Re: Litemoko, new window environment

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/8/14 Brock awwa...@thelackthereof.org

 On 2009.08.13.20.24, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
 | I've been playing with assembling a simple window environment with icewm
 for
 | some time. The results are here. It uses icewm, literki, litephone and a
 | simple launcher ( called litelaunch).

 Do we get source code too? :)

 And is it your launcher that is handling the gestures that switch
 between the three workspaces?


No, the top panel and the gestures are handled by literki.

There isn't much source code to see :-), the launcher is 100 lines,
litephone and literki are already available (although I'll try to put
literki on a repo). I had to do some hacks in icewm, I'll release the patch
(that one I have too :-))

Michal
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Re: [Wiki] Nominations for hall of fame.

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
I missed some nominees the first time round.

In addition both *Orrery* and *Numptyphysics* have gained HoF status, and 
their polls have been closed.

Marcel: Could you add them to the wiki?

I have another somewhat unrelated suggestion, but I think it might be a good 
idea to try and ensure that the applications on the HoF are in the feeds of 
most(all) distros. This way new users could easily install the cream-of-the-
crop

The nominees...

openBmap

Wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenBmap
Poll : http://www.doodle.com/yq52rxbm7qgnmayt

Openvibe

Wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openvibe
Poll : http://www.doodle.com/hkgtfzrw54bfd89c

qwo
---
Wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qwo
Poll : http://www.doodle.com/gasyrbm7hiekstyv

literki
---
Wiki : ??? http://pvtrace.com/literki2.png
Poll : http://www.doodle.com/zwe4vnpw7eqkywix

shr-settings

Wiki : ??? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR
Poll : http://www.doodle.com/9bh8psqc46yyh7vi







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Re: Intone 0.66 release

2009-08-14 Thread Marcel Brüggebors
2009/8/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com

   I'm thinking of moving the volume control to the settings page. That
 should give me some space for perhaps 2 more buttons (for +/- 5 sec fwd).
  What do you think?
  Please post your feedback. Thanks.
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3443088/intone_0.66_arm.ipk


Oh no, please don't do that! I often (have to) use the volume control for
adjusting to environmental noise but almost never seek in music tracks. I
know that's different in audio books, but even there one doesn't seek all
the time imho.
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Re: Intone 0.66 release

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
On Friday 14 August 2009 08:21:37 Marcel Brüggebors wrote:
 2009/8/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com

I'm thinking of moving the volume control to the settings page. That
  should give me some space for perhaps 2 more buttons (for +/- 5 sec fwd).
   What do you think?
   Please post your feedback. Thanks.
  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3443088/intone_0.66_arm.ipk

 Oh no, please don't do that! I often (have to) use the volume control for
 adjusting to environmental noise but almost never seek in music tracks. I
 know that's different in audio books, but even there one doesn't seek all
 the time imho.

I agree, I change the volume significantly more often then seeking.




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Re: how to block spam to commits-ow...@projects.openmoko.org?

2009-08-14 Thread Aapo Rantalainen
Ok, this issue is not solved yet. Now I got spam to
xxx-commits-bou...@projects.openmoko.org

In mailinglist options there are [Bounce processing].
There are many 'yes'-ticks, I really do not understand what all of
them means. I just disabled the first Should Mailman perform
automatic bounce processing?.

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: [Wiki] Nominations for hall of fame.

2009-08-14 Thread rakshat hooja


 I have another somewhat unrelated suggestion, but I think it might be a
 good
 idea to try and ensure that the applications on the HoF are in the feeds of
 most(all) distros. This way new users could easily install the
 cream-of-the-
 crop


+1

Thats what I havr been trying for the last few days. For SHR one needs to
open a ticket on the trac, make a .bb and I guess mail on the devl list for
help/ visibility.

The author contact info is there on the edit page (the application template
does not show it yet). If someone could help them get their applications
into the feeds it would be great.

Rakshat
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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

2009-08-14 Thread rakshat hooja



 There isn't much source code to see :-), the launcher is 100 lines,
 litephone and literki are already available (although I'll try to put
 literki on a repo). I had to do some hacks in icewm, I'll release the patch
 (that one I have too :-))

 Michal



And put litephone and literki in the SHR and OM2009 repos too.

Rakshat
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Re: [Wiki] Neon into Hall of Fame (2 Votes)

2009-08-14 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
 I can setup a poll or two for the other applications if thats desired?
Is it relevant to inform about those pools on Community Update?
Personally i think only discussion lists members should vote. Otherwise
someone may start to cheat - chances are low, but this may happen...

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Re: [SHR-U] Transparent qwo

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/8/13 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com

 Given that literki seems to be very quick and handles transparency very
 well, has anyone recently tried a transparent qwo?


The transparency in literki is something different. It's only a shaped
window. I don't know if it's possible to use alpha blending yet.
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Re: [Wiki] Neon into Hall of Fame (2 Votes)

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
 Is it relevant to inform about those pools on Community Update?
 Personally i think only discussion lists members should vote. Otherwise
 someone may start to cheat - chances are low, but this may happen...

Maybe just a mention of the Hall of Fame wiki page.  I`m not worried to much 
about cheating. Its against the spirit of the community and I believe most 
people knows this.






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Re: [Wiki] Nominations for hall of fame.

2009-08-14 Thread Biagio Marino
Hello,
on Doodle I voted for OpenVibe (LOL!) and SHR-Settings :-)
Where is the poll for Neon?
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Re: [Wiki] Nominations for hall of fame.

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel

 Where is the poll for Neon?

Neon already has enough votes for the HoF. So there is no poll :)


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Re: [Wiki] Nominations for hall of fame.

2009-08-14 Thread Marcel
Am Freitag, den 14.08.2009, 08:18 +0200 schrieb Adolph J. Vogel:
 I missed some nominees the first time round.
 
 In addition both *Orrery* and *Numptyphysics* have gained HoF status, and 
 their polls have been closed.
 
 Marcel: Could you add them to the wiki?

New nominees and Orrery are already in, I'm currently adding
Numptyphysics. And Leadman put screenshots in, looks much nicer now! :)


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Re: Evopedia 0.2.1

2009-08-14 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
 Everything is available at
 http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html
Do you provide any screen shots there?

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Re: [Wiki] Nominations for hall of fame.

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel

 New nominees and Orrery are already in, I'm currently adding
 Numptyphysics. And Leadman put screenshots in, looks much nicer now! :)

The HoF is coming together nicely :)

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Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)

2009-08-14 Thread Patryk Benderz
Dnia 2009-08-11, wto o godzinie 12:16 +0200, Davide Scaini pisze:
 ...i want it fixed too!!!
 is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix?
You could in the past - read Community Updates:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/June_25%2C_2009
I do not know if it is still possible to send FR for fix, but you can
try - let us know if you succeed.

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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

2009-08-14 Thread Christian Rüb
On Freitag, 14. August 2009 08:57:45 rakshat hooja wrote:
  There isn't much source code to see :-), the launcher is 100 lines,
  litephone and literki are already available (although I'll try to put
  literki on a repo). I had to do some hacks in icewm, I'll release the
  patch (that one I have too :-))
 
  Michal

 And put litephone and literki in the SHR and OM2009 repos too.

 Rakshat

There is currently some litephone development happening by cmusik here [1], I 
do not know if/when the git is also placed on sourceforge, maybe the devs can 
shed some light here. You can get ipk here [2] (I use it on my SHR-U).

I can upload the bitbake recipe I use tonight if anyone is interested.

