[Fwd: Re: Mokomake mkae setup fails]

[Michael Welter]

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Subject: Re: Mokomake mkae setup fails
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:24:59 +0930
From: Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ewan Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: community@lists.openmoko.org
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Ewan Marshall wrote:

Make setup for mokomakefile is giving this error:
mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, 
disconnecting


This I can do nothing about.  Either OpenMoko Inc. needs to find a
monotone server that can handle the load, or you just need to keep
retrying until it gets through.

There are other mirror OpenEmbedded monotone servers, but none that are
marked as official (i.e. either have an openembedded.org or openmoko.org
domain), so I will leave it up to the owners of those domains to bless
mirrors by adding them to one of those domains.

[Some might say use ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl instead, but I don't think
OpenMoko should depend on a server which is scheduled for disconnection
without notice, and that is owned by a University that threatens you if
you add a CNAME in another domain to one of their servers.]


mtn: error: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads


The latest version of MokoMakefile will select one head and use that.

"make update-makefile" to get it.

-- Rod

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Re: Audio I/O questions

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Wednesday 28 March 2007 00:52:20 Robert Michel wrote:
> Ahh.. I can hear it with the Neo1973 headset as well, wenn I pull out
> the headset for 0,7mm - mybe my 2,5 mm 4 pin jack is not accurat enough.

Not strictly what you asked, but working adapter jacks for Moto V360 (which as 
I understand would work) can be had on Ebay for 20cents plus shipping...


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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Gilles Casse]

Le mercredi 28 mars 2007 à 10:35 +1200, Robin Paulson a écrit :
> as coincidence would have it BBC Radio 4 had a piece today about
> mobile phones for the blind, and the consesus was that a talking phone
> would drive a partially sighted user mad within a few minutes.

> On 3/28/07, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As a note, a talking mobile, offering eyes-free applications can
> > probably interest visually impaired or sighted persons.
> 

The user interface might match the user profile, this is ok.
 
Besides this, a wearable device, facilitating access to information,
could be used during distinct activities: when the user is driving,
walking, gardening,... Speech can enrich the user experience, or be the
best media according to the circumstance.

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Re: community Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

[Joseph Ryan Victoria]

Hi Homyx, Wolfgang!

Do you have any project in mind with regards to using Neo?  I'm also taking my 
MS degree here in the Philippines and I'm focusing on mobile computing/telecoms 
too.  Maybe you can share your thoughts.

Thanks!
- Ryan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of homyx
Sent: 24 March 2007 19:44
To: Wolfgang Silbermayr
Cc: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Master Studies in "Embedded systems" starts in
Pforzheim/Germany

Wolfgang Silbermayr schrieb:
> I am just finishing the Bacchelor grade in HSSE (Hardware/Software
> Systems Engineering) in Hagenberg in Austria. Here at the university we
> have the master following to HSSE called Embedded Systems Design. In
> addition we also have a branch of study called Mobile Computing. I think
> it would be great if we could make OpenMoko popular there... I just
> don't know how to do this other than ordering my Neo and showing it to
> other people and hoping that the word of mouth will spread the
> information. This is just what I will do.
>
> Greetings, Wolfgang.
>   
If you're still at the university you should ask a professor for setting 
up a "students project". I'm applied at the University of Applied 
Science in Ingolstadt (Germany) and I'm trying to allure a professor.  
The  budget of a professor for  his/her labor should be enough to buy 
2-3 Neos for debugging reasons :)

/homyx



 

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GSM Sidetone?

[Mike Hodson]

Hi there, I was just browsing the wiki and saw a bug with the current
GTA01Bv3 regarding the over-loudness of the GSM module's sidetone
generation.

I for one am curious if there will be ability to turn this completely
and utterly off, as on every phone i've owned that has one (numerous
nokia phones for example), it causes me to shove my finger over the
mouthpiece whenever im in a loud room, as I cannot distinguish what
the other end is saying, and this causes them to ask if I'm still
there.  Its quite bothersome.

Mike

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Re: Mokomake mkae setup fails

[Rod Whitby]

Ewan Marshall wrote:
> Make setup for mokomakefile is giving this error:
> mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, 
> disconnecting

This I can do nothing about.  Either OpenMoko Inc. needs to find a
monotone server that can handle the load, or you just need to keep
retrying until it gets through.

