Re: Group Sale in Spain

[David Samblas Martinez]

Hi methril, after some mail Jose Luis Perez Diez and I concluded that will be 
cheaper to buy the neo through pulster than importing directly from the USA.
So that's why we didn't make any mailing advice, or going forward with the 10 
pack approach.

Feel free to e-mail us to discuss about it or about any other issue. I will be 
glad (and sure Jose Luis too) to hear from you 

Regards


--- El jue, 3/7/08, Rafael Campos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> De: Rafael Campos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: Group Sale in Spain
> Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Fecha: jueves, 3 julio, 2008 12:07
> Hello to all the Spanish guys in the mailing list.
> 
> I received some mails from other guys interested in the
> FreeRunner asking
> questions about it.
> 
> The most popular is: it's going to be translated to
> Spanish?
> or the other one (in all the places): How much is the
> battery life? :D
> 
> I'm asking that question, because in the GroupSales in
> the wiki, we are some
> of us that want a FreeRunner and we didn't send e-mail
> to each other to
> asking the method, address, meeting for the receivement,
> the organization,
> and maybe with more people interested in the Freerunner,
> bought somo of
> thems and keep in Spain to cheaper taxes and delivery
> costs.
> 
> I Hope to see any response (from spanish guys)
> 
> Waiting your comments,
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Arne Zachlod]

I have testes the non-3G e-plus SIM card form my girlfirend and it 
works. i think the problem is with the 3G sim cards only, not with the 
normal 2,5G Standartd-cards. or with some of the 3G-cards. really, i 
have no idea. in germany it is now around 9:00 AM so i will go to a 
phone-shop now and ask there. i would have no problem with changing the 
network, but the problem is that i would have to wait for a half year 
until my actually contract get off (or what is the english word for 
that?) and thats absoulutely too long, because i don't want to change my 
telephone number. so the only option is finding the bug? or getting a 
working SIM Card.

Regards, Arne


Michael Kluge schrieb:
> Most probably. I am waiting for one too and will use it with a SIM card from 
> SIMYO. It's a prepaid card, they charge for 1MB data 24 Cent and use the 
> e-plus network. I guess a few people with a freerunner have such a card as 
> most other offers for data is more expensive.
>
> Michael
>
> Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 08:04:08 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>   
>> Do we have any other Freerunners who are e-plus customers in Germany?
>> Need to get some information here.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Arne Zachlod wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany.
>>>
>>> Arne
>>>
>>> Michael Shiloh schrieb:
>>>   
 Hi Arne,

 Who is your network provider?
 Where are you located?

 Michael?

 Arne Zachlod wrote:
 
> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card
> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get
> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only
> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards
> form same provider there is no problem.
> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file
> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is:
> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
>
> Thank you, Arne
>
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Michael Kluge]

Most probably. I am waiting for one too and will use it with a SIM card from 
SIMYO. It's a prepaid card, they charge for 1MB data 24 Cent and use the 
e-plus network. I guess a few people with a freerunner have such a card as 
most other offers for data is more expensive.

Michael

Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 08:04:08 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
> Do we have any other Freerunners who are e-plus customers in Germany?
> Need to get some information here.
>
> Michael
>
> Arne Zachlod wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany.
> >
> > Arne
> >
> > Michael Shiloh schrieb:
> >> Hi Arne,
> >>
> >> Who is your network provider?
> >> Where are you located?
> >>
> >> Michael?
> >>
> >> Arne Zachlod wrote:
> >>> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card
> >>> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get
> >>> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only
> >>> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards
> >>> form same provider there is no problem.
> >>> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
> >>> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file
> >>> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is:
> >>> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, Arne
> >>>
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How Slow Is Fast?

[Knight Walker]

Anyone who has paid attention to this mailing list over the last few
months has seen the "It doesn't have 3G, it's worthless" messages about
the FreeRunner. For me (And many, many others) having a fast,
power-hungry wireless pipe to the phone isn't as important as everything
else the FreeRunner brings to the table. But I do have a question: What
kind of thru-put can we expect to see from the GPRS radio in the
FreeRunner? Is it 2k/sec dial-up speed? I'm interested in any
information about this radio, theoretical as well as experiential (Now
that people are getting FreeRunners). I've got some grand plans in the
works, which may or may not ever come to fruition, but some of the
design considerations hinge on what kind of bandwidth the GPRS radio
provides.


Also, and I know this has been talked about before, but is the final
word that the GPRS can or cannot be active at the same time as the GSM
(Class B or whatever it's called)? An ongoing GPRS connection would be
really nice but if it can suspend/resume decently (Something like v.92
on modems if anyone remembers those).


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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Knight Walker]

On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:22 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote:
> hacking android to run was tried, without too much luck, as mentioned
> at http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973


Depending on how open Android is made, it, or parts of it may run on
OpenMoko. I'm not holding my breath though, I'm more excited by the
native software being written. Having an Android emulator or whatever
gets ported may be good eventually, depending on how good the Android
apps ever become.

> getting back to skype, i don't see why anyone would really want or
> need
> it.  there are plenty of other voip clients such as ekiga. gizmo may
> also be an option on the freerunner.  someone else was working on a
> voip
> client specifically for the FreeRunner, but I can't remember who at
> the
> moment.
> 

Most people don't want to run Skype, they just happen to run it because
everyone they talk to through it uses it. They don't really care other
than it makes calls cheap/free. Maybe they use Skype-in/out but from
what I've seen, most don't. Personally, I prefer a "normal" VoIP (SIP)
client, but I don't have a big group of Skype-using friends.


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Re: Is there any truth to the rumor

[Sameer Verma]

Bumbl wrote:
> Jon Pomeroy schrieb:
>   
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/
>>
>> Inquiring geek minds want to know... :)
>>
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Michael Shiloh]

Do we have any other Freerunners who are e-plus customers in Germany? 
Need to get some information here.

Michael

Arne Zachlod wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> Michael Shiloh schrieb:
>> Hi Arne,
>>
>> Who is your network provider?
>> Where are you located?
>>
>> Michael?
>>
>> Arne Zachlod wrote:
>>   
>>> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card 
>>> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get 
>>> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only 
>>> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards 
>>> form same provider there is no problem.
>>> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
>>> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file 
>>> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: 
>>> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
>>>
>>> Thank you, Arne
>>>
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Re: Alarm clock dials your contacts if you refuse to wake up

[Michael Shiloh]

Oh lord.

With an alarm clock like this, who needs enemies?

Brilliant.

M

nickd wrote:
> This needs attention for the FR ;-)
> 
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/tyrant-alarm-clock-dials-your-contacts-if-you-refuse-to-wake/
>  
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Re: Is there any truth to the rumor

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Jon Pomeroy schrieb:
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/
>
> Inquiring geek minds want to know... :)
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Michael Kluge]

What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing 
testing and will ship the devices later.

Michael

Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim:
> my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/
> got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far...
>
> "Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner"
>
> Marcel schrieb:
> > Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> >
> > Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's
> > getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been
> > initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this
> > is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
> >
> > -Marcel
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Betreff:
> > Re: Bestellung openmoko
> > Von:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster)
> > Datum:
> > 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200
> > An:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > An:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > Hallo,
> >
> > Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
> > Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
> > (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :)
> > )
> >
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Arne Zachlod]

Hi Michael,

my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany.