Cheers,
 Christian

[1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=litephone;a=summary
[2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable

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Re: Intone 0.66 release

2009-08-14 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
   I'm thinking of moving the volume control to the settings page. That
 should give me some space for perhaps 2 more buttons (for +/- 5 sec fwd). 
   What do you think?
IMHO it is better to get rid os icons next to song names, and put volume
slider vertically on right side of LCD.
   Please post your feedback. Thanks.
 
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3443088/intone_0.66_arm.ipk intone_0.66_arm.ipk 
Tell me, why do you use nabble for posting ipk, when this package is on:
http://www.opkg.org/packages/intone_0.66_arm.ipk
?

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Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel

  is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix?



I know this is a long shot, but anyone know of a place that does bug 
fixing in Africa ( hopefully South Africa ) ?

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Re: [Wiki] Neon into Hall of Fame (2 Votes)

2009-08-14 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
 Maybe just a mention of the Hall of Fame wiki page.  I`m not worried to much 
 about cheating. Its against the spirit of the community and I believe most 
 people knows this.
I already made a short note about HoF, The question was: what about
Doodle?


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Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)

2009-08-14 Thread KaZeR



David Samblas Martinez wrote:
 
 There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great
 bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english
 english version here
 http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics
 I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon
 

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Re: [SHR-U] Transparent qwo

2009-08-14 Thread Richard Kralovic
Hello,

I am using transparent qwo, but I haven't upgraded my FR since I wrote
the instructions (it's on my todo list, but... :-) ). So, I am not very
sure about the current state of packages, but to the best of my
knowledge, situation is as follows:

1) 2) Nobody maintains Xglamo, last commit at git.openmoko.org was 7
months ago. Glamo driver for xorg is under active development, so maybe
it just works by now. Nevertheless, the patch on Xglamo was accepted to
SHR quite long time ago, so if you use SHR+Xglamo, part of my patch
should be included. (It is the part that fixes crashing; the second part
of the patch that improves motion event handling has not been included
afaik).

3) No idea if the composite extension is enabled by default in any
distribution, but this is just a configuration issue...

4) Xcompmgr is in openembedded, but I do not know if the binary is
provided by the standard opkg feeds of any distribution.

5) You do not really have to patch qwo; an alternative is to use
transset utility to set the transparency manually. However, the patch
improves usability significantly imho. The transparency patch has not
been accepted upstream yet. (Actually, last commit to qwo git repository
is from 28 May).

6) I am not aware of any inclusions of the illume patch anywhere.

Greets
Richard


Dan Staley wrote:
 I really like the idea of qwo and want to try out the transparent
 version mentioned at [1].
 However, the instructions were written months ago, and involve patching
 xglamo and illume...so I am hesitant to try given that the changes may
 not be relevant as the packages may have changed (perhaps even
 implemented the patches!).
 
 Given that literki seems to be very quick and handles transparency very
 well, has anyone recently tried a transparent qwo?  If so, are the
 patches and install process at [1] still applicable?
 If soare there any plans to merge the patches in so that a
 transparent binary of qwo could be provided?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 -Dan Staley
 
 [1] http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/
 
 
 
 
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Re: The trivial #1024 GSM fix

2009-08-14 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:51:59PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk writes:
 
  1) Find somewhere to buy a 10 uF SMD capacitor small enough. E.g. there's
  nowhere in Denmark I can get one. I'd need to go abroad (Malmö, Sweden)[1]
  for a shop that sells a 0805 16 V one to hobbyists or, as I'll do in this
  case, buy 20 0805 22 uF ones from Digikey, of which 18 will be used
  for the bass fix, one for #1024 and one for fun and games[2].
 
 I admit it's easier to source the cap being in Moscow, here you just
 go to a shop and buy as many as you need. But even if one can't go to
 a shop himself he can ask a buddy to get the caps and send by snail
 mail. I can't see how it's can make a real problem.

   This means you need to find a buddy who can get the caps. I think it's
just a lot easier to find components in your part of the world. For example,
while looking for a VS6724Q0FB camera module, I've come across no less than
four russian webshops[1] that seem to offer it. In contrast, the only three
places that turn up in Europe are distributors that only sell to businesses
and organisations[2].

[1] http://www.radel.ru/items_128989.htm
http://www.prom-electro.ru/index.php?categoryID=13+99+2
http://www.cec-mc.ru/icatalog/view/377595.html
http://www.imek.su/66500/item66295.html
[2] http://www.eurotech.co.uk/components/1523.html
http://www.rutronik.com/
http://www.baselectronic.com/stocklist.html

  2) Disassemble the Neo not doing any damage.
 
 Trivial, wiki instructions are very clear, and plastic clips are
 durable enough. I did it the day i bought my FR without fear or
 issues.

   No, you need to apply a lot more force than I'm comfortable with for a
device that I want to keep in a usable condition. As it turns out, it works
out fine, but that's not obvious from the beginning. But yes, maybe we just
need to make a video of someone doing it. For example, I would be most
interested in seeing Jörg Reisenweber's one-hand trick with the PCB.

  5) Put the can back on in a reasonably good shape.
  6) Assemble the Neo.
 
 Both are non-issues for any man who's not disabled.

   I withdraw 5) and 6). If you've gone so far as to take the Neo apart in
the first place, reassembling it will be a non-issue.

 Having seen so many cool hardware projects/tricks/hacking devices/DIY
 mods from European folks i really doubt it's that hard to find a guy
 who can solder modern components somewhere nearby. Aren't there any
 projects in universities that require soldering? So there're people
 who know how to do it.

   I, for one, wouldn't really know where to look if I couldn't solder
myself.

 Sometimes i'm told i'm leaving in a parallel universe. Well, that's
 quite possible indeed.

   And a much better universe too. Where did you find that wormhole? :-)

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Re: GPS NMEA sentences over serial port

2009-08-14 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 03:35:36PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM, RANJAN infi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Read all of this
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS

   Please do not refer him to outdated information. The page even has a
warning at the top of it:

WARNING: Most of this article is only relevant for Om 2008. The gpsd
has been obsoleted by the ogpsd which offers a DBUS interface. Do
not run these two daemons side by side. If backward compatibility is
needed, use ogpsd with fso-gpsd.

   Instead of messing with the serial port, connect to the Neo over TCP/IP
on the standard gpsd port (2947). You will probably have to change how
fso-gpsd is started, so the option '-S localhost:gpsd' reads just '-S gpsd'.

   Alternatively, and this is what I suggest, use ssh to forward connections
from the gpsd port on your laptop to the gpsd port on your Neo:

$ ssh -L localhost:2947:localhost:2947 debian-gta02 -- sleep inf 

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FSO resources, GPS-TTFF example (Was: is wifi-driver developed anymore?)

2009-08-14 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:15:31AM +0200, arne anka wrote:
 
  - the fso way of retrieving the resource is discouraged
 
  Hm, no? fsoraw does exactly that: manages access to resources the fso
  way.
 
 it's not that i know all these fso dbus commands by heart, but
 
 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage  
 org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled
 
 which you called in this particular case harmful, looks pretty much like  
 the fso way to me. am i wrong?

   Yes. :-( You should not use SetResourcePolicy if you can at all avoid
it. If an app needs a resource, it should call RequestResource instead.
If the app doesn't have FSO support, use fsoraw to request the resource.

   There is a bit of trickery in using fsoraw with a shell script. You can
either make the script call itself with fsoraw except if given a command
line option such as --no-fsoraw, or use a here-document. Example of the
latter:

#!/bin/sh

# GPS-TTFF - Find GPS time to first fix using all the important buzz-words
# such as D-bus, Gypsy, freedesktop.org and freesmartphone.org.