There are other mirror OpenEmbedded monotone servers, but none that are
marked as official (i.e. either have an openembedded.org or openmoko.org
domain), so I will leave it up to the owners of those domains to bless
mirrors by adding them to one of those domains.

[Some might say use ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl instead, but I don't think
OpenMoko should depend on a server which is scheduled for disconnection
without notice, and that is owned by a University that threatens you if
you add a CNAME in another domain to one of their servers.]

> mtn: error: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads

The latest version of MokoMakefile will select one head and use that.

"make update-makefile" to get it.

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Audio I/O questions

[Robert Michel]

Salve!

I'm very happy that the Neo1973 has 
- stero headphone out
- mono mic in (for headset)
this give us much power for having
much fun with the neo. :


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Analog_wired_Headset
 Analog wired Headset
 There's a four-ring 2.5mm stereo jack which provides connectivity to
 old-fashioned wired headsets.
 The headsets used by Motorola smartphones (A780,A1200, ...) and the
 V-360 have a compatible configuration. 

Na this audio I/O is not only good for a headset,
playing the music from a Neo1973 on the next party
and more would be fun - so an adapter would be usefull
- but how?

I went to the electronic component shop just
around my corner and bought a 2,5 mm 4 pin jack
(Klinkenstecker) and 3 chinch jacks.
testing the headset with a (very cheap) mulitmeter:
1-2 and 1-3 has 33-35 Ohm
1-4 1170 Ohm
shows that I guessed right that the jack is used with:

-+
 |=#=#=#=>
-+1 2 3 4

1 GND
2 l audio out (tested this with alsamixer and my adapter)
3 r audio out
4 mono audio in/ mic with bias

(is this correct?)


So 33-35 Ohm is quite low - my headphone has 600 Ohm
and the audio in of my hifi amp 60kOhm. 

  Sorry, I'm no electrical expert but I'm very interested in how 
  we can use the power of Neo1973's audio I/O - so excuse me when this
  mail raise more questions then answers...

AFIK does the resistant number of the connected device matter and
so the Neo1973 output should have different profiles to switch from
- neo1973 headset to
- headphone and line out.
Would does need the support of the hardware or could we change the
driver settings to get a good line output?


I thought my adaper would be fine, *but*...

1 and 2  gaves a very low output of the right channel- even when headphone 
and pcm are on 100% 
1 and 3 gaves a pulsating noise (about every 0,5s) but with the neo1973
headset it sounds fine.
   Hmm, does somebody have an idea? 
Ahh.. I can hear it with the Neo1973 headset as well, wenn I pull out
the headset for 0,7mm - mybe my 2,5 mm 4 pin jack is not accurat enough.

Does anybody else start to play to use the neo1973 audio for more
then the official equipement?

My plan was to have a good adapter to linie in of my usb audio device
egosys U2A and do some recorings of the neo1973's audio I/O (and to 
share this recordings) and to solder an adaper to normal headphones.

Greetings,
rob


PS: My V3 has also some noice on the left channel in depandances
of the screen - alsamixer on the screen with much black gives
other noise than the shell..
ogg123 playback is bucking (ruckelt)





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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Robin Paulson]

as coincidence would have it BBC Radio 4 had a piece today about
mobile phones for the blind, and the consesus was that a talking phone
would drive a partially sighted user mad within a few minutes.

to listen to it all (free):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/radio4/intouch.ram

should be available for 7 days


On 3/28/07, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,

I will be also glad to focus on such a project.

As a note, a talking mobile, offering eyes-free applications can
probably interest visually impaired or sighted persons.


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Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Gilles Casse]

Hello,

I will be also glad to focus on such a project. 

As a note, a talking mobile, offering eyes-free applications can
probably interest visually impaired or sighted persons. 

Today, the Linux desktop offers several alternatives for speech enabling
applications. For example:
* Speakup, Yasr, Emacspeak in text-based mode.
* The Gnome Accessibility Project, particularly, the Orca and LSR screen
readers, distinct Accessibility APIs. 

Does some of these concepts may benefit to a mobile with native GTK+
based applications?

