Re: standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 08:19:34 Paul A. Lambert wrote: > compatible this group is at least in philosophy. The > participation is closed, the forum allows patented code (as long as > the license is non-discriminatory). Even with these issues, I'd > still be very interested in seeing what th

Re: standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread Paul A. Lambert
On Jun 11, 2007, at 10:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if this is useful. It sounds a bit more like a marketing group. You have to pay a fee to join. On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Dean Collins wrote: Long overdue and if it is a standard then lets all jump onboard and work with it f

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-11 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 11 June 2007 19:00:42 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > I totally agree with your points. Please keep in mind that this was > our first design. And that we are using an ID design that simply > wasn't made for what this project has become. It was originally > designed for a completely different us

RE: standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread michael
I'm not sure if this is useful. It sounds a bit more like a marketing group. You have to pay a fee to join. On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Dean Collins wrote: Long overdue and if it is a standard then lets all jump onboard and work with it from inside rather than throwing rocks from the outside. C

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread Tim Newsom
Interesting... Web services... I wonder if that makes it possible to export the web service off the phone To a program running somewhere else... Or if its limited to some local channel. And, anyway.. That only means you would have to wrap it in another, fully exportable, web service for such i

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Wow. once again Apple justifies our lead. On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:54 PM, adrian cockcroft wrote: Also, Apple's announcement today about iPhone development using AJAX and exposing internal phone functions as web services to the iPhone's safari browser is tipping everything in the same direction

Re: standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From what I read, the LIPS group is creating an 'open' standard. The > impression I got from that was the other phone standards group was > closed' whatever that means. It just struck me that the phone book contact info is pretty close to what one wants f

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread adrian cockcroft
Also, Apple's announcement today about iPhone development using AJAX and exposing internal phone functions as web services to the iPhone's safari browser is tipping everything in the same direction. Cheers Adrian On 6/11/07, Matthew S. Hamrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah... we're thinking

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-11 Thread Jon Phillips
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 19:19 -0500, Tim Shannon wrote: > I know that there are going to be themes for the OpenMoko interface, > but I'm just wondering if there is anyone who has started working on > alternate themes? I think I'd like to take a crack at it, and I was > curious if anyone has had any

Open Moko Themes

2007-06-11 Thread Tim Shannon
I know that there are going to be themes for the OpenMoko interface, but I'm just wondering if there is anyone who has started working on alternate themes? I think I'd like to take a crack at it, and I was curious if anyone has had any start yet. ___ Op

Re: standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread Tim Newsom
From what I read, the LIPS group is creating an 'open' standard. The impression I got from that was the other phone standards group was 'closed' whatever that means. If we are going to back a group, maybe FIC should join it and help in the development process of the standard. None of the memb

RE: standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread Dean Collins
Long overdue and if it is a standard then lets all jump onboard and work with it from inside rather than throwing rocks from the outside. Cheers, Dean > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson > Sent

standard API for linux phones?

2007-06-11 Thread Robin Paulson
the register has a piece about a draft of a standard API for linux phones, concerning basics such as interaction with the address book, texting, ui and voice-calling. future revisons to increase the coverage http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/11/lips_mobile_linux/ and from TFA http://www.lips

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-11 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within about a month we should be more or less finished a

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-11 Thread denis
Krzysztof Kajkowski schrieb: > 2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will >> address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months >> because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within >> about a

Re: Wiimote, I2C & Neo

2007-06-11 Thread Steven **
Not unless the Neo has a camera. Don't forget that the Wii remote has one. -Steven On 6/11/07, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Florent THIERY wrote: > > In other terms: we could potentially use any Wiimote accessory on a > Neo... A nunchunk has a 3 axis accelerometer, joystick and b

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-11 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/6/11, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Believe me when I say that we are working on new stuff that will address these issues. I have been quiet for the past few months because of some major internal re-allocations and new events. Within about a month we should be more or less finished a

