Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
Nice to hear Openmoko projects site is back online. I have no idea who maintains it but I guess it's someone from Openmoko Inc. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de wrote: Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? - I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. I can think of (but): - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) - google code (well; it's still Google) - some corner on SHR web side?? - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before - feshmeat.net (would only be for the front page I guess) Google Code seems to work well, I don't have experience from others. I would also think Google is reliable enough that it'll not just disappear from the net. And since working on public/open data, it really doesn't matter if you store it somewhere else - Google will find it anyway :) Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it? David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com has been working on it. He took apt-portal code (running at playdeb.net, available at https://edge.launchpad.net/apt-portal) and wrote the required parts to use .opk/.ipk repositories. There are no published results visible yet, I hope he'll show us something soon :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:58:42 -0800 (PST) vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options to set the font size. I was in vi, and if I don't change anything, I always do a :q! to lose anything that might have accidentally changed. On the desktop gconf-editor is a good tool for editing keys. On the freerunner it pulls in too many dependencies and doesn't fit well on the screen. Did you change anything in the position / speed algorithm? It doesn't seem to have as much jitter when stopped as it did before. At one point I added some code to prevent it from updating when the speed hasn't changed to prevent the flickering. But that was already a few releases ago. Keep up the good work. TangoGPS is an awesome program. :) Thanks :) Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
Michael, Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? - I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. I can think of (but): ... When we started Qi Hardware we also looked around and eventually found a software called 'Indefero' (GPL licensed): http://www.indefero.net/ You can host projects there, and also download the whole thing for installation on your own server. http://projects.ceondo.com/p/indefero/downloads So far we are quite happy with it http://projects.qi-hardware.com/ Other than that, I had good experience with github.com and code.google. One idea behind the Openmoko projects server was to keep all Openmoko- related projects 'nearby', although some people thought that concept is a bit strange when the whole Internet is built around URLs. However, it seems the idea of keeping the 'family' together kind of worked, so I think the first priority should be to get the OpenMokoProjects server back on track. The server side software used there is more or less dead, so a more radical approach would be to update to something newer like Indefero. Which would be a big task though and break everybody's URLs... Wolfgang On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 08:47:25AM +0100, Michael Pilgermann wrote: Dear all, the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ... Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? - I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. I can think of (but): - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) - google code (well; it's still Google) - some corner on SHR web side?? - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before - feshmeat.net (would only be for the front page I guess) Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it? Please, I would be thankful for any input ... thanks in advance; Best Michael Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100 Von: Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de An: community@lists.openmoko.org, shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org, shr-de...@lists.shr-project.org, de...@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Openmoko projects page down Dear all, I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always receiving the following error message: OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to contact to getting this resolved? Thanks in advance; best regards Michael PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers? PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the Freerunner / SHR? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ devel mailing list de...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone request
I am not sure what is going on there. This : http://pastebin.com/m14b1ff8d You could run build_package.ksh with set -x at the top to get more information, This way ? al...@alabd:/media/disk1/all/soft/openmoko/ring$ sudo ksh set -x build_package.ksh or you could just run your own variation of create_tones.ksh and manually load the generated file onto the phone. How ? What operating system are you running on? Ubuntu Is ksh installed? Yes I never run from root but I use sudo to set the owner id of some files Sudo the same as root . Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone request
