wrote a script to install all kinds of cool stuff to a clean 2008.12 installation on Freerunner. For more information: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/kustomizer-for-openmoko-200812 The script itself is at http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/kustomizer Feel free to try play improve it! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAIKT - Yet Another Illume Keyboard Thread
Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi all! I'm using the illume keyboard on my OM2008.12 powered Freerunner. I have created my own keyboard layouts that perfectly fit to my needs: 1. qwerty without any special characters - Finger friendly illume-keyboards-numbers-alt http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html 2. Numbers and most special chars - Finger friendly 3. Full-featured notebook-like with all the crap you never need - Stylus friendly you can take this one as inspiration illume-keyboards-dutch-nl http://www.opkg.org/package_87.html the characters with diacritics are optimised for dutch language according to character histograms but it is perfect for stylus ful feature work. When using my FR as on the go, I constantly need the first two layouts. And I have to switch quite often beween them but I never use the third one. When I'm at home and fiddle around with lots of terminals and stuff like that, it happens that I need the third layout. But then, I have a stylus. The problem now is, that when I'm writing a message using my thumb and switch between the different layouts I need to slide the keyboard up once to switch from the qwerty layout to the numbers but I have to slide up twice to get back to the qwerty one. This is because I have to hop over the full-featured layout that I cannot use with my fingers. The idea is this: It would be great to be able to define if a layout should be addressed when sliding the finger up. This way, only the finger-friendly keyboards would be visible when using the FR only with your fingers. When using a stylus one could still open the terminal-keyboard using the menu on the upper right of the keyboard. This could be done by defining a property in the keyboard file just like for example the property for enabling/disabling the dictionary. IMHO this is not the ultra-mind-blowing idea, but would be a little step closer to the worlds best on-screen-keyboard. What do you think? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
Dropbox is the way to go. Believe me. Even if you have KDE, it's no problem (I do almost all file management by CLI anyways) as the GUI frontend just prettys it up a bit. The daemon runs fine, regardless of DE. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian ] Bluetooth
Davide Scaini wrote: @Niel I installed bluez-utils, my /etc/modules has correctly the needed bluetooth modules, but trying to switching it up i get no answers searching for devices... Do you have any idea why? what bluetooth hardware are you trying to connect to ? I can only state the obvious, but make sure your bluetooth device is 'looking' for a connection request, usually designated by a big red button. If all else fails, look at linux hardware compatibility lists. bluetooth connectivity is not necessarily specific to openmoko or the fr. - Niel @NANoo 'yes, i only had to enable bluetooth in the settings-menu and run manually hcid' could you please be more specific? thanks d On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM, dsca...@gmail.com mailto:dsca...@gmail.com wrote: OK, thanks for your tips i'll give a try and then feedback. the wiki is lacky... d On 1/21/09, Niel Drummond niel.drumm...@grumpytoad.org mailto:niel.drumm...@grumpytoad.org wrote: dsca...@gmail.com mailto:dsca...@gmail.com wrote: i followed the wiki but with no result... do you have any tip or favourite application to let it work? I think I picked the pieces together from various google searches - you probably need to install bluez and family of programs: apt-cache search bluez I then used 'hcitool' to connect. I found this in my rc.local, so I guess it was also necessary: echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset hidd --search there is probably a lot more I could do to make it secure... you will probably also want to look into a custom keymap - 'loadkeys', 'showkey', 'xev' and 'xmodmap' helped there. my only niggle at the moment is the X mappings seem a little jittery, not sure if that comes from updates or just me tweaking the wrong switch :-| - Niel thanks d On 1/21/09, Niel Drummond niel.drumm...@grumpytoad.org mailto:niel.drumm...@grumpytoad.org wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com mailto:dsca...@gmail.com writes: is there someone with a working bluetooth!?? Yes, worked for me with the packaged kernel. yes, I am running debian with the dinovo mini logitech keyboard. it works flawlessly, thinking about strapping the phone to the back cover of the keyboard. - Niel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet on the 11th
Gothnet wrote: Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about the state of the world/phone? I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name kinda stuck. This plan does, of course, rely on the snow stopping at some point. It's years since I've seen this much snow. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2257359.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAIKT - Yet Another Illume Keyboard Thread
Thanks for your reply. But I think you misunderstood me. I already have created my keyboards and use them since over a month now. In fact, they are very similar to the ones you have posted but optimized for german text. Anyways, this thread should discuss the slide-up-to-switch-layout functionality but not the layouts itself. On Monday 02 February 2009 12:19:06 Pander wrote: Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi all! I'm using the illume keyboard on my OM2008.12 powered Freerunner. I have created my own keyboard layouts that perfectly fit to my needs: 1. qwerty without any special characters - Finger friendly illume-keyboards-numbers-alt http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html 2. Numbers and most special chars - Finger friendly 3. Full-featured notebook-like with all the crap you never need - Stylus friendly you can take this one as inspiration illume-keyboards-dutch-nl http://www.opkg.org/package_87.html the characters with diacritics are optimised for dutch language according to character histograms but it is perfect for stylus ful feature work. When using my FR as on the go, I constantly need the first two layouts. And I have to switch quite often beween them but I never use the third one. When I'm at home and fiddle around with lots of terminals and stuff like that, it happens that I need the third layout. But then, I have a stylus. The problem now is, that when I'm writing a message using my thumb and switch between the different layouts I need to slide the keyboard up once to switch from the qwerty layout to the numbers but I have to slide up twice to get back to the qwerty one. This is because I have to hop over the full-featured layout that I cannot use with my fingers. The idea is this: It would be great to be able to define if a layout should be addressed when sliding the finger up. This way, only the finger-friendly keyboards would be visible when using the FR only with your fingers. When using a stylus one could still open the terminal-keyboard using the menu on the upper right of the keyboard. This could be done by defining a property in the keyboard file just like for example the property for enabling/disabling the dictionary. IMHO this is not the ultra-mind-blowing idea, but would be a little step closer to the worlds best on-screen-keyboard. What do you think? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Im currently unable to get usb networking working with the freerunner: I get this nearly everytime I connect the freerunner: usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 79 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 80 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 81 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 81, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 82 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 82, error -71 hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 I had this issue before, but only sporadically. Now I get it nearly always. What can I do? Will connecting a network adaptor to the freerunner in host mode be more reliable? -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTE] better kernel?
