Am 06.10.2013 um 08:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
>
>> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>>
>>> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
>>> "open hardware" - and never were intended
Hi Bob,
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
>> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
>> "open hardware" - and never were intended to be.
>
> That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
>
> "Open Har
Hi,
GTAx is allready more extensible than normal smartphones because of usb
host mode. And any different fast data connector I think about might
allow an attacker to get access to your system, like the hacks with
firewire.
I also think it would be nice to have modular phone, but this is a huge
goal
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 21:51 +0200, Martin Jansa wrote:
> > Nikolaus denies access to the source files for his hardware.
> No, he does not.
I disagree.
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On Sat 05 October 2013 21:03:44 Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why.
>
> For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same
> reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they
> don't want you to have root acces
Am 05.10.2013 um 21:05 schrieb Bob Ham:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 20:10 +0200, Martin Jansa wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
>
>>> I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to
>>> be aware that there is a difference between what you descr
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 07:05:10PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
> > Your accusations sounds like if Nikolaus is using OHANDA clearly defined
> > label without fulfilling requirements defined by OHANDA.
>
> Well, I'm not sure how you get that impression. It's not like it's a
> matter of adherence to a co
On 05/10/13 18:37, Bob Ham wrote:
> 'Access to the *complete* design is precondition to this'
> http://www.ohanda.org/ (My emphasis)
Long time has passed since I post to this list.
Dearest all,
"open" software is something quite easy do define - it's written in common
languages, so that it's
> But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why.
For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same
reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they
don't want you to have root access on your phone.
Stefan
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 20:10 +0200, Martin Jansa wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
> > I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to
> > be aware that there is a difference between what you describe as "open
> > hardware" and what others desc
Am 05.10.2013 um 20:10 schrieb Martin Jansa:
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
>> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>>> Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
>>>
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>>
> There are numerous threads on Reddit that explain very well why this is not
> feasible [1,2,many]
This is bogus. It is feasible. Just not quite in the way those people
ask for it. E.g. you wouldn't have just a CPU module, and instead you'd
have a module that combines the CPU with many other t
Am 05.10.2013 um 19:37 schrieb Bob Ham:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>>>
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
>>
on a sidenote: Was KDE no open source software when Qt wasn't FOSS (for those
who still remember that time)?
In layout project files they might even be (C) non-free libraries for e.g.
component footprints, which would *forbid* disclosing them to the general
public. Is the hardware less open the
On Sat 05 October 2013 19:37:59 Bob Ham wrote:
> > Hm, I wonder what you want to prove?
>
> I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to
> be aware that there is a difference between what you describe as "open
> hardware" and what others describe as "open hardware" and ye
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
> >
> > > On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > >
> > >> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ub
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
>
> > On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> >
> >> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
> >> "open hardware" - and never were intended t
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
>
> Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham:
>
>> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>>
>>> I can agree that the usage of "free
>>> hardware" term may be a bit confusing.
>>
>> Describing the GTA04 as "Open
Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>
>> I can agree that the usage of "free
>> hardware" term may be a bit confusing.
>
> Describing the GTA04 as "Open Hardware" on openphoenux.org is, I
> believe, not just confusing but di
On 10/05/2013 02:14 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
I can agree that the usage of "free
hardware" term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as "Open Hardware" on openphoenux.org is, I
believe, not just confusing but dishonest.
When
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:19 schrieb joerg Reisenweber:
> In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for
> electronic
> circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are
> asking
> for:
> http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circu
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:04:24 +0200, Pascal Gosselin
wrote:
[...]
If technically feasible, this project I believe stands the best chance
of obtaining funding as the concept has wide appeal.
Interesting long-term vision: maybe.
Short-term replacement for GTA04: no.
I posted this on the Open
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:14 schrieb Pascal Gosselin:
> On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin
>> wrote:
>>> If technically feasible
>> That's the problem.
>>
> What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins for the
>
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:06 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote:
>> If technically feasible
>
> That's the problem.
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Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>
>> I can agree that the usage of "free
>> hardware" term may be a bit confusing.
>
> Describing the GTA04 as "Open Hardware" on openphoenux.org is, I
> believe, not just confusing but di
In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic
circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking
for:
http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit-
dominoes/
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Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
>> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
>> "open hardware" - and never were intended to be.
>
> That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
>
> "Open Hardware De
On 10/05/2013 04:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote:
While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average
smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the
problem, lack of a large user base.
HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open
architectu
On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote:
If technically feasible
That's the problem.
What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins for the
modules, forcing everything to be based on serial interfaces.
It's
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote:
> If technically feasible
That's the problem.
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While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average
smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the
problem, lack of a large user base.
HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open
architecture MODULAR smartphone that could be customized.
On Sat 05 October 2013 11:09:02 Parchet Michaël wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ?
>
> Thanks for your answer.
>
> Best regards
>
> mparchet
Now THIS is a good question!
And the answer is: of course NO planned osolescence, we build th
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> I can agree that the usage of "free
> hardware" term may be a bit confusing.
Describing the GTA04 as "Open Hardware" on openphoenux.org is, I
believe, not just confusing but dishonest.
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On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>
>> You're nitpicking about different meanings of "open" and "free".
>
> This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was
> back in 2010, I doubt I would ever h
On 10/05/2013 01:34 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
"open hardware" - and never were intended to be.
That isn't what
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> You're nitpicking about different meanings of "open" and "free".
This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was
back in 2010, I doubt I would ever have bought a GTA04. There seems to
be (1) the meaning th
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
>> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
>> "open hardware" - and never were intended to be.
>
> That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
>
> "Open Hardwa
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
> "open hardware" - and never were intended to be.
That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
"Open Hardware Devices.
Letux 2804 / GTA04 Smartphone"
http://www.op
Hello,
Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ?
Thanks for your answer.
Best regards
mparchet
> Le 5 oct. 2013 à 09:11, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" a
> écrit :
>
>
>> Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr. H. Ni
Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise:
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
>> You are mixing Free dom with Free Beer.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
>
>> But: some people are able to jump out of the window. So do you do as well?
>
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