date:20080805

Dale Maggee wrote:
 Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
   
 2008/8/5 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 
 Has anybody managed to get Navit working on their freerunner?
 
   
 I've been working on this, but unfortunately, Real Life has been
 preventing me sorting out the problem I had - that the build was
 failing in the tool chain because it builds a sample map as part of
 the build process, using the osm2navit tool it compiles - which of
 course won't run on the host.

 I commented out those parts of the makefile that build the sample,
 built the ipkg, but haven't had time to test...

 Jeff
   
 
 I managed to get it to skip building the sample map by passing 
 '--disable-samplemap' to om-conf.
 #om-conf navit-0.0.4 --disable-samplemap

 I also tried passing --enable-gpsd, but this didn't seem to have any 
 effect, gpsd is still disabled.

 I'll try building my own map and see how that goes.

 did your om-conf detect gps.h and enable gpsd?

 If so and you can post your ipkg online, or even email it to me 
 directly, I'll be happy to try it out! :)

 Cheers,
 -Dale

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OK, so I've tried building the maps myself, but I just keep getting 'bad 
request' when I use wget. I expect that this is because I'm in the 
southern hemisphere, as the example wget command on the website works fine.

$ wget -O map.osm 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=136.1,-37,136,-37.1

--16:01:34--  
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=136.1,-37,136,-37.1
Resolving www.openstreetmap.org... 128.40.58.202
Connecting to www.openstreetmap.org|128.40.58.202|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 400 Bad Request
16:01:36 ERROR 400: Bad Request.

I've decided to just go the excessive route and download planet.bin (I 
could kiss my 8gb SD card!), we'll see how that goes.



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Re: Third request: what is the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)

Hi Dimitri:

Some of information is not correct.

 The warranty is essentially non-existent.
 

Yes, we don't have unified warranty policy yet, but this does not mean 
we don't take the responsibility for user get bad devices. We still 
working on this, once we have consensus, we will announce. The problem 
also not warranty itself, but also who will take care later warranty 
issue processing (fixing/logistic).

 It's supposedly 14 days D.O.A.. Dead On Arrival, in its strictest
 definition, means that as long as the phone boots up, that's it. It doesn't
 matter if it's not really functional. As long as it boots up, it's
 technically not DOA.
 
 If it can't make phone calls or connect to the internet, too bad: it's not
 DOA.

 If the GPS antenna doesn't work right, because of a hardware flaw, too bad:
 it's not DOA.


We have support list for trouble shooting, For EU user get phone from 
distributor, you could contact them if your phone not working. For web 
shop order, please contact mail on the web shop, we will take the case 
and process it. But also please check support list and wiki quick start 
page for existing answer.

We _didn't_ reject any customer for return with reasonable reasons so 
far. If device is really non-functional, we take case by case troubling 
shooting and review it. We don't want to be irresponsible for FR user, 
that's only policy here for sure.

 While I'm glad they're trying to put out a phone that's open, I'm very
 disappointed in their lack of customer support. I mean, it's not some
 throw-away piece of crap. It's a $400 phone!
 

Yes, we do not satisfy ourself with this kind of service level either, 
we are trying improve, but this is global shipment, and we only have a 
few people now.

 I feel mislead by their marketing, which led me (and, from what I've been
 reading, many others) to think that the phone was actually ready for both
 developers AND regular folks. This, of course, is false, as it can't even
 connect to the internet *out of the box*, and requires a ridiculous degree
 of programming knowledge to even do so. (As a Java programmer with 10 years'
 experience, I've finally given up trying.)
 

If you ask for return, we still take this request and review it. Please 
mail me your contact information, order number, and issue description.

Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu)
Openmoko, Inc.
Support.

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Re: Openmoko presentation

Shakthi Kannan wrote:
 Hi Michael and others!

 --- On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Michael Shiloh
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 | This is quite wonderful. Thanks! Can we put a copy on our downloads
 | page? (I know it's CC but still want to check with you)
 \--

 Sure! Feel free to re-use/add/delete/modify it.

 ---
 | Also can you explain the page about libre? I assume you mean the white
 | part is closed and the grey part is open?
 \--

 Yes. I could have used it the other way round, or used different
 background colors. Unfortunately, colors have different meanings in
 different parts of the world, and context.

 This slide was taken from Ole Tange's presentation and modified. His
 presentation is available at:
 http://www.ukuug.org/events/openmoko/

 Regards,

 SK

   
Be sure to post a warning about 'will make you need chocolate' if you 
put it online!

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Re: Third request: what is the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)

Hi Lally Singh:

 The warranty is also bugging me.
 
 Is there anywhere else I could get one?  Or would OM be willing to
 sell an extended warranty for a bit more $$?
 

Our sales and marketing both are in US working on this now, no extended 
warranty yet.

 Or at least a cheap spare parts program?  I don't mind swapping out
 parts if they're available at reasonable prices.
 

We might have spare part or re-work package, but still under discussion. 
What spare part you need?

Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu)

Openmoko, Inc.
Support.

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Re: Navit?

Dale Maggee wrote:
 I've decided to just go the excessive route and download planet.bin (I 
 could kiss my 8gb SD card!), we'll see how that goes.

If you are inside europe (I don't know if you are), you could also head
over to http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ and download only the parts
you need (either europe with nearly 700mb which get reduced to about
200mb by osm2navit, or any european country).

That's the way I use navit on my laptop.

Greetings, Wolfgang.

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Re: Navit?

Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
   
 I've decided to just go the excessive route and download planet.bin (I 
 could kiss my 8gb SD card!), we'll see how that goes.
 

 If you are inside europe (I don't know if you are), you could also head
 over to http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ and download only the parts
 you need (either europe with nearly 700mb which get reduced to about
 200mb by osm2navit, or any european country).

