gmail.com problems and this list
I've been lurking, and I am excited to follow the project also. Anyway about the gmail thing: those domains luitvd.net, bigredtj.com, and notdot.net seem to have MX records pointing to googlemail. This would normally seem strange to me, but my domain (timjones.com) does that too - it is because I am using GMail for Domains - where you point your MX records to google in your zone files, and they accept and serve mail for you. I would highly suspect that these guys' domains are on GMail for Domains as well. I love it because it gives me all server-based email for all my PC and my Treo650, and I kept control over every other aspect of my domain name (DNS, Webserver, etc). I don't have any idea what to do about this problem, but this message will probably appear in many list-digest as well. -- Timothy Jones, http://timjones.com - http://linuxtampa.com Programmer, wind instrumentalist, friend ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: So we can buy GTA01B_v4 tomorrow?
Yeah~, actually I lived in Suzhou, I wonder if I can buy one near my home:) Jason Elwell wrote: No news yet. (No news is good news, right?) Hopefully, at 12:01am Monday morning Taiwan time, I will be ording my new Neo1973. -Jason On Saturday 07 July 2007 23:43:01 Songmao Tian wrote: Have I missed some news? Tian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: So we can buy GTA01B_v4 tomorrow?
No news yet. (No news is good news, right?) Hopefully, at 12:01am Monday morning Taiwan time, I will be ording my new Neo1973. -Jason On Saturday 07 July 2007 23:43:01 Songmao Tian wrote: > Have I missed some news? > > Tian > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
So we can buy GTA01B_v4 tomorrow?
Have I missed some news? Tian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail.com problems and this list
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ryan Prior writes: Are my emails getting sent twice somehow? I'm using gmail, but have not noticed any duplication or errors. Have you been noticing duplicates from other people? I haven't noticed whether you've got one of the repeating messages (it isn't twice -- it's something like hourly, something like forever). I'm seeing duplicates from these non-gmail accounts: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some messages from these accounts are duplicating, but not all. So maybe its not necessarily limited to gmail, and not linked to individual accounts, but more to individual emails. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ripples on Contact
hmmm, you do have a good point... I just had this horrible vision of a full screen ripple... if you constrained it to the control that was touched, it could be a very subtle, visually stimulating effect... not to mention, it confirms really well exactly which control was touched, and if, say the button, activated on RELEASE you've got a way to detect and correct accidental button pushes (if you get the wrong button, slide your finger off onto some other portion of the screen... have the GUI system then disregard the touch). taking it one step farther, have the vibrating system (I think I remember us having one, right) react to the ripples... when they reach the outside of the constraining control, have it give you a little "kick" like dropping a rock into a bucket: you feel the waves hit when the ripples hit the edge It's stuff like this that really makes you appreciate an open device: if the effect is THAT annoying, just turn it off, if you like it, turn it on --Jeff On 7/7/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A ripple effect does NOT need to be something annoying, like the current Beryl effect is. It could be a single pronounced, fast-moving, tiny ripple that lasts for a tenth of a second and is followed by one more ripple which is just as fast but less pronounced. Furthermore, the effect could only trigger on GUI button touch events, not every touch on the phone. A drag could produce a similar but distinguishable ripple effect, reminding the user of dragging a finger in water. The theme could be called "Wishing Well", and could be water and fantasy themed. Think of the larger picture -- themes that take advantage of this neat eye candy, not just adding an annoying ripple effect (with an easy "toggle off" button) to normal OpenMoko themes. On 7/7/07, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sudarshan, > > Could be really cool, especially as a reply to the iphone people (iphone > guy: I've got multitouch! me: my phone ripples, and when I close a window it > lights on fire(isn't blowing mac people's minds what beryl's for?)) but I > really think it's something that should be able to turn off REALLY quick... > something that would get annoying very fast. > > as for performance, the version released october-ish was announced to > have a graphics accellerator onboard... if you can offload your effect to > that, shouldn't be a problem > > really makes you wonder about a version of beryl for mobile devices... > you could create a lot of effects... as