Quoting Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi: Hi, I used so far the uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin , it works ok , except the battery icon animates like is being charged (this happens when I boot the FR, I could fix this, by connecting the charger for 1-2 sec). Today, I tried the uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-b72d8b4c5b7173a1.bin, the battery icon is stable, but the PM crashes when I go to the power settings. (as I see, I cannot even change the brightness) So, is there any kernel that works ok with the QTE 4.4.2 ? thx chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QTE--better-kernel--tp2258618p2258618.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I've been using mwester's unstable kernel (since i don't suffer from WSOD) and so far everything works good (except wifi). suspend and brightness work reliably. the only flakey point is calls, since sometimes it won't answer properly and will register missed calls after every incoming call Right now I'm building qte on fso as per mwester's instructions (i've been struggling with fsomakefile since yesterday). so far, fso is halfway compiled so expect some results tomorrow or maybe on wednesday. regards Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Maybe we could setup some kind of map where you could register, so if someone wants to try a FR it would be easier to find someone close? Here it is: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=115352610340426907999.000461ec26b35ac3fad63z=17 I've already entered the daily location of my FR including it's version and distro. Everyone is allowed to view and edit it. Regards thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
Thanks a lot MQY
This works great with all the apps using the grey theme. But, for the apps
using the golden theme, it does not. (eg Contacts). Could you please tell
me how to change the scrollbar size for this them too ?
Thanks a lot, it is improving SHR finger friendlyness a lot
2009/2/1 mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com
A temp solution is:
create file .gtkrc-2.0 in use home dir, and add the following contents:
style scroll
{
GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 25
}
class * style scroll
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[paroli] update week 6/09
Hi all, in the good tradition of weekly updates we will try to to get back on track of keeping you posted on current developments in the paroli and GUI section. For the code base of paroli(d) the past weeks development has been focused on the core on the one hand and finishing the first set of design files on the other. biggest changes: - a launcher was introduced allowing the launching of paroli-applications from within paroli itself - the dbus interface is optional and both modes should work - closing application windows from within the window-manager does not kill the process anymore - introduction of a preliminary audio service allowing to mute calls (a test service for non-fso environments was also added) - a reworked version of the dialer was added - works on an error-message service have begun - works on a service checking for changes in the fso have begun and many small fixes in the code for more info go to http://www.paroli-project.org (also check our api section at http://www.paroli-project.org/api/ ) Hoping that the core offers everything we need for now, we hope to be able to focus our attention on the applications again. Main points here are the integration of opimd, a more resource efficient list generation as well as more a more generic and reusable code-base in the apps. /mirko website: http://www.paroli-project.org bug tracker: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac source: http://git.paroli-project.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] no route to host
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:49:00 +0100, Vinzenz Hersche hers...@puzzle.ch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello there, i've the shr unstable from today and got a problem; i was connected on ssh to my phone and want to test the wifi-connection (so i've got 2 connections, usb and wifi). after i want to connect to wifi, my shell on the computer freeze. so i tried to connect a second time, but there's just a failure-message: skams...@skamster-laptop:~$ ssh r...@192.168.0.202 ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host skams...@skamster-laptop:~$ this problem is also there after a reboot. i think, wifi changed something in /etc/interfaces, but i don't know what. does someone know, what i must change to connect with usb to my phone? thanks a lot for ideas, hope, this failure isn't there in the future.. :) greets Wifi /shouldn't/ touch /etc/network/interfaces, usually the only programs that will ever try to alter it are network managers. What procedure did you use when trying to bring up wifi? I've previously used ifup eth0 from console or terminal, but with newest SHR (Jan31 or so opkg upgrade) there IS NO ETH0 most of the time, resulting in No such device errors. Also note that if you've been connecting and disconnecting the FR from the host computer many times since the host was rebooted it may have problems. Initially my usb0 was the third network device (the '3' in the first column above) on my host, but currently it's 12. I've seen it get too high before and only a reboot of the host would allow it to connect again. (sorry, I don't remember where it started failing - IIRC it was at 32 but don't shoot me if that's way off) I recently encountered the same problem - unplug from USB, power-cycle freerunner wait for boot to finish, plug in USB, wait 5 secs, unplug USB, wait 5 secs, plug back in, and I had a connection. (I don't know if it's the FR or Ubuntu but if I boot or reboot the FR while attached to USB it usually doesn't connect until unplugged and re-attached, so I'm already used to unplug/wait/replug) If that fails, then reboot the FR, open the terminal on the FR and check the output of ip a s usb0 - allowing for the randomly-selected MAC address, it should look pretty much like: 3: usb0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 22:7d:18:7d:5a:a8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.0.202/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global usb0 inet6 fe80::207d:18ff:fe7d:5aa8/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever and ip r should show you: 192.168.0.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.0.202 default via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 Presuming that's correct, do the same on the host computer, which should at least show interfaces usb0, though it may be down or have no IP address at this point. If it's down, try ifup usb0 on the host (root or sudo) or ip l s usb0 up and take a look at the data again. If the interface is up on the host but has no IP, try ip a a 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 (again, root or sudo) and see if you can connect. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Sound on calls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | I meant the second latest one posted on http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ | | which is uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_f2d78193eae5dccd.bin | | | | On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 19:27 +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote: | | . | | Do you mean second latest commit in openmoko git or some Debian | | repository kernel? Which commit exactly? I'd like to test out 2.6.29 | | but the sound problem is preventing it currently. | | | | Alsa changed the names of mixer elements in 2.6.29 so they don't match | with the state files. I found the source of the problem yesterday and | Michael Trimarchi has sent a patch thismorning to re-truncate them again | for now, which I'm testing. | | I'll update the files at that URL again assuming it solves it. It worked fine here so it should be solved on the updated moredrivers image in there now. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmGyzcACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpuLwCeL3sde6lQL5PgdR9p5yz1BX5i gq8AnjRI/srsTAVr950g9ihHXwPQyxz2 =qYBo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Tschaka wrote: and especially thanks to sarton, who was not only telling me to get this phone or not, but also gave a somewhat realistic opinion on some doubts and things that won't work up to now or for rather unadvanced users. You somehow made me not wanting the FR as my first phone, but as a second phone + testing plattform with which i could have fun, as long as this isn't my only phone in certain circumstances. My pleasure. I think this is the best state of mind for a current freerunner owner as it will be more likely you will contribute and understand the issues rather than feel they are something preventing you from getting on with life :) ... I think it's best to fit the FR in where it's best suited at this point in time rather than trying to make it a replacement for anything. Or even better, make it something unique. It's good to see someone understand the situation and be optimistic. That's what is needed most. In saying that, I do use mine as my daily phone, usually with great success. I'm a lazy, VPNed to the hilt sys admin. If the FR can't manage to take a call while I'm at the cafe I'm not fussed ;) ... it can actually be an awesome excuse ... hehe Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Accerlerom. stop on movement, known issue / only for me?