 That's the way I use navit on my laptop.

 Greetings, Wolfgang.
   

Thanks for the advice, but I'm in Australia, not europe - I'm trying to 
get maps for the whole of Australia.

-Dale

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Re: alarm clock for 2007.2?

2008-08-05 Thread Risto H. Kurppa

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:39:31 +0800,W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there an alarm clock pkg for 2007.2?  Something that plays a sound at
 a particular time off the calendar?
 I even tried to search the repo for cron and at without luck - so I
 suppose these are manual build/installs?

 As I understand it, there is not yet a cron or the moral equivalent.
 It's not a simple port, as you have to be able to wake the phone from
 suspend, etc.

 I'm hoping that someone who understands the low-level issues will
 decide to dive into this, because I have a number of ideas that
 require something like cron.  Perhaps this will be part of FSO?  Arne
 brought it up on the list about six weeks ago, and there was no real
 answer then.

I found this:  http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ringer/

But so far I've not been able to build it. Let me know if you succeed
(or create an ipk)

And this would be close to cron:
http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/freerunnercc/

r

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Re: FSO xserver update

2008-08-05 Thread Charles-Henri Gros

digger vermont wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Its great to have the updates now for FSO but I've a problem with it.  I
 installed the distro-feed-configs ipk

Where did you find that? I asked earlier about feeds in FSO but got no
answer.


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Re: Navit?

Wrightson, Barney (Contractor) wrote:
Dale Maggee wrote:

OK, so I've tried building the maps myself, but I just keep getting

'bad request' when I use wget. I expect that this is because I'm in the
southern hemisphere, as the

example wget command on the website works fine.

$ wget -O map.osm
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=136.1,-37,136,-37.1

I was messing with this a few weeks ago before I got my FR and I think
something like this worked to get SA data:

http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/*%5bbbox=132.6,-36.4,13
6.8,-33.5%5d

I think that site worked better for large chunks. I also think that the
order of the two BB corners may have mattered.
I was doing this through a web browser not wget.

Barney

PS cc-ed you because I'm not sure if the list will acceped un subscribed
emails...

Barney,

Thanks. your URL worked just fine, but I haven't been able to get this
to give me the whole of australia. I've tried various permutations. The
coords I'm trying to get are 111.9,-9.8 to 154.4,-44.8

I've got the planet.bin file, which seems to render ok. Looking at this,
I now think the problem with the Australia.bin file I downloaded was
simply that it looks terrible when zoomed out beyond a certain point
(which is the default view in my current config).

do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile?

I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 'make':

/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:

cannot find -lpq
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1

om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd.

-Dale

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Gilles Casse

Le mar 05/08/08 08:09, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 OK, so I've tried building the maps myself, but I just keep getting 'bad
 request' when I use wget.

This script from the om wiki splits the OSM area in small chunks and downloads 
them:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Script_to_download_OSM_maps

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Re: FSO xserver update

2008-08-05 Thread NeilBrown

On Tue, August 5, 2008 5:08 pm, Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
 digger vermont wrote:
 Hello,

 Its great to have the updates now for FSO but I've a problem with it.  I
 installed the distro-feed-configs ipk

 Where did you find that? I asked earlier about feeds in FSO but got no
 answer.

I just edited my /etc/opkg/*-feed.conf to have e.g.

src/gz remote-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed//all

whether I'm really getting the right stuff I cannot be certain,
but the increment in version numbers when I do
  opkg update ; opkg upgrade

seems probable.

NeilBrown


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Re: Navit?

Thanks, but I've got the map problem sorted out, I think... now I just 
need to get it working with gpsd...

Gilles Casse wrote:
 Le mar 05/08/08 08:09, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
   
 Dale Maggee wrote:
 OK, so I've tried building the maps myself, but I just keep getting 'bad
 request' when I use wget.
 

 This script from the om wiki splits the OSM area in small chunks and 
 downloads them:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Script_to_download_OSM_maps

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Harald Koenig

On Aug 05, Dale Maggee wrote:

 Thanks, but I've got the map problem sorted out, I think... now I just 
 need to get it working with gpsd...

when I first compiled navit for openmoko I had to add libgps devel 
to my (cross) build environment to make ./configure add the gpsd support
(check the tail of the output of configure!), then it worked quite fine.

here I have tar files (no ipk yet, sorry) from two builds form July 12
and August 4, just extract them in / and run navit in a terminal...

http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.1.tgz
http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.2.tgz


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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Michael Sheldon

Dale Maggee wrote:
 do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile?
 
 I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 'make':
 
 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:
  
 cannot find -lpq
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1
 
 om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd.

  You shouldn't need to use the separate openmoko buildchain, there's a 
navit recipe in openembedded which should build navit and all the 
required dependencies.

  Just setup the MokoMakefile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile

  Then run: make build-package-navit

  This'll probably take a long time, since it'll first have to build the 
tool chain and all dependencies.

  If I get time later I'll see about doing a build of it and making it 
available.

  Cheers,
   Mike.

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Re: Third request: what is the warranty on the Freerunner?

 Ah, but once you hit send you lost ownership of your thread.

 You can no more reclaim your thread than you can stuff feathers back
 into a torn pillow in a high wind

true, oh pharao.
but otoh it isn't the first attempt to clarify the issue and virtually  
every other attempt very fast went in any other direction but a satisfying  
answer -- since the issue is still of interest for a lot of people it's  
not unrealistic at all that hope that this time it would stay in-topic.
in vain, as it turns out ...

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Re: Problem with usb cable: device descriptor read/64, error -110

2008-08-05 Thread Kevin Zuber

Hi Andy,

thanks for your quick answer!