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:11:30 +0330 dehqan65 dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure what is going on there. This : http://pastebin.com/m14b1ff8d Well something is clearly not working. See below. You could run build_package.ksh with set -x at the top to get more information, This way ? al...@alabd:/media/disk1/all/soft/openmoko/ring$ sudo ksh set -x build_package.ksh What operating system are you running on? Ubuntu Okay great. Do you have the siggen package installed? You need that. I never run from root but I use sudo to set the owner id of some files Sudo the same as root . Uh maybe. Try this command: tones -f -w five_tones.wav 500 d6 e6 c6 c5 g5:1000 Does it generate the five_tones.wav file? man tones ...should tell you how to use tones to generate a tone sequence. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.net wrote: The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. http://maemo.org You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling or even the battery charger daemon is closed source. But there's probably some high level API to handle the battery, modem, gps, etc. Isn't it possible to put FSO on top of that in form of a compatibility layer? Just guessing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:00:19 +0100 Fabian Schölzel fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com wrote: ---snip--- You also said, that he could run into trouble because of the things he writes here. Well, that may be. Myself i think, only people, that are not able to deal with that amount of info and openness, would generate trouble out of this writings. I don't really see, where one can be too open and honest about himself. Is that really possible? We are all human beings, why would we want to hide parts of our existence? Why would we want to let taboos about what to say and what not to say stay? If someone don't want to read some specific stuff, then he should go on and do not read it. If someone (in 10 years for example) will make decisions or estimations on the basis of Brolins writings here and now - well, as i said, that may happen. Often people say imagine they google you and don't give you a job. I would say: Gladly, Brolin don't have to work and talk with people, who are just lost in the age of information. I approach this in a slightly differrent manner. I believe that one should not be completely open to strangers and should leave some knowledge about him/her only to people he/she cares about. Being able to know someone more than others do is a gift you could give your colleagues (they know more then a stranger), your friends (you know some of your thoughts), your relatives (they know your daily life) and so on. I personally find it nice if someone shows that I'm important to her/him by sharing more of that knowledge with me. That are also a few other reasons to not talk about oneself that I won't share with Google's caches as Google is not someone I know ;) Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hi rhn, i understand your point of view. Everybody should do as he wish. But i think if somebody wants to give that gift to everybody, he should be allowed to do so, while others are free to say no thanks, i don't want to know. For my self, i think it is some kind of different to your way, but in the end, it comes out the same. The people that know me most, are the people i like most. That is so, because i spend more time with people i like, therefore i talk more with them than others. That is why they know more (or/and deeper). I would tell others the same stories and infos about me, in the same deepness - if they are interested. The topic and the deepness will change with the people and they're interests, of course. But then again, teh interwebs is different. One can be as verbose as he likes, and others can read what they like. Cheers, Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
Michael Pilgermann wrote: the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. That would be Joachim. I'll add my thanks too ! Unfortunately, there still appear to be problems with accessing certain directories, and nobody seems to have an idea (so far) how to solve these. But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? As far as I know, Armin Ranjbar is in charge of the administration of the projects (approval, etc.), but there doesn't seem to be anyone who's clearly in charge of running the infrastructure. (I might be wrong, though. Corrections welcome.) Now, GForge doesn't seem to be a particularly friendly platform to maintain. At least I gather this from the amount of invective uttered by those trying to fix it :-) Considering alternatives, we could also look at the things we already have in the Openmoko universe. For example, we have a mailing list processor, a bug tracker, an SVN, a git, and even a web-to-SVN gateway (with limitations). I wonder if each project really needs to have its own copy of each of these, or if we could share and pool some resources. These central services used to be for official Openmoko Inc. projects, but now that it's all in the hands of the community anyway, there's little need to maintain this distinction. The rate of new project registrations is not particularly high. Last year: jan 17, feb 8, mar 6, apr 9, may 5, jun 5, jul 5, aug 1, sep 1, oct 2, nov 1, dec 2. So it may not be worth the effort to automate these tasks. (I don't know the rate of membership changes, though.) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
Dear all, thanks a lot for all the input. Just 3 small comments: - for Google - I think it's more a religious discussion - but it is not only about finding stuff (or got found) more about supporting it actively. And there have been rumours about copyright issues when posting something with Google. (So - to be honest - I wouldn't dare) - opkg.org has been even deader in my eyes than gforge; although I just read the reanimation notice on its web site. Well - it has to prove activity first; and in the end it cannot replace a gforge page with all the described functionalities ... - for the gforge page itself: I am thankful for all the explainations about responsilities regarding the site; however, nobody has yet came up to say: it is me to deal with these problems. So, (well I will wait a bit longer) - but in a long term it should be sensible to migrate ... An interesting combination I have explored so far should be freshmeat and github. But it all needs some more investigation ... ;) Any input from other application developers? How do you host your development projects? (I think, most active in this list are kernel - or at least core / distribution - developers) ... Best Michael Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:40:43 +0100 Von: Joachim Ott jo.shrde...