Yeah, this is happening all across the board. Some bug in the kernel. If you just try flashing kernels, you'll probably come across one that doesn't have this sooner or later. I use mwester's kernel, and finally got rid of that bug. (I use SHR, too, it's not a Debian issue) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAIKT - Yet Another Illume Keyboard Thread
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:55:12 +0100, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: Hi all! I'm using the illume keyboard on my OM2008.12 powered Freerunner. I have created my own keyboard layouts that perfectly fit to my needs: The problem now is, that when I'm writing a message using my thumb and switch between the different layouts I need to slide the keyboard up once to switch from the qwerty layout to the numbers but I have to slide up twice to get back to the qwerty one. This is because I have to hop over the full-featured layout that I cannot use with my fingers. Just checking - are you aware that you should be able to slide down as well? if you have three keyvboard layouts defined, the 'other two' are always a single stroke away, up or down. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly on screen keyboard
Does anyone have any feedback on my keyboard? Good things, Bad Things? So far I haven't seen another keyboard that is as easy to use with your fingers, But I haven't really gotten any feedback from others who have used it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] compiling e17 for freerunner
unfortunately i have left my fr at home and now I'm away for a whole week... so I'm not able to give you an answer right now. I'm using a script found in this list... it should fulfill the dependancies on his own. Next weekend or next week i'll be able to give you more details, thanks for your help! d On 2/1/09, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Davide Scaini wrote: ...thanks mike, but i tried your all old packages with no success... i'll try this ones then i'll give you feedback. Can you precise which bug? thanks Robert and Mike d it was in ewl_engine_evas_fb.c in: if (ev-double_click) clicks = 2; if (ev-triple_click) clicks = 3; What's you problem about the packages? May be you are missing some dependencies? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--compiling-e17-for-freerunner-tp2253551p2254569.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: London pub meet on the 11th
john wrote: Yeh, I am up for that. I will bring my 1973 for a bit of nostalgia! John. 2009/2/1 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net: Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about the state of the world/phone? I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name kinda stuck. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/London-pub-meet-on-the-11th-tp2255676p2255676.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community also up for that ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: fbpanel dies. was: [debian] zhone not working
On Feb 2, 2009 2:24pm, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: wouldn't it be more sensible to use a better wm, like xfce or lxde? Quite possibly, but as I don't know any of them, I was working my way from the top of the wiki. xfce seems to have some of the same problems, judging from recent mails. And I wanted something as light as possible - that in 2008.x wasn't too bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] opera mini .. ?
Hi all I tried this application on a windows mobile smartphone, and the zoom functionnality is great. I cannot build/package, so this answer is just here to say I am interested. Thanks vale for your feedback Kimaidou 2009/2/1 vale va...@gmx.de Hi i tried this evening to get opera mini working with debian, i somehow managed to get it started, but it gets X to hang after some seconds :( If someone is interested how i got it to work: 1) install openjdk 2) get microemu (http://microemu.org/ , Java implementation of Java ME in Java SE) 3) get opera mini: http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/generic/generic_advanced_midp_2/ 4) unpack microemu, 5) start microemu java -jar microemulator.jar 6) go to Options Select device, click Add..., navigate to microemulator\devices and select microemu-device-resizable.jar 7) select the Resizable device profile you just added and click Set as default 8) click the Resize button in lower right to set the size you want (400x400 seems ok for first tests) 9) go to File Open JAD and choose the Opera Mini jad you previously downloaded 10) Opera Mini now appears in the list of apps you can start by double clicking it 11) it should start installing after some seconds then i get to the bookmarks i can select one and the webpage appears, but after some seconds the system freezes. only killall -9 X helps ;) If someone has an idea to improve performance or knows another java ME implementation, please report :) greetings vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--opera-mini-..---tp2255329p2255329.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 13:33 +0100, joa...@verona.se wrote: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com writes: joa...@verona.se a écrit : usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 79 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 80 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 81 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 81, error -71 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 82 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 82, error -71 hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 I had this happen last week, seemed to occur when it was completely dead, plugged into the wall, gained some charge and then auto-booted. The only remedy was to reboot the FR, then it worked fine. (FYI - I'm running Debian with Qi). ...cj ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. i, on the other hand, recall lots of reports of corrupted reiser filesystems. so, what does it prove? exactly to end this fruitless debate i proposed the phrase opinions are divided -- over the years i never found any objective, unbiased analysis favouring one over the other. so my understanding is, that they are pretty much equal and the only real point is, what you personally prefer. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I know this subject is not too much OM related, but it can help me to distribute software for FR. I have some application for FR I would like to share, and it would be very useful to me. Someone know a place where is possible to host some files for free? (Max 10-50 Mb) I need to have a folder where I can put my files, and other people can access via browser without a registration. I had a little server with apache, but now... i think he need a bit to relax. Thanks you in advance Michele Renda Maybe this - http://www.getdropbox.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] unable to install zhone
