[QtExtended] Basic speed comparison
Hi all, for those interested: I've done a basic speed comparison with QtE based on a SHR build (the lite image, many things stripped from it, so it is comparable with the FSO nox image), the FSO nox image and QtMoko (the debian version created by Radek). Since I compared 2.6.28 kernel versions, I didn't include the current qt-extended-improved version from Karadog. The SHR and FSO images were installed using my install script. QtMoko already came prepared :-) I ran all 3 versions from a user perspective (so no console work done after install). Since all 3 use the same QtE I'm not commeting on ease-of-use or menu structure or stuff alike. 1) SHR image: had some issues installing the correct atd version, after that it worked ok. Interface seemed sluggish, although resume seemed better than the rest (because on resume, you immediately had an image, even though it took a second before that image became responsive). 2) QtMoko: interface also very slow (probably the kernel is not yet fully optimized built for openmoko, or maybe qtopia 4.5 is the cullprit). Sometimes the impression that it missed (even refused) the touching of an icon, even on the homescreen (btw Radek: delete of a recorded voice note crashed that app for me ...). Launching other apps also slow. 3) FSO: you guessed it, the best :-) I tested the basic nox image (from April 5th, since later version don't have ssh working anymore) and the latest andy-tracking kernel. Interface and apps are respond within acceptable user-experience-timeframes. The 2.6.24 version of Radek is still ok, since that's the only version where bluetooth works reliably from within QtE. Even on 2.6.28 bluetooth is working ok (probably better, since lots of bluetooth bugfixes made it to the mainstream kernel and bluez4 is more stable than bluez3), but QtE is not compatible with bluez4 due to different dbus calls/responses. Work is needed here and any volunteer is welcome. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Basic speed comparison
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: 2) QtMoko: interface also very slow (probably the kernel is not yet fully optimized built for openmoko, or maybe qtopia 4.5 is the cullprit). Sometimes the impression that it missed (even refused) the touching of an icon, even on the homescreen Hi Franky, the kernel is andy-tracking with moredrivers config, only bluetooth is built as modules. It would be interesting to find out where the problem is. One thing would be to use the rootfs with the FSO kernel. I have also impression that running from SD card is much faster. And last thing - i just moved back to old QT because of bug that i cant enter SMTP password in email client. The updated images can be get from QtMoko homepage [1] See you Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest and greatest, progress mail 6
Hi I just tried 2.6.29-rc3 installed on the sd card, wth Franky's Qt extended improved script. Seemed ok, except on resume got a WSOD, which I have not had on the QT extended I usually use. Any suggestions as to why it would come back? Any major problems with running qt extended on the sd card? I did edit the fstab so it was correct for the SD card. Glen On Sunday 12 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Just in time for the holidays ... (install instructions and script updated on 2090410: see below) New progress/bugs: All Ok: - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) - 20090401: alarms (using atd from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no newer package exists), normal + when suspended - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms - 20090401: call + echo check - 20090401: missed call bug - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved - 20090401: mail ok - 20090401: wifi ok - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use bluez4, install script updated accordingly) - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) - 20090412: wlan no longer always online after unsuspend. I don't know if this saves power or not though ... - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS TESTING!!! Problems (more like small nuisances now): - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - second call incoming needs to be checked if working ok - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure don't. - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - there's a race condition with the timers for the alarm when vibrating. Sometimes this results in the alarm being dismissed but the phone keeps vibrating. Solution for now: set an alarm a minute after it, and that will stop the vibrating. Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090412.tgz Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
Onen wrote: Hi, Pander wrote: Onen wrote: * is it compatible with flashcards collections from KDE tools? [1] Not yet but if you can provide a bunch of Japanese flashcard collections I will look into making it compatible with those. I think it would be great to have only one format for the cards, for desktop and phone applications. * do you reuse the engine of another flashcards application, and put a new GUI on top of it, or is it all new code? No it is all new code written mainly by Noufal Ibrahim with improvements from ezuall and me. Would it make sense to reuse the engine of other project? For what I have understood, this kind of software (and Parley) implement algorithms to schedule the cards proposed to you. These aim at optimising your learning, by asking you more often what you don't know, and less what you have already acquired. If you don't go for reuse, do you plan to implement such features? It is on the TODO list. Anyone that would like to dive into this is welcomed. Perhaps some libs or code of other flashcard applications can be ported to openmoko and reused by this application. Thanks, Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest and greatest, progress mail 6
Hi, I never experienced a WSOD before, but I never ran a distro of the SD card as well :-) The fixes I made shouldn't affect anything about the base system itself. If QtE crashes, it becomes black, not white :-) Where did you get your kernel? Have you tried the one I mention at the top of my install script? Franky On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nzwrote: Hi I just tried 2.6.29-rc3 installed on the sd card, wth Franky's Qt extended improved script. Seemed ok, except on resume got a WSOD, which I have not had on the QT extended I usually use. Any suggestions as to why it would come back? Any major problems with running qt extended on the sd card? I did edit the fstab so it was correct for the SD card. Glen On Sunday 12 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Just in time for the holidays ... (install instructions and script updated on 2090410: see below) New progress/bugs: All Ok: - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) - 20090401: alarms (using atd from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no newer package exists), normal + when suspended - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms - 20090401: call + echo check - 20090401: missed call bug - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved - 20090401: mail ok - 20090401: wifi ok - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use bluez4, install script updated accordingly) - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) - 20090412: wlan no longer always online after unsuspend. I don't know if this saves power or not though ... - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS TESTING!!! Problems (more like small nuisances now): - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - second call incoming needs to be checked if working ok - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure don't. - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - there's a race condition with the timers for the alarm when vibrating. Sometimes this results in the alarm being dismissed but the phone keeps vibrating. Solution for now: set an alarm a minute after it, and that will stop the vibrating. Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090412.tgz Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.24) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, Oh - and paroli gives me an error that it wants to replace default.edj owned by elementary theme. Is that related by any chance? The elm theme we install sets the text color in elm-entries to white rather than black. Ah! That explains it. Hmmm - Well, it looks like I'll have to see if I can change over my entry's (there's only 1) background to black. But there must be a better way - we surely can't have changes applied system-wide based on the theme used for one App. Frankly, I'm not all that adept at elementary - I guess someone else will have to show us a way forward. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2632421.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Intone-video problems!! Help !