I guess that firstly an evaluation is needed to measure its
feasibility.  
The Speakup and Gnome Accessibility lists have been informed of this
thread.

For info, eSpeak is a GPL voice synthesizer: http://espeak.sf.net
Some features:
- multi languages,
- small footprint,
- runs on Intel or ARM platforms.

Today it works with Orca, Speakup (via Speech-Dispatcher), Emacspeak and
more. eSpeak will be the default voice synthesizer in Ubuntu Feisty. 

Gilles


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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[Ian Stirling]

kkr wrote:
Le mardi 27 mars 2007 à 18:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : 

On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:

On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote:

Dear all,
This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no

place in

a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).

Basically, yes, laser pointers can be dangerous, however, actual
damage is not 
very likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Hazards. 

As for the rest, I agree with Joe. 

You could also just take the batteries out ;-)

-Sean


IANAL, but as I've read on Internet, in England and in France, the
ownership of laser could be punished by the law... So, if his power
exceeds the maximum allowed (1 mW), it could be to seize by the
authorities (even without battery) and the owner fined for owning it.


In the UK, up to 5mW is allowed.

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[kkr]

Le mardi 27 mars 2007 à 18:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : 
> On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > > This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
> > > representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
> > > Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no
> > place in
> > > a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).
> > 
> > Basically, yes, laser pointers can be dangerous, however, actual
> > damage is not 
> > very likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Hazards. 
> > 
> > As for the rest, I agree with Joe. 
> 
> You could also just take the batteries out ;-)
> 
> -Sean

IANAL, but as I've read on Internet, in England and in France, the
ownership of laser could be punished by the law... So, if his power
exceeds the maximum allowed (1 mW), it could be to seize by the
authorities (even without battery) and the owner fined for owning it.

http://www.answers.com/topic/laser-pointer
  The output power of a laser pointer is measured in milliwatts (mW).  
  Typically in Europe/UK the legal requirement is that a laser pointer 
  output not exceed 1 mW; in USA this output is limited to 5 mW for 
  presentation lasers. Lasers with outputs over 5 mW need to be  
  registered with the FDA in the USA.

Another interesting link :  
  http://en.allexperts.com/e/l/la/laser_pointer.htm


In Switzerland, the sale to the minors (<18) is forbidden and all laser
pointers (any class) are illegal in football stadium. 

So, in my case, I'll put it in a drawer and use the stylus of my HTC
Himalaya. 


Perhaps would it be better to replace it by a normal stylus and save
some US$ (or replace it by a bigger SDCard)? 

Or to propose it as an option (with extra charge)? As it would be nice
to have the choice of the SDCard capacity (and an extra charge for it,
of course).


Regard,




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RE: Master Studies in "Embedded systems" starts in Pforzheim/Germany

[Graham Auld]

Hi Wolfgang,

Sadly I left last September, however looking at the money spent on my
project work last year indeed a couple of neo's could have been purchaced,
indeed since my work involved fitting a chair sized robot with an embedded
computer system a device like the neo with it's usb connectivity and the
bonus of a screen would have been ideal, neatly side stepping my power usage
issues. Having to drag the robot to a monitor when things went pear shaped
could too have been avoided if I had a neo on board. I will mention it to
the person continuing the project in any case as it could even be used as a
remote control device for the current vehicle system.

Sorry my mail is starting to ramble off topic...

Graham

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of homyx
Sent: 24 March 2007 19:44
To: Wolfgang Silbermayr
Cc: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Master Studies in "Embedded systems" starts in
Pforzheim/Germany

Wolfgang Silbermayr schrieb:
> I am just finishing the Bacchelor grade in HSSE (Hardware/Software
> Systems Engineering) in Hagenberg in Austria. Here at the university we
> have the master following to HSSE called Embedded Systems Design. In
> addition we also have a branch of study called Mobile Computing. I think
> it would be great if we could make OpenMoko popular there... I just
> don't know how to do this other than ordering my Neo and showing it to
> other people and hoping that the word of mouth will spread the
> information. This is just what I will do.
>
> Greetings, Wolfgang.
>   
If you're still at the university you should ask a professor for setting 
up a "students project". I'm applied at the University of Applied 
Science in Ingolstadt (Germany) and I'm trying to allure a professor.  
The  budget of a professor for  his/her labor should be enough to buy 
2-3 Neos for debugging reasons :)

/homyx

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Re: Adapter for MicroSD Card

[Jonathon Suggs]

Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:

My Neo came with such adapter.