On Monday 02 February 2009, Kosa wrote: Hi there, I saw waiting for MS5 to try FSO, but since it's not ready yet I decided to try MS4, but it does not come with any phone SF and I wanted to try zhone, but I just can't. MS4 and MS4.1 both had zhone when I tried them, but you have to pick the correct image as there were 3 types with varying levels of included packages: * openmoko-fso-console-image - no X, just the bits needed to get the framework running without a GUI * openmoko-fso-illume-image - minimal X and illume, but no zhone etc. * openmoko-fso-image - X, illume, zhone and other apps MS4.1 is probably a better choice as it fixed a few bugs in MS4. opkg install zhone complains about libpython version, but versions seems to be ok. The unstable feeds are most of the way to MS5 now, and probably don't provide a clean upgrade path from MS4 any more. Your best bet is to pick the right MS4.1 image above, or wait a few days for MS5. Another option is to use the repository tree at: http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-testing/ipk/ This hasn't been updated for some time, so should still work with MS4. r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install zhone Installing zhone (0.0.2+gitr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/zhone_0.0.2+g itr0+d9d0a80e5444cd24b5e14082bb10e8d2cdd01fe8-r11_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for zhone: * libpython2.5-1.0 (= 2.5.2) * r...@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed |grep libpython libpython2.6-1.0 - 2.6.1-ml0 - r...@om-gta02:~# This happens with fso testing and unstable. fso stable comes with zhone preinstalled, but it fails after opkg upgrade any hints? Thanks in advance. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
YAIKT - Yet Another Illume Keyboard Thread
Hi all! I'm using the illume keyboard on my OM2008.12 powered Freerunner. I have created my own keyboard layouts that perfectly fit to my needs: 1. qwerty without any special characters - Finger friendly 2. Numbers and most special chars - Finger friendly 3. Full-featured notebook-like with all the crap you never need - Stylus friendly When using my FR as on the go, I constantly need the first two layouts. And I have to switch quite often beween them but I never use the third one. When I'm at home and fiddle around with lots of terminals and stuff like that, it happens that I need the third layout. But then, I have a stylus. The problem now is, that when I'm writing a message using my thumb and switch between the different layouts I need to slide the keyboard up once to switch from the qwerty layout to the numbers but I have to slide up twice to get back to the qwerty one. This is because I have to hop over the full-featured layout that I cannot use with my fingers. The idea is this: It would be great to be able to define if a layout should be addressed when sliding the finger up. This way, only the finger-friendly keyboards would be visible when using the FR only with your fingers. When using a stylus one could still open the terminal-keyboard using the menu on the upper right of the keyboard. This could be done by defining a property in the keyboard file just like for example the property for enabling/disabling the dictionary. IMHO this is not the ultra-mind-blowing idea, but would be a little step closer to the worlds best on-screen-keyboard. What do you think? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] Accerlerom. stop on movement, known issue / only for me?
Hello, I remember there was a thread about accelerometers in Debian and I think they should not work correctly. I can't find it any more. So I recently played around with the accelerometers using Debian and found _some_ output from both /dev/input/event2 and event3. It seems not to be realistic what I receive from the hexdump, and when I move the FR the whole Output is stuck. This also happens when I use the python or perl script from the wiki. So I just wanted to check if this is the behavior caused by the accelerometers not working yet? Or are accelerometers in Debian fixed and this is only happening to me? Thanks and best regards, Daniel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Don't like unsolicited calls?
Crane, Matthew wrote: The auto-detect routines that make a human or answering machine determination before switching to an operator seem to fail consistently when answering with my openmoko phone. I'd rather they didn't call at all, but at least when they do you don't have to listen to a sales pitch. A very good thing for sure. Has anyone else noticed this? Surely that's a feature? :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?
W.Kenworthy wrote: I have to disagree here - because my own opinion is that ext2/3 are not the best for every purpose, and are demonstrably a poor choice for OSM maps on an SD card for instance. Last I heard reiserfs3 is still being maintained, and it has some real advantages for OSM maps (reiserfs doesnt have inode limits like ext2/3 does), and is much faster (against ext3). The reason you give if Faster is definitely an advantage. Has this been measured on a freerunner? Disk access characteristics and cpu power is very different from a pc. Inode limits is a non-issue though. If you know in advance what you will use the filesystem for, then this lets you make an informed choice about what filesystem to use. It also lets you create a ext2/ext3 filesystem with enough inodes from the start. mkfs lets you specify an exact number of inodes, a ratio of inodes to blocks, or optimize for small file storage depending on how detailed one wants to be. There is a certain amount of YMMV with file system choices depending on your usage scenarios, but personally I would really like to use reiserfs and dump ext2/3 and all the problems they cause on the FR (lost data/corrupted filesystems, slow performance, ...) that I have. Go ahead and use it. We can all be different - one of the better sides of this phone. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAIKT - Yet Another Illume Keyboard Thread
On Monday 02 February 2009 12:25:46 Joel Newkirk wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:55:12 +0100, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: Hi all! I'm using the illume keyboard on my OM2008.12 powered Freerunner. I have created my own keyboard layouts that perfectly fit to my needs: The problem now is, that when I'm writing a message using my thumb and switch between the different layouts I need to slide the keyboard up once to switch from the qwerty layout to the numbers but I have to slide up twice to get back to the qwerty one. This is because I have to hop over the full-featured layout that I cannot use with my fingers. Just checking - are you aware that you should be able to slide down as well? if you have three keyvboard layouts defined, the 'other two' are always a single stroke away, up or down. Sliding down results in a Enter keypress here... Only sliding up changes the layout. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:43:39 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new dictionary format is realized. It is ok if typing for suggests fôr as an alternative, but før should not come up unless the user types f ø r. In which case o must not be suggested... ok - how do you romanise norwegian then? example. in german ö - oe, ü - ue, ß - ss, etc. - there is a set of romanisation rules that can convert any such char to 1 or more roman letters. i was hoping to be even more lenient with ö - o being valid too for the lazy :) japanese has romanisation rules - so does chinese... norwegian must (eg æ - ae for example). Usually, one doesn't romanize Norwegian. There are some rules: æ-ae, ø-oe, å-aa. They are next to useless, because ae and oe occur naturally in many words where æ or ø does not belong, and these double vowels are pronounced differently as well. A Norwegian seeing oe in a word may be able to figure out if this means ø or if it really is supposed to be oe, but this may need a context of several words. And it looks funny/wrong - similar to how it looks silly transcribing x as ks and write ksylophone. oh thats not bad! then it's just like english! (you get used to the vague insanity of it all sooner or later!) :) but seriously - if your name is nønæn, and you move to japan, and have to fill out a form for your bank account name - they will see the ø and æ and go ummm. we can't do that - can you please use normal roman