GTA02v1 vs GTA02v2

2007-08-29 Thread Rui Castro
Hi everybody, Can anyone tell me what the differences will be between GTA02v1 and GTA02v2? And if GTA02v1 will be on sale for developers? I am planning on buying 2 Neos, one for me and one for my girlfriend. If GTA02v1 will turn out to be a usable device I could buy a GTA02v1 for development and l

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-29 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wednesday 29 August 2007 17:52:44 Ian Stirling wrote: > So 'true GPL' systems should discourage users installing commercial > software? Closed source (proprietary) software, yes. Note that OSS _can_ be commercial, and I don't have a problem with that. OSS is ok and proprietary software is OK,

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-29 Thread David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. > I said much the same to this person, off-list, and got an equally churlish response. I see a spam filter coming with his email address on it... __

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I also resent the implication that I and others are "disgruntled whiners". While gentleman may agree or disagree, there is little to no call for this kind response to such a minor observation or suggestion. My

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-29 Thread Denis Parchenko
I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 8:42:55 PM, you wrote: > Quoting Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> How abo

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-29 Thread id
Quoting Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able to tell the phone to turn off its

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-29 Thread Denis Parchenko
> How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-29 Thread Ian Stirling
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 8/29/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It can do 'switch off on low battery', and be 'off' for several weeks-months, while being able to respond rapidly to charger being plugged in, and charge at high rate - but this again is unimplemented. How about turnin

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-29 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 8/29/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It can do 'switch off on low battery', and be 'off' for several > weeks-months, while being able to respond rapidly to charger being > plugged in, and charge at high rate - but this again is unimplemented. How about turning itself on at a parti

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-29 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
On 8/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am not interested to disect the argument around axis of symmetry to help > you prove your childish argument. > If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. It appear the tongue-in-cheek humour was lost o

Re: Power on device after being powered down

2007-08-29 Thread Ian Stirling
Nicolas Bougues wrote: On Monday 27 August 2007 15:15:11 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: I wonder that this could be serioul hickup after going public... I can already see all those frustrated users who left their phones for night and in the morning they cannot make important phone call. And they ha

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

2007-08-29 Thread Ian Stirling
Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 27 August 2007 17:24, Giles Jones wrote: It means a heck of a lot if you can't earn back the outlay. Mobile If you _can_ earn it back directly through selling proprietary software for it, OpenMoko is a mockery of the GPL. In that case you are not creating a tr

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am not interested to disect the argument around axis of symmetry to help you prove your childish argument. If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Read the post

Hardiness of the Neo1973?

2007-08-29 Thread Baxter Kylie
Hi. I've been following this project for a couple years with great interest but I have a few questions (for those with gen1 and just those with some knowledge of the possibilities/limitations of the hardware) How hardy is the unit? I realize it has no moving parts but could it take repeated jarri

RE: Feature status page

2007-08-29 Thread Heilpern, Mark
This would serve as a great project map as well, since each feature would point to a feature-dedicated page (where appropriate). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Wood Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:15 AM To: List for OpenMoko comm

Re: Myth Busting FTW

2007-08-29 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
On 15:35:39 2007-08-29 "Jeremy G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "The "free and open Anti-iPhone" rhetoric surrounding the FIC phone is > therefore marketing drivel to sell a Chinese Windows Mobile device as > a hobbyist kit for phone hackers." > > Statements like that really piss me off. For one,

Re: Myth Busting FTW

2007-08-29 Thread Jeremy G
"The "free and open Anti-iPhone" rhetoric surrounding the FIC phone is therefore marketing drivel to sell a Chinese Windows Mobile device as a hobbyist kit for phone hackers." Statements like that really piss me off. For one, AFAIK nobody within FIC is trying to introduce the Neo as an "Anti-iPho

Re: Feature status page

2007-08-29 Thread Thomas Wood
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:01 -0400, Jacques Poulin wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a page somewhere that gives the status of the different features > usually found on a phone for the Openmoko project ? Sounds like an excellent idea! Would you like to volunteer to create the page in the wiki? We can t

Re: Release schedule GTA-2

2007-08-29 Thread Mario Wewer
So - does anyone know anything about shipping GTA02 phase-1 devices? Will they be marked as "developer-equipment" and maybe also sold with a "special price" like the GTA01 devices? - Original Message - From: "mokoNinja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "List for OpenMoko community discussion" Sen

Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.

2007-08-29 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Read the post before you jump to conclusions. > The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. I did: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more

Re: Release schedule GTA-2

2007-08-29 Thread wee . kiampeng
awesome pics! cheers! On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:40:19 +0800, mokoNinja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Marco Barreno wrote: > >> Right--the phase is tied to the progress of the software and the >> readiness of the phone. The same three phases will apply to future >> de

Re: Myth Busting FTW

2007-08-29 Thread Vincent
On 29/08/2007, Richard Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heh! It's an Apple fan site, so you can't expect any attempt at > objectivity - as the forum following up the article shows: > > > http://roughlydrafted.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=290&page=1#Item_0 > > Given that Apple fans alrea

Re: Release schedule GTA-2

2007-08-29 Thread mokoNinja
On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Marco Barreno wrote: Right--the phase is tied to the progress of the software and the readiness of the phone. The same three phases will apply to future devices. GTA01 vs. GTA02 is an issue of hardware platform: GTA01 is a certain set of hardware components, and G