Thanks, that was the answer I was looking for.

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Mokomake mkae setup fails

[Ewan Marshall]

Make setup for mokomakefile is giving this error:

make setup
[ -e bitbake ] || \
( svn co -r HEAD svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.6 
bitbake )
[ -e OE.mtn ] || \
( ( wget -c -O OE.mtn.bz2 
http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 || \
wget -c -O OE.mtn.bz2 
http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 ) 
&& \
  bunzip2 OE.mtn.bz2 && \
  mtn --db=OE.mtn db migrate && \
  mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev )
--15:58:30--  
http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2
   => `OE.mtn.bz2'
Resolving www.openembedded.org... 85.214.40.226
Connecting to www.openembedded.org|85.214.40.226|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 82,722,019 (79M) [text/plain]

100%[>] 82,722,019   230.83K/sETA 
00:00

16:04:57 (209.08 KB/s) - `OE.mtn.bz2' saved [82722019/82722019]

mtn: calculating necessary migration steps
mtn: no migration performed; database schema already up-to-date at 
ae196843d368d042f475e3dadfed11e9d7f9f01e
mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication
mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org
mtn: finding items to synchronize:
mtn: certificates | keys | revisions
mtn:   29,153 |   36 | 9,615
mtn:  bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in
mtn: 1.9 M | 1.5 M |0 |   0
mtn:  bytes in | bytes out |  certs in | revs in
mtn:10.7 M | 1.6 M |  9,043/14,181 | 2,229/3,505
mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, 
disconnecting
make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1

I then tried
 make update-makefile ; make update ; make setup
( rm -rf Makefile.old ; \
  mv Makefile Makefile.old ; \
  wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile && \
  rm -f Makefile.old )
--19:00:51--  http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile
   => `Makefile'
Resolving www.rwhitby.net... 66.159.209.60
Connecting to www.rwhitby.net|66.159.209.60|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile 
[following]
--19:00:53--  http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile
   => `Makefile'
Resolving svn.nslu2-linux.org... 140.211.167.165
Connecting to svn.nslu2-linux.org|140.211.167.165|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 7,216 (7.0K) [text/plain]

100%[>] 7,216 34.30K/s 

19:00:54 (34.18 KB/s) - `Makefile' saved [7216/7216]

mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev
mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication
mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org
mtn: finding items to synchronize:
mtn: certificates | keys | revisions
mtn:   35,937 |   44 |11,844
mtn:  bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in
mtn: 1.2 M | 1.1 M |0 |   0
mtn:  bytes in | bytes out |certs in | revs in
mtn:17.3 M | 1.1 M | 2,685/5,154 |   665/1,280
mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, 
disconnecting
make: *** [update-mtn] Error 1
[ -e bitbake ] || \
( svn co -r HEAD svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.6 
bitbake )
[ -e OE.mtn ] || \
( ( wget -c -O OE.mtn.bz2 
http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 || \
wget -c -O OE.mtn.bz2 
http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 ) 
&& \
  bunzip2 OE.mtn.bz2 && \
  mtn --db=OE.mtn db migrate && \
  mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev )
[ -e openembedded/_MTN/revision ] || \
( mtn --db=OE.mtn checkout --branch=org.openembedded.dev \
 openembedded )
mtn: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads:
mtn:   190b6a69d61b81a346fd716bd98a7dd4b0fdc441 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
2007-03-07T03:54:38
mtn:   234f2f3a7aa277eff91304510795af8ab99d25eb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
2007-03-17T14:06:02
mtn:   6e0836f6545a5ac5fc1ad87762258f2e4d01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
2007-02-22T22:18:44
mtn:   a33060785662f1407a1d47f9e23df18b384ec12b [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
2007-03-06T11:22:52
mtn:   dd2914802be68a8406e20f6af7f15a588be59465 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
2007-03-06T12:28:44
mtn: choose one with 'mtn checkout -r'
mtn: error: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads
make: *** [setup-openembedded] Error 1


I hope you can tell me the problem.
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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Bradley Hook]

I work at the Kansas School for the Blind. Portable computing devices
for the visually impaired are extremely expensive, so seeing an
affordable OpenMoko device that is blind-friendly would be great.

