Re: Wiki - confusion
JW ha scritto: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) [snip] Hey, i think that you are a bit confused, asi've understood the names are: Neo 1973 - the phone, gta01 or gta02, is always the neo 1973 gta01xxx - first version of the phone for devs gta02xxx - second version of the phone that has to be released soon (oh we are waiting for it... :D) FreeRunner - another name to refer to the gta02xxx just to have a friendly name instead of GTA02 Is it right? Bye! Pietro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW - Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? Yes, I think you can move ahead with those changes. Let's see what others are saying... It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) That is correct. Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? We just hired a full time editor for the wiki. Her name is Brenda and she will start working after Chinese New Year (mid February). She has many years experience publishing and writing technical books. I'd say give her a few weeks to familiarize herself with the whole thing, then she will slowly start to 'edit' the wiki by cleaning up broken links, rearranging/grouping content, maybe doing some translations into Chinese, etc. If you like please get back to me around mid-February so I can introduce you to Brenda (she doesn't have an openmoko e-mail account yet). We are very determined to get the wiki into better shape. Brenda will help as an editor. We also try to improve things on the server. The wiki version we are using needs to be updated and improved. Search is abysmal. The theme doesn't look good. etc. But we have great content, and we will push more internal content into the wiki as well. Hope this helps, thanks a lot for your initiative! Feel free to make the changes you suggested, at least from my perspective it sounds good. Wolfgang On Feb 3, 2008, at 12:31 PM, JW wrote: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) However wiki pages are mixture of terms that doesn't make sense anymore because they have been used interchangeably over the last year. I changed a bit of section 1 of the FAQ page and started to look at tidying up the main pages at least to make this less confusing and I can do it the only problem is that i may break the pages/links of others This happens especially where the wiki page title needs to be changed. For example the Neo1973 page has loads of refs to GTA02 (which need moved to the, as yet blank Freerunner page) but it is linked to by 50 other pages many in other languages Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: JW ha scritto: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) [snip] Hey, i think that you are a bit confused, asi've understood the names are: Neo 1973 - the phone, gta01 or gta02, is always the neo 1973 gta01xxx - first version of the phone for devs gta02xxx - second version of the phone that has to be released soon (oh we are waiting for it... :D) FreeRunner - another name to refer to the gta02xxx just to have a friendly name instead of GTA02 Is it right? yes. also all the drivers got fixed just recently to reflect that original naming scheme. Neo1973 is a class of devices, not only one specific model. gta01 and gta02 are models. FreeRunner a synonym for gta02 release version kind regards -- Joachim Steiger developer relations/support ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
On 03/02/2008, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) However wiki pages are mixture of terms that doesn't make sense anymore because they have been used interchangeably over the last year. I changed a bit of section 1 of the FAQ page and started to look at tidying up the main pages at least to make this less confusing and I can do it the only problem is that i may break the pages/links of others This happens especially where the wiki page title needs to be changed. For example the Neo1973 page has loads of refs to GTA02 (which need moved to the, as yet blank Freerunner page) but it is linked to by 50 other pages many in other languages IIRC MediaWiki allows you to use the following as the content of a page: #REDIRECT [[Freerunner newpage]] So when you want to redirect GTA02 newpage to Freerunner newpage, you can use that without breaking any links. Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? JW Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Hello, Thank, you Joachim! That confirms what I knew! Joachim Steiger wrote: Neo1973 is a class of devices, not only one specific model. gta01 and gta02 are models. FreeRunner a synonym for gta02 release version Cheers, Bogdan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
JW, Pietro, roh - OK, the confusion even exist within OpenMoko :-) So it's definitely something we need to find out soon. I think it's like JW said, roh thinks it's like Pietro said. Stay tuned, we will find out soon... Wolfgang On Feb 3, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Joachim Steiger wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: JW ha scritto: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) [snip] Hey, i think that you are a bit confused, asi've understood the names are: Neo 1973 - the phone, gta01 or gta02, is always the neo 1973 gta01xxx - first version of the phone for devs gta02xxx - second version of the phone that has to be released soon (oh we are waiting for it... :D) FreeRunner - another name to refer to the gta02xxx just to have a friendly name instead of GTA02 Is it right? yes. also all the drivers got fixed just recently to reflect that original naming scheme. Neo1973 is a class of devices, not only one specific model. gta01 and gta02 are models. FreeRunner a synonym for gta02 release version kind regards -- Joachim Steiger developer relations/support ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) That is correct. Ok, but we wait to see if Piotr is right! I am glad I asked! We just hired a full time editor for the wiki. Her name is Brenda and she will start working after Chinese New Year (mid February). We are very determined to get the wiki into better shape. Brenda will help as an editor. Great news and something that is definitely needed before u start selling Freerunner :-) JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Basic questions about openmoko