@googlemail.com An: Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de CC: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org, de...@lists.openmoko.org, shr-de...@lists.shr-project.org, shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Betreff: Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] 2010/1/7 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de: Dear all, the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ... Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? - I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. I can think of (but): - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) - google code (well; it's still Google) - some corner on SHR web side?? - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before - feshmeat.net (would only be for the front page I guess) Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it? Try http://www.opkg.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 08:46:51AM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Michael Pilgermann wrote: the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. That would be Joachim. I'll add my thanks too ! Unfortunately, there still appear to be problems with accessing certain directories, and nobody seems to have an idea (so far) how to solve these. But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? As far as I know, Armin Ranjbar is in charge of the administration of the projects (approval, etc.), but there doesn't seem to be anyone who's clearly in charge of running the infrastructure. (I might be wrong, though. Corrections welcome.) Hi, who could be contacted wrt openmoko OE builder still spamming OE tinderbox, still building daily, but with lots of errors nobody care about now I guess. http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/openmoko/ http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/ http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/ is still updated daily, but I fear that nobody is using daily anymore and I haven't seen any patch to OE repo in last few months.. Thanks Cheers -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid) http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN See Nexus. Already rooted the US version (Droid): http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236t=567 See Nexus, minus rooting. - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera) unknown though. - Palm Pre http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ Very likely, if it wasn't for the completely obfuscated modem interface which we're still working on. - Apple iphone http://www.apple.com/iphone/ Unrealistic. There won't be a Linux-port soon. Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices? Not really, FSO has a page on the wiki, but since we're not in the kernel business, but rather working on middleware, we rely on the various reverse-engineering communities to do the grunt work. Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com [...] http://maemo.org You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling or even the battery charger daemon is closed source. But there's probably some high level API to handle the battery, modem, gps, etc. Isn't it possible to put FSO on top of that in form of a compatibility layer? Just guessing. On the maemo developers list there is a discussion about using ofono on the N900 that should work out of the box, so the phone system is mostly open (excluding the gui part). Someone tested it using pnatd too, a daemon that provides an at compatibility layer, it may be interesting to test it with FSO. I want to remember that on N900 root access is trivial, and with few clicks you are able to install openssh server and login with root account without problems, IMHO the n900 is the less closed device in the propretary market. It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Regards Niko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
2010/1/7 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Excellent idea. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 02:00:22PM +0100, Radek Polak wrote: Ole Kliemann wrote: with /etc/fb.modes as follows mode 240x320 geometry 240 320 240 320 16 timings 10 8 88 2 2 8 2 endmode Hi, i am using this setup together with: echo qvga-normal /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state mode qvga geometry 480 640 480 1280 16 timings 10 8 16 2 16 8 2 rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/0 endmode Works for me quite good. I have this in my docs[1] [1] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt Thanks for the answer! At what point in the process do you start X? And how and when do you tell X which resolution to use? pgpgTIwzkOTd7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Excellent idea. +1 Wonderful. How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with contract or what... what service could we use? Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough people... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] gwaterpas
Works on my SHR-U. I will put a copy on sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish/openmoko. jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anyone of you having a working gwaterpas package? I'm trying to install it on latest shr-u but i get r...@om-gta02 ~/packs $ opkg install gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00cd0aa8 *** i poster on opkg a while ago that gwaterpas will not install on 20091205, seems no one is working on it at the moment, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr] gwaterpas
Thanks, i'm really looking forward to it! d On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Iain B. Findleton ifindle...@videotron.cawrote: Works on my SHR-U. I will put a copy on sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish/openmoko. jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anyone of you having a working gwaterpas package? I'm trying to install it on latest shr-u but i get r...@om-gta02 ~/packs $ opkg install gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00cd0aa8 *** i poster on opkg a while ago that gwaterpas will not install on 20091205, seems no one is working on it at the moment, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