text? Sure, in that case, it is ø-oe, æ-ae and å-aa. (Or some will go ø-o and å-a because their name looks less mangled that way.) While this may be ok for opening a bank account in japan, it is not something ordinary people will want to consider for typing text messages on a phone. Simple phones have had æøå in the T9 system for ages. (with æ and å on the same key as a, and ø on the same key as o) [...] just like my example above - but i guess i was being stricter. the stodgey old banking system isn't going to go adapt like modern sports data systenms. its go roman - or go home. :) Sure. I just hope the freerunner doesn't evolve into a stodgey old thing as far as keyboards are considered. Looks like it doesn't, so I'll be fine. :-) [...] hmm. how interesting. i have always been baffled why there is a UK qwerty layout vs US - thre UK is the only place that uses it... all other english speaking countries i know use US qwerty (and if UK qwerty was nicely killed off.. it wouldn't need to be US qwerty - just qwerty) :) Surely this is because of the £-sign? (And € too, in later standards.) I don't think they are ready to give up the pound. ok - but there is a way to do this. when stuck on your friends pc when visiting them in california, and they dont have compose-modes enabled... how do you type æ and ø etc. that was basically the q - there must be some accepted mechanism for decimation/conversion. seemingly it's the obvious: æ - ae, ø - o etc. My preferred way is to open a webpage and paste the special characters I need. These days, any pc seems to support æøå even if the keyboard itself doesn't. In a situation where æøå cannot be entered (such as the sms app in SHR which erroneously filter out non-ascii), I write my sentences very carefully avoiding these letters. For I don't want to spell wrong deliberately, not even transcriptions. Those that care a lot less about spelling use more transcriptions - and might even use transcriptions on a phone that has æøå, because their phone is badly adapted to Norwegian and have æøå in weird places. (Because the manufacturers aren't really into adding a couple of extra _hardware_ keys.) Software keyboards are great! Excellent! So if I have a wordlist and make a keyboard, then a dictionary can be synthesized so there will be no unnecessary confusion between o and ø, because both letters exists as keys? correct. as long as the dict matching doesnt drop extra info - ie normalize o - ø. currently it does. but the rest o the code doesn't. it's just the dict matching engine - which as we have been discussing... needs work. :) The dictionary file problably need to have some metadata anyway - such as what language it is for. It could also have a list of what non-ascii letters to use as-is. And assume standard romanization rules for the rest. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Tschaka wrote: So, again somebody is asking a question about usabilty. Please don't get me wrong, i actually browsed the mailing lists and wikis, but still there are some unsure things, and i'd like to have a bit more of a summarization. [...] I use the freerunner as may daily (and only) mobile phone. I use the SHR distribution, image dated 16.dec. This is stable, and several important features work well: * call and receive calls, get a log of missed calls. * send and receive sms. (Some problems - you can only send sms to a number, not a contact. But this is being fixed. Also, you can't receive more messages than will fit on the SIM card - there is not yet message storage in the filesystem. My SIM card seems to fill up when it stores 10 messages or so - but no big problem for me. * gps, mostly for openstreetmap. This works really well! * playing music. Some tweaks to a config file, and this part works well too. Things that are cool but not so much used: * Accelerometers. Openmoocow is great for showing off. And I once used gwaterpas to hang a picture straight. * Voice navigation. Works, but I use the maps mostly to find places that aren't mapped yet so I can improve them. Stuff that doesn't work well yet: * Wifi. I can connect at work - and speed is much better than usb networking. But it dies after an hour or so - and don't come back until reboot. It doesn't work at home at all. This may be better with a newer kernel, but newer kernels needs a newer version of the distribution - which hasn't stabilized yet at this moment of writing. Or so it seems. * Suspend. Well, suspend works, and the phone wake up if called. But it doesn't bother waking up to process an incoming sms. And the gps seems to be broken after suspend - so I don't use it. This obviusly cut battery time for me. Newer kernels are expected to be much better, and wakeup on sms will probably happen. (When suspend is needed, reboot in order to make the gps work again.) * Games. Not that important, but can be fun. But most games are kind of laggy, responding too late. Maybe the slow graphichs is to blame, maybe upcoming accelerated xglamo will help. 1st) Battery Power sometimes i'm at university from 9am to 10pm 6 days a week. I'm often browsing mobile news pages with my phone when going to university, or having a chat (XMPP of course!), approx 40 minutes a day. In the meantime i'm listening to music. I got no actual watch, so my phone is my watch, means i often activate the background light to get to know the time. I'm sending like 1-5 messages a day, having a phone call now and then. Now and then i would like to access the web via wifi. This might be a problem. The phone can last a day even without suspend - if it isn't used much. It gets better if you let it suspend. But hours of music will simply use up the battery. :-( It will last a few hours with the gps on too, the gps eats power also. Don't know if the gps itself is power hungry, or if it is the simple fact that it wakes the cpu each second to report location. (And me spending too much time looking at the excellently displayed maps.) So, since i'm not able to plug the phone to a power source at university, would i be able to run it the whole day, without getting out of battery power after 10 hours? The phone works for me because I can charge it everywhere. I have a car charger, most cheap usb car chargers will work. There is a web page with a list if you want to be sure you get a good one. This so I can keep the gps on on long trips. At home and at work I connect the phone to the USB plug on a pc. I hardly every use the supplied wall charger because there is usually some pc available and the cable is easy to carry. If the pc is prepared for it, you get flawless (but somewhat slow) networking through usb too. If the pc aren't prepared at all, then it will still charge the phone. And, will there be a (software) fix (soon) for the issue, that the battery gets uncharged, even if plugged in, as soon as the battery is fully charged? (i got no problem charging the phone every night, but when it's fully charged at 2am, it would have been running 7 hours on battery power by my arrival at university, so the battery would be low sooner) This is only a question of programming - definitely fixeable. 2) Calls As i'm sometimes having a phone call (huh, surprise), i would like to know, if the echo, and especially the buzzing issue will be fixed soon. I read, the echo was fixed in FSO/SHR already, but regarding the buzz i read the mailing list, but there i didnt feel i got a reliable answer(sorry for Echo is fixed in software, the buzz must be fixed with hardware. You may wait for the release of a buzz-free gta02. It will probably not be long, now that they have published a buzz-fix that they can apply in production. Or find some way of having it fixed. An electronics repair shop or
Re: powerbudget of freerunner?