# Destinations and paths are listed in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/*.
# Interfaces are documented at URL:http://docs.freesmartphone.org/.

fsoraw -r GPS -- sh __end_of_script

DBUSCALL_='dbus-send --print-reply=undocumented --system --type=method_call 
--dest='

if [ --coldstart = $1 ]; then
rm -f /var/lib/freesmartphone/ogpsd.pickle
fi

START=$(date +%s)

# Where is the first return value from GetPosition documented?
while ${DBUSCALL_}org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy 
org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition \
| head -n 1 | grep -q -v -F -e 'int32 15' -e 'int32 7'; do
sleep 1
done

FINISH=$(date +%s)

echo Time to first fix: $((${FINISH} - ${START})) s

${DBUSCALL_}org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy 
org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition
__end_of_script

   Please compare with how it should not be done, by a clueless newbie:
https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-July/050629.html

 why is simply requesting the resource like openmoko-panel-plugin does,  
 sufficient?

   Requesting the resource tells FSO that an app wants to use the resource.
If the policy permits, FSO will arrange for the resource to be available.

 which is the rationale for fsoraw here?

   To request resources for apps that don't have FSO support themselves.

 why using fsoraw, why isn't fso sufficient?

   You are confused. Fsoraw uses FSO.

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Re: fsoraw (Was: is wifi-driver developed anymore?)

2009-08-14 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:31:13PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
 
 next, where does one get fsoraw from (the ticket links to the sources, but  
 i never actually saw a binary, let alone a package somewhere)?

   IIRC, I found it on the mokomaze site.

$ dpkg-query --search $(which fsoraw)
fsoraw: /usr/bin/fsoraw

$ dpkg-query --status fsoraw
Package: fsoraw
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: utils
Maintainer: ANT
Architecture: armel
Source: fsoraw
Version: 0.01a+svn13-r1
Depends: libdbus-1-3
Description: FSO Resource Allocation Wrapper. You may use it to prevent
suspending or light dimming.
Homepage: http://noko.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/noko/trunk/fsoraw/

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Re: GPS NMEA sentences over serial port

2009-08-14 Thread RANJAN
Problem is solved now.Thank you all.I will have to worry about solving an
other one now.

Sriranjan

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen 
ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 03:35:36PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote:
  On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM, RANJAN infi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Read all of this
 
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS

Please do not refer him to outdated information. The page even has a
 warning at the top of it:

WARNING: Most of this article is only relevant for Om 2008. The gpsd
has been obsoleted by the ogpsd which offers a DBUS interface. Do
not run these two daemons side by side. If backward compatibility is
 needed, use ogpsd with fso-gpsd.

Instead of messing with the serial port, connect to the Neo over TCP/IP
 on the standard gpsd port (2947). You will probably have to change how
 fso-gpsd is started, so the option '-S localhost:gpsd' reads just '-S
 gpsd'.

   Alternatively, and this is what I suggest, use ssh to forward connections
 from the gpsd port on your laptop to the gpsd port on your Neo:

 $ ssh -L localhost:2947:localhost:2947 debian-gta02 -- sleep inf 

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[SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
Hi,

I'm using shr unstable from 08.08. Whenever I put it to suspend, it wakes up
after a few minutes. Has anyone noticed this?

Michal
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Re: Fwd: buzzfix in India

2009-08-14 Thread Vikas Saurabh
Hi All,

We are planning a buzz fix for FRs in India. As Rakshat has already
pointed out, the guy who would do the buzz fix is placed at Delhi. IDA
systems would be bearing the cost of buzz fix while we need to take
care of sending in the devices and take it back.
People in Delhi itself can of course bump in personally.

I already know of Vibhav and Gora who are in Delhi and would be
interested. Please use this thread to show your preference and if you
be shipping or coming in personally. We are still to figure out a date
for this.

The buzz fix would be done at:
Baig Electronics
K-33 Batla House, near Mosque Khalilullah
Jamia Nagar okhla
011-26984151
9810134572
(although I couldn't figure out the exact address but Mosque
Khalilullah is at http://wikimapia.org/587273/Masjid-Khalilullah...so
reaching there shouldn't be very hard :)

quote from Rakshat's first mail
IDA Systems (with support from Openmoko) will cover the actual costs
of the buzz fix procedure and the components. Shipping costs (to and
back from) Delhi, where the contracter who will undertake the Buzz Fix
is based, will have to be borne by the customer (We will work with you
to get good and easy shipping options and also give a free extra
Battery as a return gift with each Freerunner sent for the Buzz Fix to
cover costs)
/quote
I am unsure how would that work out but I guess Rakshat can jump in
here. While I don't know about postage options, I think the package
can still be sent to one of us (users) and we would take all the FRs
to the guy at the same time.

I think we can update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BuzzFixParty as
soon as this takes a little more shape

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Re: [Wiki] Neon into Hall of Fame (2 Votes)

2009-08-14 Thread Adolph J. Vogel

 I already made a short note about HoF, The question was: what about
 Doodle?

Hmmm, I think lets leave it out for the moment.




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Re: Objective comparison between emergency usb chargers

2009-08-14 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Ed Kapiteine...@kapitein.org wrote:
 I hope we can collaborate, collect useful data and publicate
 them. Im very tired all these cheap half-finished electrical
 devices (I can only charge 27% from a 3500mAh 3.7V
 accumulator! It is insane!)

 i think 3.7 V is just not enough to charge the freerunner, in need to be
 5.5V  if i am not mistaken.
 I also want to collect the *efficiency* of the charger backed up
 with some measured data.

The charger itself internally has two 3.7V Li-Ion battery parallel connected.
There is an internal circuit with some DC-DC converter to deliver the
correct 5V output.

The problem is, that FreeRunner's battery is 3.7V 1200mAh(4.44Wh),
that charger's battery is 3.7V 3500mAh(12.95Wh), so no matter
how efficient the internal DC-DC converter it should charge at
least once the freerunner. (with 50% efficiency we still
have 3.7*3.5*0.5 = 6.48Wh power what the Freerunner get at the end).

So if it cant charge the Freerunner at least once, something is
seriously fucked up design-wise.

Best regards,
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Re: [SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

2009-08-14 Thread arne anka
is deep sleep disabled?

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Re: FSO resources, GPS-TTFF example (Was: is wifi-driver developed anymore?)

2009-08-14 Thread arne anka
 If the app doesn't have FSO support, use fsoraw to request the resource.

_now_ i am confused.
in my understanding
- resources are an fso concept -- thus, no fso support, no resource
- fsoraw uses fso calls to utilize the resource -- no resource, no way to  
use fsoraw

 why using fsoraw, why isn't fso sufficient?

You are confused. Fsoraw uses FSO.


sorry, but imo _you_ are confused. i never denied, fsoraw using fso.

what i always tried to find out, and i understand now even less than  
before: what is the rationale for fsoraw?

if it does nothing but requesting the resource, a dbus call would do  
exactly the same w/o need of an additional app (and second one to release  
afterwards, of course).
if it does soemthing a dbus call won't be able to deliver, why isn't fso  
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Re: [SHR] wakes up from suspend after a few minutes

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
yes

2009/8/14 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de

 is deep sleep disabled?

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Re: FSO resources, GPS-TTFF example (Was: is wifi-driver developed anymore?)

2009-08-14 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 14:15 +0200, arne anka wrote:
  If the app doesn't have FSO support, use fsoraw to request the resource.
 