Personally, I am interested in OpenMoko because I think using a phone
for remote administration of my Linux servers would be convenient. But,
I'd be more than interested in connecting developers with the experts I
know in the field of disability accommodations.

As for making touch-screen devices accessible, take a look at the
"Maestro", which has a clip-on cover for Dell Axim PocketPCs. You can
see a picture of the device at
http://www.humanware.ca/web/en/p_DA_Maestro.asp#content

A similar clip-on device would be ideal in the case of OpenMoko.
Obviously, if the UI were designed with such a cover in mind, then
implementation of the cover device would be much easier.

~Bradley

adrian cockcroft wrote:
> There are a lot of people who can't read the tiny fonts on their phone
> screen. I'm particularly interested in making a UI variant that is
> optimized for people with failing eyesight, but not completely blind.
> I have a friend with macular degeneration who wants me to make a phone
> she can use, and many older people just get long sighted and want a
> simple UI they can actually read.
> 
> For completely blind people we could make a voice driven UI using
> VoiceXML to specify the flows. I work alongside someone who has done
> VXML work using Tellme's backend service. I'm not sure if there are
> implementations we could use on the phone itself.
> 
> Adrian
> 
> On 3/27/07, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 27 March 2007 10:23:08 Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
>> wrote:
>> > There's so much to do for blind person and we can do it together so
>> > think guys and please provide some solutions and thoughts.
>>
>> I would imagine that a touchscreen only phone is quite hard to use for
>> blind
>> people as opposed to a phone with proper keys?
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Re: Adapter for MicroSD Card

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia wtorek, 27 marca 2007, Jonathon Suggs napisał:
> Will there be a standard SD card adapter for reading/writing to the
> included microSD card from a PC?

My Neo came with such adapter.

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Re: Adapter for MicroSD Card

[Steven **]

I bought one here:  http://store.shentech.com/samisdmitrtf.html

It was $0.75, but they charged ~$8 for shipping.

-Steven

On 3/27/07, Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> I dont know in general, but all Sandisk microsd cards I've seen have been
> shipped with microSD to SD adapters.
I know that when you purchase a microSD card it will come with an
adapter, but doesn't the Neo come with an included microSD card?  If so,
does the Neo also come with a microSD adapter?  That is my question...

I'm probably going to purchase a new/bigger microSD card, but just
wanted to know in case that purchase doesn't come till later...

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Re: OpenMoko at Embedded Systems Conference?

[Steven **]

Yah.  I was wondering about that.  A friend of mine keeps bugging me
asking "when is it going to be available?"  I just keep responding
"end of March".

We wait with bated breath.

-Steven

On 3/27/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not at this time. We're all busy trying to get hardware shipping.

-Sean


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Re: Master Studies in "Embedded systems" starts in Pforzheim/Germany

[homyx]

Wolfgang Silbermayr schrieb:

I am just finishing the Bacchelor grade in HSSE (Hardware/Software
Systems Engineering) in Hagenberg in Austria. Here at the university we
have the master following to HSSE called Embedded Systems Design. In
addition we also have a branch of study called Mobile Computing. I think
it would be great if we could make OpenMoko popular there... I just
don't know how to do this other than ordering my Neo and showing it to
other people and hoping that the word of mouth will spread the
information. This is just what I will do.

Greetings, Wolfgang.
  
If you're still at the university you should ask a professor for setting 
up a "students project". I'm applied at the University of Applied 
Science in Ingolstadt (Germany) and I'm trying to allure a professor.  
The  budget of a professor for  his/her labor should be enough to buy 
2-3 Neos for debugging reasons :)


/homyx

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[michael]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:


On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:

On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote:

Dear all,
This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no

place in

a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).


Basically, yes, laser pointers can be dangerous, however, actual
damage is not
very likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Hazards.

As for the rest, I agree with Joe.