Ok, that's the reason for the problem but it doesn't fix it completely.
After flashing uboot (flashing works quite well so no problem with the
cable) there was no more error message but also no success message. 
If I connect now my Freerunner to the usb port (when the Freerunner is
powered up) there isn't any kind of message in dmesg on the host and
there is also no new networking interface (usb0).

So usb networking is still not working.

Do I have to wait for an fix?

Kev


Am Montag, den 04.08.2008, 19:28 +0100 schrieb Andy Green:
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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 
 | So it should be the cable (hardware defect?) oder the neo update (using
 | 2007.2 with latest updates).
 | Did I miss something, any other ideas? Has someone this problems, too?
 |
 | It also seems, that the neo isn't charging anymore when it is connected
 | to the cable. The usb power supply is still working fine and can charge
 | the neo.
 |
 | Thanks a lot for your answer!
 
 This sounds exactly like the fault of the bad U-Boot we put out for a
 while.  Boot into your NOR U-Boot by holding AUX while powering up, then
 dfu over today's U-Boot image.  After that this should be no longer a
 problem.
 
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Re: Testing for audio playback

2008-08-05 Thread Clemens Kirchgatterer

Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry but I can't help, but I just wanted to say good luck with this, 
 please keep us posted - I also find this annoying and I'd love to see
 it fixed! :)

AFAIK, alsa has a plugin interface. we could install one, that
periodically snoops into the stream and reports silence/noise via dbus.

just my 2 cents ...
clemens

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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| sluggish and should be adequate given the task at hand. What is the deal
| with Glamo? Do we have - or will we ever have - meaningful graphics
| acceleration for the Freerunner, given that this Glamo appears to be
| handicapped by a bus that is not only slow to start with, but also shared?

We didn't get to the end of meddling with the Glamo yet, but what we got
is what we got so far.  The biggest handicap by far for that chip is we
can't share the documentation.

If we could, I bet there are people who would jump in and do stuff like
use one of the OpenRisc CPUs that are on the die to do all kinds of
effects in local Glamo memory.  There is quite a bit of firepower in
there we don't have resources to get working internally that can help
hide the weakness of the external bus interface.

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread HdR

look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit there are instructions to
install navit via opkg

Dale Maggee schrieb:
Wrightson, Barney (Contractor) wrote:

Dale Maggee wrote:

OK, so I've tried building the maps myself, but I just keep getting

'bad request' when I use wget. I expect that this is because I'm in the
southern hemisphere, as the

example wget command on the website works fine.

$ wget -O map.osm
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=136.1,-37,136,-37.1

I was messing with this a few weeks ago before I got my FR and I think
something like this worked to get SA data:

http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/*%5bbbox=132.6,-36.4,13
6.8,-33.5%5d

I think that site worked better for large chunks. I also think that the
order of the two BB corners may have mattered.
I was doing this through a web browser not wget.

Barney

PS cc-ed you because I'm not sure if the list will acceped un subscribed
emails...

Barney,

Thanks. your URL worked just fine, but I haven't been able to get this
to give me the whole of australia. I've tried various permutations. The
coords I'm trying to get are 111.9,-9.8 to 154.4,-44.8

do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile?

I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 'make':

/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:

cannot find -lpq
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1

om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd.

-Dale

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Re: opkg - delete package from list

2008-08-05 Thread Benedikt Schindler

arne anka schrieb:
 what gives
 opkg status libefreet0
 ?

 ___
   
nothing ... did i mentioned that i removed libefreet0 from my device? :) 


But just now OM is restructuring 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/ so i will wait and see
whats upcomnming next.

[20 minutes. later]

i reconfigured the opkg-feed.confs. 
run a update/upgrade. ...still doesn't work

but now the direct install of the package worked:
opkg install 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libefreet0_0.5.0.043+cvs20080805-r1_armv4t.ipk;

[another 5 minutes later]

found a last error in my new opkg-feed-confs.
now update / upgrade works fine again. (And i have my X11 back :) )
I'm up to date with the new Om2008.8 repository ... and the big 
Multiverse ;)

thx @all





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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry


 This is probably the negative effect of Glamo bandwidth constraints.
 All of your examples have some kind of heavy graphical action.  If SD
 Card is being accessed at the same time it'll also make it sluggish.

 Glamo has the undeserved unique ability to force the CPU to wait for it,
 and it isn't shy about using it.  I have some patches pending that
 should improve this a bit but how much I dunno
I've noticed laggy scrolling in menus even without graphical 
applications running.

400MHz is not going to set the world on fire but is certainly not 
sluggish and should be adequate given the task at hand. What is the deal 
with Glamo? Do we have - or will we ever have - meaningful graphics 
acceleration for the Freerunner, given that this Glamo appears to be 
handicapped by a bus that is not only slow to start with, but also shared?

Aaron

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Re: Navit?

the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated though

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, HdR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit there are instructions to
install navit via opkg

Dale Maggee schrieb:
Wrightson, Barney (Contractor) wrote:

Dale Maggee wrote:

OK, so I've tried building the maps myself, but I just keep getting

'bad request' when I use wget. I expect that this is because I'm in the
southern hemisphere, as the

example wget command on the website works fine.

$ wget -O map.osm
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=136.1,-37,136,-37.1

I was messing with this a few weeks ago before I got my FR and I think
something like this worked to get SA data:

http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/*%5bbbox=132.6,-36.4,13
6.8,-33.5%5d

I think that site worked better for large chunks. I also think that the
order of the two BB corners may have mattered.
I was doing this through a web browser not wget.

Barney

PS cc-ed you because I'm not sure if the list will acceped un subscribed
emails...

Barney,

Thanks. your URL worked just fine, but I haven't been able to get this
to give me the whole of australia. I've tried various permutations. The
coords I'm trying to get are 111.9,-9.8 to 154.4,-44.8

do you have an ipkg? did you get gpsd support to compile?