 _now_ i am confused.
 in my understanding
...
 what i always tried to find out, and i understand now even less than  
 before: what is the rationale for fsoraw?
 
 if it does nothing but requesting the resource, a dbus call would do  
 exactly the same w/o need of an additional app (and second one to release  
 afterwards, of course).
 if it does soemthing a dbus call won't be able to deliver, why isn't fso  
 extended to include that functionality?
 

fsoraw, mdbus and dbus-send all allow management of resources.  mdbus is
slow - very slow - its was apparently a test tool that proved useful.
An advantage that it does have is that it can request some resources and
they stay requested until you specifically request them to be released.
I was never able to use dbus-send reliably though it was reccomended as
a replacement for mdbus.

fsoraw is fast - thats its main advantage, plus when it requests a
resource, it releases it on exit - so when the app called by fsoraw
exits, fsoraw then also exits and the resource is automaticly released.
All fsoraw seems to be is a program that calls the dbus libraries
directly, hence its speed.

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Re: Evopedia 0.2.1

2009-08-14 Thread Christian Reitwießner
Patryk Benderz schrieb:
 [cut]
 Everything is available at
 http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html
 Do you provide any screen shots there?

It actually looks just like the article area of the official Wikipedia,
but you are right, screenshots are always nice. I have put some on the
opkg.org site: http://www.opkg.org/package_128.html

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Re: Fwd: buzzfix in India

2009-08-14 Thread c_c

Hi,
  I would like to get my FR buzz fixed too. I was kind of hoping we could
get the #1024 (modem deep sleep) and the bass workaround for the earphones
done at the same time. Particularly #1024 since it really seems to seriously
improve battery life. Both require adding additional capacitors in parallel
and aren't too tough.
  I could send my FR by courier or get it personally if the fix is sometime
around Diwali.
Thanks. 
  

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Re: Evopedia 0.2.1

2009-08-14 Thread Patryk Benderz
 It actually looks just like the article area of the official Wikipedia,
 but you are right, screenshots are always nice. I have put some on the
 opkg.org site: http://www.opkg.org/package_128.html
Thanks, actually i need this for CU entry and its tiresome to install
all applications just to make screen-shots...

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Re: Intone 0.66 release

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   :-) Well, it seems to me that some users don't use opkg.org. I hope I'm
 not breaking some ML rule here - am I?
Well, probably not, but i remember a thread where some users, including
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I was afraid nabble could do something bad with ipks also. Besides
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Re: [SHR-U] Transparent qwo

2009-08-14 Thread Dan Staley
Thanks for the reply!
I may give it a try when I get the time and I'll report back how it goes.


-Dan

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Richard Kralovic r...@om.ksp.sk wrote:

 Hello,

 I am using transparent qwo, but I haven't upgraded my FR since I wrote
 the instructions (it's on my todo list, but... :-) ). So, I am not very
 sure about the current state of packages, but to the best of my
 knowledge, situation is as follows:

 1) 2) Nobody maintains Xglamo, last commit at git.openmoko.org was 7
 months ago. Glamo driver for xorg is under active development, so maybe
 it just works by now. Nevertheless, the patch on Xglamo was accepted to
 SHR quite long time ago, so if you use SHR+Xglamo, part of my patch
 should be included. (It is the part that fixes crashing; the second part
 of the patch that improves motion event handling has not been included
 afaik).

 3) No idea if the composite extension is enabled by default in any
 distribution, but this is just a configuration issue...

 4) Xcompmgr is in openembedded, but I do not know if the binary is
 provided by the standard opkg feeds of any distribution.

 5) You do not really have to patch qwo; an alternative is to use
 transset utility to set the transparency manually. However, the patch
 improves usability significantly imho. The transparency patch has not
 been accepted upstream yet. (Actually, last commit to qwo git repository
 is from 28 May).

 6) I am not aware of any inclusions of the illume patch anywhere.

 Greets
Richard


 Dan Staley wrote:
  I really like the idea of qwo and want to try out the transparent
  version mentioned at [1].
  However, the instructions were written months ago, and involve patching
  xglamo and illume...so I am hesitant to try given that the changes may
  not be relevant as the packages may have changed (perhaps even
  implemented the patches!).
 
  Given that literki seems to be very quick and handles transparency very
  well, has anyone recently tried a transparent qwo?  If so, are the
  patches and install process at [1] still applicable?
  If soare there any plans to merge the patches in so that a
  transparent binary of qwo could be provided?
 
  Thanks in advance,
  -Dan Staley
 
  [1] 
  http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/%7Eriso/Openmoko/qwo/
 
 
  
 
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Re: Fwd: buzzfix in India

2009-08-14 Thread Vikas Saurabh
  I would like to get my FR buzz fixed too. I was kind of hoping we could
 get the #1024 (modem deep sleep) and the bass workaround for the earphones
 done at the same time. Particularly #1024 since it really seems to seriously
 improve battery life. Both require adding additional capacitors in parallel
 and aren't too tough.

I was also thinking on the same lines. I guess we can take the
schematics/print etc and get it done. At least I would be fine to bear
the extra cost (if any) myself
@rakshat: what do you think about this?

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litephone message with illume keyboard

2009-08-14 Thread Vikas Saurabh
I found a pretty weird behavior on litephone message while typing with
illume keyboard. While using dictionary some letters get typed at
wrong places:
e.g. if you type 'did' it comes up as 'ddi'

Is it just me? Is it known?

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[SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Dan Staley
Now that my moko has the buzzfix, I can finally use it as a real phone, and
not just a handheld linux box.
I flashed SHR-U on my phone and can say that overall, it has worked pretty
well...however I have noticed a couple of things that I'm thinking surely
someone else has run into and maybe has a fix for.

1.)  Occasionally (usually after a phone call) it seems that GSM, suspend,
et al. stop working.  Just from looking over bug reports and such, I'm
assuming this is due to frameworkd crashing...however I haven't noticed
anything unusual in the logs...does anyone else experience this?  Is the
best fix just to restart frameworkd when it happens?

2.)  One of the first things I noticed was that when a text message arrived,
the number associated with it has the international code (1) prefixed at the
beginning.  On my sim card, I only had the numbers stored with the area code
+ 7 digits for numberno international prefix.  So using pisi (which
works perfectly btw!  Thanks for that app!)  I exported my contacts to a vcf
file and ran some regexes with vim over it to prefix a 1 to all my numbers
and went back to my messagessure enough the numbers were associated with
names now.  However, soon after I got a phone calland I noticed that all
phone calls had numbers reported that did NOT have the 1 prefixed...so no
names were associated with them now!
Has anyone found a fix for this?  Is there a patch for the SHR apps that
make them lookup a number that is not a direct match (missing a 1 or an area
code?)

I installed the opimd-utils package and tried these out.  It seems the
messages application included in this package can recognize a number
correctly (if it comes in with a 1 prefixed, but the listing in my phone
book does not).  If I wanted to use this messaging application instead of
the default one in SHRhow would I do that?  How do I disable the old
one?  Does anyone know if litephone handles this correctly?


Thanks,
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-08-14 Thread Dan Staley
Hi, I decided I wanted to try out litephone on the latest SHR-U and I
followed the steps above.  However whenever I run the gsm registering script
I run into problems.

The first time I run it, I get:
Enabling GSM for ever
/org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
Turning antenna on
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
Registering
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled


And then any time after that, I get:
Enabling GSM for ever
/org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
Turning antenna on
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
Registering
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled


I assumed that perhaps I just needed to restart frameworkd...but that didnt
help.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Am I just missing something?