You could also just take the batteries out ;-)

-Sean


You could also not use the darn thing. There are plenty of alternative stylii
out on the market, and as far as I know all are compatible with the Neo 1973.
You don't even have to set up a special development environment :-)

Michael

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Re: Adapter for MicroSD Card

[Jonathon Suggs]

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
I dont know in general, but all Sandisk microsd cards I've seen have been 
shipped with microSD to SD adapters.
I know that when you purchase a microSD card it will come with an 
adapter, but doesn't the Neo come with an included microSD card?  If so, 
does the Neo also come with a microSD adapter?  That is my question...


I'm probably going to purchase a new/bigger microSD card, but just 
wanted to know in case that purchase doesn't come till later...


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Re: Adapter for MicroSD Card

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Tuesday 27 March 2007 17:00:37 Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Will there be a standard SD card adapter for reading/writing to the
> included microSD card from a PC?  I'm getting ready to purchase a card
> reader and wanted to know if I also needed to purchase an adapter.  If
> so, were can you buy just the adapters?
>


I dont know in general, but all Sandisk microsd cards I've seen have been 
shipped with microSD to SD adapters.



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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[adrian cockcroft]

There are a lot of people who can't read the tiny fonts on their phone
screen. I'm particularly interested in making a UI variant that is
optimized for people with failing eyesight, but not completely blind.
I have a friend with macular degeneration who wants me to make a phone
she can use, and many older people just get long sighted and want a
simple UI they can actually read.

For completely blind people we could make a voice driven UI using
VoiceXML to specify the flows. I work alongside someone who has done
VXML work using Tellme's backend service. I'm not sure if there are
implementations we could use on the phone itself.

Adrian

On 3/27/07, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 27 March 2007 10:23:08 Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote:
> There's so much to do for blind person and we can do it together so
> think guys and please provide some solutions and thoughts.

I would imagine that a touchscreen only phone is quite hard to use for blind
people as opposed to a phone with proper keys?

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Adapter for MicroSD Card

[Jonathon Suggs]

Will there be a standard SD card adapter for reading/writing to the 
included microSD card from a PC?  I'm getting ready to purchase a card 
reader and wanted to know if I also needed to purchase an adapter.  If 
so, were can you buy just the adapters?


Thanks,
Jonathon

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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Jeffrey L. Taylor]

Quoting Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip]
> Right I forgot about tactile display but plastic keys should be great. I 
> think it should work because all PDA point-sticks work great. Touch-keys 
> don't have to be clear... because blind person don't care about it, 
> remember.

But not all of their friends are blind.  Making a phone unusable by a sighted
person is as bad as making it unusable for a blind person.  At least for POTS
usage.  IMHO, anyone who has used a cellphone before should be able to pick up
an unfamiliar phone and answer a call and/or make a call a manually entered
number.

Ideally this would extend to deaf people too.  However, I don't think texting
UI is as standardized as voice & hard/soft keys UI.

Just my $0.02USD,
  Jeffrey

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RE: OpenMoko at Embedded Systems Conference?

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 13:30 +0200, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote:
> Will anyone else from FIC or OpenMoko be there ?

Not at this time. We're all busy trying to get hardware shipping. 

-Sean

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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Tuesday 27 March 2007 10:23:08 Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote:
> There's so much to do for blind person and we can do it together so
> think guys and please provide some solutions and thoughts.

I would imagine that a touchscreen only phone is quite hard to use for blind 
people as opposed to a phone with proper keys?


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RE: OpenMoko at Embedded Systems Conference?

[Christian F.K. Schaller]

Hi,
Will anyone else from FIC or OpenMoko be there ?

Christian

On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 14:26 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Thanks for the information.  I am afraid that Sean cannot attend this ESC on 
> 4/1-5 in San Jose.  He will be leaving for Paris on 4/3 for attending the 
> FOSTEL dated on 4/4-5, then fly to Frankfurt on 4/6.
> 
> -Liane 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:17 AM
> > To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
> > Subject: OpenMoko at Embedded Systems Conference?
> > 
> > I'm starting to get email and fliers about the annual 
> > Embedded Systems Conference, April 1-5 in San Jose.
> > 
> > It's not directly OpenMoko relevant, but not unrelated, either.
> > 
> > Will OpenMoko be present there?
> > 
> > Michael
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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.]