I've tried compiling the svn version, but I get the following during 'make':

/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:
cannot find -lpq
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [osm2navit] Error 1

om-conf seems to work, although it still isn't enabling gpsd.

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Re: Pulsters outstanding orders

2008-08-05 Thread Tobias Kündig

I received mine about a week ago. Everything worked fine.

I got a confirmation by mail (see below) and received my Freerunner 5
days later.

Regards,
Tobias

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Pulster, July 20, 2008:

Hallo,

Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de:
Ihr Pakerl ist ab Dienstag unterwegs !

Es kann sein, dass Zollspesen anfallen, dafuer habe ich zwei Headsets
gratis dazugepackt.

Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude.
Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne
direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer
Hotline an: 01805-785 783  (DiDo 10-14 Uhr).
Ich wuerde mich freuen, wenn unser Shop fuer ihre Lesezeichen/Favoriten
gut genug ist.


Schoene Gruesse, many thanks,
Christoph Pulster

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 13:24, Carcinoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Community,

 I'm not happy about writing this Mail, but i think there is not better place.

 Does anyone received his Freerunner from Pulsters?

 I'm waiting 1 1/2week, since Pulster received the Freerunners from the Fab 
 (was 25.08.2008).

 But every day which passes without receiving, i think, what does this man do, 
 while
 he should pack the FR's and send it to its owner. I don't trust him anymore. 
 At the beginning
 of last week, he mailed The Freerunners comes at the week. Nothing. This 
 week they will be send monday. Nothing (no track id or mail reladed to the 
 sending process).

 So what should i do?
 Today I'm waiting to long. Looking to the process at the wiki, mailinglist 
 and so on will make me more unhappy.

 !!! Pulster when does you send me my Freerunner? !!!

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Carcinoma wrote:
 Hi Community, 

Hi (nice name :)

 
 I'm not happy about writing this Mail, but i think there is not better place. 
 
 Does anyone received his Freerunner from Pulsters? 
 
 I'm waiting 1 1/2week, since Pulster received the Freerunners from the Fab 
 (was 25.08.2008). 
 

Pulster is receiving stock of Phone. The problem is that there was a
very big ammount of request, and Openmoko factory need time to produce
all the FR.



For example today I read that Openmoko is giving all Openmoko that is
able to produce to their distributor (like Pulster, Trisoft) giving
priority to them respect to his shop.

 But every day which passes without receiving, i think, what does this man do, 
 while 
 he should pack the FR's and send it to its owner. I don't trust him anymore. 
 At the beginning 
 of last week, he mailed The Freerunners comes at the week. Nothing. This 
 week they will be send monday. Nothing (no track id or mail reladed to the 
 sending process). 

I don't think he is doing nothing all the day. The request was bigger
than prevented and so the only thing we can do is only to wait.

 So what should i do? 
 Today I'm waiting to long. Looking to the process at the wiki, mailinglist 
 and so on will make me more unhappy. 
 
 !!! Pulster when does you send me my Freerunner? !!! 

I think when I had the possibility.

Ps. I think there is a bit of lack of communication between Pulster /
Openmoko and all the customers, but I am sure they are tring to do all
is possible to solve all the problems.

 
  Carci

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Re: Navit?

when building, you guys might want to include libgarmin
(http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps)
seems like somebody already did that:
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/72afba0381f052f868dc5d3622f0faac.png

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Harald Koenig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Aug 05, Dale Maggee wrote:

 Thanks, but I've got the map problem sorted out, I think... now I just
 need to get it working with gpsd...

 when I first compiled navit for openmoko I had to add libgps devel
 to my (cross) build environment to make ./configure add the gpsd support
 (check the tail of the output of configure!), then it worked quite fine.

 here I have tar files (no ipk yet, sorry) from two builds form July 12
 and August 4, just extract them in / and run navit in a terminal...

http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.1.tgz
http://www.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de/~koenig/navit.arm.2.tgz


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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Tim Schmidt

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We didn't get to the end of meddling with the Glamo yet, but what we got
 is what we got so far.  The biggest handicap by far for that chip is we
 can't share the documentation.

Is there anyone we can contact, as community members, to attempt to
get the documentation freed up?  Anything we can do at all for that
matter?  Whether or not it's likely to succeed.

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

 http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/08/02/kill-gsm-radio-buzz.html
 Maybe that could provide a less invasive means to getting rid of the  
 problem?

jOERG proposed using a ferrite bead on the wired headset a while ago in a  
german forum (freeyourphone.de or so).
i am still trying to find one which is capable to be put on the included  
headset non-destructive (both the bead and the headset).

ps: i was still under impression, the bead has to fit _around_ the cable  
-- the page says, it can be attached simple with tape as well.
has someone a link explaining exactly what kind of voodoo that thing does?  
has it to have a hole?

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Re: Pulsters outstanding orders

2008-08-05 Thread Carcinoma


NOW! i received the information about the Sending.

So i hope...


 Carci

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:39:39 +0200
 Von: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Betreff: Re: Pulsters outstanding orders

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 Carcinoma wrote:
  Hi Community, 
 
 Hi (nice name :)
 
  
  I'm not happy about writing this Mail, but i think there is not better
 place. 
  
  Does anyone received his Freerunner from Pulsters? 
  
  I'm waiting 1 1/2week, since Pulster received the Freerunners from the
 Fab (was 25.08.2008). 
  
 
 Pulster is receiving stock of Phone. The problem is that there was a
 very big ammount of request, and Openmoko factory need time to produce
 all the FR.
 
 
 
 For example today I read that Openmoko is giving all Openmoko that is
 able to produce to their distributor (like Pulster, Trisoft) giving
 priority to them respect to his shop.
 