Hi, Well, seeing that there was a need for a video playing front end for mplayer - I thought I'll make a new app (based on Intone) that fulfills this need. Here are the problems I'm facing :- 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. But I can't seem to get to see the main window (the one that has the controls) at all. It works fine on my desktop - but I'm not using illume there. 2. The video playing window is centered on the screen. Is there a way I can set the positions of these window's? Or do I need to look for a different solution. 3. Is there a way to embed a window in the main window of an elementary app? 4. As far as I can see, mplayer uses the entire window (whose handle is passed to it with wid) to play the video. Or is it possible to have it use only part of the window? Right now I have a proof of concept - but it's not controllable since I can't see the window with the controls. Otherwise I can see video in the window (slow and out of sync with sound) - but it's not too bad overall ;-) I thought it would be far worse. Hopefully, someone out there can help. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-video-problems%21%21-Help-%21-tp2632476p2632476.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
2009/4/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com: Well, seeing that there was a need for a video playing front end for mplayer - I thought I'll make a new app (based on Intone) that fulfills this need. Here are the problems I'm facing :- 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. But I can't seem to get to see the main window (the one that has the controls) at all. It works fine on my desktop - but I'm not using illume there. i think the config of illume on the neo forces windows to be maximised, so even if your windows is 20 x 20, it will fill the whole screen. either you need to modify this behaviour, or fit it all in one window i wanted to do a similar thing myself for an app i'm developing, but any parameters to place/size windows are ignored, afaics ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 11:58:41 Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/4/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com: Well, seeing that there was a need for a video playing front end for mplayer - I thought I'll make a new app (based on Intone) that fulfills this need. Here are the problems I'm facing :- 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. But I can't seem to get to see the main window (the one that has the controls) at all. It works fine on my desktop - but I'm not using illume there. i think the config of illume on the neo forces windows to be maximised, so even if your windows is 20 x 20, it will fill the whole screen. either you need to modify this behaviour, or fit it all in one window i wanted to do a similar thing myself for an app i'm developing, but any parameters to place/size windows are ignored, afaics Maybe something could be done with dialogs - these don't seem to be maximised on my neo. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
Am Dienstag, 14. April 2009 13:10:38 schrieb George Brooke: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 11:58:41 Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/4/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com: Well, seeing that there was a need for a video playing front end for mplayer - I thought I'll make a new app (based on Intone) that fulfills this need. Here are the problems I'm facing :- 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. But I can't seem to get to see the main window (the one that has the controls) at all. It works fine on my desktop - but I'm not using illume there. i think the config of illume on the neo forces windows to be maximised, so even if your windows is 20 x 20, it will fill the whole screen. either you need to modify this behaviour, or fit it all in one window i wanted to do a similar thing myself for an app i'm developing, but any parameters to place/size windows are ignored, afaics Maybe something could be done with dialogs - these don't seem to be maximised on my neo. But they still get centered afaik. What about splitting the window in two parts, one playing the video and one with the controls? Or does that interfere with your mplayer approach? -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest and greatest, progress mail 6
Hi Franky, I downloaded: fso-image-nox-om-gta02.tar.gz modules-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr10+901d73fe51f33032b34b2ae5612eb863ec90532a-r3-om-gta02.tgz uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr10+901d73fe51f33032b34b2ae5612eb863ec90532a-r3-om-gta02.bin from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090412/ Then, untared both fso-image-nox-om-gta02.tar.gz and the modules on to the second partition (ext2) on the SD card. Copied the uImage to uimage.bin on to the first partition (vfat). Then ran the changes from your script. Removed the old modules, as fso-image-nox-om-gta02.tar.gz contains modules for 2.6.28 r2, not r3. I'll try tomorrow on the phone I guess and see if that's any better. Apart from the WSOD, it all seemed to be working pretty well. Call quality was good. I didn't use the kernel you mentioned, because don't have the modules for it. Regards Glen Ogilvie On Tuesday 14 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Hi, I never experienced a WSOD before, but I never ran a distro of the SD card as well :-) The fixes I made shouldn't affect anything about the base system itself. If QtE crashes, it becomes black, not white :-) Where did you get your kernel? Have you tried the one I mention at the top of my install script? Franky On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nzwrote: Hi I just tried 2.6.29-rc3 installed on the sd card, wth Franky's Qt extended improved script. Seemed ok, except on resume got a WSOD, which I have not had on the QT extended I usually use. Any suggestions as to why it would come back? Any major problems with running qt extended on the sd card? I did edit the fstab so it was correct for the SD card. Glen On Sunday 12 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Just in time for the holidays ... (install instructions and script updated on 2090410: see below) New progress/bugs: All Ok: - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) - 20090401: alarms (using atd from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no newer package exists), normal + when suspended - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms - 20090401: call + echo check - 20090401: missed call bug - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved - 20090401: mail ok - 20090401: wifi ok - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use bluez4, install script updated accordingly) - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) - 20090412: wlan no longer always online after unsuspend. I don't know if this saves power or not though ... - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS TESTING!!! Problems (more like small nuisances now): - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - second call incoming needs to be checked if working ok - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure don't. - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - there's a race condition with the timers for the alarm when vibrating. Sometimes this results in the alarm being dismissed but the phone keeps vibrating. Solution for now: set an alarm a minute after it, and that will stop the vibrating. Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090412.tgz Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally
Re: Intone (0.24) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, Oh - and paroli gives me an error that it wants to replace default.edj owned by elementary theme. Is that related by any chance? I think paroli might play a role here. The elm theme we install sets the text color in elm-entries to white rather than black. Afaik there is no way to apply themes on a widget by widget basis (at least not in py-elm) that is why I chose that path. So if you need black text and can't see it anymore after paroli is installed that might be the reason ... Not sure how to change this ... any ideas? /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Well, I use the same kernel+modules, but I use the fso-nox image from a few days older (I thought I mentioned it at the top of my script but it seems I forgot that comment), because newer fso-nox images have no ssh connectivity (it seems the usb hotplug isn't detected ..). But I never used the tar.gz way, so I can't comment on it ... Franky On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nzwrote: Hi Franky, I downloaded: fso-image-nox-om-gta02.tar.gz modules-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr10+901d73fe51f33032b34b2ae5612eb863ec90532a-r3-om-gta02.tgz uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr10+901d73fe51f33032b34b2ae5612eb863ec90532a-r3-om-gta02.bin from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090412/ Then, untared both fso-image-nox-om-gta02.tar.gz and the modules on to the second partition (ext2) on the SD card. Copied the uImage to uimage.bin on to the first partition (vfat). Then ran the changes from your script. Removed the old modules, as fso-image-nox-om-gta02.tar.gz contains modules for 2.6.28 r2, not r3. I'll try tomorrow on the phone I guess and see if that's any better. Apart from the WSOD, it all seemed to be working pretty well. Call quality was good. I didn't use the kernel you mentioned, because don't have the modules for it. Regards Glen Ogilvie On Tuesday 14 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Hi, I never experienced a WSOD before, but I never ran a distro of the SD card as well :-) The fixes I made shouldn't affect anything about the base system itself. If QtE crashes, it becomes black, not white :-) Where did you get your kernel? Have you tried the one I mention at the top of my install script? Franky On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nzwrote: Hi I just tried 2.6.29-rc3 installed on the sd card, wth Franky's Qt extended improved script. Seemed ok, except on resume got a WSOD, which I have not had on the QT extended I usually use. Any suggestions as to why it would come back? Any major problems with running qt extended on the sd card? I did edit the fstab so it was correct for the SD card. Glen On Sunday 12 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Just in time for the holidays ... (install instructions and script updated on 2090410: see below) New progress/bugs: All Ok: - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) - 20090401: alarms (using atd from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no newer package exists), normal + when suspended - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms - 20090401: call + echo check - 20090401: missed call bug - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved - 20090401: mail ok - 20090401: wifi ok - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use bluez4, install script updated accordingly) - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) - 20090412: wlan no longer always online after unsuspend. I don't know if this saves power or not though ... - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS TESTING!!! Problems (more like small nuisances now): - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - second call incoming needs to be checked if working ok - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure don't. - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - there's a race condition with the timers for the alarm when vibrating. Sometimes this results in the alarm being dismissed but the phone keeps vibrating. Solution for now: set an alarm a minute after it, and that will stop the vibrating. Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE
Re: latest and greatest, progress mail 6
On Tuesday 14 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Well, I use the same kernel+modules, but I use the fso-nox image from a few days older (I thought I mentioned it at the top of my script but it seems I forgot that comment), because newer fso-nox images have no ssh connectivity (it seems the usb hotplug isn't detected ..). Funny enough, ssh connectivity was not a problem, seemed to work first boot. Anyway, your work is really appricated. Your work along with the others that are contibuting is going a long way to getting a qt extended improved version that has the annoying problems solved so we can all just use our phone's as a phone's that work to make/receive calls, txt, etc. Regards Glen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest and greatest, progress mail 6
o, and: which distro are you using for the rootfs? On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Hi, I never experienced a WSOD before, but I never ran a distro of the SD card as well :-) The fixes I made shouldn't affect anything about the base system itself. If QtE crashes, it becomes black, not white :-) Where did you get your kernel? Have you tried the one I mention at the top of my install script? Franky On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nzwrote: Hi I just tried 2.6.29-rc3 installed on the sd card, wth Franky's Qt extended improved script. Seemed ok, except on resume got a WSOD, which I have not had on the QT extended I usually use. Any suggestions as to why it would come back? Any major problems with running qt extended on the sd card? I did edit the fstab so it was correct for the SD card. Glen On Sunday 12 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Just in time for the holidays ... (install instructions and script updated on 2090410: see below) New progress/bugs: All Ok: - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok) - 20090401: alarms (using atd from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no newer package exists), normal + when suspended - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms - 20090401: call + echo check - 20090401: missed call bug - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved - 20090401: mail ok - 20090401: wifi ok - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them) - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use bluez4, install script updated accordingly) - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15) - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27) - 20090412: wlan no longer always online after unsuspend. I don't know if this saves power or not though ... - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS TESTING!!! Problems (more like small nuisances now): - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the clock again - second call incoming needs to be checked if working ok - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but receiving files for sure don't. - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-) - there's a race condition with the timers for the alarm when vibrating. Sometimes this results in the alarm being dismissed but the phone keeps vibrating. Solution for now: set an alarm a minute after it, and that will stop the vibrating. Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090412.tgz Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: compiling error
: undefined reference to `XDisplayName' i'd say you miss some development packages (looks like xorg). anyway, since it is not an openmoko specific problem, google should be very helpfull with issues like that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] Headset detect?