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes: joa...@verona.se writes: I would like to calculate how large battery capacity I need to have all the subsystems running(wifi, gps, gsm, bluetooth) + an external 3g modem. I would like to have 24h continuous uptime without suspend. (if i need a car battery to do it, so be it :) $ wget http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/energy2.txt$ cut -d' ' -f6 energy2.txt | sort -n | tail -n1 896437 shows that the largest peak consumption I have ever hit is 900 mA (voltage is around 4.3 V). $ grep Discharging energy2.txt | cut -d' ' -f6 | grep ^[1-9] a $ gnuplot gnuplot set terminal dumb gnuplot plot a 90 ++-+-+--+-+--+--+-+--+-+-A+ + + + + + + + + + a + A AA+ 80 ++ A++ | A | 70 ++ A++ | A | | A | 60 ++ A++ | A | 50 ++ A++ | AA | 40 ++AA ++ | | 30 ++AA ++ | | | | 20 ++ AA++ | AA | 10 ++ AA ++ + + + + + + + + + + 0 AAA+-+--+-+--+--+-+--+-+-++ 0 500 1000 1500 2000 2500 3000 3500 4000 4500 5000 shows that the normal consumption in my use is around 300 mA. Fantastic answer, thanks! -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Sarton O'Brien wrote: There really are some moments I can't help but giggle about ... but that's me and I know I have a wierd sense of humour :) Well, there was that time in October (when I was in Australia for a month on holiday) and I had the FR with FDOM as my only phone. It woke up and rang twice, I answered, no sound. Unrecognised number, could be important so... I called them back, no sound. I rebooted the phone. Wouldn't register GSM for ages. They called back. i hit pick up too many times and the presses registered against the hang-up button when it appeared. This happened again. Then the battery started to go. After about two hours of trying to call them back, I eventually sent a text message to the other party, and it turns out it was a wrong number. D'oh! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Questions-about-the-usability-of-GTA02-tp2249982p2257735.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fbpanel dies. was: [debian] zhone not working
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:08:57 +0100, jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2009 2:00pm, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: uh. what does the while loop mean? anyone knows? what happens, when you comment the while loop and simply put fbpanel there? It allows you to reconfigure the window manager, kill it with killall fbpanel and see the results immediately good lord! wouldn't it be more sensible to use a better wm, like xfce or lxde? i don't know fbpanel, but maybe it has some options to enable verbosity? oh, and check ~/.xession-errors for informative messages. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free file hosting
On 02/02/2009 11:05, Margo Koppelmann wrote: Maybe this - http://www.getdropbox.com/ I just was here, The client is opensource, it ia available for Ubuntu too, and the site is nice and fast. It also permit to share a folder. For me is perfect! Thank you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fbpanel dies. was: [debian] zhone not working
On Feb 2, 2009 2:00pm, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: uh. what does the while loop mean? anyone knows? what happens, when you comment the while loop and simply put fbpanel there? It allows you to reconfigure the window manager, kill it with killall fbpanel and see the results immediately Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] zhone not working
I can start fbpanel from a terminal, but it doesn't start automatically. what does your ~/.xsession look like? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release
Hello. The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to present the fifth milestone release codenamed 'Calling All Stations' Coming from a GSM monitor interface going over support for up to 5 new modem chipsets to small and big bug fixes we reached the next release. If you like to know more details read them here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_6 Special thanks for all the patches we got from the community. Keep up the good work guys. The only thing that made me a bit sad is that we don't have the images for EZX ready in time. It will come, just late. No more words from our side. Grab it while it's hot, have fun and happy hacking. http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/ regards The FSO Team ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Am Sunday 01 February 2009 16:37:11 schrieb Stroller: On 31 Jan 2009, at 22:53, arne anka wrote: The one thing I find absent in every design is a plain old phone keypad. Maybe a slider design to pull it out from underneath or such like. probably not what om likes -- but consider buying an unlocked g1 (android). with the android sources available virtually every distribution available for the fr should run on it, too. I would love to see SHR running on the G1. Me too, since that means FSO would support it :) We are having an eye on the progress of freeing the G1, but I don't think there has been a breakthrough yet. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02
Very well written, thanks. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: www.opkg.org - Repository Alpha
2009/2/2 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: It looks like that I can't install the following packages over the repository. Installing with opkg install http://opkg.org/foobar works better: I've tried opkg update before the installation so that shouldn't be a problem. Cannot find: zomg mofi xmahjongg segfault if tried to install over the repository: xlogical wireshark swedish-illume Can anyone confirm and maybe solve? yeah, i'm having problems too. i tried: opkg install osmupdater after adding the repo line to a new conf file, running opkg update (worked fine, no errors), and got error 2, which i believe is 'not found' oh, and when i do it manually, it fails cos the version of python-elementary is too old, needs =37681, not version 325 any help, please? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release
sorry this message is for the list too ;P 2009/2/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com: bravo, awesome work guys.downloading a willing to take a look, I have some presentations this months in some universities and in one are very interested in dbus development :) comiing with this milestone 5 surely will makes them happy :) 2009/2/3 Stefan Schmidt ste...@openmoko.org: Hello. The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to present the fifth milestone release codenamed 'Calling All Stations' Coming from a GSM monitor interface going over support for up to 5 new modem chipsets to small and big bug fixes we reached the next release. If you like to know more details read them here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_6 Special thanks for all the patches we got from the community. Keep up the good work guys. The only thing that made me a bit sad is that we don't have the images for EZX ready in time. It will come, just late. No more words from our side. Grab it while it's hot, have fun and happy hacking. http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/ regards The FSO Team ___ devel mailing list de...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Milestone 5?