Arne


Michael Shiloh schrieb:
> Hi Arne,
>
> Who is your network provider?
> Where are you located?
>
> Michael?
>
> Arne Zachlod wrote:
>   
>> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card 
>> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get 
>> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only 
>> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards 
>> form same provider there is no problem.
>> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
>> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file 
>> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: 
>> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
>>
>> Thank you, Arne
>>
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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> >
> > they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a
> > pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but
> > the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky
> > that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary 
> > shims to
> > interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually 
> > hex-edit
> > the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc).
> > hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been 
> > done
> > so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it 
> > just
> > may be a LOT of work. 
> >

> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 12:27 +1000, nickd wrote:
> Could this hackery mean that Android is a possibility?
> 
> -Nick

hacking android to run was tried, without too much luck, as mentioned
at http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973

getting back to skype, i don't see why anyone would really want or need
it.  there are plenty of other voip clients such as ekiga. gizmo may
also be an option on the freerunner.  someone else was working on a voip
client specifically for the FreeRunner, but I can't remember who at the
moment.

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Re: Some questions

[Yogiz]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:03:59 +0100
Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> The credit card is burning my fingers... but a few queries first.
> 
> Can the user data on the phone be backed up (and restored) before 
> changing or upgrading firmware? I assume it's like all other phones
> I've had where everything is blitzed during an upgrade. I guess maybe
> it's just a few rsync commands, but I'd like to make sure :-)
Yeah, afaik the data is represented as in a typical Linux system, files
in a folder in your home folder. Just copy it somewhere and you've got
a backup.

> I see some chatter about A2DP Bluetooth support. I take it that it's 
> working fine now?
Also afaik, the hardware supports it but there hasn't been anything
done with the bluetooth stack yet. I might be wrong on this one but
there are things higher prioority then that for now. You can expect it
in a month by my rough estimate : ).

> Is there, or will there be, the ability to sync with iCal services or 
> XMLRPC services? And also, is syncing SMS data to a PC possible?
Yeah, why not. It's all software you know and someone is bound to do it.

> Uuurm, I'm sure there was something else to ask, but I've
> forgotten :-( All I really care about is my data, hence the
> replication and duplication of it
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Alarm clock dials your contacts if you refuse to wake up

[nickd]

This needs attention for the FR ;-)

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/tyrant-alarm-clock-dials-your-contacts-if-you-refuse-to-wake/
 


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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 05:07:53 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Am Do  3. Juli 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> > 
> > they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a
> > pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but
> > the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky
> > that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary
> > shims 
> to
> > interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually 
> hex-edit
> > the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc).
> > hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been 
> done
> > so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it 
> just
> > may be a LOT of work. 
> 
> Forget about editing skype-binaries - they're encrypted (p.8) and 
> hashsum-checked (p.14 of [1]).

that comes under the "it'll be a lot of work" banner. you'll have to reverse
their encryption and basically "hack" through it all. it can be done.. might
take a while though (while can be anywhere from a few days to a few thousand
years or more... who knows... :)). :)

> I tried to edit a simple alsa-device definition :-(, then some months later 
> I've seen this:
> [1]
> 
> 
> Should cure any interest in skype :D
> also see p.64 & p.114
> 
> /jOERG
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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Do  3. Juli 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
> 
> they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a
> pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but
> the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky
> that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims 
to
> interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually 
hex-edit
> the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc).
> hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been 
done
> so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it 
just
> may be a LOT of work. 

Forget about editing skype-binaries - they're encrypted (p.8) and 
hashsum-checked (p.14 of [1]).
I tried to edit a simple alsa-device definition :-(, then some months later 
I've seen this:
[1]

Should cure any interest in skype :D
also see p.64 & p.114

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[nickd]

Could this hackery mean that Android is a possibility?

-Nick

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
>
> they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a
> pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but
> the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky
> that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims 
> to
> interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit
> the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc).
> hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done
> so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just
> may be a LOT of work. 
>
>   
>> I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set
>> is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM
>> instruction set.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> babbled:
>>>
>>>   
 Hey guys,

 I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I
 
>>> don't
>>>   
 have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including
 watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than
 Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko
 consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo?
 
>>> you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the
>>> n8xx?
>>> skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone
>>> else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about
>>> being
>>> open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want
>>> to
>>> somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel
>>> free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work
>>> on
>>> OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously
>>> doubt,
>>> is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there
>>> are
>>> plenty of open alternatives. :)
>>>
>>>   
 Cheers,
 Forrest

 --
 Forrest Sheng Bao
 Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
 M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
 Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
 Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
 http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
 1-806-577-4592

 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender.
 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I
 
>>> can
>>>   
 also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German.
 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software.

 
>>> --
>>> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> -- 
>> Forrest Sheng Bao
>> Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
>> M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
>> Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
>> Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
>> http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
>> 1-806-577-4592
>>
>> Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender.
>> 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can
>> also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German.
>> 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software.
>>
>> 
>
>
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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a
pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but
the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky
that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to
interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit
the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc).
hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done
so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just
may be a LOT of work. 

> I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set
> is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM
> instruction set.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> >
> > > Hey guys,
> > >
> > > I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I
> > don't
> > > have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including
> > > watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than
> > > Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko
> > > consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo?
> >
> > you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the
> > n8xx?
> > skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone
> > else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about
> > being
> > open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want
> > to
> > somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel
> > free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work
> > on
> > OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously
> > doubt,
> > is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there
> > are
> > plenty of open alternatives. :)
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Forrest
> > >
> > > --
> > > Forrest Sheng Bao
> > > Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
> > > M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
> > > Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
> > > Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
> > > http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
> > > 1-806-577-4592
> > >
> > > Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender.
> > > 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I
> > can
> > > also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German.
> > > 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Sheng Bao
> Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
> M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
> Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
> Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
> http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
> 1-806-577-4592
> 
> Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender.
> 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can
> also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German.
> 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software.
> 


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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Do  3. Juli 2008 schrieb Greg Bonett:
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > ...there are plenty of open alternatives. :)
> 
> On that note, has anyone been able to run any open voip software running
> on the FR?

You might try to crosscompile twinklephone.com. When stripping out (by 
make-option) the KDE and QT stuff, and building a mere cmdline version, it 
should be pretty platform independent. commenting out the libboost-regex 
stuff will save you a lot of cumbersome library porting (heard building the 
whole Boost lib takes a scary xGB of diskspace :-o ) - I think it's only 
needed for the number-converting function, which you can easily live without 
for the first.

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Forrest Sheng Bao]

I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set
is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM
instruction set.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
>
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I
> don't
> > have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including
> > watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than
> > Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko
> > consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo?
>
> you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the
> n8xx?
> skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone
> else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about
> being
> open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want
> to
> somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel
> free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work
> on
> OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously
> doubt,
> is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there
> are
> plenty of open alternatives. :)
>
> > Cheers,
> > Forrest
> >
> > --
> > Forrest Sheng Bao
> > Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
> > M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
> > Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
> > Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
> > http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
> > 1-806-577-4592
> >
> > Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender.
> > 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I
> can
> > also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German.
> > 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software.
> >
>
>
> --
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>



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Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
1-806-577-4592

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Greg Bonett]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> ...there are plenty of open alternatives. :)

On that note, has anyone been able to run any open voip software running
on the FR?