ian chu wrote: Hello~ I have two simple questions about Openmoko develop. Is it correct to transfer our projects ( like GPS ) from PC to Openmoko by dfu ? and how? scp? If all you want is to download and install the file from the project repository, the cool solution may be to type wget on OpenMoko console: wget http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/118/mokash_0.2-r0_armv4t.ipk and it downloads file directly into the phone. Of course, it is easier to do this in the remote ssh console, not directly on the phone. Surely the naming service must be set up on the phone or (dirty approach) edit /etc/hosts . To upload my own ipk's, I use scp without problems: scp gpv_0.1_armv4t.ipk [EMAIL PROTECTED]:gpv2.ipk This should work if the ssh works. Audrius ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pocket Supercomputing?
On Thursday 31 January 2008, Lally Singh wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 5:31 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Do 31. Januar 2008 schrieb Shawn Rutledge: [...] My goal is to have applications written in arbitrary languages, running on app servers, using a terse UI meta-language *) to transfer the user-interaction parts of the apps to the thin client (more or less, depending on the processing power/bandwidth tradeoffs on the client side). *) So it seems you're talking about X. Don't you? (Well terse is relative) something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -X -l itsME myserver.dyndns.org konqueror Eh, these days it's probably better off being AJAX based. X widget sets haven't been designed for good use over slower network links in ages. May as well take advantage of web standards, and we can likely avoid having to write/invent anything specifically for the neo. NX anyone? The nxcl libs should make it fairly easy to do a front end for OpenMoko. It works well on restricted bandwidth and can be used for either individual apps or a whole desktop. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New wiki page - Problems of typical closed phones
On Sunday 03 February 2008 19:55, JW wrote: Hi Openmoko community I created a new page to list the problems of typical closed phones with the intention of informing potential Openmoko phone buyers. Please add your examples to the 4 I included as a starting point. Feedback welcome! :-) JW http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Problems_of_typical_%22closed%22_phones Well, first of all unlocking phones is NOT illegal - I have no idea where you got that from. Quite a few of the 'problems' you have pointed out are carrier issues not handset issues, ie it wont matter if you have a GTA01/02 or not. eg the use of voip software... Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pocket Supercomputing?
Hello, Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2008, Lally Singh wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 5:31 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Do 31. Januar 2008 schrieb Shawn Rutledge: [...] My goal is to have applications written in arbitrary languages, running on app servers, using a terse UI meta-language *) to transfer the user-interaction parts of the apps to the thin client (more or less, depending on the processing power/bandwidth tradeoffs on the client side). *) So it seems you're talking about X. Don't you? (Well terse is relative) something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -X -l itsME myserver.dyndns.org konqueror Eh, these days it's probably better off being AJAX based. X widget sets haven't been designed for good use over slower network links in ages. May as well take advantage of web standards, and we can likely avoid having to write/invent anything specifically for the neo. NX anyone? The nxcl libs should make it fairly easy to do a front end for OpenMoko. It works well on restricted bandwidth and can be used for either individual apps or a whole desktop. I made some nx packages for openmoko a while ago but never got around to test them. I did get nxcl and it's respective dependencies to compile without errors. If anybody is interested let me know. -Adrian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New wiki page - Problems of typical closed phones
Sorry, I have updated that. AFAIK: Here (in Hungary) it is illegal to unlock your phone. Certainly you can buy unlocked phone for a higher price, but unlocking already locked ones (by experts) is illegal. There are many people earning their money from this illegal activity though... Schmidt András Andy Powell wrote: On Sunday 03 February 2008 19:55, JW wrote: Hi Openmoko community I created a new page to list the problems of typical closed phones with the intention of informing potential Openmoko phone buyers. Please add your examples to the 4 I included as a starting point. Feedback welcome! :-) JW http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Problems_of_typical_%22closed%22_phones Well, first of all unlocking phones is NOT illegal - I have no idea where you got that from. Quite a few of the 'problems' you have pointed out are carrier issues not handset issues, ie it wont matter if you have a GTA01/02 or not. eg the use of voip software... Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pocket Supercomputing?