just released :) 2009/2/2 Richy klemms...@gmail.com: It's three days late and there are 6 tickets to go. I bet they are hard working on it. Just a few more days I hope. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [paroli] update week 6/09
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 18:11 -0500, Joel Newkirk wrote: SHR-unstable, 01/29, paroli downloaded 01/31 or 02/01: root INFO read config file ./paroli.cfg root INFO read config file /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg root INFO read config file /home/root/.paroli/paroli.cfg root INFO init gui root WARNING can't use backend paroli : No module named etk root WARNING can't use backend csdl : No module named gui root WARNING can't use backend sdl : No module named guip Traceback (most recent call last): File ./paroli, line 146, in module tichy.init_gui(None) File ../paroli-core/tichy/__init__.py, line 71, in init_gui import guip ImportError: No module named guip What is missing? Hello Joel, In your case, etk is missing. The error is confusing because when it failed to import the etk backend, paroli then tried to use other eventual graphic backends, but only the edje/etl backend is supported now, so we need to remove this part of the code. you need to install all python e binding (etk, evas, edje, ecore). If you have a neo you can find them with opkg, if you try paroli on the desktop, then you need to get them from the enlightenment website (see the INSTALL file [0] of paroli for more info) -Guillaume charlie [0] http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sho milestone 5 actally gives me hope
i can tap type into a working terminal. seemingly no access to wifi (no iwconfig, or ipconfig) it doesn't seem to like my uSD card. not at all sure why. have to pull it and look at it in another computer -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:39:52 +0200 Kostis Anagnostopoulos ankos...@gmail.com said: On Sun 01 Feb 2009 00:31:09 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:16:57 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: But I think a dictionary format in plain utf8 that includes the normalised words as well as any candidates to display would be the best way. Then the dictionary itself could choose which characters to normalise and which to leave as is. So for Swedish, you can leave å, ä and ö as they are but normalise é, à etc. Searching would be as simple as in your original implementation (no need to convert from multibyte format). the problem is - the dict in utf8 means searching is slow as you do it in utf8 space. the dict is mmaped() to save ram - if it wasnt it'd need to be allocated in non-swappable ram (its a phone - it has no swap) and thus a few mb of your ram goes into the kbd dict at all times. by using mmap you leave it to the kernels paging system to figure it out. so as such a dict change will mean a non-ascii format in future for this reason. but there will then need to be a tool to generate such a file. Searching in utf8 doesn't mean it has to be slow. Simple strcmp works fine on multibyte utf8 strings as well, and should be as fast as the dictionary was before adding multibyte to widechars conversions. But if you have some other idea in mind, please don't let me disturb. =) the problem is - it INSt a simple keyvalue lookup. it's a possible-match tree build on-the-fly. that means you jump about examining 1 character at a time. the problem here is that 1 char may or may not be 1 byte or more and that makes it really nasty. if it were a simple key lookup for a given simple string - life would be easy. this is possible - but then u'd have to generate ALL permutations first then look ALL of them up. if you weed out permutations AS you look them up you can weed out something like 90% of the permutations as you KNOw there are no words starting with qz... so as you go through qa... qs qx... qz... you can easily stop all the combinations with qs, qz ans qx as no words begin with that (if you have an 8 letter word with 8 possible letters per character in the word thats 8^6 lookups you avoided (in the case above - ie all permutations of the other 6 letters). thats 262144 lookups avoided... just there. for... 1 of the above impossible permutation trees. now add it up over all of them. Do you consider this paper relevant? http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/schulz02fast.html Fast String Correction with Levenshtein-Automata, (2002), Klaus Schulz, Stoyan Mihov It actually uses tries to avoid generating and comparing exhaustively all permutations of the input word (typed keys), but instead traverses *only* know words and accumulates permutations unless a max-errors limit gets exceeded, in which case this path dies. not sure thats that good.. that will drop possible matches - the current scheme walks the tree of known words using the permutation list to pick paths - it wotn follow paths that dont exist, so thats already done. i was just saying that you need the permutation list per letter + walking of the data to be inherently combined. as without that you need to generate every permutation and throw it at a 1 key - value lookup hash. it still uses a trie ( which is a binary tree with the letters inlined as part of the tree struct). :) just reading the abstract tho.. document is 67 pages i have to dig through... It describes a mathematical model for correcting typos, but since i have already implemented it (in java) i know think it can be retrofitted to perform what you describe in: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard sure - can it be implemented so all data is mmaped from files? thats the biggest problem. the first dict for illume (before the current) used a 27-way per node tree - lookups were hyper-fast. but it ate ram. i went to the opposite end where i just mmaped the test file and built a very small 2-level char offset lookup table to avoid ram usage. this isnt that fast - but was ok. i know i could improve the parsing with having it all ucs2 to avoid slower utf8 decomposing and with line jump-tables built into the file it'd avoid scanning a whole line to jump to the next entry when a match fails. as such it's more a matter of just having a fast dict format that can be mmaped and walked easily while spooling off the permutations of chars per letter (and thus being able to spot a match and calculate its relative distance). Keep up the good work. Kostis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:26:50 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:43:39 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new dictionary format is realized. It is ok if typing for suggests fôr as an alternative, but før should not come up unless the user types f ø r. In which case o must not be suggested... ok - how do you romanise norwegian then? example. in german ö - oe, ü - ue, ß - ss, etc. - there is a set of romanisation rules that can convert any such char to 1 or more roman letters. i was hoping to be even more lenient with ö - o being valid too for the lazy :) japanese has romanisation rules - so does chinese... norwegian must (eg æ - ae for example). Usually, one doesn't romanize Norwegian. There are some rules: æ-ae, ø-oe, å-aa. They are next to useless, because ae and oe occur naturally in many words where æ or ø does not belong, and these double vowels are pronounced differently as well. A Norwegian seeing oe in a word may be able to figure out if this means ø or if it really is supposed to be oe, but this may need a context of several words. And it looks funny/wrong - similar to how it looks silly transcribing x as ks and write ksylophone. oh thats not bad! then it's just like english! (you get used to the vague insanity of it all sooner or later!) :) but seriously - if your name is nønæn, and you move to japan, and have to fill out a form for your bank account name - they will see the ø and æ and go ummm. we can't do that - can you please use normal roman text? Sure, in that case, it is ø-oe, æ-ae and å-aa. (Or some will go ø-o and å-a because their name looks less mangled that way.) While this may be ok for opening a bank account in japan, it is not something ordinary people will want to consider for typing text messages on a phone. Simple phones have had æøå in the T9 system for ages. (with æ and å on