-Greg

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 "Forrest Sheng Bao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:

> Hey guys,
> 
> I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't
> have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including
> watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than
> Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko
> consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo?

you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the n8xx?
skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone
else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about being
open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want to
somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel
free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work on
OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously doubt,
is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there are
plenty of open alternatives. :)

> Cheers,
> Forrest
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Sheng Bao
> Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
> M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
> Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
> Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
> http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
> 1-806-577-4592
> 
> Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender.
> 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can
> also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German.
> 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software.
> 


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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Tim]

my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/
got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far...

"Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner"

Marcel schrieb:
> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
>
> Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting 
> the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which 
> is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want 
> to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
>
> -Marcel
>   
>
> 
>
> Betreff:
> Re: Bestellung openmoko
> Von:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster)
> Datum:
> 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200
> An:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> An:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Hallo,
>
> Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
> Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
> (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) )
>
> Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
> Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
> direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
> Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (Di&Do 10-14 Uhr).
>
>
> Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen,
> Christoph Pulster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Forrest Sheng Bao]

Hey guys,

I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't
have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including
watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than
Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko
consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo?

Cheers,
Forrest

-- 
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Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science
M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building
Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA
http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu
1-806-577-4592

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Is there any truth to the rumor

[Jon Pomeroy]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/

Inquiring geek minds want to know... :)


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Re: freerunner in Taiwan

[Harry Tsai]

Ya, crazy busy..when will you be Taiwan?

Harry

xming ??:

Thanks,

Tried to contact Harry by email, but he's too busy :) I won't have
reliable internet connection in .tw (not to say none) so may I call
OM/FIC's office when I am in Taiwan?

Thanks

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

xming wrote:


Hi all,

I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a
freerunner there. Does
anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the
source :)
  

Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we
have any left.

Ask Harry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

  -Sean




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Group Sale: Los Angeles

[ian douglas]

A user named "Bill Sun" listed themselves on the GroupSales wiki page
for Los Angeles (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Los_Angeles)
but hasn't configured the wiki to allow me to contact them through the
wiki. If that person is still on the list here and can contact me,
that'd be great.

We also have one slot left (or two if we don't hear from Bill Sun) to
get an exact order of 10 Freerunners. I'll be sending an Email tonight
to coordinate the group and discuss payment options, etc.

Ian Douglas
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Re: Battery life & case design

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mi  2. Juli 2008 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. 
Nope, FR sets MAXIMUM USB current to either 0.1, 0.5, or 1A depending on 
what's detected to be connected. This doesn't mean it won't work with 600mA. 
Either you set FR to 500mA and lose ~100mA of power source, or you figure out 
what's going to happen when we push the limit to 1A and power source goes 
down with voltage at ~600mA until FR doesn't pull any more than that, might 
work too.
At least see wallcharger that CAN deliver 2A, but happily feeds FR with just 
1A.

> So yes, it will be 
> "powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer
> life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to
> need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like
> 250mA. It's 500 or 100.

You can set arbitrary USB current limits by software, overriding the built-in 
detection. So a current limit of 250mA or 630mA is perfectly feasible I 
think. See spec of PCF50633 PMU.


> 
> BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB...
YEP! You'll need a LDO-regulator for 5V. 6.5V will burn the device and give 
you a very expensive yet exclusive doorstopper.

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[ian douglas]

I've used my 3G card from AT&T just fine.

-id


Arne Zachlod wrote:
> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card 
> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get 
> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only 
> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards 
> form same provider there is no problem.
> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file 
> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: 
> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
> 
> Thank you, Arne
> 
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Re: Battery life & case design

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Di  1. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are
> interested in having more power?  Enough people to make it worth while some
> company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the 
> gta02 
> thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear
> cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and
> interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02.  Looking at
> it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack.

Don't forget there is WiFi and BT antenna on the backside, which you mustn't 
cover by a big battery.
GPS at top of device is no problem though, I think, as long as it has it's 5mm 
clearance to next metal (the ceramic zone).

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi Arne,

Who is your network provider?
Where are you located?

Michael?

Arne Zachlod wrote:
> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card 
> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get 
> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only 
> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards 
> form same provider there is no problem.
> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file 
> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: 
> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
> 
> Thank you, Arne
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Some questions

[Kyle Gordon]

Hey all,

The credit card is burning my fingers... but a few queries first.

Can the user data on the phone be backed up (and restored) before 
changing or upgrading firmware? I assume it's like all other phones I've 
had where everything is blitzed during an upgrade. I guess maybe it's 
just a few rsync commands, but I'd like to make sure :-)

I see some chatter about A2DP Bluetooth support. I take it that it's 
working fine now?

Is there, or will there be, the ability to sync with iCal services or 
XMLRPC services? And also, is syncing SMS data to a PC possible?

Uuurm, I'm sure there was something else to ask, but I've forgotten :-( 
All I really care about is my data, hence the replication and 
duplication of it

Cheers

Kyle

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Re: FYI: AT&T to sell iPhone without contract

[Joshua Broussard]

No... True... This only gets it cheaper... The hack is on you, but
this makes it legal to hack the device due to a special exception to
the DMCA allowing the hacking of phones to allow use with compatible
carriers after the original terms of contract were satisfied - In this
case the paying of the early termination fee.

Get your $599 iPhone for $430-ish and come over to T-Mobile - the water is fine.

On 7/2/08, Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:12:15 +0200, Joshua Broussard
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Get a 2 year and cancel it the 31st day. The $175 from this and $35 for
>> activation saves you $190 if you buy sans contract.
>>
>> Well a little less if you count the cost of service...
>>
>> If you must have the iPhone, get it in the way that you will get less
>> screwed...
>
> This still won't get the phone unlocked.
>
>
>
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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2008 00:31:21 schrieb Tim Knapp:
> On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:19 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > Thanks for the experiment, Marc!
> >
> > Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course.
> >
> > With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the
> > cpufreq patches, I'd expect even more.
>
> Does this mean we can expect similar battery life gains from the 'other'
> images?

For now, yes, I would expect so, since we are not doing any special things in 
the FSO-image -- yet :)

(After the next couple of feature-release milestones, we're going to take 
going to strip init down to only run services that are actually in use, which 
should also have a nice impact on battery live).

-- 
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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Tim Knapp]

Hi Michael,

On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:19 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Thanks for the experiment, Marc!
> 
> Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course.
> 
> With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq 
> patches, I'd expect even more.

Does this mean we can expect similar battery life gains from the 'other'
images?

Thanks again,
Tim

> 


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Group sale in Poland.

[Lech Karol Pawłaszek]

It's the last call to sign in! If you're from Poland and want a 
FreeRunner - join us at http://www.kumulator.pl/show/10

Right now we're going to order ~60 phones and the order will be placed 
(most probably) at Thursday (yes - that means today!)!