Paul Fertser wrote: Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no writes: Paul wrote: Almost sounds as if you do not push the headset connector in far enough. I think there is something wrong with the FR headset socket. I have tried several headsets as well as several converter plugs for those headsets that have the bigger plugs. If I push the plug all the way in, I get sound in one channel only. Pull it a litle out, and I get nice stereo. Pull it some more out, and I get a very weak stereo. (Possibly missing the ground connection, so the two channels connect in series?) Pull further out, and weird things happens, sound in left only or right only, or perhaps the main speaker wakes up. Looks like you're trying to use incompatible 3-ring adapter/headphones. Obviously that won't work. The right pinout of FR's receptable is: tip: MIC RIGHT LEFT GND If you fully push a regular 3-ring jack in the socket, you'll have MIC input connected to your left headphone, RIGHT output to the right headphone and you'll short LEFT to GND by the base of your jack. Obviously if you pull it a little, you'll have your left headphone connected to the RIGHT output, your right headphone to the LEFT, and a proper ground connection. Use only properly wired 4-ring jack! Thanks. Do such converters exist at all though? I have been to quite a few phone shops, showing them the 3.5mm 3-ring headset connector, as well as the 2.5mm 4-ring earplug. (The latter works, but the headset has better bass and is more pleasant to wear.) No phone shop seems to have such a connector. Of course, these people doesn't actually seem to know that 2.5mm and 3.5mm plugs are standardized sizes, they keep asking what brand of phone it is. :-( Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
compiling error
Hi I try to compile this program found on: http://markmail.org/message/zi4poqd2fpxvfs67 but I obtained this error by compiling it: progtry.c: In function ‘pEvenThrd’: progtry.c:188: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘usleep’ progtry.c:190: warning: no return statement in function returning non-void progtry.c: In function ‘main’: progtry.c:248: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘putenv’ arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t -std=gnu99 -Wall -pedantic -std=c99 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -Os -L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -o progtry progtry.o -lm progtry.o: In function `set_rotation': progtry.c:(.text+0x114): undefined reference to `XDisplayName' progtry.c:(.text+0x154): undefined reference to `XRRRotations' progtry.c:(.text+0x160): undefined reference to `XRRGetScreenInfo' progtry.c:(.text+0x16c): undefined reference to `XRRConfigCurrentConfiguration' progtry.c:(.text+0x188): undefined reference to `XRRSetScreenConfig' progtry.c:(.text+0x198): undefined reference to `XOpenDisplay' progtry.o: In function `main': progtry.c:(.text+0x20c): undefined reference to `pthread_create' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [all] Erreur 1 how can I solve this problem of compiling?? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest and greatest, progress mail 6
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nzwrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Well, I use the same kernel+modules, but I use the fso-nox image from a few days older (I thought I mentioned it at the top of my script but it seems I forgot that comment), because newer fso-nox images have no ssh connectivity (it seems the usb hotplug isn't detected ..). Funny enough, ssh connectivity was not a problem, seemed to work first boot. Anyway, your work is really appricated. Your work along with the others that are contibuting is going a long way to getting a qt extended improved versionh that has the annoying problems solved so we can all just use our phone's as a phone's that work to make/receive calls, txt, etc. tx :-) The only *real* issue that remains is bluetooth. Together with a more usuable keyboard (I'm waiting for a new release of the finger friendly keyboard from Leonardo Maccari) this would be almost perfect. Again: any help is appreciated. I'm now using this phone as daily phone, and will report on battery usage. Weird for the ssh though ... I'm always seeing that usb0 doesn't exist on first boot, but maybe by adding the modules before booting from it works, but that's not feasible when flashing the jffs to the phone. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] Headset detect?
Am Dienstag, 14. April 2009 14:20:26 schrieb Helge Hafting: Paul Fertser wrote: Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no writes: Paul wrote: Almost sounds as if you do not push the headset connector in far enough. I think there is something wrong with the FR headset socket. I have tried several headsets as well as several converter plugs for those headsets that have the bigger plugs. If I push the plug all the way in, I get sound in one channel only. Pull it a litle out, and I get nice stereo. Pull it some more out, and I get a very weak stereo. (Possibly missing the ground connection, so the two channels connect in series?) Pull further out, and weird things happens, sound in left only or right only, or perhaps the main speaker wakes up. Looks like you're trying to use incompatible 3-ring adapter/headphones. Obviously that won't work. The right pinout of FR's receptable is: tip: MIC RIGHT LEFT GND If you fully push a regular 3-ring jack in the socket, you'll have MIC input connected to your left headphone, RIGHT output to the right headphone and you'll short LEFT to GND by the base of your jack. Obviously if you pull it a little, you'll have your left headphone connected to the RIGHT output, your right headphone to the LEFT, and a proper ground connection. Use only properly wired 4-ring jack! Thanks. Do such converters exist at all though? I have been to quite a few phone shops, showing them the 3.5mm 3-ring headset connector, as well as the 2.5mm 4-ring earplug. (The latter works, but the headset has better bass and is more pleasant to wear.) No phone shop seems to have such a connector. Of course, these people doesn't actually seem to know that 2.5mm and 3.5mm plugs are standardized sizes, they keep asking what brand of phone it is. :-( Helge Hafting There's at least one adapter known working (I own one of them), it's an MP35A from some Hong Kong distributor, have a look at:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] GPRS, again
Hi all, Still I cannot get GPRS working on unstable, although I have gotten an subscription with GRPS about 4 months ago, hoping I could use it with SHR. I tried the settings menu but that did not work. Even manually editting shr_grps.py to the correct APN, login and password did not help. Manually, I have also tried: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet (my provider has internet as APN and empty string as login and passwd) The result is: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod What is THE way to get GRPS working on SHR? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
Have you tried to update the module with ppp-generic : echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules shutdown -r now This works great for me. For debuggin and connecting via terminal, I use : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext mygprs x x Replace mygprs with your provider adress. You must leave the double x at the end : they are here for no user and password needed Kimaidou 2009/4/14 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net Hi all, Still I cannot get GPRS working on unstable, although I have gotten an subscription with GRPS about 4 months ago, hoping I could use it with SHR. I tried the settings menu but that did not work. Even manually editting shr_grps.py to the correct APN, login and password did not help. Manually, I have also tried: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet (my provider has internet as APN and empty string as login and passwd) The result is: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod What is THE way to get GRPS working on SHR? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
Hi, But they still get centered afaik. What about splitting the window in two parts, one playing the video and one with the controls? Well, how do I do that? From what I understand, mplayer can take over a full window given it's id. I don't know how to make mplayer take over part of a window. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-video-problems%21%21-Help-%21-tp2632476p2632960.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.netwrote: Hi all, Still I cannot get GPRS working on unstable, although I have gotten an subscription with GRPS about 4 months ago, hoping I could use it with SHR. I tried the settings menu but that did not work. Even manually editting shr_grps.py to the correct APN, login and password did not help. Manually, I have also tried: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet (my provider has internet as APN and empty string as login and passwd) I think even if you have an empty string as login and password try putting something (anything letter) in the login and password field and see if it works. This is how the GPRS works in QT Extended Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