Hi, On Thu, 07.01.2010 at 09:59:09 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: I can think of (but): - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) - google code (well; it's still Google) - some corner on SHR web side?? - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before - Savannah - bitbucket.org - Alioth - Gna - Launchpad - feshmeat.net (would only be for the front page I guess) Freshmeat is only an aggregator/a project database. You can list a project there, but need to point elsewhere for the real content, afaik (I have listed a few projects there, none of them my own). The projects themselves are mostly, if not all, hosted elsewhere. Google Code seems to work well, I don't have experience from others. I Imho, the user interface of Google is not very appealing, as is their performance and limitation in what kind of SCM they support. I've not yet operated a project there. Alioth supports the full range of SCMs, but has the awkward GForge interface (a fork from an earlier version of SourceForge's code when it was released under the GPL). github and bitbucket and Launchpad appear to support only git, mercurial or bazaar, respectively, but I'd welcome corrections. would also think Google is reliable enough that it'll not just disappear from the net. And since working on public/open data, it really doesn't matter if you store it somewhere else - Google will find it anyway :) I'd opt for something fail-safe, if possible. That may also mean to not put all one's eggs in one basket. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko to computer calls
you could use a sip client like linphone or asterisk (see openmoko wiki for details) and put up your own sipserver or use existing free services like ekiga. another way would be setting up a asteriskserver (not on the neo) with an skypegateway. see this old thread http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td220035 regards On 1/7/10, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: i've previously been using skype on my desktop to call other people via their computers. i'd like to investigate other options for calling - asking the other user to install different software is not necessarily a problem i'm not sure where to start; what software is available (i'm using shr-u) to do this? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Wow, that looks nice. Then there is hope, that (except Freerunner) there will be another phone looking up for the award of the most free phone. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLRkqdlYiDScJJ+7QRAnpfAKCkQ5LII0XH701McwfksP0VHPAZMgCg51PR efUm9XG+tjTd1t91Fn1ox78= =0Uoh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO] the Display resource
Hi, Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the 'Display' resource, and I'm totally confused. If I make this call: org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Display, and it returns 'true', does it mean that the phone's display is supposed be on? If I put this into /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: while: PowerStatus() filters: Not(HasAttr(status, discharging)) actions: -OccupyResource(Display) -OccupyResource(CPU) Does it mean that if the phone is plugged in the display will be always on, and the phone will not suspend ? What's the right way to tell frameworkd that I've modified rules.yaml? pkill -HUP frameworkd or /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart? Thanks, Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
Dne Čt 7. ledna 2010 20:34:04 Ole Kliemann napsal(a): Thanks for the answer! At what point in the process do you start X? And how and when do you tell X which resolution to use? QtMoko runs on framebuffer, so we dont start X. There is X compatibility layer, but IIRC nobody tried to run X in qvga there. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
On Thursday 07 January 2010 21:57:01 Bastian Muck wrote: Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Wow, that looks nice. Then there is hope, that (except Freerunner) there will be another phone looking up for the award of the most free phone. FWIW, you don't need to void your warranty to get root or flash the device with the N900... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] the Display resource
2010/1/7 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm Hi, Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the 'Display' resource, and I'm totally confused. If I make this call: org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Display, and it returns 'true', does it mean that the phone's display is supposed be on? Ok, I found out that the answer to this question is yes. However, here's a case where it doesn't work (I'm using SHR-testing from 16.12.09) // At this point the display is off, the policy is 'auto' r...@om-gta02 ~ $ dbus-send --type=method_call --system --print-reply --dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState string:'Display' method return sender=:1.6 - dest=:1.82 reply_serial=2 boolean false r...@om-gta02 ~ $ dbus-send --type=method_call --system --print-reply --dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy string:'Display' string:'enabled' method return sender=:1.6 - dest=:1.84 reply_serial=2 r...@om-gta02 ~ $ dbus-send --type=method_call --system --print-reply --dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState string:'Display' method return sender=:1.6 - dest=:1.85 reply_serial=2 boolean true // The display continues to be off, even after a long time I can't find a reliable way to turn the display on from the console. Any ideas? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] the Display resource
2010/1/7 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm // The display continues to be off, even after a long time However, when I tap the screen, the display turns on and never goes off again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardwarefixing at 26c3?