long as it's as easy to switch back > and forth, I'm a fan > > On 7/7/07, Sudharshan S < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > I got this idea of a small eye candy after having a look at beryl. How > > about when, someone touches the touchscreen ripples get generated with > > the point of contact as the centre. Am not sure how useful this could > > be > > but, i feel this would be a nice "fluidy" feedback to the onscreen > > keyboard. Given the FPU on the neo, I am also curious what kind of > > performance deteriotation we are looking at and the difficulty level > > in > > implementing such a hack. > > > > Regards > > Sudharshan S > > http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > Jeff > O|||O > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail.com problems and this list
Ryan Prior writes: >Are my emails getting sent twice somehow? I'm using gmail, but have not >noticed any duplication or errors. Have you been noticing duplicates from other people? I haven't noticed whether you've got one of the repeating messages (it isn't twice -- it's something like hourly, something like forever). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail.com problems and this list
Are my emails getting sent twice somehow? I'm using gmail, but have not noticed any duplication or errors. On 7/7/07, David Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If anyone has noticed.. Those of you posting from Gmail accounts are having your emails re-sent every 60-90 minutes. It is decidedly Gmail that is at fault: Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so897990pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.67.18 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:10:29 +1200 From: "Robin Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so916804pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so940109pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so970703pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id j2so400452nzf for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1058407pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1086601pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) The message-id remains the same so those of you that control your mail server can filter out duplicate message-ids. This is just an FYI for those of you that use Gmail and have been emailing people the last few days. -david ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Seamless switching from gprs to wifi calling
I'll have to come back on this... I've read several stories about t-mobile's [EMAIL PROTECTED] service lately, and it seems like t-mobile made it possible to let it switch between UMA and airwaves. I intentionally don't call it seamless, because it isn't. (yet?) Several reports say it takes a second or two to switch between WiFi and GSM airwaves -- Luit On 6/10/07, Luit van Drongelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, As I said, to do the T-Mobile thing, you'd need a GSM/UMA backbone that's capable of routing calls through both. Though I don't think it's easy to reroute (hand over) a call from one of the protocols to the other. It requires timing, which requires computing power, which requires a mighty strong backbone for all the people using the service. So my guess is that T-Mobile's Hotspot services only lets you use one of the two protocols. As long as you're near a hotspot, you're logged in to the UMA backbone, and your phone number is assigned to that hotspot service. If you're not logged in, incoming and outgoing calls are routed through GSM normally. And there's the problem for doing it yourself. You can't really decide for yourself where the calls for your number are routed to. The service provider decides, and without a "T-Mobile Hotspot @ home"-like service backbone, you can't do this. You can either call through WiFi using SIP, but it'll use your SIP number, not your GSM number. And vice-versa. It's all up to the service provider to enable goodness like this... :( -- Luit On 6/8/07, mathew davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for all the input. Sounds very interesting. I didn't realize that > UMA isn't VoIP. I don't want to use t-mobiles system. I was thinking of > how I could do it without using their system, but the same idea. Sounds > like I have got a lot fo reading ahead of me and that this problem is bigger > than I thought it would be. Just to make sure I got every thing right GPRS > is to slow. Inorder to get something like this to work you need the > following: Client software capable of handling 2 streams sip and gsm. It > also has to know when to hand over from one to the other. You also need a > server that can handle the 2 streams and know when to throw away the extra > data. Does that sound right? Just want to make sure I understand what you > guys wrote. That IMS thing sounds interesting I will have to do some > research on that. Thanks for the info. > > > > On 6/8/07, Luit van Drongelen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To get back to what Mathew asked: I