Re: FOSDEM2010

2009-10-28 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 12:58 +0100 schrieb Julien Cassignol: > Hey there, > Bearstech (through me and others) would like to be there to talk about > hackable:1 and our forthcoming initiative about open hardware. Excellent. > Plus, > I'd also like to be there to talk a bit about SHR/FSO, as

Re: [SHR] building packages

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
great! d (i'm not trying this now, for sure next week, i'm moving. I'm definitely interested in build some packages for shr and give a hand... and maybe learn some stuff about etk for simple apps) On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Matthias Huber < matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de> wrote: > Al John

Re: #1024-rework service available

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
Hi Michael, i'm also interested in doing teh rework on my own, but on this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024 and related links there are only few images... so can you please post yours when your work is done? thanks d (if you want/can you can contact me directly) On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:

Re: [SHR] building packages

2009-10-28 Thread Matthias Huber
Al Johnson schrieb: On Wednesday 28 October 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: Hi guys, i would like to build some packages for shr that i feel i miss (like gnuplot or so... and maybe do some stupid interface, but not in the immediate future). Where do i start? I tried to find a source on the open

Re: FOSDEM2010

2009-10-28 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Ok mail to fosdem written and our names added to wiki, I would like to have there a OM-showroom brain storming and a presentation/workshop on how to connect FR to other ultra portable devices what to do once conected :) David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embe

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
ha ha ok, i'll wait. But please, share ;-) ciao d On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM, DJDAS wrote: > Davide Scaini wrote: > > DJDAS i share some thoughts with you ideed... but: this is a > > community, why don't you share your work? > Simply because ATM our work (it's not ONLY mine but we are a te

Re: FOSDEM2010

2009-10-28 Thread Julien Cassignol
Hey there, On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Pieter Colpaert wrote: > Dear list, > > Saturday 6 and Sunday 7 February 2010 there is another FOSDEM. We > (openmoko-community) haven't been to FOSDEM lately (correct me if I'm > wrong) and that got to change. What about having our own devroom and > g

Re: [SHR] building packages

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
Wow... it SEEMS simple ;-) thanks. but, as you said, the build procedure will change... so it's better to wait... how can i get informed *when* this will happen? d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org

Re: New Release of xminimokostatus (Part of Minimoko)

2009-10-28 Thread ajvogel
matzehuber wrote: > > > My .Xsession is: > exec /usr/bin/openbox-session > > but the Xsession in /etc/X11 is the standard from shr, wich tests > .Xsession as replacement file for any windowmanager (ie illume) > > the rest is done in /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart.sh (modified for not > using

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Marcel
Finally came round to want to try this... :) Am Dienstag, den 27.10.2009, 02:21 +0300 schrieb Paul Fertser: > Marcel writes: > > I tried to got to qvga for graphics performance testing about a week > > ago. This is needed (tested on SHR's 2.6.29-rc3): > > echo "qvga-normal" > /sys/bus/spi/device

[hard] Need advices

2009-10-28 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
Hi everyone, I just tried to #1024fix & buzzfix an A6. When testing, the mic seemed to be cut, so I removed the cap, but the mic still won't work (I can't hear anything on the other phone). Does anybody have already seen something like that ? What Could be wrong ? Do you think removing #1024fi

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Davide Scaini wrote: > DJDAS i share some thoughts with you ideed... but: this is a > community, why don't you share your work? Simply because ATM our work (it's not ONLY mine but we are a team of about 10 people) it's not more than a simple prototype, we are hardly working but obviously in our

Re: [SHR] building packages

2009-10-28 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
Am Mittwoch 28 Oktober 2009 12:10:39 schrieb Davide Scaini: > Hi guys, > i would like to build some packages for shr that i feel i miss (like > gnuplot or so... and maybe do some stupid interface, but not in the > immediate future). Where do i start? I tried to find a source on the > openmoko wi

Re: [SHR] building packages

2009-10-28 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 28 October 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: > Hi guys, > i would like to build some packages for shr that i feel i miss (like > gnuplot or so... and maybe do some stupid interface, but not in the > immediate future). Where do i start? I tried to find a source on the > openmoko wiki, but w

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
DJDAS i share some thoughts with you ideed... but: this is a community, why don't you share your work? Sincerely, I'm interested in "what works" as an end user and as you already said. I'm not involved in this competition, and i just want to get out the most from this discussion to have a working b

Re: New Release of xminimokostatus (Part of Minimoko)

2009-10-28 Thread Matthias Huber
ajvogel schrieb: > matzehuber wrote: > >> Nice work, >> thank you. >> I`ve been trying to get openbox to boot on the freerunner (shr-u). How >> does your Xsession look like? >> My .Xsession is: exec /usr/bin/openbox-session but the Xsession in /etc/X11 is the standard from shr, wic

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Cedric BAIL wrote: > So either you have something like QtMoko without fancy stuff, and it > will be faster, or you have some fancy effect, but slower fps. That's > it. You can cry, you can yell, it will not be possible to do something > more than that. Yes, it is frustrating, but the world is like

Re: New Release of xminimokostatus (Part of Minimoko)

2009-10-28 Thread ajvogel
matzehuber wrote: > > > i leaved just a new version of xminimokostatus. > > Improvements: now fully using dbus: > > - it doen't need external programs for getting status. > > - signal strenth and provider is now read from dbus-signals, no active > poll > > ==> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki

[SHR] building packages

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
Hi guys, i would like to build some packages for shr that i feel i miss (like gnuplot or so... and maybe do some stupid interface, but not in the immediate future). Where do i start? I tried to find a source on the openmoko wiki, but with no sure answers... I'm sure you can give me a simple referen

Re: [QtMoko] [Debian] Which MicroSDHC card should I buy to install Debian onto?