* Matthias Eller matth...@eller-net.de [27.12.2009 17:19]: Am Sonntag 27 Dezember 2009 schrieb Konstantin: Great, I'm looking forward to it! :) I assume you are there the whole congress? I will not be able to be there before the third day (December 29), is it possible to get a fix then, or is that too late? schould be fine. We will leave 30th late in the evening with my screwdriver :/ MfG Ello ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet xmpp: pla...@draugr.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] reading accelerometers to a text file
* Iain B. Findleton ifindle...@videotron.ca [01.01.2010 01:23]: Vikas Saurabh wrote: so im interested to know if there is a way to dump accelerometer information and gps information to text files. so that, hopefully, some day in the future i could see read them into a future application? or... if there are any developers just kinda hanging out drop me an email! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval has some sample scripts (in different scripting languages) to dump data. If you want to see a somewhat evolved script to process accelerometer data, try gravity.tcl from: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish That script implements a few subtle aspects of the accelerometers, which are quite noisy in their output values. --Vikas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community there will be no direct dbus api for it. it fires up to 100 signals/s which requires a lot of CPU time, but there's a orientation API already and I started a plugin for gesture recognition. But i think that doesn't fit into you needs, so just request the resource and read from the inputs. Regards, Frederik -- IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet xmpp: pla...@draugr.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u 20091205] forcing timeoko to work
* jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com [01.01.2010 02:08]: ahoy again list i often used timeoko in previous versions of shr-u. but in 20091205 when running timeoko i get: $ timeoko timeoko: error while loading shared libraries: libevas-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory the developer is MIA and im in need of a timer again. is there any way to force this application to load and be used? [ps, eieruhr still works but does not initiate an alarm.] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://li sts.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community try to link the new version of the libs to their old names. that's a evil hack but might work. Another idea is that you either compile it with OE or ask the SHR devels to add it to the feed. Regards, Frederik -- IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet xmpp: pla...@draugr.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
neovento 5.6
was wondering. since neovento 5.6 is based on debian will debian apps work or packages from opkg. googled it but there isnt muck info on apps for neovento 5.6? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong. The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far beyond anything acceptable that I a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council. The Ubuntu Community Council consists of experienced and well respected members of the open source community and the council was very concerned about your behaviour, Risto Kurppa. The reply was written by a certain well known 'Mark Shuttleworth' from which I guess I can cite the following quote: | Thanks for raising this with us. The language he has used is very | unfortunate, it does come across as I will embarrass you unless you | respond the way I want you to, and that's not something we could | support in an Ubuntu member. I have nothing to add to that. The fact that you have registered #tangogps on freenode against the policy that only people affiliated with the project shall register a channel and after your inadequate behaviour in the past is thus pure provocation. Open source / free software is a meritocracy - the more you do for a project the more you can influence it. Actually writing friendly emails gains everyone quickly influence. Writing abusive emails like you did to me a year ago, Risto Kurppa, certainly does not gain you influence. I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of the world. Just have a look how many projects are on sourceforge that are 0.0.1 alpha and never took off. I'd say less than 5% of the projects come to life and stay alive for more than 2 years. It needs dedication, energy and cojones to get a project off the ground. And a good deal of the ernergy comes from people using it, from people sending feedback, from people spreading the word because they like it. Thanks to all those that have one way or other contributed to tangoGPS - your energy was and is well appreciated and put to good use :) Marcus Bauer Developer of tangoGPS - the fast and user friendly map viewer http://www.tangogps.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: neovento 5.6
hi, sure debian apps work, you can install them just like with a debian system, since neovento is debian as you already found out. opkg packages mostly also, though you have to extract them yourself. It could get messy with dependencies also. Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:28:18 + Von: blackfalc...@sapo.pt An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: neovento 5.6 was wondering. since neovento 5.6 is based on debian will debian apps work or packages from opkg. googled it but there isnt muck info on apps for neovento 5.6? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Preisknaller: GMX DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down]
Michael Pilgermann wrote: - for the gforge page itself: I am thankful for all the explainations about responsilities regarding the site; however, nobody has yet came up to say: it is me to deal with these problems. The implied meaning of these explanations was of course that for any prospective volunteer who's good at taming GForge but has kept quiet so far because everything seemed to be so well under control, now would be an excellent moment to speak up :) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of the world. I honestly believe that if it wasn't for TangoGPS, and therefore yourself Marcus, the initial uptake of the Openmoko devices would have been much slower. This community owes a great deal to your hard work. OpenStreetMap has probably benefited too as well. TangoGPS demonstrated that the Neo1973 and FreeRunner were (are) viable platforms and that there was (is) value to be gained from a phone running Open Source software. By demonstrated I mean that you could give the phone to someone, have them walk around outside, and they'd come back excited about what could be done. I remember getting an engineering sample of the FreeRunner and having many email conversations with Markus about getting TangoGPS to run on it. It wasn't exactly hard, but I was known to make a mistake or two along the way; at least in the end TangoGPS was about the first application I ran on the FreeRunner and I was, I think, the first person to ever do it. Thankfully Openmoko inc saw the value