:-) Hurry up!

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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Thanks for the experiment, Marc!

Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course.

With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq 
patches, I'd expect even more.

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Group Sale in Spain

[Rafael Campos]

Hello to all the Spanish guys in the mailing list.

I received some mails from other guys interested in the FreeRunner asking
questions about it.

The most popular is: it's going to be translated to Spanish?
or the other one (in all the places): How much is the battery life? :D

I'm asking that question, because in the GroupSales in the wiki, we are some
of us that want a FreeRunner and we didn't send e-mail to each other to
asking the method, address, meeting for the receivement, the organization,
and maybe with more people interested in the Freerunner, bought somo of
thems and keep in Spain to cheaper taxes and delivery costs.

I Hope to see any response (from spanish guys)

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Chris Wright]

2008/7/2 Rodolphe Ortalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Probably not so much effort. But the real challenge imo is:
>  - the UI and the communication between that UI and the backend
> (scientific-oriented) software
>  - the wise specification of that backend (numerical vs. symbolic vs.
> both, reusing existing software vs. new thing, simple vs. complex)

There's no reason that the back end has to run on the Freerunner in
normal operation. Simpler operations would, since it'd be quicker than
going over the network; but heavy number crunching on a phone is
unnecessary.

> Personnally, I thought I would be targeting a brand new implementation
> of some scientific calculator targetted at second-grade students; but
> given the wonderful (and often much more ambitious) software already
> existing, I have been wondering for several months if that's not
> re-inventing the wheel (aka as a dead-end project).

Porting is better than reimplementing, naturally.

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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Tim Knapp]

Hi Marc,

This is great news! Just to confirm the latest with the FSO image, when
I looked at the youtube video demo'ing the interface last it was only
capable of making/receiving calls - is this still the case?

Thanks,
Tim

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 23:42 +0200, Marc Bantle wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just answered a call on my neo1973 after 21 hours of
> running FSO.  I had the neo in suspend mode most of
> the time. From hour 13 on I woke the neo up hourly
> by calling from land line and put it back into suspend
> manually (double press power button) after hanging
> up on the caller side without answering the call.
> There where 3.5V left in the battery after the last
> call (measured by multimeter on the battery).
> 
> Compared to what I was used to so far this is an
> amazing improvement. Congratulations, FSO
> developers, for the excellent work !
> 
> Up till now I was believing a hardware bug was
> responsible for fast battery drainage and keeping
> GTA01 from delivering an acceptable uptime.
> 
> Cheers, Marc
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freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Arne Zachlod]

Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card 
doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get 
the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only 
the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards 
form same provider there is no problem.
and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file 
doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is: 
does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?

Thank you, Arne


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21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Marc Bantle]

Hi all,

I just answered a call on my neo1973 after 21 hours of
running FSO.  I had the neo in suspend mode most of
the time. From hour 13 on I woke the neo up hourly
by calling from land line and put it back into suspend
manually (double press power button) after hanging
up on the caller side without answering the call.
There where 3.5V left in the battery after the last
call (measured by multimeter on the battery).

Compared to what I was used to so far this is an
amazing improvement. Congratulations, FSO
developers, for the excellent work !

Up till now I was believing a hardware bug was
responsible for fast battery drainage and keeping
GTA01 from delivering an acceptable uptime.

Cheers, Marc

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Re: openmoko availability from the online store, set opening time if not date?

[Chris Wright]

2008/7/2 Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Maybe you guys could set a time that the web store will open, on
> whatever day it does open?  E.g. if it's not open by 10am, it's not
> going to open that day.
>
> That could give everybody a fair shot of getting their orders asap.
>
> Matt

Or at least "don't bother checking for the next ten hours/three
days/whatever". Information ish good.

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Re: Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies

[simarillion]

Thank you arne and Alastair,


I got it.
I didn't know that I can flash the NAND when beeing in NOR.


All the best,
Michael




On Wednesday 02 July 2008 15:35:55 arne anka wrote:
> > written: "Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner
> > in NOR
> > Flash ."
> > But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can
> > not
> > be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki?
>
> still got my om, but anyway ...
> i think what it means is the following:
> while booting into NAND you are accessing the area which is to be flashed
> -- thus flashing while in NAND will remove the ground under your feet.
> when in NOR every area possibly to be flashed is guaranteed to be free of
> any other access than the flash utility.
> sink of it like sawing off a branch while sitting on a tree -- where would
> you like to sit?
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Re: openmoko availability from the online store

[Rob Wood]

If any of you are not buying from TrueBox ONLY because we cannot deliver 
to an alternate address can you email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let me know.


Rob


Robin O'Leary wrote:

On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:11:04PM +0100, Mark Sterling wrote:
  

... the UK distributor truebox state they will
only send to the card holders address.  Which is all fair enough in
terms of combating fraud.  Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my
work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery.



You should have a word with your credit card company and ask them to
add your work address as an additional AVS address.  I've done this
successfully with all my cards, though I've sometimes had to insist it
was possible when the first person at the call centre didn't know how.

Incidentally, if this article is to be believed, the 'address' check is
surprisingly weak: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7448187.stm

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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Diego Fdez.]

My order and payment have been confirmed. It will be from 2nd batch :(

El mié, 02-07-2008 a las 18:42 +0200, Atilla Filiz escribió:
> It seems Pulster is really busy, sorting orders. It is also a
> probability that he's not going to give any response before he
> actually has more FRs to ship. I put an order on 25th of June and so
> far only thing I have is an automatic reply. Patience, my friend.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> What's the reason? the delay?
> I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster
> too.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, July 2, 2008 17:19, Roland Häder wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote:
> >> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> > Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the
> reason...
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Nokia internet tablet tech talk Fwd: ACCU: Wednesday, July 9 - Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon, Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform

[Ajit Natarajan]

May be useful for those in the San Francisco Bay Area

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:52:58 -0700
From: Ali Cehreli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: ACCU: Wednesday, July 9 - Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon,
Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform
  To: Ali Cehreli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

When:  Wednesday, July 9, 2008
Topic: Architectural introduction to Nokia's Maemo platform
Speakers:  Tapio Tolvanen and Victor Brilon
Time:  6:30pm doors open
  7:00pm meeting begins
Where: Symantec
  VCAFE building
  350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road)
  Mountain View, CA 94043
Map:   
Directions: VCAFE is accessible from the semicircular courtyard
between Symantec buildings 
Cost:  Free
More Info: 

In this presentation, you will learn about the Nokia Internet tablets
both from a hardware and software perspective. Explore the devices,
applications and communities, hear the features and study the
architecture of the operating system and hardware configuration. Also
discover the essentials of the application development platform,
ranging from application frameworks to development tools.

Tapio Tolvanen is currently a Technology Manager for Linux Computers
in Nokia. He has also been defining architectures and guiding the
development of several applications creating engaging and compelling
Internet Experience on Nokia's Linux platform - Maemo. Prior to this,
Tapio has been developing several applications and products on Nokia's
platforms, including Series 40, S60 and Maemo in Europe, Asia and the
U.S.A.