Thanks,
-Dan Staley

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote:

 Hi,

 I gave it a try and wrote an FSO based phone app in Qt. It's using the new
 PIM service, and since that's not completely stable yet, there are a few
 problems. I'm releasing this anyway, to help test FSO, and meanwhile get
 some feedback on the gui and general idea. Consider it an alpha release.
 There might be little bugs here and there.

 The basic idea on the GUI is that it is packed in one window, the various
 'modules' (contacts, messages, dialer, etc) placed into tabs. No popup
 windows.
 Screenshot:
 http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone1.png

 The best way to use it on SHR is to stop ophoned, turn on the GSM service
 and register by hand, wait for some initialization in opimd, and then start
 the phone app. Technically you can just start the phone, and it will init
 GSM, but due to a bug in opimd, messages and contacts will start duplicating
 when you exit and run it again.

 The steps:
  - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
 phone app itself).
  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something stop
  - Move /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd somewhere else (like your home
 dir).
  - Run the script http://pvtrace.com/litephone/gsm_register.sh (this will
 enable gsm and register, and will stay like that until you turn it off by
 hand)
  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something start
  - Get the style definition http://pvtrace.com/litephone/style_sheet.conf
  - Run 'phone style_sheet.conf'

 If you don't see your contacts and messages, try exiting and running again.
 opimd does some initialization upon GSM start that takes 1-2 minutes and
 currently there is no signal implemented that notifies about it.

 Making and receiving calls and messages should work without problems. You
 can add, edit and delete contacts, but deleting messages doesn't work
 because it's not implemented in opimd yet.

 Scrolling lists (contacts, etc) is done by click, not by drag (I hate
 drag-scrolling). Contacts have a smaller sparse list on the right that
 lets you scroll faster.

 The way composing new messages works is when you hit 'text' or 'reply'
 somewhere and a 'compose' tab is not created yet, it creates one with an
 appropriate recipient. If one is open already, it just adds to the list of
 recipients. So the way to send a message to multiple recipients is to keep
 going back to Contacts for example, and add them one by one. While it's not
 very intuitive, it's simple and it works :-)

 I hope you have fun
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-08-14 Thread Dan Staley
Opps.  Forget I said anything.  I DID just need to restart frameworkdI
just needed to wait longer for it to finish initializing.

-Dan Staley


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi, I decided I wanted to try out litephone on the latest SHR-U and I
 followed the steps above.  However whenever I run the gsm registering script
 I run into problems.

 The first time I run it, I get:
 Enabling GSM for ever
 /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
 Turning antenna on
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
 Registering
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled


 And then any time after that, I get:
 Enabling GSM for ever
 /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
 Turning antenna on
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
 Registering
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled


 I assumed that perhaps I just needed to restart frameworkd...but that didnt
 help.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Am I just missing something?

 Thanks,
 -Dan Staley

 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote:

 Hi,

 I gave it a try and wrote an FSO based phone app in Qt. It's using the new
 PIM service, and since that's not completely stable yet, there are a few
 problems. I'm releasing this anyway, to help test FSO, and meanwhile get
 some feedback on the gui and general idea. Consider it an alpha release.
 There might be little bugs here and there.

 The basic idea on the GUI is that it is packed in one window, the various
 'modules' (contacts, messages, dialer, etc) placed into tabs. No popup
 windows.
 Screenshot:
 http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone1.png

 The best way to use it on SHR is to stop ophoned, turn on the GSM service
 and register by hand, wait for some initialization in opimd, and then start
 the phone app. Technically you can just start the phone, and it will init
 GSM, but due to a bug in opimd, messages and contacts will start duplicating
 when you exit and run it again.

 The steps:
  - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
 phone app itself).
  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something stop
  - Move /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd somewhere else (like your home
 dir).
  - Run the script http://pvtrace.com/litephone/gsm_register.sh (this will
 enable gsm and register, and will stay like that until you turn it off by
 hand)
  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something start
  - Get the style definition http://pvtrace.com/litephone/style_sheet.conf
  - Run 'phone style_sheet.conf'

 If you don't see your contacts and messages, try exiting and running
 again. opimd does some initialization upon GSM start that takes 1-2 minutes
 and currently there is no signal implemented that notifies about it.

 Making and receiving calls and messages should work without problems. You
 can add, edit and delete contacts, but deleting messages doesn't work
 because it's not implemented in opimd yet.

 Scrolling lists (contacts, etc) is done by click, not by drag (I hate
 drag-scrolling). Contacts have a smaller sparse list on the right that
 lets you scroll faster.

 The way composing new messages works is when you hit 'text' or 'reply'
 somewhere and a 'compose' tab is not created yet, it creates one with an
 appropriate recipient. If one is open already, it just adds to the list of
 recipients. So the way to send a message to multiple recipients is to keep
 going back to Contacts for example, and add them one by one. While it's not
 very intuitive, it's simple and it works :-)

 I hope you have fun
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/8/14 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com


 2.)  One of the first things I noticed was that when a text message
 arrived, the number associated with it has the international code (1)
 prefixed at the beginning.  On my sim card, I only had the numbers stored
 with the area code + 7 digits for numberno international prefix.  So
 using pisi (which works perfectly btw!  Thanks for that app!)  I exported my
 contacts to a vcf file and ran some regexes with vim over it to prefix a 1
 to all my numbers and went back to my messagessure enough the numbers
 were associated with names now.  However, soon after I got a phone
 calland I noticed that all phone calls had numbers reported that did NOT
 have the 1 prefixed...so no names were associated with them now!
 Has anyone found a fix for this?  Is there a patch for the SHR apps that
 make them lookup a number that is not a direct match (missing a 1 or an area
 code?)

 I installed the opimd-utils package and tried these out.  It seems the
 messages application included in this package can recognize a number
 correctly (if it comes in with a 1 prefixed, but the listing in my phone
 book does not).  If I wanted to use this messaging application instead of
 the default one in SHRhow would I do that?  How do I disable the old
 one?  Does anyone know if litephone handles this correctly?


Thanks for bringing this up. No, litephone doesn't handle this correctly.

I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one number
is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure) cases where
this would give false positives?

Michal
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Re: Fwd: buzzfix in India

2009-08-14 Thread rakshat hooja
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Vikas Saurabh vikas.saur...@gmail.comwrote:

   I would like to get my FR buzz fixed too. I was kind of hoping we could
  get the #1024 (modem deep sleep) and the bass workaround for the
 earphones
  done at the same time. Particularly #1024 since it really seems to
 seriously
  improve battery life. Both require adding additional capacitors in
 parallel
  and aren't too tough.

 I was also thinking on the same lines. I guess we can take the
 schematics/print etc and get it done. At least I would be fine to bear
 the extra cost (if any) myself
 @rakshat: what do you think about this?



If you can explain the #1024 fix to Baig, IDA will cover the cost for the
fix. But please note we have only tested buzz fix at his shop and provided
him with parts for the buzz fix. From my understanding the Bass fix is
tougher.

Also I can mail the batteries to the repair shop or to one of you. Let me
know how that should be done.

Also as Zoheb (zoheb at idasystems dot net) coordinates most of this please
let him know before you visit the shop so that he makes sure proper
instructions to not charge you are there.

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
Oh, you don't need the script anymore. This issue happens when frameworkd
hasn't powered up yet (it takes a few minutes).

Check the newest litephone package from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/

It should wait for frameworkd to start up.

2009/8/14 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com

 Hi, I decided I wanted to try out litephone on the latest SHR-U and I
 followed the steps above.  However whenever I run the gsm registering script
 I run into problems.