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-11 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sean Moss-Pultz writes: > >On Jun 11, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Miguel A. Torres wrote: >> >> * Integrated keyboard and directional pads are not mere luxuries, >> but necessities. They allow for safe one hand operation while >> reducing touchscreen stress. Touchscreens are fragile (get >> scratched e

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-11 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
[I'm CC'ing the community list because there's lots of points here that go well beyond hardware.] On Jun 11, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Miguel A. Torres wrote: Hi, Like many of you, I'm following the project with great enthusiasm. This will surely demonstrate companies in the sector that open sou

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Yeah... we're thinking that we were going to totally separate the model and domain processing from the view/controller part of the application. That way we could have a couple different HTML interfaces as well as a SVG/ECMAScript interface. I'm not terribly familiar with XAML or XUL, but I

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread Tim Newsom
If we are heading in the direction of web interfaces, I think we should look at XAML or XUL or something similar. From what I can tell, they will be adding silverlight support to mono, so using XAML will be possible. This also separates the code for functionality from the interface and can al

Re: Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Florent... This is something we've been working on at the homebrew mobile phone club for a while. Our project is called Jowles and is focused on creating an application architecture that provides both XML and DBUS interfaces to system services. One of our very old demos can be seen at htt

openmoko in a digg story

2007-06-11 Thread Brad Pitcher
Hey everyone! Saw this page on digg today about 5 cool linux phones. The Neo1973 is one of them and there is a great video to go along with it. Check it out! http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Cool_Linux_Powered_Phones (and digg all the comments that say good things about openmoko ;) _

Web-based GUI technology for OpenMoko

2007-06-11 Thread Florent THIERY
Here's a little look-and-feel example that could be done with an opensource AJAX framework [javascript required]: http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/showcase This may allow easier separation between apps and GUIs. Of course, as usual we have no idea how well such an app would perform (little & grat

Re: Wiimote, I2C & Neo

2007-06-11 Thread kenneth marken
Florent THIERY wrote: In other terms: we could potentially use any Wiimote accessory on a Neo... A nunchunk has a 3 axis accelerometer, joystick and buttons, for instance (for a mere 20$). What are the upcoming wii accessories? :) or how about going the other way, using the upcoming neo varia

Re: Wiimote, I2C & Neo

2007-06-11 Thread Florent THIERY
I guess if what you really want is the joystick ... Or any upcoming Wii accessories (who knows what will come from these prolific brains ^^ ?); i guess a text input accessory will have to come sooner or later. Yet, as you pointed out, here i'm interested by the joystick + buttons you'd want th

Re: Wiimote, I2C & Neo

2007-06-11 Thread Steven **
The Wii remotes use standard bluetooth. See http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote_driver for some info on connecting to a Linux box. If you a have better source, please share. So, if you're just looking for the accelerometer, there's no need to splice wires. Plus, the GTA02 will have two 3D a

Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?

2007-06-11 Thread Fabien
Following the "there's much more than GFX effects in a usable UI", here's an interesting blog post: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000883.html It's not about embedded devices GUI, rather about desktop apps vs. web apps. However, mutatis mutandis, it drives another nail in the same cof

Re: cellphone-sized X86 PC motherboard potential OpenMoko platform?

2007-06-11 Thread Attila Csipa
On Sunday 10 June 2007 22:50, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > And IMHO there is only a very weak relation between a processor's > instruction set and its power consumption. Not direct, but several strong points can arise from using a specific instruction set (presuming compatibility is one of t

Wiimote, I2C & Neo

2007-06-11 Thread Florent THIERY
From: http://www.windmeadow.com/node/42 "Data can be read from a wii nunchuck directly into an Arduino, using TWI (aka I2C). " In other terms: we could potentially use any Wiimote accessory on a Neo... A nunchunk has a 3 axis accelerometer, joystick and buttons, for instance (for a mere 20$). W