don't think a T-Mobile > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is switching calls back and forth as you get in reach of > > a hotspot, and walk away from it. Secondly: this only works with > > T-Mobile! (for now) T-Mobile has probably set up a [EMAIL PROTECTED] call > > server near their GSM traffic backbone, on which your phone logs in, > > and through which your GSM traffic goes (with that UMA protocol) while > > you're logged in (in reach of a public (T-mobile) hotspot). Calls that > > already take place can't be re-routed I guess... > > > > Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that firstly: you need T-Mobile as > > your operator. Secondly: you need that T-Mobile HotSpot @home plan. > > Thirdly: you need a phone that's capable of routing your GSM traffic > > through UMA, to the T-Mobile UMA server/backbone/whatever they call > > it. As for the Neo1973 and OpenMoko: The phone can most likely do it, > > because the software just needs to know how to do it. BUT, I don't > > think T-Mobile will tell you how to log in. T-Mobile makes the phone > > software themselves for a reason. If they show you how to make a phone > > log in, you can make a program that logs your computer in too. So a > > FOSS solution for this probably won't come easily. > > > > -- > > Luit > > > > PS: sorry for the double post Johnson, it bounced because I mailed > > from the wrong account > > > > On 6/8/07, Al Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Check the archives for a full discussion of this. In short GPRS is > unsuitable > > > for VoIP because of the high latencies, often in seconds. The GSM data > mode > > > is more suitable even though it's only 9600. It should be possible to > have > > > Asterisk route calls to the right VoIP endpoint, or to a GSM voice call > if it > > > can place calls to the PSTN. The trick comes in knowing when to hand > over, > > > and having a unified client that'll get Asterisk to do it. > > > > > > On Friday 08 June 2007 06:21, kenneth marken wrote: > > > > mathew davis wrote: > > > > > Dear community, > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if this is a widely known thing or not, but I just > found > > > > > out about it and had some questions about this working on the neo. > > > > > T-mobile has hotspots all around my area, but have been > experimenting > > > > > with a new service called T-mobile HotSpot @Home. It uses a UMA > > > > > (unlicensed mobile access) technology to allow phones to switch from > > > > > cellular
Re: Openmoko ads on youtube
my goodness, that one's really strong! great punchline! really! better then the bull-crippling one. Not visually stunning, but wonderful concept! (sorry if it's a double post, but I guess the first one will be blocked for the list at first, because of the e-mail address) On 7/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 #21 is new. I think I went a little overboard. No one from openmoko has said to stop, so I guess these are okay to post on youtube. -adam ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko ads on youtube
my goodness, that one's really strong! great punchline! really! better then the bull-crippling one. Not visually stunning, but wonderful concept! On 7/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 #21 is new. I think I went a little overboard. No one from openmoko has said to stop, so I guess these are okay to post on youtube. -adam ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Openmoko ads on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 #21 is new. I think I went a little overboard. No one from openmoko has said to stop, so I guess these are okay to post on youtube. -adam ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ripples on Contact
Sudarshan, Could be really cool, especially as a reply to the iphone people (iphone guy: I've got multitouch! me: my phone ripples, and when I close a window it lights on fire(isn't blowing mac people's minds what beryl's for?)) but I really think it's something that should be able to turn off REALLY quick... something that would get annoying very fast. as for performance, the version released october-ish was announced to have a graphics accellerator onboard... if you can offload your effect to that, shouldn't be a problem really makes you wonder about a version of beryl for mobile devices... you could create a lot of effects... as long as it's as easy to switch back and forth, I'm a fan On 7/7/07, Sudharshan S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi guys, I got this idea of a small eye candy after having a look at beryl. How about when, someone touches the touchscreen ripples get generated with the point of contact as the centre. Am not sure how useful this could be but, i feel this would be a nice "fluidy" feedback to the onscreen keyboard. Given the FPU on the neo, I am also curious what kind of performance deteriotation we are looking at and the difficulty level in implementing such a hack. Regards Sudharshan S http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Server trouble?