Arthur Marsh napisał(a):
A large, high contrast display would help many vision impaired people, 
and a well-thought out spoken menu system with speech synthesis would 
help many low vision and completely blind people. The FIC 1973 does 
have the drawback of there being no tactile feedback for input via the 
screen. Does the hardware support the touch screen working if it were 
covered with a clear plastic screen with a raised grid pattern on it?
Right I forgot about tactile display but plastic keys should be great. I 
think it should work because all PDA point-sticks work great. Touch-keys 
don't have to be clear... because blind person don't care about it, 
remember.


Regards
--
*Bartlomiej Zdanowski*
Programmer
Product Research & Development Department
AutoGuard & Insurance Ltd.

Omulewska 27 street
04-128 Warsaw
Poland
phone +48 22 611 69 23
www.autoguard.pl 
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Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Arthur Marsh]

Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote, On 27/03/07 17:53:

Hi.
I thought about voice synthesizer software to build in OpenMoko for 
blind person. I know some blind people and currently they can only use 
Nokia with Symbian and proper software. Does anyone have any experience 
with voice synthesizer soft and can provide some info whether it can be 
implemented on OpenMoko platform?
There's so much to do for blind person and we can do it together so 
think guys and please provide some solutions and thoughts.


Hi, a person I used to work for had a package called "Mobile 
Accessibility" on a Nokia (symbian os) handset.


The drawbacks included not being entirely stable, being expensive, the 
copy protection that meant it couldn't be moved from handset to handset 
without getting a new activation code from the supplier, and the lack of 
ability to customise things.


A large, high contrast display would help many vision impaired people, 
and a well-thought out spoken menu system with speech synthesis would 
help many low vision and completely blind people. The FIC 1973 does have 
the drawback of there being no tactile feedback for input via the 
screen. Does the hardware support the touch screen working if it were 
covered with a clear plastic screen with a raised grid pattern on it?


Regards,

Arthur.


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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a
> > representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone.
> > Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no
> place in
> > a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones).
> 
> Basically, yes, laser pointers can be dangerous, however, actual
> damage is not 
> very likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Hazards. 
> 
> As for the rest, I agree with Joe. 

You could also just take the batteries out ;-)

-Sean


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Re: OT: MediaWiki Updates

[Vincent]

On 27/03/07, Alessandro Iurlano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I want to listen for OpenMokO wiki updates through some RSS
> reader.
> Is this possible? If yes, please let me know how to do it.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Karthik



I think that subscribing to this url should be what you are looking for:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss

Hope it helps,
Alessandro

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Ah, that's better, of course.

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Re: OT: MediaWiki Updates

[Vincent]

On 27/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear all,
I want to listen for OpenMokO wiki updates through some RSS
reader.
Is this possible? If yes, please let me know how to do it.

Thanks in Advance,
Karthik



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Not perfect, but:
http://www.feedity.com/?http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges

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Re: OT: MediaWiki Updates

[Alessandro Iurlano]

On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear all,
I want to listen for OpenMokO wiki updates through some RSS
reader.
Is this possible? If yes, please let me know how to do it.

Thanks in Advance,
Karthik




I think that subscribing to this url should be what you are looking for:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss

Hope it helps,
Alessandro
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Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person

[Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.]

Hi.
I thought about voice synthesizer software to build in OpenMoko for 
blind person. I know some blind people and currently they can only use 
Nokia with Symbian and proper software. Does anyone have any experience 
with voice synthesizer soft and can provide some info whether it can be 
implemented on OpenMoko platform?
There's so much to do for blind person and we can do it together so 
think guys and please provide some solutions and thoughts.


Best regards,
--
*Bartlomiej Zdanowski*
Programmer
Product Research & Development Department
AutoGuard & Insurance Ltd.

Omulewska 27 street
04-128 Warsaw
Poland
phone +48 22 611 69 23
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OT: MediaWiki Updates

[tech]

Dear all,
I want to listen for OpenMokO wiki updates through some RSS reader.
Is this possible? If yes, please let me know how to do it.

Thanks in Advance,
Karthik



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