and sent Marcus a phone too. Thanks for all your contributions Marcus, we all owe you a lot, even if some people fail to realise that. Cheers, Joseph 2010/1/7 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong. The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far beyond anything acceptable that I a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council. The Ubuntu Community Council consists of experienced and well respected members of the open source community and the council was very concerned about your behaviour, Risto Kurppa. The reply was written by a certain well known 'Mark Shuttleworth' from which I guess I can cite the following quote: | Thanks for raising this with us. The language he has used is very | unfortunate, it does come across as I will embarrass you unless you | respond the way I want you to, and that's not something we could | support in an Ubuntu member. I have nothing to add to that. The fact that you have registered #tangogps on freenode against the policy that only people affiliated with the project shall register a channel and after your inadequate behaviour in the past is thus pure provocation. Open source / free software is a meritocracy - the more you do for a project the more you can influence it. Actually writing friendly emails gains everyone quickly influence. Writing abusive emails like you did to me a year ago, Risto Kurppa, certainly does not gain you influence. I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of the world. Just have a look how many projects are on sourceforge that are 0.0.1 alpha and never took off. I'd say less than 5% of the projects come to life and stay alive for more than 2 years. It needs dedication, energy and cojones to get a project off the ground. And a good deal of the ernergy comes from people using it, from people sending feedback, from people spreading the word because they like it. Thanks to all those that have one way or other contributed to tangoGPS - your energy was and is well appreciated and put to good use :) Marcus Bauer Developer of tangoGPS - the fast and user friendly map viewer http://www.tangogps.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Petr Vanek: It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to FSO/OE/SHR staff. Excellent idea. +1 Wonderful. How do we get this going? Seems like 600€ in Germany, dunno if with contract or what... what service could we use? Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough people... Absolutely. I think I could get it here even for around 500. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] the Display resource
Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 21:57 +0100 schrieb Michal Brzozowski: Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the 'Display' resource, and I'm totally confused. I can understand that. The semantics of the Display (and CPU) resource is somewhat different from the semantics of the other peripherals. The display resource is _not_ controlling the display. What it does instead is modifying the way the Idle Notifier works. When you claim the display resource, then the Idle Notifier IDLE_DIM (and subsequent states, such as LOCK and SUSPEND) will no longer be sent, hence the display will stay on and the device will not go into suspend. If I put this into /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: while: PowerStatus() filters: Not(HasAttr(status, discharging)) actions: -OccupyResource(Display) -OccupyResource(CPU) Does it mean that if the phone is plugged in the display will be always on, and the phone will not suspend ? Yes, that's the idea. What's the right way to tell frameworkd that I've modified rules.yaml? pkill -HUP frameworkd or /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart? I'm afraid the current frameworkd needs a restart after modifying the rules. I promise to fix this in the FSO2. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UBI success story
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Thanks for sharing. How's speed and reliability for ubifs? I wonder whether it's worth the hassle to switch, given that SD access should be even faster and much more convenient. I'm using UBIFS in my hybrid OM2008 (still :P) based distro for some months; In my case I had to backport the kernel patches too, then I used an SD installation of SHR to flash the generated ubi image in my nand via ubiformat (which is a LOT faster than using dfu-util; with it flashing an ubi image takes just few minutes). I've still some issues on creating a correct ubi image by the way; the hardware parameters returned by ubinfo (in a distro running a kernel = 2.6.30) doesn't seem to be correct, and I've to force the page size anyway. Coming back on the Mickey's question, however, I've to say that I've noticed a nice speed improvement on booting and on running many applications. PS: It works well using uBoot too with adding these cmdline parameters: rootfstype=ubifs ubi.mtd=6,2048 root=ubi0:rootfs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New project openmokontrol
Sorry to reply to my own post, but I have now resolved this issue and I just wanted to clear up that it had nothing to do with NIDED or uinput module on the host. Both seem to be running happily now, although I'm yet to install a wifi manager on my FR to get wifi working and then NIDE client running. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Denis Johnson denis.john...@gmail.com wrote: Now I am really straying OT, but now that I have followed the make and make install steps for nided and modprobe for uinput, I seem to have hosed my mythtv frontend which boots through to X but then sits there waiting and never brings up the main myth menu and no longer responds to my usb attached mouse or keyboard. Anyway won't bore this group and I'll go an debug what's up or take it to mythtv group. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Some questions about Navit
In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful hello; 1 - Tangogps has an option that let us to use google sat maps , Can google sat maps be used with Navit ? 2- To set up route , in thishttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Enter_Townstep after selecting country (Iran) , town should be selected , but there is not town name in list , humble wrote town name manualy now, how to save it ? of course humble started from thishttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Select_Countrystep to setup route . are previous steps required? 3 - To use speech http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Speech option on Navit ,this speech-dispatcher http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd is required but it's link http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd is down . Regarsds dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera) unknown though. What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end model to nokia. There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810 No other phones appeared using the same software on it. So I doubt if it will or want to become a widespread platform, or always stays as specialty. Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