Victor Brilon is a Senior Product Manager working with Linux devices
in Nokia. He is responsible for strategic technology collaborative
efforts on the Linux platform with external partners. Victor has over
15 years of experience in working with emerging technologies,
including wireless applications and Open Source software. Previous to
Nokia, he was an entrepreneur and the co-founder of the largest
wireless developer Web property. Earlier, Victor was a Senior
Consultant Systems Engineer at EDS, where he led an engineering team
in developing innovative Internet-based technologies and practices.

 Upcoming ACCU talks -

Wednesday, August 13, 2008
Speaker TBA
Topic TBA

Wednesday, September 10, 2008
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Re: freerunner in Taiwan

[xming]

Thanks,

Tried to contact Harry by email, but he's too busy :) I won't have
reliable internet connection in .tw (not to say none) so may I call
OM/FIC's office when I am in Taiwan?

Thanks

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> xming wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a
>> freerunner there. Does
>> anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the
>> source :)
>
> Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we
> have any left.
>
> Ask Harry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>
>   -Sean
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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Esben Stien]

Rodolphe Ortalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> do you think a student should have raw access to
> Matlab+Mathematica+Octave
> +any-other-thing-you-can-thinkof 

I'm an engineering student and I've been looking everywhere for a
calculator with a bigger screen and better dot pitch with colors and
being able to tilt the screen or attach a usb screen so I don't have
to lean forward and get neck injuries.

There is a free project out there aiming to produce a free hardware
calculator. The big problem is that even if I found one, I might not
be able to use it, because a calculator has to be certified by the
state.

It's really not good to use one calculator for working, then have to
use a normal crappy calculator for exams.

It's a problem to think of, if we're putting r and octave into a
device marketed as a calculator.

There's definitely a market, though, cause all calculators on the
market are so damn crappy, it's a joke.

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Re: Let us impact the material world

[Knight Walker]

On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 20:54 +0800, xiangfu wrote: 
> may be can use SMS control the remote NEO like send
> "#neo_command shutdown -h now "
> then the neo poweroff : )

Something like this has been floating around the mailing list for months
(or more) now. Personally, I'm hoping that the SMS stack in FSO will
allow plugins to filter incoming SMS messages and provide a secure(ish)
functionality for something like this.

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Re: Let us impact the material world

[Knight Walker]

On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:24 -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote: 
> Doesn't IM requiere permanent connection? For status updates, etc?

Not necessarily. A lot of us used IM back in the old dial-up days.

I've done a lot of thinking on this subject over the last several years
and tried several systems with my existing phone and GPRS connection.

If the IM protocol in use (I'm thinking XMPP) supports offline storage,
distributed servers, and connection encryption, and preferably a robust
message delivery system (e.g. requiring an ack for messages sent) then
it should be usable, provided the phone has a data connection. It
could/would shorten battery runtime keeping the GPRS up all the time,
but a lot of that depends on other power-saving in the device.

If the user has very limited data connection (e.g. only WWW (Port 80),
and MAIL (Ports 25, 110, 143, 587, 993) then a proxy of some kind would
be necessary. The proxy would need to maintain the user's login to the
IM network and provide storage of messages sent by the client program
(running on the phone).

For those with no data connections, something involving SMS (And
eventually MMS if/when it's ever ported) would need to be created. A lot
of provider IM programs (At least the ones I've used) rely on SMS to
transport messages to/from the phone.

> I'd like to know what you think about two things:
> 
> 1) We know email is broken (at least unsafe and prone to spam)
> 2) What is the best alternative for this scenario? Is it really IM?
> 3) Are there other (IP-based) protocolos suitable for delivering the
> encrypted messages?

Honestly, for the usage pattern I reckon most people will use (based on
my existing usage of SMS and the various people who I correspond with),
SMS is just phone-based IM, so extending real IM to the phone,
especially with an extensible format like XMPP can be a real boon.
E-mail is still (IMHO) a bit heavy (More than 1k in headers to deliver a
one-line message).

I don't remember right now if XMPP provides for a compressed transport,
but I do know that by default it encrypts the connection.

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RE: Battery life & case design

[Knight Walker]

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 00:04 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: 
> El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió:
> > A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of
> > an external battery pack
> 
> What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ?
> 
> The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct
> sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ?

Personally, I'll be using a Solio Hybrid Charger
(http://www.solio.com/charger/) with a Mini-USB tip and a max output of
[EMAIL PROTECTED], so it should be able to put out the 500mA the Neo wants for 
fast
charge (I know it can output 500mA because that's what the Blackberry
8830 wants and I have successfully charged one). Even the Hybrid 1000
can output 1.2A but I'm not sure it has enough capacity to fully charge
a FreeRunner).

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Re: Which image

[Knight Walker]

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 12:16 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: 
> The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users?  
> Without some stability on this image issue, 3rd-party developers are  
> gonna get screwed.  There may well be a market for new apps on  
> OpenMoko; but not if there is no way we developers can reliably target  
> bundles for the phone.

Depending on exactly what you need, you should be able to develop in
just about anything you want. The Openmoko devs have been vocal about
the "normal" Moko firmware having Qt, GTK+, and EFL libraries on it, as
well as at LEAST Python as a scripting language (I'm sure there will be
more, though I don't know exactly which ones will be "stock").

If your application needs telephone facilities, or to communicate with
the specialized hardware on a FreeRunner or other Moko device, you
should target the FSO D-Bus specs (Though those are still in flux).

As long as your software is packaged in the OPKG format (Like all Moko
software should be), then you should be able to add a Dependency on just
about any other package provided in an OpenMoko directory (Though if
you're targeting the widest audience, you should probably stick to the
main repo(s)).

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Re: Battery life & case design

[George Brooke]

These kind of devices produce that voltage in direct sunlight - but
only if there is no load connected (open circuit voltage) - the
connection to the device will pull the voltage down to circ. 5V. This
is the same as with the larger panels - a 12V panel will produce 20V
open circuit.

solar.george

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:34:05 +0200
"Francesco Cat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be
> "powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer
> life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to
> need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like
> 250mA. It's 500 or 100.
> 
> BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a
> USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió:
> >> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also
> >> thought of an external battery pack
> >
> > What about this:
> > http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ?
> >
> > The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct
> > sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ?
> >
> >
> >> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM
> >> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> >> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design
> >>
> >> Mikko Rauhala wrote:
> >> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti:
> >> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will
> >> >> be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy
> >> >> the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone
> >> >> would be heavy).
> >> >
> >> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was
> >> > suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a
> >> > large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism
> >> > misses the point entirely.
> >> >
> >> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending
> >> > on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for
> >> > largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for
> >> > getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful
> >> > stuff.
> >> >
> >> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting
> >> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would
> >> > like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq
> >> > and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting.   For instance, I
> >> was pretty
> >> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its
> >> called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and
> >> where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include
> >> WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it
> >> can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last
> >> with GPS and WIFI turned on??  kind of makes the idea a no go.
> >> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to
> >> make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which
> >> you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most
> >> other if all other phones do not do
> >>
> >> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a
> >> new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery
> >> in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that.
> >> I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software
> >> ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be
> >> switched on at all times.
> >>
> >> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a
> >> platform for my various codings.  My old mobile was a P.O.S so I
> >> started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine
> >> with some tweaks).  However, already I have the habbit of getting
> >> to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus
> >> whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone
> >> behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Esben Stien]

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> Patience, my friend.