  But every day which passes without receiving, i think, what does this
 man do, while 
  he should pack the FR's and send it to its owner. I don't trust him
 anymore. At the beginning 
  of last week, he mailed The Freerunners comes at the week. Nothing.
 This week they will be send monday. Nothing (no track id or mail reladed to
 the sending process). 
 
 I don't think he is doing nothing all the day. The request was bigger
 than prevented and so the only thing we can do is only to wait.
 
  So what should i do? 
  Today I'm waiting to long. Looking to the process at the wiki,
 mailinglist and so on will make me more unhappy. 
  
  !!! Pulster when does you send me my Freerunner? !!! 
 
 I think when I had the possibility.
 
 Ps. I think there is a bit of lack of communication between Pulster /
 Openmoko and all the customers, but I am sure they are tring to do all
 is possible to solve all the problems.
 
  
   Carci
 
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Re: cpu-speed limitations



Andy Green wrote, On 05/08/08 11:05:
 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | sluggish and should be adequate given the task at hand. What is the deal
 | with Glamo? Do we have - or will we ever have - meaningful graphics
 | acceleration for the Freerunner, given that this Glamo appears to be
 | handicapped by a bus that is not only slow to start with, but also
 shared?

 We didn't get to the end of meddling with the Glamo yet, but what we got
 is what we got so far.  The biggest handicap by far for that chip is we
 can't share the documentation.

 If we could, I bet there are people who would jump in and do stuff like
 use one of the OpenRisc CPUs that are on the die to do all kinds of
 effects in local Glamo memory.  There is quite a bit of firepower in
 there we don't have resources to get working internally that can help
 hide the weakness of the external bus interface.
That kind of sucks doesn't it.  That there is a processor on the chip
that could do, say, scrolling independently of the main processor and we
aren't allowed to know how to do it.  I'm sure it's a great chip, but if
we can't drive it in interesting ways:

a) it means that Glamo doesn't look very good.
b) developers will think that Glamo isn't very good and will ask for
something else.

Does this scenario work well for S Media?
-- 
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Why we all from this mailing list, we don't start to send a simple and
educated email asking to release their documentation out of NDA?

I think if they saw all our email with First name / Last Name asking it,
may be they will start to think about what opportunity they can lose if
they don't open it. In the end are our money that give resource to this
firm.

Someone from Openmoko, can tell us what we have to ask them?

Alex Kavanagh wrote:
 
 Andy Green wrote, On 05/08/08 11:05:
 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | sluggish and should be adequate given the task at hand. What is the deal
 | with Glamo? Do we have - or will we ever have - meaningful graphics
 | acceleration for the Freerunner, given that this Glamo appears to be
 | handicapped by a bus that is not only slow to start with, but also
 shared?

 We didn't get to the end of meddling with the Glamo yet, but what we got
 is what we got so far.  The biggest handicap by far for that chip is we
 can't share the documentation.

 If we could, I bet there are people who would jump in and do stuff like
 use one of the OpenRisc CPUs that are on the die to do all kinds of
 effects in local Glamo memory.  There is quite a bit of firepower in
 there we don't have resources to get working internally that can help
 hide the weakness of the external bus interface.
 That kind of sucks doesn't it.  That there is a processor on the chip
 that could do, say, scrolling independently of the main processor and we
 aren't allowed to know how to do it.  I'm sure it's a great chip, but if
 we can't drive it in interesting ways:
 
 a) it means that Glamo doesn't look very good.
 b) developers will think that Glamo isn't very good and will ask for
 something else.
 
 Does this scenario work well for S Media?

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Re: cpu-speed limitations

I guess it could even prevent car gps-navigation
because displaying the map + speed and using text2speech would
probable give some problems

There just hast to be someone in the community that can persuade them
to give him/her the docs...
Openmoko could give some employees of smedia a FreeRunner :)

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Alex Kavanagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Andy Green wrote, On 05/08/08 11:05:
 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | sluggish and should be adequate given the task at hand. What is the deal
 | with Glamo? Do we have - or will we ever have - meaningful graphics
 | acceleration for the Freerunner, given that this Glamo appears to be
 | handicapped by a bus that is not only slow to start with, but also
 shared?

 We didn't get to the end of meddling with the Glamo yet, but what we got
 is what we got so far.  The biggest handicap by far for that chip is we
 can't share the documentation.

 If we could, I bet there are people who would jump in and do stuff like
 use one of the OpenRisc CPUs that are on the die to do all kinds of
 effects in local Glamo memory.  There is quite a bit of firepower in
 there we don't have resources to get working internally that can help
 hide the weakness of the external bus interface.
 That kind of sucks doesn't it.  That there is a processor on the chip
 that could do, say, scrolling independently of the main processor and we
 aren't allowed to know how to do it.  I'm sure it's a great chip, but if
 we can't drive it in interesting ways:

 a) it means that Glamo doesn't look very good.
 b) developers will think that Glamo isn't very good and will ask for
 something else.

 Does this scenario work well for S Media?
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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Jay Vaughan

 That kind of sucks doesn't it.  That there is a processor on the chip
 that could do, say, scrolling independently of the main processor  
 and we
 aren't allowed to know how to do it.  I'm sure it's a great chip,  
 but if
 we can't drive it in interesting ways:

 a) it means that Glamo doesn't look very good.
 b) developers will think that Glamo isn't very good and will ask for
 something else.

 Does this scenario work well for S Media?


I think the point is this: whoever *has* access to the documentation  
at OpenMoko shouldn't be working on *anything else* except for getting  
the features of this chip available to us in the public sphere. If  
you've got the docs, why work on something that a public community  
member can work on?  Work on the hard stuff - that which we can't get  
the docs for here in the open community - and push the hardware as  
much as possible.. please!