I keep receiving them too - some of them more than 10 times! Thats annoying.. François CHAVANT wrote: Same issue here... Am Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:34:44 -0600 Schrieb Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I've now received quite a few copies of Andy Selby's comments on what time the NEO will be released, as well as Nick Johnson's message wanting UI designers involved. Are we having trouble with our server? They're both from gmail -- is there a gmail problem? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Georg Michelitsch Sonnenstraße 12, 8071 Vasoldsberg Österreich - Austria - Autriche Tel.: +43-664-9417167 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gmail.com problems and this list
If anyone has noticed.. Those of you posting from Gmail accounts are having your emails re-sent every 60-90 minutes. It is decidedly Gmail that is at fault: Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so897990pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.67.18 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:10:29 +1200 From: "Robin Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so916804pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so940109pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so970703pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id j2so400452nzf for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1058407pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1086601pye for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr400730rvj.1183792229565; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) The message-id remains the same so those of you that control your mail server can filter out duplicate message-ids. This is just an FYI for those of you that use Gmail and have been emailing people the last few days. -david ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Nice frame and features, if only it were OpenMoko
Take a peek here: http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-14303-HTC+Omni%2C+the+Universal+Killer.html Possibly the HTC Omni, features: * Windows Mobile 6.0 OS. * UMTS/HSDPA connectivity. * WVGA 4. 800×480 px display, subdisplay. * TV and VGA out. * 256 ROM, 1280 RAM and microSD memory card slot. * Wi-Fi b/g, USB and Bluetooth connectivity. * GPS/A-GPS. * Full QWERTY keyboard. * Dimensions: 130 x 81 x16 mm. (I think the RAM amount may be a typo in that listing, no idea though) And looks nice to boot. I *so* much hope to hold one of these with OpenMoko in them one day. -- Naked ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ripples on Contact
Hi guys, I got this idea of a small eye candy after having a look at beryl. How about when, someone touches the touchscreen ripples get generated with the point of contact as the centre. Am not sure how useful this could be but, i feel this would be a nice "fluidy" feedback to the onscreen keyboard. Given the FPU on the neo, I am also curious what kind of performance deteriotation we are looking at and the difficulty level in implementing such a hack. Regards Sudharshan S http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Blog entry on Ubuntu planet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I posted a short note about the ads and Monday's planned availability of the phones. See: http://planet.ubuntu.com or http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog Cheers, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGj5pufUcTXFrypNURA2u7AKC+BmNpBbTShMjOtLIay9ICodfw+QCfbLxr RbEIEl9shLZMe1As8PkfAx4= =Um6t -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ian Stirling writes: This is _NOT_ security by obscurity. This is an attempt at making transmitters that can do very bad things in the hands of users harder to obtain. You've got some good points (which I've snipped), but it is *exactly* security by obscurity. The released radio can do illegal things, and the only thing keeping its owner from programming it to do that is keeping the information of how it's programmed from the owner. It's not security by obscurity if a major barrier to programming it is coming up with a way to sign the firmware image. I was assuming that it is using a signed image. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IM application and other questions
On 7/5/07, Greg Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:01:48AM +1200, Nick Johnson wrote: > Is gsmd under our control, or is that the closed-source module I've > heard talked about? If it's open-source, I'll look into adding SMS > support to it. I was going to answer this with: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/daemons/gsmd/ But that appears to be empty. Am I bad at searching? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/ At any rate, I'm pretty sure the only closed part is the hardware inside the GSM module, the software to talk to it uses a published protocol... (right?) Right. regards Philipp ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IM application and other questions
"Jeff Andros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do we have any pidgin devs on here? how heavy is libpurple, it would > be really sweet to build a mobile version (what kind of bird is > smaller than a finch? sparrow?) It looks like maemo is working towards using libtelepathy as a backend for IM. I am not an expert on openmoko nor telepathy, but perhaps telepathy is worth considering. Niels PS: Related links follow to help your google searches http://telepathy.freedesktop.org http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_connection_managers_bora.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code#IM.2FVOIP_using_telepathy http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2007/03/sounds_of_the_shuttle.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Benchmarks