Right now I have a proof of concept - but it's not controllable since I can't see the window with the controls. Otherwise I can see video in the window (slow and out of sync with sound) - but it's not too bad overall ;-) I thought it would be far worse. Hopefully, someone out there can help. Thanks. Do you think it will be possible (and simpler) to have the controls come up as a transparent layer/app on top of the playing video (like on tapping). Why I thought of this is that sometime ago a transparent illume terminal/ keyboard thread was there on the list and the package worked. I will try to look in the archives for the link. Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Right now I have a proof of concept - but it's not controllable since I can't see the window with the controls. Otherwise I can see video in the window (slow and out of sync with sound) - but it's not too bad overall ;-) I thought it would be far worse. Hopefully, someone out there can help. Thanks. Do you think it will be possible (and simpler) to have the controls come up as a transparent layer/app on top of the playing video (like on tapping). Why I thought of this is that sometime ago a transparent illume terminal/ keyboard thread was there on the list and the package worked. I will try to look in the archives for the link. Maybe something similar to what neon uses? Simple non-animated controls? Kind regards, Cameron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
kimaidou wrote: Have you tried to update the module with ppp-generic : echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules shutdown -r now thanks! finally it works :D Can this be included in the default SHR build? This works great for me. For debuggin and connecting via terminal, I use : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext mygprs x x Replace mygprs with your provider adress. You must leave the double x at the end : they are here for no user and password needed Kimaidou 2009/4/14 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net mailto:pan...@users.sourceforge.net Hi all, Still I cannot get GPRS working on unstable, although I have gotten an subscription with GRPS about 4 months ago, hoping I could use it with SHR. I tried the settings menu but that did not work. Even manually editting shr_grps.py to the correct APN, login and password did not help. Manually, I have also tried: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext internet (my provider has internet as APN and empty string as login and passwd) The result is: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod What is THE way to get GRPS working on SHR? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
2009/4/14 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net kimaidou wrote: Have you tried to update the module with ppp-generic : echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules shutdown -r now thanks! finally it works :D It must work from the SHR setting too. Can this be included in the default SHR build? +1 for this ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
2009/4/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com: [...] 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. May you use mplayer fullscreen and toggle to the controls window with the AUX button (or a simple TS tap)? The best would be to have a transparent windows with big icons to pause/quit, ff and so on, very finger friendly regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] GPRS, again
kimaidou wrote: 2009/4/14 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net mailto:pan...@users.sourceforge.net kimaidou wrote: Have you tried to update the module with ppp-generic : echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic update-modules shutdown -r now thanks! finally it works :D It must work from the SHR setting too. now it does, before not. I have a recent unstable release with all the updates. Just the missing: echo ppp-generic /etc/modutils/ppp-generic Can this be included in the default SHR build? +1 for this ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
Hi, On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:12 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think it will be possible (and simpler) to have the controls come up as a transparent layer/app on top of the playing video (like on tapping). Maybe something similar to what neon uses? Simple non-animated controls? That would be ideal - but from what I understand - the sliding layer will be on the same window and I think the video will clash with it. The Illume bar gets all funky colors when I use it with the video playing. Also, there isn't anything like that in elementary yet. I thought of this, since it would be most apt, but I don't know how to implement it in elementary. I have a lot of limitations too ;-) which is why I'm asking questions here. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-video-problems%21%21-Help-%21-tp2632476p2633169.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2009] Reject incoming call
Hi, all! Just tested om 2009 testing build. It is Nice. But.. how can I reject an incoming call?? The only button available is answer. Another one: how can I switch to elementary? This is listed on Om2009 release page and is implemented. Thanks. -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
From what I understand, mplayer can take over a full window given it's id. I don't know how to make mplayer take over part of a window. IIUC the window id passed to mplayer does not have to be a top-level window. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone - the future and help needed
this probably won't be for the near future, but a route to bluetooth headset (+ maybe pairing) would be interesting; but i think intone is maybe not the place to start work on that one On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:13 PM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, If you find a way for it to work, let me know. I'd be interested in it myself as well. Try reading this http://n2.nabble.com/Call-from-command-line-%28on-FSO%29-td1516004ef1958.html#a1516004. I also have the idea of making a daemon called pocketd that would register a few simple tap rythms with the accelerometers and output them using dbus signals. That kind of thing could work well here : ) That'd be really interesting and useful. You should go ahead and make it. I think Intone should keep you busy a bit longer then you think : P. There's lot to polish. There always is ;-). I can help pinpointing the problems but I'm too damn lazy to do the coding myself : D. That'd be good too. Yes, id3lib for mp3. Vorbis comments seem to be parseable without a library or perhaps libvorbis provides calls for that. As for m4a, does anyone use that for their music? I don't think there's reason to worry about that : ). Ha ! Ok. Lets see how that goes. Yeah, I did some testing and found quite a lot of unexpected behaviour. I'll compile it all into an e-mail and send it separately. Please do. I can see things that need doing - but it's always nice to have a second opinion. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone---the-future-and-help-needed-tp2623289p2624514.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vala-Terminal Black Background
Newest code in git-repository [1] contains white text and black background. It is the same version than in opkg.org [2] You can change fontsize by commandline parameter -fs vala-terminal -fs 5 There are no configuration files or settings dialog yet. If you are interested in compiling it by yourself, here you can find Instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Vala-terminal [1] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-terminal.git [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_112.html -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Odd Qi resume troubles
I've tried to use Qi a couple of times with Om2008.12, SHR, and Om2009. No matter which distro I have the same resuming from a suspend problem. The screen will be upside down and backwards. I'm pretty sure it's Qi because I don't have the problem with uboot. Am I the only one with this problem and is there a fix? - Elliot ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] Reject incoming call
Hi there, HouYu Li wrote: Hi, all! Just tested om 2009 testing build. It is Nice. Glad to hear :) But.. how can I reject an incoming call?? The only button available is answer. The button to the left of answer (shoudl be a speaker symbol) disables all sounds and hitting the top bar should hide the window. It is not really rejecting the call but it won't bother you anymore. Another one: how can I switch to elementary? This is listed on Om2009 release page and is implemented. No need to switch in any way. All paroli ui-code now uses elementary instead of etk and I hope to dive even deeper into it. /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