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I think they have already a IPhonez :)
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Re: S-Media's self-damaging NDA-happiness

 Does this scenario work well for S Media?

 No. Their NDA-happiness does seem very stupid, as they don't seem to
 have much of an edge against the bigger players besides their lack of
 overt hostility to free software development. (Okay, possibly cost, but
 I wouldn't know about that.)

wasn't there talk some time ago that om could not release the genuine  
nda'd docs, but could do their own from them which could be released, but  
they lack the manpower to do so?
if so, isn't there a way one of  the hardware geniusses on the list could  
join the nda and fabricate free docs from it or so?

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I think is because for now there are too many things to do, and OM has
not all the people to work on all there.

And for now the graphical acceleration is not one of the first priority.
Remember that they are only a few of persons (and a fewer with the
tecnical capacity to work on it)


Jay Vaughan wrote:

 I think the point is this: whoever *has* access to the documentation  
 at OpenMoko shouldn't be working on *anything else* except for getting  
 the features of this chip available to us in the public sphere. If  
 you've got the docs, why work on something that a public community  
 member can work on?  Work on the hard stuff - that which we can't get  
 the docs for here in the open community - and push the hardware as  
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Re: S-Media's self-damaging NDA-happiness

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry


 Does this scenario work well for S Media?
 

 No. Their NDA-happiness does seem very stupid, as they don't seem to
 have much of an edge against the bigger players besides their lack of
 overt hostility to free software development. (Okay, possibly cost, but
 I wouldn't know about that.)
   
It does seem stupid. I know that some larger GPU manufacturers are often 
forced into de-facto NDAs by the film industry and prominent software 
companies (no need to name names) so that people can't potentially write 
drivers to bypass DRM technology, but it's not like people are going to 
be watching 1080p HD content on their Freerunners. Does anyone from 
SMedia subscribe to this mailing-list, or does anyone know how we can 
get in touch with them to ask the relevant questions?

I don't believe that writing direct to the framebuffer solves anything 
as far as graphic performance is concerned, I think we need a graphic 
accelerator that works and can be coded for.

Aaron

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Re: Navit?


Dale Maggee a écrit :

Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote:
  

Dale Maggee wrote:
  

I've decided to just go the excessive route and download planet.bin (I 
could kiss my 8gb SD card!), we'll see how that goes.

  

If you are inside europe (I don't know if you are), you could also head
over to http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ and download only the parts
you need (either europe with nearly 700mb which get reduced to about
200mb by osm2navit, or any european country).

That's the way I use navit on my laptop.

Greetings, Wolfgang.
  



Thanks for the advice, but I'm in Australia, not europe - I'm trying to 
get maps for the whole of Australia.


-Dale
  
You can also try the web download interface at 
http://maps.navit-project.org/download/
This is a web interface which allows one to select only a rectangular 
area for maps.
http://maps.navit-project.org (alone, without the /download/) provides 
downloadable countries which in fact are pre-converted maps from geofabrik.



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Re: Navit?


Jeffrey Ratcliffe a écrit :

2008/8/5 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  

Has anybody managed to get Navit working on their freerunner?



I've been working on this, but unfortunately, Real Life has been
preventing me sorting out the problem I had - that the build was
failing in the tool chain because it builds a sample map as part of
the build process, using the osm2navit tool it compiles - which of
course won't run on the host.

I commented out those parts of the makefile that build the sample,
built the ipkg, but haven't had time to test...
  


Hi everyone. I'm a member of the navit project, and a potential future owner of 
freerunner.
For the sample map, you can use ./configure --disable-samplemap


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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Mikko Rauhala

On ti, 2008-08-05 at 14:10 +0200, Yorick Moko wrote:
 I guess it could even prevent car gps-navigation
 because displaying the map + speed and using text2speech would
 probable give some problems

Oh come on, it's not that bad. Also (AIUI) you can pretty much scroll
with the Glamo, only drawing newly visible portions of the map.

-- 
Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Helsinki


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Re: S-Media's self-damaging NDA-happiness

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arne anka wrote:
 wasn't there talk some time ago that om could not release the genuine  
 nda'd docs, but could do their own from them which could be released, but  
 they lack the manpower to do so?
 if so, isn't there a way one of  the hardware geniusses on the list could  
 join the nda and fabricate free docs from it or so?

If I remember well OM has the possibility to make only some source code
well commented, but I think is very difficult that OM can give us the
access to such documentation :( And it is not OM fault!






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Re: Navit?


Tilman Baumann a écrit :

Yorick Moko wrote:
  

the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated though



I'm really glad Navit is getting the attention it deserves now.
If anyone could make a new build (package) with the lastest version.
And maybe even some gui improvements (tabed layout vs windowed, remove 
menu bar) or maybe some config apps (editing naxit.xml) for selecting 
maps. Or working speech integration.


  
The gtk gui can be tweaked from the navit.xml. You can for example 
remove the menubar or other items so that it's more handy/looks better 
on small screen devices.
some ready built maps which integrate themselves in navit.xml would be 
great too. updating maps via opkg seems like a good idea.


  

http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ might help you
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Re: S-Media's self-damaging NDA-happiness

this will probably be very stupid:
can't they employ someone like a freelance programmer (a community
member of course)?
so-called only for 1 day (and give him the minimum wage or whatever)
wouldn't it be ok to send him the docs then?

Naturally he will shred those docs immediately when the day is over.
after some time he can then maybe tell us he is a natural-born
documentation writer and on that one day he made his own documentation
(surely without the help of other community members) and would very
much like to share his work with us all.

the only problem is that there wouldn't be enough beer in the whole
world to thank him


who knows... maybe he even did more on that one day then just document
it all


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:15 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does this scenario work well for S Media?