I have patience, but not when getting an automated response in
frigging German. I'm inches away from ordering somewhere else. 

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Rodolphe Ortalo]

Thanks for the links.

I agree the main challenge is the UI.
 I think there is another challenge in defining the limits of the target
implementation and the (not-too-wrong) selection of the appropriate
scientific software to reuse.

There is plenty of existing implementations to get inspiration from for
the UI (all the real scientific calculators everyone used during his own
studies); but none of these had the computing power and available
mathematical software that modern Unix systems can have readily
available. Is it possible (realistic) to have an UI flexible enough to
take advantage of all these opportunities?

 Ah, if only the Freerunner was a closed computing device with
only one supplier of computational software... 


Well, maybe we could ask to some real mathematician: do you think a
student should have raw access to Matlab+Mathematica+Octave
+any-other-thing-you-can-thinkof or should be given a more uniform shell
for scientific computations (with its inherent limitations)?

Professors would probably say: different software (for different
students and different grades). But well, I would certainly try to avoid
implementing several UIs...

 Sadly, I am both an engineer and a teacher. Argh...


Rodolphe


Le mercredi 02 juillet 2008 à 12:41 +0200, Jose Manrique Lopez de la
Fuente a écrit :
> That's the reason I was posting about XCAS[1], a Computer Algebra
> System that runs in ARM devices, and the main developer know about
> programming for restricted resources devices (calculators).
> 
> The main challenge is the User Interface (hardware and software):
> - Hardware: keypad?
> - Software: It must be easy and fast for first time users
> 
> There are many other options[2],
> 
> [1] http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac.html
> [2] http://code.google.com/p/sympy/
> 
> 2008/7/1, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Mathematica would be cool
> >
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolphe Ortalo
> >  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:16 AM
> >  To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> >  Subject: RE: More HW from OpenMoko
> >
> >  Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
> >  I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-) (In fact,
> >  you sort of have already the rpn calculator via "dc".)
> >
> >  Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current
> >  "simple" calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the
> >  fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and
> >  porting an existing software).
> >
> >  Rodolphe
> >
> >
> >  Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit :
> >  > RPN please.
> >  >
> >  > Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP
> >  > prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose
> >  > Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
> >  > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM
> >  > To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> >  > Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko
> >  >
> >  > Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator?
> >  >
> >  > 2008/6/28, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  > > On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote:
> >  > >> Hi,
> >  > >> Mickey writes: "Openmoko is selling hardware products."
> >  > >>
> >  > >> Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones?
> >  > >
> >  > > That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time
> >  > > ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline
> >  > >
> >  > >> I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would
> >  > >> likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router,
> >  > >> a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld.
> >  > >
> >  > > I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already
> >  > > free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have
> >  > > hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner:
> >  > >
> >  > > Routers - wireless or not:
> >  > > PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik
> >  > > RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html
> >  > >
> >  > > SOHO NAS:
> >  > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html
> >  > >
> >  > > Gaming handheld:
> >  > > Pandora
> >  > >
> >  > > Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a
> >  > > better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice.
> >  > >
> >  > > The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a
> >  > > modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the
> >  > > Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might
> >  > > just be
> >  > close enough...
> >  > >
> >  > > I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby,
> >  > > available outside the US.
> > 

Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Roland Häder]

On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote:
> What's the reason? the delay?
Nope. That would be fine. Low money. :(

> I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too.

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Rodolphe Ortalo]

Probably not so much effort. But the real challenge imo is:
 - the UI and the communication between that UI and the backend
(scientific-oriented) software
 - the wise specification of that backend (numerical vs. symbolic vs.
both, reusing existing software vs. new thing, simple vs. complex)

Personnally, I thought I would be targeting a brand new implementation
of some scientific calculator targetted at second-grade students; but
given the wonderful (and often much more ambitious) software already
existing, I have been wondering for several months if that's not
re-inventing the wheel (aka as a dead-end project).

Rodolphe

Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 22:28 +0200, Francesco Cat a écrit :
> How much would a Octave port take??? :)
> 
> 2008/7/1 Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Rodolphe Ortalo:
> >>
> >> Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
> >> I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-)
> >
> > The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780
> > (double precision).   The initial version of Mathematica was developed
> > on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than
> > that machine in floating point.   It was also rare to run across an
> > 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM.
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> > Ken Young
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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Rodolphe Ortalo]

Maybe you have to take into account the fact that computations could
probably run for much longer on the 11/780 than what could be possible
on a battery-powered FreeRunner.

But well, as far as I remember, it was also pretty difficult to get the
the Vax 11/780 into one's pocket. ;-)

Rodolphe

Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 16:20 -0400, Ken Young a écrit :
> Rodolphe Ortalo:
> >
> > Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
> > I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-)
> 
> The neo1973 has ~8 times the floating point performance of a VAX 11/780
> (double precision).   The initial version of Mathematica was developed
> on a VAX 11/750 - the Freerunner should be about 20 times faster than
> that machine in floating point.   It was also rare to run across an
> 11/750 with more than 4 MByte of RAM.
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Re: openmoko availability from the online store

[Robin O'Leary]

On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:11:04PM +0100, Mark Sterling wrote:
> ... the UK distributor truebox state they will
> only send to the card holders address.  Which is all fair enough in
> terms of combating fraud.  Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my
> work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery.

You should have a word with your credit card company and ask them to
add your work address as an additional AVS address.  I've done this
successfully with all my cards, though I've sometimes had to insist it
was possible when the first person at the call centre didn't know how.

Incidentally, if this article is to be believed, the 'address' check is
surprisingly weak: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7448187.stm

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RE: openmoko availability from the online store, set opening time if not date?

[Crane, Matthew]

Maybe you guys could set a time that the web store will open, on
whatever day it does open?  E.g. if it's not open by 10am, it's not
going to open that day.

That could give everybody a fair shot of getting their orders asap.

Matt


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Mark Sterling wrote:
> Hi There,
> 
> First off: Congratulations to the folk who've made openmoko happen and
> thank you very much :-D
> 
> I've been wanting one of these devices for a very long time, and now
> that they are here and among us the time has arrived to purchase one.
> Only there's a slight snag, the UK distributor truebox state they will
> only send to the card holders address.  Which is all fair enough in
> terms of combating fraud.  Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my
> work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery.
> 
> So, in a nutshell, is there any indication as to when the openmoko.com
> store will be available for order taking?

Very soon. We don't want to open our store until FreeRunners are _in_ 
the warehouse. Right now they are either on a plane or in customs.

Seriously close. Harry and Steve will update you all soon with exact 
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Atilla Filiz]

It seems Pulster is really busy, sorting orders. It is also a probability
that he's not going to give any response before he actually has more FRs to
ship. I put an order on 25th of June and so far only thing I have is an
automatic reply. Patience, my friend.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> What's the reason? the delay?
> I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too.
>
>
> On Wed, July 2, 2008 17:19, Roland Häder wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote:
> >> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> > Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason...
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Diego Fdez . Durán]

What's the reason? the delay?
I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too.