 The first time I run it, I get:
 Enabling GSM for ever
 /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
 Turning antenna on
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
 Registering
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled


 And then any time after that, I get:
 Enabling GSM for ever
 /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
 Turning antenna on
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: SetAntennaPower failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled
 Registering
 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Register failed:
 org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled


 I assumed that perhaps I just needed to restart frameworkd...but that didnt
 help.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Am I just missing something?

 Thanks,
 -Dan Staley

 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote:

 Hi,

 I gave it a try and wrote an FSO based phone app in Qt. It's using the new
 PIM service, and since that's not completely stable yet, there are a few
 problems. I'm releasing this anyway, to help test FSO, and meanwhile get
 some feedback on the gui and general idea. Consider it an alpha release.
 There might be little bugs here and there.

 The basic idea on the GUI is that it is packed in one window, the various
 'modules' (contacts, messages, dialer, etc) placed into tabs. No popup
 windows.
 Screenshot:
 http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone1.png

 The best way to use it on SHR is to stop ophoned, turn on the GSM service
 and register by hand, wait for some initialization in opimd, and then start
 the phone app. Technically you can just start the phone, and it will init
 GSM, but due to a bug in opimd, messages and contacts will start duplicating
 when you exit and run it again.

 The steps:
  - Install all the ipks from http://pvtrace.com/litephone/ (qt deps and
 phone app itself).
  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something stop
  - Move /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd somewhere else (like your home
 dir).
  - Run the script http://pvtrace.com/litephone/gsm_register.sh (this will
 enable gsm and register, and will stay like that until you turn it off by
 hand)
  - Run /etc/init.d/x-something start
  - Get the style definition http://pvtrace.com/litephone/style_sheet.conf
  - Run 'phone style_sheet.conf'

 If you don't see your contacts and messages, try exiting and running
 again. opimd does some initialization upon GSM start that takes 1-2 minutes
 and currently there is no signal implemented that notifies about it.

 Making and receiving calls and messages should work without problems. You
 can add, edit and delete contacts, but deleting messages doesn't work
 because it's not implemented in opimd yet.

 Scrolling lists (contacts, etc) is done by click, not by drag (I hate
 drag-scrolling). Contacts have a smaller sparse list on the right that
 lets you scroll faster.

 The way composing new messages works is when you hit 'text' or 'reply'
 somewhere and a 'compose' tab is not created yet, it creates one with an
 appropriate recipient. If one is open already, it just adds to the list of
 recipients. So the way to send a message to multiple recipients is to keep
 going back to Contacts for example, and add them one by one. While it's not
 very intuitive, it's simple and it works :-)

 I hope you have fun
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Vikas Saurabh
 I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
 sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one number
 is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure) cases where
 this would give false positives?

/etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf has some configuration for exactly
similar purpose. I think thats how the opimd-utils get it info
correctly. Should opimd have a function to map these is what dos1
would decide :)

--Vikas

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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Edder
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Vikas Saurabhvikas.saur...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
 sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one number
 is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure) cases where
 this would give false positives?

 /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf has some configuration for exactly
 similar purpose. I think thats how the opimd-utils get it info
 correctly. Should opimd have a function to map these is what dos1
 would decide :)

 --Vikas

I think those configuration options moved to: /etc/phone-utils.conf

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Re: Qalee 0.0.3 released

2009-08-14 Thread Dan Staley
Hi, on your page you provide a tarball of the rootfs for Qalee.
Is there anyway to provide either a jffs flashable image for the nand memory
or perhaps since Qalee is SHR based now, simply an opkg or tarball for
installing Qalee on top of an exisiting SHR install?
I'd love to try it out, but currently use my sd card as a persistant home
directory and swap space between flashes and would rather keep to just
installing distros to the nand.

Thanks,
-Dan Staley

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Christophe M meumeu1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Qalee 0.0.3 is out !!!See annoucement @
 http://think-free.homelinux.org/wordpress/


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[ALL] uboot, SDHC, and ext2

2009-08-14 Thread Russell Dwiggins
I have been trying to make uboot boot my choice of distro (using ext2) on an
SD card for quite a while without success.  I had done it in the past with
FAT+ext2 partitions, but never with a single ext2 partition.  As a matter of
fact, uboot had never been able to show the contents of my SD card's ext2
partitions.  So I did some googling and found a discussion that seemed to
relate to my problem:
http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-ext2ls---SD-ts22728281.html#a22756563

 

I tried the following:

mke2fs -I 128 /dev/sd*

copied a rootfs from one of the working distros, started uboot, mmcinit, and
lo and behold, ext2ls listed the contents of the partition, and uboot booted
it!

 

I added the info to the discussion of the Booting_from_SD page, but I
thought I'd bring it up here as well since I haven't seen this discussed in
the wiki or in these lists.  Is this well known?  Do we know if there is a
uboot capable of  booting cards partitioned by modern mkfs?

 

Russell Dwiggins

 

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RE: Qalee 0.0.3 released

2009-08-14 Thread Russell Dwiggins
Is there anyway to provide either a jffs flashable image for the nand
memory or perhaps since Qalee is SHR based now, simply an opkg or tarball
for installing Qalee on top of an exisiting SHR install?  



Dan, there's a guide to making your own jffs2 on the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image

I've tried it and it works well.

 

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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
 I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
 sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one
 number is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure)
 cases where this would give false positives?

Here in Russia +7916xxx and 8916xxx are the same numbers, but 
neither one is prefix of the other one.

Btw, when somebody calls me (to my daily phone, not freerunner), caller 
number is autodetected with 8xxx form, while in the address book I prefer 
to have +7xxx form such that it works abroad.

Nikita

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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/14/09, Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Vikas Saurabhvikas.saur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
 sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one
 number
 is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure) cases where
 this would give false positives?

 /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf has some configuration for exactly
 similar purpose. I think thats how the opimd-utils get it info
 correctly. Should opimd have a function to map these is what dos1
 would decide :)

 --Vikas

 I think those configuration options moved to: /etc/phone-utils.conf

For opimd-utils users: that's not phone suite, it's only set of test
scripts. It does contact resolving in bad way.
For libframeworkd-phonegui-efl users (default SHR): as said before,
you have to edit /etc/phone-utils.conf to match your country. SHR
Settings module for that is planned and should arrive soon.
For programmers: you can do contact resolving manually using
libphone-utils library (or python-phoneutils bindings), both available
in SHR. opimd soon should handle number normalizing when comparing
correctly, so all you have to do is doing queries with normalized
phone number using libphone-utils.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos

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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/14/09, Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org wrote:
 I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
 sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one
 number is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure)
 cases where this would give false positives?

 Here in Russia +7916xxx and 8916xxx are the same numbers, but
 neither one is prefix of the other one.

 Btw, when somebody calls me (to my daily phone, not freerunner), caller
 number is autodetected with 8xxx form, while in the address book I prefer
 to have +7xxx form such that it works abroad.

 Nikita

Correct implementation is already done in libphone-utils. Handling
that case should be possible with correct country configuration.

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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/8/14 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com

 For opimd-utils users: that's not phone suite, it's only set of test
 scripts. It does contact resolving in bad way.
 For libframeworkd-phonegui-efl users (default SHR): as said before,
 you have to edit /etc/phone-utils.conf to match your country.


Will it work if you call international numbers?
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/8/14 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm

 2009/8/14 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com

 For opimd-utils users: that's not phone suite, it's only set of test
 scripts. It does contact resolving in bad way.
 For libframeworkd-phonegui-efl users (default SHR): as said before,
 you have to edit /etc/phone-utils.conf to match your country.