 No. Their NDA-happiness does seem very stupid, as they don't seem to
 have much of an edge against the bigger players besides their lack of
 overt hostility to free software development. (Okay, possibly cost, but
 I wouldn't know about that.)

 wasn't there talk some time ago that om could not release the genuine
 nda'd docs, but could do their own from them which could be released, but
 they lack the manpower to do so?
 if so, isn't there a way one of  the hardware geniusses on the list could
 join the nda and fabricate free docs from it or so?

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Re: Navit?

KaZeR wrote:

 You can also try the web download interface at
 http://maps.navit-project.org/download/
 This is a web interface which allows one to select only a rectangular
 area for maps.
 http://maps.navit-project.org (alone, without the /download/) provides
 downloadable countries which in fact are pre-converted maps from geofabrik.

Seems the maps for single countries are a bit out of date. Near my home,
I think coverage has doubled since the maps were created in january.

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Re: FSO xserver update

2008-08-05 Thread digger vermont

On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 00:08 -0700, Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
 digger vermont wrote:
  Hello,
  
  Its great to have the updates now for FSO but I've a problem with it.  I
  installed the distro-feed-configs ipk
 
 Where did you find that? I asked earlier about feeds in FSO but got no
 answer.
 
 

I started monitoring the dev list. I was added on 4 Aug and there is a
ipk to add the feeds.  

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Re: Navit?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Wolfgang Silbermayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 KaZeR wrote:

 You can also try the web download interface at
 http://maps.navit-project.org/download/
 This is a web interface which allows one to select only a rectangular
 area for maps.
 http://maps.navit-project.org (alone, without the /download/) provides
 downloadable countries which in fact are pre-converted maps from geofabrik.

 Seems the maps for single countries are a bit out of date. Near my home,
 I think coverage has doubled since the maps were created in january.

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Tilman Baumann

KaZeR wrote:
 Tilman Baumann a écrit :
 Yorick Moko wrote:
   
 the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated 
 though
 

 I'm really glad Navit is getting the attention it deserves now.
 If anyone could make a new build (package) with the lastest version.
 And maybe even some gui improvements (tabed layout vs windowed, remove 
 menu bar) or maybe some config apps (editing naxit.xml) for selecting 
 maps. Or working speech integration.

   
 The gtk gui can be tweaked from the navit.xml. You can for example 
 remove the menubar or other items so that it's more handy/looks better 
 on small screen devices.

Yea, but then functionality is removed. Some of the items in the menu 
should probably be moved somewhere else. (select destinations, bookmaks, 
select/unselect maps)
The toolbar is already more than full.


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Re: Navit?


Wolfgang Silbermayr a écrit :

KaZeR wrote:

  

You can also try the web download interface at
http://maps.navit-project.org/download/
This is a web interface which allows one to select only a rectangular
area for maps.
http://maps.navit-project.org (alone, without the /download/) provides
downloadable countries which in fact are pre-converted maps from geofabrik.



Seems the maps for single countries are a bit out of date. Near my home,
I think coverage has doubled since the maps were created in january.

Wolfgang.
  


Weird, they should be updated every wednesday.
Which map in particular are you using?
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InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Cédric DUFOUIL

Hi community,

I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 18th
of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about my
order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)

I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site.
Did you receive your order ?

Thanks for your testimony


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Re: FSO xserver update

2008-08-05 Thread digger vermont

On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:39 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote:
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:12 AM, digger vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Its great to have the updates now for FSO but I've a problem
 with it.  I
 installed the distro-feed-configs ipk and did an opkg update.
  Then opkg
 upgrade.  Unfortunately it didn't upgrade the xserver.  So I
 tried
 opkg install xserver-kdrive-glamo and I get
 
 Package xserver-kdrive-glamo (1:1.3.0.0
 +gita51364e2f23d4b6331c5ed613ce3f7e15f8e540f-r6) installed in
 root is up
 to date.
 
 Is it named wrong? Or is there something I'm missing?
 With opkg list xserver-kdrive-glamo I get.
 
 xserver-kdrive-glamo - 1:1.3.0.0
 +git4147f80c0bfedaff7749bccbd1e1d566dee0e04c-r7 - X server for
 glamo
 chip in the Openmoko GTA02 device
 xserver-kdrive-glamo - 1:1.3.0.0
 +gita51364e2f23d4b6331c5ed613ce3f7e15f8e540f-r6 -
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 digger
 
 Have you followed these instructions form the wiki
 
 Note that running opkg upgrade on a factory-fresh phone will upgrade 
...

 And run this command :
 
 # depmod
 
 
 
 Rakshat
  

Thanks Rakshat.   I have done that when I was messing with the original
install.   It doesn't have to do with this problem with FSO though.  I
guess I should have asked the question on the devel list where I just
found it answerwed.

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000717.html

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Re: Navit?

Yorick Moko wrote:
 http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ should be updated weekly

Did not know this one, looks great. Is there any chance they will add
generated navit files too?

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen

Tuesday 05 August 2008 Cédric DUFOUIL wrote:
 Hi community,

 I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the
 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about
 my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)

 I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site.
 Did you receive your order ?

 Thanks for your testimony


 (PS : Sorry if my email is not well formed, I'm not an English speaker)

  i received mine, in fact extremely rapidly considering i chose the 
cheapskate free shipping option that's supposed to take a couple of weeks (it 
arrived in two days). So, i can only say that my experience is positive :)

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Re: Navit?

KaZeR wrote:

 Weird, they should be updated every wednesday.
 Which map in particular are you using?

Well, actually I am not using them because according to their creation
date they don't seem to be usable. I am talking about the ones in
http://maps.navit-project.org/europe/

Greetings, Wolfgang.