On Wed, July 2, 2008 17:19, Roland Häder wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote:
>> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason...
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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko @ pulster

[alexander schmidt]

he told me too,...

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xxxpx6.png

I´m still waiting for this message!


Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"

Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's  
getting
the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated  
[which
is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I  
want

to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)

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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Roland Häder]

On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote:
> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason...


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Re: openmoko availability from the online store

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

Mark Sterling wrote:
> Hi There,
> 
> First off: Congratulations to the folk who've made openmoko happen and
> thank you very much :-D
> 
> I've been wanting one of these devices for a very long time, and now
> that they are here and among us the time has arrived to purchase one.
> Only there's a slight snag, the UK distributor truebox state they will
> only send to the card holders address.  Which is all fair enough in
> terms of combating fraud.  Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my
> work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery.
> 
> So, in a nutshell, is there any indication as to when the openmoko.com
> store will be available for order taking?

Very soon. We don't want to open our store until FreeRunners are _in_ 
the warehouse. Right now they are either on a plane or in customs.

Seriously close. Harry and Steve will update you all soon with exact 
details.

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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Marcel de Jong]

Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"
> 
> Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting 
> the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which 
> is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want 
> to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)
> 
> -Marcel
> 
> 

Please, do not do that again. I nearly had a heart attack. I'm still waiting for
a response that Pulster is going to process my order of the Neo Freerunner, (I'm
most likely in the batch of July 27th) and I saw your message in the preview
gmail window on netvibes, and I nearly died there, thinking that they had
started to process my order, and were about to ship. :)

Sadly, I still have to wait. :) But don't scare me like that anymore, please? 
:) 


Marcel de Jong, 
The Netherlands

(in case you don't know my style of humour, this reply is meant in jest)


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Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

[Marcel]

Short translation: "Your packet has begun its trip today!"

Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting 
the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which 
is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want 
to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :)

-Marcel
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Hallo,

Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs !
(ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) )

Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (Di&Do 10-14 Uhr).


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openmoko availability from the online store

[Mark Sterling]

Hi There,

First off: Congratulations to the folk who've made openmoko happen and
thank you very much :-D

I've been wanting one of these devices for a very long time, and now
that they are here and among us the time has arrived to purchase one.
Only there's a slight snag, the UK distributor truebox state they will
only send to the card holders address.  Which is all fair enough in
terms of combating fraud.  Alas I'll need to get one delivered to my
work address as I'm unlikely to be at home for a delivery.

So, in a nutshell, is there any indication as to when the openmoko.com
store will be available for order taking?

Cheers and well done to all involved.

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Re: Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies

[arne anka]

> written: "Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner  
> in NOR
> Flash ."
> But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can  
> not
> be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki?

still got my om, but anyway ...
i think what it means is the following:
while booting into NAND you are accessing the area which is to be flashed  
-- thus flashing while in NAND will remove the ground under your feet.
when in NOR every area possibly to be flashed is guaranteed to be free of  
any other access than the flash utility.
sink of it like sawing off a branch while sitting on a tree -- where would  
you like to sit?

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Re: Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies

[Alastair Johnson]

simarillion wrote:
> Hi together,
> 
> I'm a little bit confused. I just received my Freerunner one hour ago. 
> Now I want to try the several images.
> 
> In the wiki 
> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner) 
> is written: "Before you execute the command , please log in Neo 
> FreeRunner in NOR Flash ."
> But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can 
> not be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki?

This is not a mistake. Follow the instructions on the wiki and it will work.

The Freerunner has 2 copies of uBoot, one in NAND and one in NOR. The 
one in NOR can't be overwritten without the debug board, while the one 
in NAND can be overwritten using dfu-util. If you manage to overwrite 
the NAND uBoot with a non-working version you can still use the NOR 
version to flash a working uBoot into NAND. This is what the 
instructions mean when they talk about it being for emergencies. I don't 
think it makes any difference whether you use the NAND or NOR version 
for flashing kernel and rootfs, but so far I have always used the NOR 
version and it has always worked.

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Re: Frerunner fax capability

[prishelec]

Great, thank you!
As long as limitation is software based I don't care.
The main thing it's possible.

On 7/2/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 02 Juli 2008 11:33:18 schrieb Leonti Bielski:
>> Is freerunner capable of sending and receiving faxes?
>
> Out of the box, no. This is just a software limitation that could be fixed.
>
>> Does the gsm
>> chip has to have fax capability or is it just the software?
>
> Yes, TI-Calypso is a FAX class device:
>
> at+gcap?
> +GCAP: +CGSM,+FCLASS
>
> OK
> at+fclass=?
> 0,2.0,8
>
> OK
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Flashing Neo Freerunner for Dummies

[simarillion]

Hi together,


I'm a little bit confused. I just received my Freerunner one hour ago. Now I 
want to try the several images. 


In the wiki 
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner) is 
written: "Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner in NOR 
Flash ."
But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can not 
be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki?


Greets
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Re: Frerunner fax capability

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Mittwoch 02 Juli 2008 11:33:18 schrieb Leonti Bielski:
> Is freerunner capable of sending and receiving faxes?

Out of the box, no. This is just a software limitation that could be fixed.

> Does the gsm 
> chip has to have fax capability or is it just the software?

Yes, TI-Calypso is a FAX class device:

at+gcap?
+GCAP: +CGSM,+FCLASS

OK
at+fclass=?
0,2.0,8

OK

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Re: More HW from OpenMoko

[Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente]

That's the reason I was posting about XCAS[1], a Computer Algebra
System that runs in ARM devices, and the main developer know about
programming for restricted resources devices (calculators).

The main challenge is the User Interface (hardware and software):
- Hardware: keypad?
- Software: It must be easy and fast for first time users

There are many other options[2],

[1] http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac.html
[2] http://code.google.com/p/sympy/