Hi c_c, thanks for bringing another superb app to the neo! I'm not an X11 expert, just trying to answer some of your questions here... If I babble nonsense, please correct me. 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. But I can't seem to get to see the main window (the one that has the controls) at all. It works fine on my desktop - but I'm not using illume there. The problem is that your windows will end up stacked ontop of each other, and here is why: In X11, you do normally not position your windows on the screen. You have a separate process, the window manager or WM, that takes care of this task. That way, the user can finetune the behaviour of this desktop in one place, instead of having to tune each and every app separately. When you create a new window, the window manager will be consulted and will come up with the best position/size for that new window. It will also draw some decorations around it (border, titlebar, icons), so you have a consistent look. On your desktop, where you have plenty of space, the best policy for the WM is to arrange windows such that they don't overlap too much. On the neo however, where screen space is a premium, the default strategy is to maximize and center each window and forget about the borders, titlebars and stuff... Both of your windows will simply be maximized and the one you create later will end up on top of the stack. That way, you loose your controls. 2. The video playing window is centered on the screen. Is there a way I can set the positions of these window's? Or do I need to look for a different solution. There is a way to have absolute control over the window by overriding the window manager: EAPI void ecore_evas_override_set(Ecore_Evas* ee, Evas_Bool override); or in elementary: EAPI void elm_win_override_set(Evas_Object *obj, Evas_Bool override); If you do this, the WM won't touch your window, and you will have to position and size it yourself. Be aware though, that you also will have to take into account any bars (taskbar / titlebar etc...) as you now work with raw screen coords. Usually, you have a normal window that is placed in the usual way by the wm. You learn it's size and raw coordinates on screen and place the overridden window such that it fits inside. 3. Is there a way to embed a window in the main window of an elementary app? There is the elementary inwin. But this is not a X11 window with it's own wid. As far as I know, there is currently no elementary widget for this. 4. As far as I can see, mplayer uses the entire window (whose handle is passed to it with wid) to play the video. Or is it possible to have it use only part of the window? Not that I know. But what you can do, is to create a second X11 window, with the override bit set. Position it manually, based on the co-ordinates of your main window, and hand its wid to mplayer. the WM won't add any decoration to it, thanks to the override bit, and mplayer will fill it with the movie, so the second window should not be recognizable as a window. You should be able to get the position and sitze of your main elm_win using something like this: EAPI void evas_object_geometry_get (const Evas_Object *obj, Evas_Coord *x, Evas_Coord *y, Evas_Coord *w, Evas_Coord *h); Then you can simply create a second elm_win with the right coordinates, and set the override bit _before_ you make the window visible. Hope this helps... Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
The best would be to have a transparent windows with big icons to pause/quit, ff and so on, very finger friendly Hm, if you want to get fancy, there is a way to have windows of any shape that are always on top as far as the window manager is concerned. Check out: EAPI void ecore_evas_shaped_set(Ecore_Evas* ee, Evas_Bool shaped); or in elementary: EAPI void elm_win_shaped_set(Evas_Object *obj, Evas_Bool shaped); This is really really super slow on the neo, and it might not even work with mplayer overlay windows. But normally, you would be able to make arbitrary shaped windows. (Check out the elementary-test app, there is a transparency test using this...) You might also get some inspiration from this proof-of-concept keyboard code: http://svn.om.vptt.ch/trunk/bubble-keyboard/src/bin/bubble-keyboard.c Hope this is useful... Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
PyFlash at SourceForge
Hi all, PyFlash has now a SF project here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pyflash/ while its website remains here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash because it is an application which is *very* suitable for FreeRunner. If you need developer access to the project, please let me know and I will add you. Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 'dead' neo
2009/4/13 Alexey Koptsevich ako...@gmail.com: I have recently been in the same situation, the battery was completely dead. I bought BL-6C Battery for Nokia 6235 6236i 6255 6255i 6256i on eBay from the seller thamesmall, along with the wall charger Nokia 6300 bl-5c bl-4c bl-6c Battery Charger Cradle USB from the seller joybuy24, $12 altogether. FR started fine. Have neither tried the charger with the original battery, nor compared the battery life with the original one. I got mine from Eastmaze and an excellent purchase they were. See my post here for info http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-January/040874.html they are based in hong kong and ship internationally I put my FIC battery into the bl-6c charger and it charged it enough to boot the neo. One problem I have had with leaving my neo plugged in overnight to charge a dead battery was that it would boot up then run out of power while booting and I would again have a dead battery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vala-Terminal Black Background
I just installed the one on opkg.org and it still has white bg. I can't compile for the FR either :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.24) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, c_c wrote: Mirko Lindner wrote: The elm theme we install sets the text color in elm-entries to white rather than black. Ah! That explains it. Hmmm - Well, it looks like I'll have to see if I can change over my entry's (there's only 1) background to black. But there must be a better way - we surely can't have changes applied system-wide based on the theme used for one App. I think there is some infrastructure already there, working on the edje group level... Please check the Elementary wiki page: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary Quoting the section about elementary envionment variables... ELM_THEME - This sets the theme(s) to be used in order from most preferential, to least, just with the theme name (minus the .edj extension) with a : character delimiting the name. A simple personal theme would be mytheme. If you wish to primarily use your personal theme, and then fall back to another, you can do: mytheme:fallback. This allows as many levels as you like. It is always assumed that the final fallback theme is the default theme. A complex example would be: mytheme:fallback:systemfallback:othersystem. Remember theme names like mytheme mean it assumes a mytheme.edj is in $HOME/.elementary/themes OR if not found here first, it is in $ELM_DATA_DIR/themes under the same name. Themes in your users theme dir always take precedence. A Theme name can ALSO be a relative or full path to a file. In this case the fill filename including extensions needs to be given. i.e. /path/to/file.edj:mytheme:fallback: ../../relative/path/file.edj:./dir/file.edj. With full or relative paths searching in order still happens. Note that there is a convenience shortcut for the users home directory of ~/. So if a theme element is ~/dir/file.edj then ~/ is expanded to the the value of $HOME (the users home directory). The way I understand this is that for every edje groud that is needed to render a widget, elementary will check the *.edjes in the order they are listed in the ELM_THEME env variable. If a group is not found, it will check the next *.edj Digging deeper, there are two undocumented API calls in Elementary.h: EAPI void elm_theme_overlay_add(const char *item); EAPI void elm_theme_extension_add(const char *item); I think these allow the application to add their own themes app dependent *.edj, either _before_ ELM_THEME (that would be elm_theme_overlay_add() ) or _after_ ELM_THEME (that would be elm_theme_extension_add() ) The relevant code is at: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/st/elementary/src/lib/elm_theme.c?rev=#L50 I have not tested this, but the code looks as if it would be in working shape. Hope this is usefull nevertheless... Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest qt-embedded image
Could anybody point me to the latest kernel and qt-embedded image that can run on the NEO 1973 () so not on the Freerunner !!! The latest I can find is the 18th of november Images. The qtextended forums seem a bit quiet maybe qt dev is discussed elsewhere but releases are a bit sparse from them. Qtopia on neo was good but I'm sticking with shr. I suppose you've seen this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] Headset detect?
Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no writes: Looks like you're trying to use incompatible 3-ring adapter/headphones. Obviously that won't work. The right pinout of FR's receptable is: tip: MIC RIGHT LEFT GND If you fully push a regular 3-ring jack in the socket, you'll have MIC input connected to your left headphone, RIGHT output to the right headphone and you'll short LEFT to GND by the base of your jack. Obviously if you pull it a little, you'll have your left headphone connected to the RIGHT output, your right headphone to the LEFT, and a proper ground connection. Use only properly wired 4-ring jack! Thanks. Do such converters exist at all though? You can get 2.5mm 4-ring jack from some nokia-compatible (or other) headset as well as buy separately. Then solder the converter you need. IMHO the easiest way. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] latest andy-tracking kernel
Hi all, just to let you know: I tried the latest andy-tracking kernel (gitr10 and gitr11 even) together with an older fso-nox image (from April 4, because newer fso images don't give me ssh access anymore). This combo proves to be troublesome: no wake-up on sms receiving, missed-calls for every incoming call, etc ... not good. In the end, I couldn't even place a call anymore ... So: don't use this combo. I recommend the stable 2.6.28 kernel with accompanying rootfs or uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr6+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3-om-gta02.bin with fso-nox image from April 4. It seems the best to take the jffs and the kernel from the same build. Then run my install script on it. Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is nobody even using these images? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tasks Client for FR
About syncing and data from the web: * with the last version, I think you can open a ics file from the web * the 4th tool from pimlico is about syncing.. I hope it is just a matter of time http://www.pimlico-project.org/sync.html * the projet PISI would like to implement the support of ICS files. If so, pbm solved ! http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html I am in contact with them to speak about pimlico * the data format of the pimlico suite is based on the Evolution project http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/ There are tools to sync the data withy the well-known syncml protocol http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/syncevolution?s[]=syncml So someone must be able to adapt / port it on the moko ? * you can copy / paste the ics files located here : ~/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics Ok, this is a very rough way, but it is ok if you only modify About PISI - I am one of the developers there and I am happy to read about all the input for further developments here. As it looks to me now, there are different options, which probably have different priorities. I have been pretty much busy with the Contacts part of PISI; my brother will now start pushing the Calendar part a bit more (after I will have done some refactoring on this side by the end of this week). First task there for him will be proper ICS support. There is a Python library available for doing all the low level files read / write (which I used sucessfully for VCF files already); so it shouldn't be too much troubles to come up with a proper implementation. For the contacts part, I would need some more input for requested data sources. For now, we support QTopia address book (SQLite, e.g. OM 2008.12), LDAP Server, VCF files and Google Contacts. Awaiting are: - opimd support - SIM card support - SyncML / Opensync support - Online VCF support (just download / upload the file) - Pimlico / Evolution My impression is, that SyncML / Opensync is my next task. I was searching for some libraries already; and I found two implementations at a very early stage - I will go and test them soon. The Evolution / Pimlico stuff - I thought would be somehow outdated already on the Openmoko!? The upcoming 2009 will be opimd?? Well, last time I looked for it, it had not progressed much behind the initial idea. BTW: Has anybody yet tested PISI on a distribution other than OM 2008.12? I always tested on this one ... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Tasks-Client-for-FR-tp2609094p2635064.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] latest andy-tracking kernel
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 21:54:53 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is nobody even using these images? Yeah I noticed too, but I assumed I b0rked my build system, since I tried to use the SHR overlay manually.. also, X didn't start anymore, that's when I noticed SSH didn't work. but, while waiting for the entire rebuild to finish, I'm taking a look at the commits since April 4 :) grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[openBmap] Bug fix release 0.2.1
Hi everyone, bug fix release of the openBmap GSM/GPS logger has been released. It corrects the application displaying sometimes N/A for GSM even when obviously there is coverage. You can find it at: * FSO and SHR distributions have it in their feeds * http://www.opkg.org/package_186.html * http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065package_id=310952 Thanks to Stefan and Ainulindale for putting it in the feeds. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Watching videos on neo freerunner (openmoko 2008.12) mplayer-glamo
... Hey and when you use vdr (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Disk_Recorder ) and a plugin to transcode it for small screens, you could watch tv live! ... I am a big Vdr fun I am trying to make it work on vdr playback first When you say watch tv live what do you mean by that ? You're gonna kill me if you tell me that you are watching live Vdr on your FR -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Watching-videos-on-neo-freerunner-%28openmoko-2008.12%29-mplayer-glamo-tp2141404p2635374.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] latest andy-tracking kernel
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:30:28 +0200 Sander van Grieken san...@3v8.net wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 21:54:53 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is nobody even using these images? Yeah I noticed too, but I assumed I b0rked my build system, since I tried to use the SHR overlay manually.. also, X didn't start anymore, that's when I noticed SSH didn't work. but, while waiting for the entire rebuild to finish, I'm taking a look at the commits since April 4 :) well, I don't know, but reverting to that kernel+rootf fixed the incoming SMS when suspended thing. But now the whole missed-call comes flying back to me: whenever I answer a call, the second after I pressed answer, a new call notification pops up saying I have the same incoming call. Seems like a timing issue to me ... propably something in qmodemcallprovider.cpp that should be redefined in vendor_neo.cpp Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] Headset detect?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:20:26PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: No phone shop seems to have such a connector. Of course, these people doesn't actually seem to know that 2.5mm and 3.5mm plugs are standardized sizes, they keep asking what brand of phone it is. :-( Yes, the sizes are standardized, but the pinout is not, thus the question which brand of phone connects to the 2.5 mm end of the converter. See also the Wiki: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] missed call trace (was: latest andy-tracking kernel)
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:25:56 +0200
Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:30:28 +0200
Sander van Grieken san...@3v8.net wrote:
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 21:54:53 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
Maybe the latest version is ok again, but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST
since ssh no longer works. Surely somebody must notice this, or is
nobody even using these images?