the same key as a, and ø on the same key as o) [...] sure! yes. thats why i allowed for keys to be 'ø' and 'æ' etc. etc. - already done. i was hoping to have a way of also doing it just with plain qwerty. so there is a way of reducing it :) just like my example above - but i guess i was being stricter. the stodgey old banking system isn't going to go adapt like modern sports data systenms. its go roman - or go home. :) Sure. I just hope the freerunner doesn't evolve into a stodgey old thing as far as keyboards are considered. Looks like it doesn't, so I'll be fine. :-) [...] unlike the banking system. the users CAN have a say in fixing it... if they just do some code :) if they just sit and wait for people to do it for them for free - they may have to wait a while until it becomes a priority for those doing the code. :) hmm. how interesting. i have always been baffled why there is a UK qwerty layout vs US - thre UK is the only place that uses it... all other english speaking countries i know use US qwerty (and if UK qwerty was nicely killed off.. it wouldn't need to be US qwerty - just qwerty) :) Surely this is because of the £-sign? (And € too, in later standards.) I don't think they are ready to give up the pound. hmm no - they moved the a-z letters around. symbols i can understand. but what play with a-z layout... beats me... ok - but there is a way to do this. when stuck on your friends pc when visiting them in california, and they dont have compose-modes enabled... how do you type æ and ø etc. that was basically the q - there must be some accepted mechanism for decimation/conversion. seemingly it's the obvious: æ - ae, ø - o etc. My preferred way is to open a webpage and paste the special characters I need. These days, any pc seems to support æøå even if the keyboard itself doesn't. In a situation where æøå cannot be entered (such as the sms app in SHR which erroneously filter out non-ascii), I write my sentences very carefully avoiding these letters. For I don't want to spell wrong deliberately, not even transcriptions. Those that care a lot less about spelling use more transcriptions - and might even use transcriptions on a phone that has æøå, because their phone is badly adapted to Norwegian and have æøå in weird places. (Because the manufacturers aren't really into adding a couple of extra _hardware_ keys.) Software keyboards are great! yeah. this is one reason i want toi understand how it works without ø, æ etc. - one day there will be a phone with a kbd.. and it wont have a version per language because the # of users in norway are too small to warrant a special production run for them - same for germany, france etc. etc. - until you have the sales numbers to justify that.. you need a way to
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow - Usability features
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:53:26 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Maybe using something like a trie [1] to archive the words could help (both for words matching and for compressing the dictionary). Too hard? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trie so back to the trie... the trie would only be useful for the ascii matching - i need something more complex. it just combines the data with the match tree (letters are inline). i need a match tree + lookup table to other matches to display - and possibly several match entries (all the matches to display also need to be in the tree pointing to a smaller match list). Ok, thanks... I got it. However I hope we could have made something that is based on that idea (the trie) but that can be applied to non ascii-chars too. However in the past days I sent you privately also a mail about some issues of the keyboard in latest e17 svn [1], but I got no answer. Maybe the mail wasn't sent correctly?! got it - i just tend to ignore some of my mailboxes for a while and cycle around to them... got a lot of email here :) i'll get back to you on it. it just is that kbd isnt a focus at the moment so it tends to take a back-burner position. However I've wrote there also some features that I'd suggest to implement in the Illume keyboard. I'll write them here too to make the community aware: I use the illume keyboard every day and I'm very happy with it as I've said many times in this ML, but sometimes it happens that it performs some unwanted actions like: - I involuntarily click on a suggested word while I'm still typing my word (cause I'm not too precise I tap over a word, instead of a top char). thats a problem. mostly of spacing. its actually hard to figure that out. i really dont know what to do there - if u reduce the hit area for matches - it gets harder to select them. if i add more spacing you lose more screen to the kbd. somewhere someone loses. it's a matter of fine adjustments i guess in the spacing to add more space. - It happens that I got my keyboard switched while typing (yes, I know that this mainly an hardware-related issue, due to the touchscreen jitters). hmm thats hard to do. either u make swipes less sensitive and thus make it harder to change layout and solve your problem, or you live with the occasional swipe... or we have another way to change layout thats easy. They seem unrelated, but why not workarounding them by allowing these actions only after a small timeout (i.e. waiting few ms from the latest char pressure)? so lets say 0.4 sec after the last keyboard key press it will allow for swipes and match hits etc. that could be done. again - tuning a timing value. will people then complain that :i often try and swipe or hit a match and it doesnt respond. i need to do it again?. h. Generally you never confirm a word or switch keyboard as fast as you type over a char (since typing can be un-precise thanks to the keyboard correction, switching a keyboard or selecting a word must be precise)... correct. it's a fine line to walk tho - as above :) And... What about making the horizontal word list (the one over the keys) scrollable [right-left] as the configuration toolbar is? Would it require more computation? I figure that that could improve the usability. no - it'd be not much of a problem - i just didnt do it. :) nb - i can see why you often hit a match word. your kbd layout doesnt have padding ABOVE the qwerty line like the default does... :) Bye. [1] http://i43.tinypic.com/i4il2d.png -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues
kimaidou,
Sorry, I have the same question as well :) I'm not expert at
enlightenment and illume.
I find that .cfg files in ~/.e/ is binary format, so can't give a hack :)
What about go IRC for answers?
host: chat.au.freenode.net
channel: #openmoko-cdevel
mqy
2009/2/2 kimaidou (via Nabble) ml-user+116665-1939907...@n2.nabble.com:
Thanks a lot MQY
This works great with all the apps using the grey theme. But, for the apps
using the golden theme, it does not. (eg Contacts). Could you please tell
me how to change the scrollbar size for this them too ?
Thanks a lot, it is improving SHR finger friendlyness a lot
2009/2/1 mqy meng.qing...@...
A temp solution is:
create file .gtkrc-2.0 in use home dir, and add the following contents:
style scroll
{
GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 25
}
class * style scroll
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[SHR] first total usable image
Three days ago, I installed the actual SHR onto my freerunner (testing or unstable...I think it was the unstable image, but not sure) and today, I can only say one thing: It's the best image I've ever seen! GPS works! (needs 20 minutes for first fix: first killall fso-gpsd, then power on the gps device echo 1 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron then type cat /dev/ttySAC1 and wait, still you see some numbers or characters between all commas in a GPS message (ignore those unknown ... messages) when that happens, type ctrl +c to kill the cat output and start fso-gpsd. Now open tangoGPS and wait some seconds and you can see where you are. GPRS works! Simple follow the fso gprs manual in the wiki Voice quality is better than the voice quality on most normal handys for me. Now I only need bluetooth and a good audio player (the pythm doesn't play .ogg files well...only I make a bad quality ogg file...) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