2008/7/1, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Mathematica would be cool
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolphe Ortalo
>  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:16 AM
>  To: community@lists.openmoko.org
>  Subject: RE: More HW from OpenMoko
>
>  Given the freerunner hw, you can certainly do much better than that!
>  I would expect something like "mathematica in your pocket"... ;-) (In fact,
>  you sort of have already the rpn calculator via "dc".)
>
>  Hey, that's what I wanted as a second project after doing the current
>  "simple" calculator. But I was short of time for trying to do it (plus the
>  fact that it is not easy do decide between doing something entirely new and
>  porting an existing software).
>
>  Rodolphe
>
>
>  Le samedi 28 juin 2008 à 11:36 -0700, steve a écrit :
>  > RPN please.
>  >
>  > Actually it would be cool to do retro versions of the old HP
>  > prgrammable calcs ( 12 etc etc) Hehe, like donkey kong on the PC.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose
>  > Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
>  > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:39 AM
>  > To: List for Openmoko community discussion
>  > Subject: Re: More HW from OpenMoko
>  >
>  > Why not a powerful handeld graphic calculator?
>  >
>  > 2008/6/28, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  > > On Saturday 28 June 2008, Robert Schuster wrote:
>  > >> Hi,
>  > >> Mickey writes: "Openmoko is selling hardware products."
>  > >>
>  > >> Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones?
>  > >
>  > > That's all they've sold direct so far, but it was said a long time
>  > > ago that non-phone products may be in the pipeline
>  > >
>  > >> I like Linux-based devices that are free as in freedom. So I would
>  > >> likely also buy a device from OpenMoko if it is a wireless router,
>  > >> a SOHO NAS (think NSLU2), a PDA or perhaps a gaming handheld.
>  > >
>  > > I would prefer Openmoko to fill holes where there aren't already
>  > > free devices available. Most of the areas you mention already have
>  > > hardware available that's as open as the Neo1973 and Freerunner:
>  > >
>  > > Routers - wireless or not:
>  > > PC Engines ALIX series - http://www.pcengines.ch/ MicroTik
>  > > RouterBOARDs - http://www.routerboard.com/comparison.html
>  > >
>  > > SOHO NAS:
>  > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5637467946.html
>  > >
>  > > Gaming handheld:
>  > > Pandora
>  > >
>  > > Then there's the Neuros OSD which really needs a successor with a
>  > > better output than composite video, but is otherwise rather nice.
>  > >
>  > > The PDA is one area there's a gap I would like filling. I want a
>  > > modern incarnation of the Psion 5. I'll just have to see how the
>  > > Freerunner plus a bluetooth keyboard do as a replacement. It might
>  > > just be
>  > close enough...
>  > >
>  > > I would also like a less power-hungry version of the Chumby,
>  > > available outside the US.
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Re: Which image

[arne anka]

> The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users?

fso, as i understand it. it offers a framework separating gui from  
internals and is supposed to be gui toolkit agnostic, thus allowing to  
coexist qt, gtk, e?? and whatever toolkits for guis will become available.



> Without some stability on this image issue, 3rd-party developers are
> gonna get screwed.  There may well be a market for new apps on
> OpenMoko; but not if there is no way we developers can reliably target
> bundles for the phone.

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Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

[Javi Roman]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Tomas Gustavsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I do understand if you can't/won't tell us but I have to ask anyway,
> how many Freerunners were in the first batch?
>
> 2008/7/2 Christoph Pulster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hallo
> >
> > many thanks for your big interest in our Freerunner 299 eur offer.
> > We started sales Friday 9:00 and 10:30 all the units from our first
> > batch are sold out. I really have to excuse myself to all the persons
> > who made a order but did not get any reply until yet, sorry !
> > You can be sure I will work 24h at the moment to come back to each
> > of you with a confirmation of your order with delivery date etc.
> >
> > We get new units 07/25/2008 (25.July). All customers who already made a
> > order will get a unit from this batch, promised !
> > Again sorry and thanks.
> >
> > Chris
> > www.pulster.eu
> > Openmokoshop.eu
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>
I cannot understand this kind of sale, I feel stress, it looks like a
competition.  When is the real "mass market" available.

Regards.

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Re: Which image

[Jay Vaughan]

> The base software is just that. Base software. It will function as an
> everyday phone with dialer,
> SMS, and contacts. So, you can take that base and build on it, by  
> yourself
> or with others. Or, come
> August timeframe you can get the Beta release of ASU.
> FSO is a framework or middleware if you like.



The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users?  
Without some stability on this image issue, 3rd-party developers are  
gonna get screwed.  There may well be a market for new apps on  
OpenMoko; but not if there is no way we developers can reliably target  
bundles for the phone.

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Re: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity

[Jay Vaughan]

> Maybe when I get time I'll take a freerunner up to my friends at Emu  
> and see
> what ideas they come up with.


Do it!  See if they'll port a few of their apps to it for us .. ;)

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Re: Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?

[Rob Wood]

We at TrueBox (in the UK) are expecting a batch of Freerunners in on the 
18th July and are taking orders now.


If anyone is interested the shop is at:

https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8

Best regards,

Rob


Marcel wrote:
Seems like this is true. There must have been placed plenty of orders, I was 
(imho) really quick but still got no confirmation for any date... :(


-Marcel

Am Dienstag 01 Juli 2008 14:10:42 schrieb Christ van Willegen:
  

Does that mean that if I didn't get an e-mail form Pulster stating
that it will be shipped on the 5th, I get it the 25th (if not later)?

Christ van Willegen

On 6/30/08, Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Afaik all the freerunners which came to Europe with the first shipment
are selled out.

Jay Vaughan schrieb:
  

Hi all,

I've just tried to place an order for one Freerunner with Pulster.eu,
and discovered there aren't any left?  So where do I buy one from in
Europe?

Alternatively, I think I can do a 10-pack deal .. between my workplace
(THALES) and the playground (MetaLab.at), I for sure can come up with
9 other interested parties.  How do I do this?  Please advise.

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Frerunner fax capability

[Leonti Bielski]

Hi all!
Is freerunner capable of sending and receiving faxes? Does the gsm
chip has to have fax capability or is it just the software?
Leonti

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Re: Number of shipped devices

[nickd]

Yeah it would be interesting to get these stats and how they related to 
the group guesstimation we did a few months ago. I can't seem to find 
the link...

Nick

W. B. Kranendonk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? 
>
> Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered 
> by Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply 
> line up.
>
> Any comments?
>
>
> Boudewijn
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Number of shipped devices

[W. B. Kranendonk]

Hi all,

Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? 

Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered by 
Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply line 
up.

Any comments?


Boudewijn


  

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Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

[Tomas Gustavsson]

I do understand if you can't/won't tell us but I have to ask anyway,
how many Freerunners were in the first batch?

2008/7/2 Christoph Pulster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hallo
>
> many thanks for your big interest in our Freerunner 299 eur offer.
> We started sales Friday 9:00 and 10:30 all the units from our first
> batch are sold out. I really have to excuse myself to all the persons
> who made a order but did not get any reply until yet, sorry !
> You can be sure I will work 24h at the moment to come back to each
> of you with a confirmation of your order with delivery date etc.
>
> We get new units 07/25/2008 (25.July). All customers who already made a
> order will get a unit from this batch, promised !
> Again sorry and thanks.
>
> Chris
> www.pulster.eu
> Openmokoshop.eu
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the brandnew freerunner and the powered-off gsm schip

[Arne Zachlod]

yes, i got it! ist cool, it looks nice and i already have the first 
problem- the gsm-chip is powered off when i start the mobile. i can 
power it on, but for that i have ti cancel the pin-dialog an i have no 
idea where can i reopen the dialog. but the phone is nice, very nice :)
i will now look for a possibility for solving that problem. (does anyone 
knows where i can change the standard power setting so that the gsm-chip 
will be powered on at every start of the phone?)

ciao, Arne

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Re: FYI: AT&T to sell iPhone without contract

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:12:15 +0200, Joshua Broussard  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Get a 2 year and cancel it the 31st day. The $175 from this and $35 for
> activation saves you $190 if you buy sans contract.
>
> Well a little less if you count the cost of service...
>
> If you must have the iPhone, get it in the way that you will get less
> screwed...

This still won't get the phone unlocked.



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