Yeah I noticed too, but I assumed I b0rked my build system, since I
tried to use the SHR overlay manually.. also, X didn't start
anymore, that's when I noticed SSH didn't work.
but, while waiting for the entire rebuild to finish, I'm taking a
look at the commits since April 4 :)
well, I don't know, but reverting to that kernel+rootf fixed the
incoming SMS when suspended thing.
But now the whole missed-call comes flying back to me: whenever I
answer a call, the second after I pressed answer, a new call
notification pops up saying I have the same incoming call.
Seems like a timing issue to me ... propably something in
qmodemcallprovider.cpp that should be redefined in vendor_neo.cpp
Franky
ok, for those curious: I've put online a AT-listing of a missed call:
http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/missedcall.txt
The scenario is this: call the device from another line, answer the
call and watch a notification for a second call arrive (sometimes).
The AT commands in the text file are of course the results of both
calls, so it can be a bit confusing. Although the AT-call ATA should
give you a hint that the device in the end thinks there is only one
active call (otherwise it would be AT+CHLD=2).
I think the cause of the problems lies in the function
void QModemCallProvider::clccIncoming()
in the file src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemcallprovider.cpp
Specifically this part seems to be the culprit:
if ( callType.isEmpty() ) {
// We could not determine the call type, so the incoming call
// has probably disappeared. Flag it as a missed voice call.
d-incomingCallType = Voice; // No tr
announceCall();
d-missedTimer-stop();
missedTimeout();
} else {
This part makes sure that for a call that can't be identified, the call
gets announced and then flagged as being missed, exactly what I see in
the logfile.
Now I don't get this: why flag an dissapeared call of unknown type as
voice and missed call?
From what I can see, this code should be:
if ( callType.isEmpty() ) {
// We could not determine the call type, so the incoming call
// has probably disappeared. Ignore it.
stopRingTimers();
} else {
Any comments on this?
Ok, the fact that the modem sends an extra RING after the call is
accepted is probably because it's a bit slow sometimes (or the RING
arrives a bit too slow).
Franky
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OpenMooCow 0.4
Just a quite note to announce the release of version 0.4 of OpenMooCow. Mo. etc. :) The changes since 0.3 aren't very exciting, but ensure continued compatibility with the latest distributions. The changes are: - A crash, when the sysfs paths were not as expected, has been fixed. - The very latest changes to the sysfs paths have been handled. - The change from EV_REL to EV_ABS has been handled. - Proper categories have been added to the .desktop file. Download from http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/openmoocow, or from opkg.org. I've heard of a lot of people having trouble with OpenMooCow on various distributions. The combination of accelerometers and audio seems to show up lots of problems which wouldn't otherwise be noticed! For a discussion, look under Known Problems near the bottom of the page mentioned above. This release should fix all accelerometer problems, but some SDL audio problems will remain. I hope to be able to take a closer look at these (they're SDL problems, not my fault :), but I have other Forbidden Projects taking up my time at the moment... Enjoy! Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bying a Freerunner with the buzz-fix on it
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 02:33:14PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: And if it is the buzz fix (by adding the cap) that causes potential problems... what about the SOP currently applied to freerunners ? They may be impacted by incorrect ALSA states ? Yes, that was a concern of mine as well, so this too had to be checked and verified. The complication being that a reworked A6 can only be distinguished AFAIK by visual inspection and not by checking a bit in the hardware. Perhaps you could turn on MICBIAS and measure for how long the current is higher than normal as the capacitor charges. See MICBIAS CURRENT DETECT in the WM8753L manual. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone - the future and help needed
c_c wrote: 1. dbus - I've coded in glib and I'm not yet comfortable in edbus. So here's [1] the code I used in guitartune to request resource CPU - can someone convert this to edbus? Also - how do I register a callback to be triggered on an incoming call? I've used it just few times, but something like this [2] should work (I've not tested it in the phone). [2] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/151118/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone - the future and help needed
Hi, c_c wrote: can someone convert this to edbus? Also - how do I register a callback to be triggered on an incoming call? I've used it just few times, but something like this [2] should work Ah! Thanks a lot. I get the idea. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone---the-future-and-help-needed-tp2623289p2636632.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bying a Freerunner with the buzz-fix on it
Am Mi 15. April 2009 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 02:33:14PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: And if it is the buzz fix (by adding the cap) that causes potential problems... what about the SOP currently applied to freerunners ? They may be impacted by incorrect ALSA states ? Yes, that was a concern of mine as well, so this too had to be checked and verified. The complication being that a reworked A6 can only be distinguished AFAIK by visual inspection and not by checking a bit in the hardware. Perhaps you could turn on MICBIAS and measure for how long the current is higher than normal as the capacitor charges. See MICBIAS CURRENT DETECT in the WM8753L manual. Alas there's no way to read back the results of MICBIAS CURRENT DETECT, so this won't help. There's a way to detect buzzfix by rapidly switching on and off MICBIAS and testing if you hear some buzz when recording from builtin mic. Werner has created a small program to do the switching job. Anyway I'm thinking about tackling this issue from a different more radical vector: implementing a autocalibration scheme for mic sensitivity. This would involve creating a known sound level (e.g. by playback via speaker) and checking (and adjusting) the sensitivity of mic according to the audio level fed back to the mic. Advantage: independent of device hw revision / hw patch level. No need for creation and maintenance of device specific statefiles or other config data. Problem: needs check whether it can be done at all. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bying a Freerunner with the buzz-fix on it
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: There's a way to detect buzzfix by rapidly switching on and off MICBIAS and testing if you hear some buzz when recording from builtin mic. Werner has created a small program to do the switching job. I'm actually not sure if this approach works. You can hear the ~40-50 Hz buzz that program (*) generates well enough, but when I added a buzzfix capacitor, that artificial noise was still there. It could be that I did something wrong, though, including not actually applying the buzz fix. (*) http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/wolfhammer/ - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] timezone broken again
This week in SHR was glad to see that editing /etc/timezone and copying from /usr/share/zoneinfo/smth to /etc/localtime did the trick --- changed from the London time to what one wanted to. But today I did an update/upgrade and it broke again. Now we get EEST timezone. Does anyone know how to fix it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