 Will it work if you call international numbers?


Sorry, the question doesn't make sense.

If there is a number in contacts without a country prefix, you will just
assume that its country is as defined in /etc/phone-utils.conf?
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Re: [SHR-U] Impressions and Problems

2009-08-14 Thread Dan Staley
Oh awesome!
This just made SHR a million times more usable.  I'll add this to the SHR
user manual laterit is something that I definitely think needs to be in
there!
Now if only the contacts app had some way to jump to a letter instead of
having to scroll through all my contacts everytime..
There isn't a config file to turn this on as well is there? =)

Thanks,
-Dan Staley

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak 
seba.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 8/14/09, Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Vikas Saurabhvikas.saur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I'm thinking that a good way to compare phone numbers (for example the
  sender of a message and a phone book entry) is to check whether one
  number
  is a suffix of the other number. Are there any (non-obscure) cases
 where
  this would give false positives?
 
  /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf has some configuration for exactly
  similar purpose. I think thats how the opimd-utils get it info
  correctly. Should opimd have a function to map these is what dos1
  would decide :)
 
  --Vikas
 
  I think those configuration options moved to: /etc/phone-utils.conf

 For opimd-utils users: that's not phone suite, it's only set of test
 scripts. It does contact resolving in bad way.
 For libframeworkd-phonegui-efl users (default SHR): as said before,
 you have to edit /etc/phone-utils.conf to match your country. SHR
 Settings module for that is planned and should arrive soon.
 For programmers: you can do contact resolving manually using
 libphone-utils library (or python-phoneutils bindings), both available
 in SHR. opimd soon should handle number normalizing when comparing
 correctly, so all you have to do is doing queries with normalized
 phone number using libphone-utils.

 --
 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
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Re: PISI 0.4 released

2009-08-14 Thread Michael Pilgermann
JaMa,

thx for this offer. I don't really know, what in detail you are talking
about ... i was quite happy, that I managed to assemble ipkg - this is
all done automatically using a Makefile:
https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/Makefile?rev=135root=pisi

But integrating all this in feeds of repositories of course sounds good
to me ... just let me know, what exactly I can do for you - I am sure we
can sort that out 

(till now I have always just copied the files into my ipkgs)

Michael


Martin Jansa wrote:
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com
 mailto:martin.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have no experience with python, but I can try to prepare setup.py for
 setuptools next week, if you have no time or interest in it and then
 send you patch.
 
 
 I had some spare time.. so before going for vacation, here is something
 which works for me, at least seems like working for me :).
 
 Maybe something could be integrated upstream so simplify bbfile for next
 version.
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: PISI 0.4 released

2009-08-14 Thread Michael Pilgermann
Hi,
I got around this problem with manual restart of SHR dates backend
process after every sync. A pre- / post-routine option was added - so in
your configuration file you can configure shell instructions now, which
will be executed by PISI before / after sync (working well for me).

Don't forget to modify your configuration file after upgrading to get it
working:

##
## 1.3)
## Local ICS file (iCalendar) for dates software from pimlico (dates
in some distros)
##
[pimlicodates]
description= Pimlico Dates
module=calendar_ics
path=/home/root/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics
postprocess=killall e-calendar-factory



I noticed, that you can do quite some funny stuff using this option -
e.g. I can sync my Desktop Calendar (Sunbird / Lightning) now using SSH
commands:

##
## 1.5)
## Remote ICS file (on a SSH-Server (scp))
##
## - make sure, you don't need a password for this account (e.g. key
file without password)
## - I notied, you should create your key file on Openmoko - otherwise
will bring an error:
##  dropbearkey -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa
## This example is an ICalendar on your desktop machine, which you have
configured in
## Sunbird / Lightning as 'file:///home/username/test.ics' (on the desktop)
##
[sshIcs]
description=ICalendar on SSH Server
module=calendar_ics
path=/tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics
preprocess=scp -i /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa \
usern...@192.168.0.200:/home/username/test.ics /tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics
postprocess=scp /tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics \
usern...@192.168.0.200:/home/username/test.ics  rm \ /tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics


I have not yet uploaded a new version to opkg.org - find a priliminary
version (I used for testing) attached to this email; a new version will
follow end of this weekend ...

Michael

 What do you think about this: Fow short term solution, I could add a
 flag in the configuration file, where the user can configure whether to
 restart the backend process automatically after sync. That wouldn't be too 
 much
 efforts - and it would do the job (not nice, but it would do the job) ...

 Sounds like an acceptable work around to me.
 I guess that will be in PISI before the next week starts ;)
 

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Re: Litemoko, new window environment

2009-08-14 Thread Christian Rüb
 On Freitag, 14. August 2009 08:57:45 rakshat hooja wrote:
   There isn't much source code to see :-), the launcher is 100 lines,
   litephone and literki are already available (although I'll try to put
   literki on a repo). I had to do some hacks in icewm, I'll release the
   patch (that one I have too :-))
  
   Michal
 
  And put litephone and literki in the SHR and OM2009 repos too.
 
  Rakshat
 
 There is currently some litephone development happening by cmusik here [1], I 
 do not know if/when the git is also placed on sourceforge, maybe the devs can 
 shed some light here. You can get ipk here [2] (I use it on my SHR-U).
 
 I can upload the bitbake recipe I use tonight if anyone is interested.
 
 Cheers,
  Christian
 
 [1] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=litephone;a=summary
 [2] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable

recipe added:

http://git.senfdax.de/?p=oe_recipes;a=tree;f=litephone;h=ea660faeb4887d0efdb9715453014cad4828d98c;hb=HEAD

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Re: [shr-u] wifi timeout with mokonnect

2009-08-14 Thread arne anka
well, i did right now

# fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext  
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

which resulted in

ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS
Trying to associate with XX:XX:.. (SSID='myssid' freq=2422 MHz)
Association request to the driver failed
Associated with XX:XX...
WPA: Key negotiation completed with XX:XX:... [PTK=TKIP GTK=TKIP]
CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to XX:XX:XX:... completed (auth) [id=2  
id_str=]

ok, dhclient eth0 opbtained an ip.
but so fra i got vene without fsoraw the last time. let's see, what  
happens in a second attempt.

killing 'fsoraw ...' with CTRL+C ...

CTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING - signal 2 received
ioctl[SIOCSIWESSID]: Invalid argument
ioctl[SIOCSIWMLME]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported


hmm. ok,

# fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext  
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

and ...

  ioctl[SIOCGIWRANGE]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Input/output error
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Input/output error
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Input/output error
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Input/output error
Failed to initiate AP scan.
ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Input/output error
ioctl[SIOCGIWSCAN]: Input/output error
...

indefinitely.

# killall wpa_suplicant

and the fr is shock frozen.
not really convincing a performance.

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Re: PISI 0.4 released

2009-08-14 Thread Michael Pilgermann
I did change my mind and uploaded a new version (0.4.5) to opkg.org.
Michael


Michael Pilgermann wrote:
 Hi,
 I got around this problem with manual restart of SHR dates backend
 process after every sync. A pre- / post-routine option was added - so in
 your configuration file you can configure shell instructions now, which
 will be executed by PISI before / after sync (working well for me).
 