I would be interested :) 2008/2/3, Adrian-Ken Rueegsegger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2008, Lally Singh wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 5:31 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Do 31. Januar 2008 schrieb Shawn Rutledge: [...] My goal is to have applications written in arbitrary languages, running on app servers, using a terse UI meta-language *) to transfer the user-interaction parts of the apps to the thin client (more or less, depending on the processing power/bandwidth tradeoffs on the client side). *) So it seems you're talking about X. Don't you? (Well terse is relative) something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -X -l itsME myserver.dyndns.org konqueror Eh, these days it's probably better off being AJAX based. X widget sets haven't been designed for good use over slower network links in ages. May as well take advantage of web standards, and we can likely avoid having to write/invent anything specifically for the neo. NX anyone? The nxcl libs should make it fairly easy to do a front end for OpenMoko. It works well on restricted bandwidth and can be used for either individual apps or a whole desktop. I made some nx packages for openmoko a while ago but never got around to test them. I did get nxcl and it's respective dependencies to compile without errors. If anybody is interested let me know. -Adrian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OWFS on $WRT-router
Hi, I tried this: http://owfs.sourceforge.net/WRT54G.html and it doesn't work for me. It looks really weird how the author connected the DS2480B, which runs at 5V directly to the UART, which provides only 3.3V. I think this would need some level-shifting. The datasheet also says the POL-Pin (Pin6) has to be tied to +5V if directly connected to the UART. I made a small schematic with some resistors as level shifters: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4611/ds2480bwrtmp0.png but I don't think I like it. It's said that doing level shifting is very power hungry. Any better ideas? -Chris ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(no subject)
Hi all, I wrote a little gsmd testing framework, with the hope it can be used to stabilize (lib)gsmd. You can find an initial release on: http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/testing_gsmd.html NB: I cross-posted to three mailing lists to get exposure (everybody should be able to write tests, though you need AT command set knowledge), please choose wisely at which list you reply. Bye, Kero. PS: I am on IRC freenode#openmoko for discussion and assistance, too. EST, currently ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OWFS on $WRT-router
Sorry, wrong mailinglist. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New wiki page - Problems of typical
Quite a few of the 'problems' you have pointed out are carrier issues not handset issues, ie it wont matter if you have a GTA01/02 or not. eg the use of voip software... Andy Andy If you look I specifically said VOIP over wifi. OpenMoko phones WILL allow this! JW PS I agree about removing the illegal bit but that wasn't me in the first place :-) PPS I agree that you should challenge any items on the list :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New wiki page - Problems of typical
David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look I specifically said VOIP over wifi. OpenMoko phones WILL allow this! My unlocked Nokia E65 also allows this. As he said, it's a carrier issue, not a phone issue. Fair enough I stand corrected - I will remove this one Please add others that you have ideas for JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: New wiki page - Problems of typical
If you look I specifically said VOIP over wifi. OpenMoko phones WILL allow this! My unlocked Nokia E65 also allows this. As he said, it's a carrier issue, not a phone issue. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pocket Supercomputing?
On Jan 31, 2008 3:31 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *) So it seems you're talking about X. Don't you? (Well terse is relative) something like X is rather low-level. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