Oops. I took a look at your page of results, and noticed that the OMAP2420 didn't really perform all that well at floating point tests, despite its having a hardware VFP (vector floating point) unit. It then dawned on me that although I'd compiled nbench with hardware fp, it had been linked against a soft-float libm. If nothing else, comparing the differences between these new results and the ones I previously posted shows how much of a difference the floating point libm makes. So here are the new results with everything hardware floating point (I've also flashed an updated image since I posted the other results, but that should make little difference): Nokia-N800-26:~# ./nbench BYTEmark* Native Mode Benchmark ver. 2 (10/95) Index-split by Andrew D. Balsa (11/97) Linux/Unix* port by Uwe F. Mayer (12/96,11/97) TEST: Iterations/sec. : Old Index : New Index : : Pentium 90* : AMD K6/233* :--:-: NUMERIC SORT: 116.56 : 2.99 : 0.98 STRING SORT : 6.5519 : 2.93 : 0.45 BITFIELD: 3.2551e+07 : 5.58 : 1.17 FP EMULATION: 13.204 : 6.34 : 1.46 FOURIER : 996.52 : 1.13 : 0.64 ASSIGNMENT : 1.0108 : 3.85 : 1.00 IDEA: 284.63 : 4.35 : 1.29 HUFFMAN : 119.99 : 3.33 : 1.06 NEURAL NET : 1.1723 : 1.88 : 0.79 LU DECOMPOSITION: 39.681 : 2.06 : 1.48 ==ORIGINAL BYTEMARK RESULTS== INTEGER INDEX : 4.029 FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 1.637 Baseline (MSDOS*) : Pentium* 90, 256 KB L2-cache, Watcom* compiler 10.0 ==LINUX DATA BELOW=== CPU : L2 Cache: OS : Linux 2.6.18-omap1 C compiler : gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2) libc: ld-2.3.6.so MEMORY INDEX: 0.808 INTEGER INDEX : 1.185 FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 0.908 Baseline (LINUX): AMD K6/233*, 512 KB L2-cache, gcc 2.7.2.3, libc-5.4.38 * Trademarks are property of their respective holder. Cheers, Simon ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko ads now on youtube
I hope you don't mind, but I've placed your ads on Digg (I thought it would be nice to give a viral campaign a little push :-P). They're at http://digg.com/tech_news/OpenMoko_viral_ads_Free_your_phone , so go Digg them! Greeting, Mathiasdm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios
Brad Midgley wrote: Hey This got me thinking about how flexible the radio is. Is the sim card wired right into the gsm module? It would be nice if the phone could play nice with sim access profile (SAP) either by sharing the sim credentials with another device or by gaining sim credentials from another device and setting up the gsm radio to use them. Would the hardware allow for this? Brad the gsm/gprs modules handles accessing the airwaves, and does all that's required by the protocol to do so by itself, independently from whatever software controls it via AT commands. the SIM card contains your subscription informations, such as customer ID and the like. there is nothing in the openmoko that the FCC would refuse validating. the phone itself is *NOT* a Software Defined Radio. on the other hand, the hardware developped by the Gnu Radio Project is a Software Defined Radio and will be subject to this crap, and they don't feel like they are much concerned about it, so I guess the openmoko crowd shouldn't be concerned at all. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: EDGE, lack of 3G and keyboard
On 7/7/07, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/7/07, BJ Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And, lastly... I must say I'm addicted to the keyboard on my Treo 650. > I don't know what I'm going to do without it. I'm going to get a neo > when GTA2 comes out in October, regardless, since I would gladly give up > 90% of my typing speed simply to get out of the cell phone dark ages. > That being said, I think I'm still a firm believer in the absolute need > for a hardware keyboard. I'm open to anyone talking me out of it, but I > need to be able to type quickly in situations that aren't necessarily > conducive to stylus/finger steadiness, etc... So, is there a possibility > of a snap- or slide-on bluetooth or USB thumb keyboard for the neo, or > can anyone talk me out of my illogical desire to have a hardware keyboard? d'oh, sorry BJ. reposted correctly no, hardware kbs are great. sometimes touchscreens will do, but in other circumstances, a real tactile interface is needed. i and a few others have talked a couple of times on here about alternative cases for the neo. i've put together a list of a few case designs that the commuity could design and make (FIC are unlikely to offer alternatives that cover all these requests) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs#Design_Suggestions i had thought of the hardware kb thing earlier this morning, and have now added it to the list. i will be glad to make up a range of 3D models to be used to make the cases by steroelithograhy, as soon as i can get the dimensions of the internals from a neo owner the kb example on the wiki is pretty expensive - there's no reason we couldn't build a simple usb kb which continues the design flow of the neo and attaches to it in a nice way ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