 Don't forget to modify your configuration file after upgrading to get it
 working:
 
 ##
 ## 1.3)
 ## Local ICS file (iCalendar) for dates software from pimlico (dates
 in some distros)
 ##
 [pimlicodates]
 description= Pimlico Dates
 module=calendar_ics
 path=/home/root/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics
 postprocess=killall e-calendar-factory
 
 
 
 I noticed, that you can do quite some funny stuff using this option -
 e.g. I can sync my Desktop Calendar (Sunbird / Lightning) now using SSH
 commands:
 
 ##
 ## 1.5)
 ## Remote ICS file (on a SSH-Server (scp))
 ##
 ## - make sure, you don't need a password for this account (e.g. key
 file without password)
 ## - I notied, you should create your key file on Openmoko - otherwise
 will bring an error:
 ##  dropbearkey -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa
 ## This example is an ICalendar on your desktop machine, which you have
 configured in
 ## Sunbird / Lightning as 'file:///home/username/test.ics' (on the desktop)
 ##
 [sshIcs]
 description=ICalendar on SSH Server
 module=calendar_ics
 path=/tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics
 preprocess=scp -i /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa \
 usern...@192.168.0.200:/home/username/test.ics /tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics
 postprocess=scp /tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics \
 usern...@192.168.0.200:/home/username/test.ics  rm \ /tmp/pisi-tmpcal.ics
 
 
 I have not yet uploaded a new version to opkg.org - find a priliminary
 version (I used for testing) attached to this email; a new version will
 follow end of this weekend ...
 
 Michael
 
 What do you think about this: Fow short term solution, I could add a
 flag in the configuration file, where the user can configure whether to
 restart the backend process automatically after sync. That wouldn't be too 
 much
 efforts - and it would do the job (not nice, but it would do the job) ...

 Sounds like an acceptable work around to me.
 I guess that will be in PISI before the next week starts ;)

 
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Re: Re: [shr-u] wifi timeout with mokonnect

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Mogensen
arne anka wrote:
 well, i did 
 right now
 
 # fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext 
 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
 
 which resulted in
[snip a lot]
 indefinitely.

I get excatly the same.

Only once have I managed to get a DHCP lease, but the network failed 
just after that.

What has gone wrong with WiFi during the summer? In april, I had an 
almost working phone with almost stable WiFi - at least the first 
connect after boot was never a problem.
Now I got it buzz-fixed, moved to the other end of the country and had 
holiday and when I return WiFi is broken and I have to use slow USB net.

Some one must know what has changed? New kernel?

/Peter


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Re: [shr-u] wifi timeout with mokonnect

2009-08-14 Thread Paul Fertser
Peter Mogensen a...@bigendian.dk writes:
 Some one must know what has changed? New kernel?

Well, i must admit i collected several reports that despite huge gains
from moving to upstream SDIO stack there're some regressions. Several
people reported they can't connect to the networks they were able to
use before no matter what they try.

I really hoped Werner would take care of that but he's too busy with
gta02-core project currently and we lack another expert in Wifi in
general and Atheros's crappy code in particular :(

Life is unfair :-/

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X forwarding doesn't work

2009-08-14 Thread Michael Tansella
Hi,

I want to start midori in the freerunner and forward the GUI tt my Linux Host  
(Kubuntu)

I tried it the following way, but it starts on the freerunner instead of the 
host, any idea?:


simarill...@simarillion-laptop:~$ ssh -l root -X -v 192.168.5.202
OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5ubuntu1, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
debug1: Reading configuration data /home/simarillion/.ssh/config 
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config   
debug1: Applying options for *   
debug1: Connecting to 192.168.5.202 [192.168.5.202] port 22. 
debug1: Connection established.  
debug1: identity file /home/simarillion/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/simarillion/.ssh/id_rsa type 1   
debug1: Checking blacklist file /usr/share/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048
debug1: Checking blacklist file /etc/ssh/blacklist.RSA-2048  
debug1: identity file /home/simarillion/.ssh/id_dsa type 2
debug1: Checking blacklist file /usr/share/ssh/blacklist.DSA-1024
debug1: Checking blacklist file /etc/ssh/blacklist.DSA-1024
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version dropbear_0.51
debug1: no match: dropbear_0.51
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5ubuntu1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server-client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client-server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY
debug1: Host '192.168.5.202' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/simarillion/.ssh/known_hosts:58
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/simarillion/.ssh/identity
debug1: Offering public key: /home/simarillion/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 277
debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA
debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey).
debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
debug1: Entering interactive session.
debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
debug1: Sending environment.
debug1: Sending env LANG = de_DE.UTF-8
r...@om-gta02 ~ $midori

greets
Michael

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Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)

2009-08-14 Thread Stroller

On 14 Aug 2009, at 10:04, Patryk Benderz wrote:

 Dnia 2009-08-11, wto o godzinie 12:16 +0200, Davide Scaini pisze:
 ...i want it fixed too!!!
 is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix?
 You could in the past - read Community Updates:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/June_25%2C_2009
 I do not know if it is still possible to send FR for fix, but you can
 try - let us know if you succeed.

I assume that handheld-linux.com are reputable.

They announce the Buzz Fix resumes in 10 days time:
http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework


 From where I'm standing it feels like the handling of the buzz fix  
is / was a bit of a piss-take. The was no post to the announce list,  
the UK supplier didn't bother to email me about it. Because I happened  
not to be reading the mailing lists at the time, I knew nothing about  
it.

I don't know if the subsidisation of this that Openmoko made is  
actually worth anything: the €3 charged is nothing compared to the  
postage. I kinda really resent Openmoko for that. Am I being  
unreasonable? I guess I should just count myself lucky that I managed  
to find out about this in time, whilst the repair is still available  
at all.

Stroller.


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Re: Intone 0.66 release

2009-08-14 Thread c_c

Hi,
  Well, I do agree with you on this. I'll post links henceforth.
Thanks.

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Re: Fwd: buzzfix in India

2009-08-14 Thread Alok G. Singh
Vikas Saurabh wrote:

 While I don't know about postage options, I think the package can
 still be sent to one of us (users) and we would take all the FRs to
 the guy at the same time.

I have been trying to send my GTA02 to IDA Systems in Jaipur as per
Rakshat's email. It is not as simple as dropping it off at a courier
company. Pafex said that mobile phones cannot be shipped inside India by
private individuals. Blue Dart was a little more helpful. They need
three copies of an invoice from IDA Systems stating that the phone is
being sent for the purpose of repair and attracts no Sales Tax or does
the invoice require a CST on TIN. They need these in the original. They
do require you to sign an undertaking absolving them of liability in
case the phone is lost/damaged in transit but they will insure the phone
for whatever amount you want.

In Bangalore, the person to speak to is Preeti at 2532 1038. She is in
the Blue Dart office on Ulsoor Road. If there are more of us in
Bangalore sending the phone, perhaps we could do it together.

Further bulletins once I get the invoices from IDA and go back to Blue
Dart.

On a related note, the fix for #1024 and the bass boost as well as the
shorting of the erroneous capacitor[1] (if present) would be a welcome
addition to the Buzz fix. It seems a reasonable amount of effort to send
the phone and it would make sense to do as much as possible on this one
trip. Could someone with hardware skills explain the various fixes to
the guy who is doing the fixes ?

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/47537

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Re: Fwd: buzzfix in India

2009-08-14 Thread Alok G. Singh
rakshat hooja wrote:

 Also I can mail the batteries to the repair shop or to one of you. Let me
 know how that should be done.

Batteries need to shipped separately according to Blue Dart. It might be
better to just ship them individually.

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Re: X forwarding doesn't work

2009-08-14 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
this is how I'd do it:

ssh -X r...@192.168.0.202
login
midori 

It's possible that the result is ugly but should work. You didn't tell
what happens when you try to run midori.

r


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