2009-10-28 Thread arne anka
> I have tried two cards on FR: > > Kingston C4 8 GB > Kingston SDC4/8GB 07 > > I don't recommend this one. hadn't much kuck with kingston either. i use an 8g sandisk, listed in the wiki. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM, DJDAS wrote: > Cedric BAIL wrote: >> Man, what didn't you understand in: "YOU SHOULD WRITE A THEME THAT >> DON'T USE THAT MUCH FANCY STUFF ?" ? The EFL are fast and optimised, >> but you should adapt the theme to what you ask. So write a theme that >> look like Qt

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread rixed
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:38:22AM +0100, DJDAS ] > Yes I'm rude because my approach is to solve the problems not shutting > up people saying "you have a shi++y hardware so don't complain" and this > alters my patience (...) and I'll look for everything doable to make this > device (and if ev

Re: [QtMoko] [Debian] Which MicroSDHC card should I buy to install Debian onto?

2009-10-28 Thread David Garabana Barro
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 23:09:07 Brolin Empey wrote: > on which to install Debian. I do not want to run out of disk space, so I > probably need at least an 8 GB card. The Openmoko wiki claims “The Neo > FreeRunner supports up to 16GB microSDHC cards.”. [1] Is this true? What > is the fastes

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Cedric BAIL wrote: > Man, what didn't you understand in: "YOU SHOULD WRITE A THEME THAT > DON'T USE THAT MUCH FANCY STUFF ?" ? The EFL are fast and optimised, > but you should adapt the theme to what you ask. So write a theme that > look like QtMoko and I bet you will have at least the same speed (

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM, DJDAS wrote: > Xavier Cremaschi wrote: >> DJDAS a écrit : >>> ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: >>> The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you alw

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:15:46 +0100 Davide Scaini said: > This discussion is _very very_ interesting! > And for sure we'll have progress... > quote: > "> if you have something concrete to offer rather than being rude, insulting > and > > simply rubbishing things you know little about, then contrib

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Davide Scaini
This discussion is _very very_ interesting! And for sure we'll have progress... quote: "> if you have something concrete to offer rather than being rude, insulting and > simply rubbishing things you know little about, then contribute. I will ;) please give me and my staff a couple of months..." O

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > > No. > From the user point of view, a recipe : > - take SHR or Om2009 > - put a simple theme instead of the default one > - notice it's very fast > > Where is the part with the user who cannot use this or that ? > That as Raster correctly said, "default" is something

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
DJDAS a écrit : > Sorry but which part of "from the user's point of view doing complicated > calculations that result in a slower display is useless" is not clear? > I don't care E optimizations and beautiful algorithms if I simply CANNOT > USE THEM or use them at the price of speediness and smo

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > DJDAS a écrit : > >> ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: >> >>> The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some >>> simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you >>> always need to scroll) and be reactive to user fi

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread rixed
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ] > > [scrolling] > > There are other metaphors available that would fit the device's > strengths much better. What about paging? Reading an ebook or looking a webpage or a map is better with scrolling I guess. Apart from that,

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: >>The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some >>simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you >>always need to scroll) > > Why do all of you insist on using scrolling as the

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:27:03 +0200 "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" said: > >The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some > >simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you > >always need to scroll) > > Why do all of you insist on using scrolling

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:09:36 +0100 Petr Vanek said: > >As an important but overlooked side effect, the more capable the > >graphics toolkit is and the more bloated and unfriendly the resulting > >end user interface will be. While we were at replacing the original > >gnome mobile desktop, I would

Re: fatfingershell V0.2

2009-10-28 Thread rixed
-[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:15PM -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita ] > there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). Trying it on Hackable1, I got : No se pudo iniciar el modo grafico No video mode large enough for 640x480 Apparently it rely on SDL being able to open a 640x480 fullscreen w

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
DJDAS a écrit : > ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: >> The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some >> simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you >> always need to scroll) and be reactive to user finger pressures. If E, >> because >> of an

Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
>The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some >simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you >always need to scroll) Why do all of you insist on using scrolling as the only metaphor to present excerpts of large content? Given the physica

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > well.. you're telling the one that wrote the graphics code, that has read the > glamo hw docs, has worked on it long before freerunner was on sale, who has > written graphics code for many platforms, manye cpus of many varying levesl of > speed (from 7mhz 6

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread Petr Vanek
>As an important but overlooked side effect, the more capable the >graphics toolkit is and the more bloated and unfriendly the resulting >end user interface will be. While we were at replacing the original >gnome mobile desktop, I would have liked to start from a minimalist >but inovative toolkit m

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness [ot]

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > with linux i'm not lumping in uclinux, elks, etc. as they do come under > different names :) notice.. i included desktop... and at least i'd hope to > imply that would be the desktop he speaks of... ie how great compiz is and so > much better than e17. :) (

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread DJDAS
ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: > > The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some > simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you > always need to scroll) and be reactive to user finger pressures. If E, because > of an ambitious design, is una

Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

2009-10-28 Thread rixed
-[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:42:21PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ] > but.. if i were smart.. i'd not develop apps for the freerunner. it's a "dead > product". It might be dead, but as there is no other free phone I have no choice but to use this one. I can live without fancy graphics anyway (althoug

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