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Re: cpu-speed limitations



Jay Vaughan wrote, On 05/08/08 13:11:
 That kind of sucks doesn't it.  That there is a processor on the chip
 that could do, say, scrolling independently of the main processor  
 and we
 aren't allowed to know how to do it.  I'm sure it's a great chip,  
 but if
 we can't drive it in interesting ways:

 a) it means that Glamo doesn't look very good.
 b) developers will think that Glamo isn't very good and will ask for
 something else.

 Does this scenario work well for S Media?
 


 I think the point is this: whoever *has* access to the documentation  
 at OpenMoko shouldn't be working on *anything else* except for getting  
 the features of this chip available to us in the public sphere.

I don't think that this is necessarily the case.  OM people have lots of
fish to fry and writing a acceleration code running inside the Glamo
probably isn't *the* most important thing to be working on.  Getting the
core kernel, device libraries and some application software working IMHO
*is* the most important thing.

  If  
 you've got the docs, why work on something that a public community  
 member can work on?  Work on the hard stuff - that which we can't get  
 the docs for here in the open community - and push the hardware as  
 much as possible.. please!
   

I think you might be shooting the wrong people here.  S.Media are the
'bad' guys as they won't/can't provide the documentation.  However, if
this were always the case then maybe the Glamo was a poor choice. 
However, I imagine that it *was* the right decision _at_the_time_ the
decision was made; everything is clearer with hindsight and everybody
*thinks* they would've made a better decision.

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Mikael Berthe

* Cédric DUFOUIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-05 14:43 +0200]:
 Hi community,

Hi,

 I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 18th
 of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about my
 order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
 
 I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site.
 Did you receive your order ?

I've ordered one too, I haven't received it.

I complained and they suppposedly sent me another one, which I haven't
received either (the 2nd one was reshipped on Jully 25th).

They told me (by email) they were sending them via UPS with no tracking,
so there's nothing we can do to check the status :\

I really think now that I'll never get it...  :-(
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Cédric DUFOUIL

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Mikael Berthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 I've ordered one too, I haven't received it.

 I complained and they suppposedly sent me another one, which I haven't
 received either (the 2nd one was reshipped on Jully 25th).

 They told me (by email) they were sending them via UPS with no tracking,
 so there's nothing we can do to check the status :\

 I really think now that I'll never get it...  :-(


It doesn't smell good :(

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread digger vermont

On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:43 +0200, Cédric DUFOUIL wrote:
 Hi community,
 
 I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner
 the 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no
 news about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
 
 I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web
 site. Did you receive your order ?
 
 Thanks for your testimony
 

Sorry to hear that.  I've ordered from them twice now.  Both times I
received email notifications and quick shipment.

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Christophe Badoit

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 I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the
 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news
 about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
 
 I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web
 site. Did you receive your order ?

Hi,

Same as you... I ordered it at about the same time, and still waiting
for it...

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Re: Navit?


Tilman Baumann a écrit :

KaZeR wrote:
  

Tilman Baumann a écrit :


Yorick Moko wrote:
  
  

the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated though



I'm really glad Navit is getting the attention it deserves now.
If anyone could make a new build (package) with the lastest version.
And maybe even some gui improvements (tabed layout vs windowed, remove 
menu bar) or maybe some config apps (editing naxit.xml) for selecting 
maps. Or working speech integration.


  
  
The gtk gui can be tweaked from the navit.xml. You can for example 
remove the menubar or other items so that it's more handy/looks better 
on small screen devices.



Yea, but then functionality is removed. Some of the items in the menu 
should probably be moved somewhere else. (select destinations, bookmaks, 
select/unselect maps)

The toolbar is already more than full.
  
Then you might want to try the 'internal' gui, which provides a very 
touchscreen-friendly interface.
This gui isn't complete yet, but should work for most of the tasks. Help 
welcome :)
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread John Reese

Cédric DUFOUIL wrote:
 Hi community,
 
 I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 
 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news 
 about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
 
 I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web 
 site. Did you receive your order ?
 
 Thanks for your testimony

I had no problems ordering;  I ordered a full protector the day after 
Freerunners first went on sale in America, and I got a shipping notice 
shortly after, and the the protector arrived in my mailbox about 10 days 
later.

I remember reading on this mailing list about others who had gotten 
theirs too, so I'd call them, sounds like someone dropped the ball.

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Re: Navit?

no idea,
i'm not affiliated with them in any way
maybe if you sent them an e-mail about it...shouldn't be that much
more work for their server...

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Wolfgang Silbermayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yorick Moko wrote:
 http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ should be updated weekly

 Did not know this one, looks great. Is there any chance they will add
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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Tilman Baumann

KaZeR wrote:
 Tilman Baumann a écrit :
 KaZeR wrote:
   
 Tilman Baumann a écrit :
 
 Yorick Moko wrote:
   
   
 the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated 
 though
 
 
 I'm really glad Navit is getting the attention it deserves now.
 If anyone could make a new build (package) with the lastest version.
 And maybe even some gui improvements (tabed layout vs windowed, remove 
 menu bar) or maybe some config apps (editing naxit.xml) for selecting 
 maps. Or working speech integration.

   
   
 The gtk gui can be tweaked from the navit.xml. You can for example 
 remove the menubar or other items so that it's more handy/looks better 
 on small screen devices.
 

 Yea, but then functionality is removed. Some of the items in the menu 
 should probably be moved somewhere else. (select destinations, bookmaks, 
 select/unselect maps)
 The toolbar is already more than full.
   
 Then you might want to try the 'internal' gui, which provides a very 
 touchscreen-friendly interface.

I'm looking forward to. But the last version i checked was the old 
january build, which did not have the new gui.


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Re: Edit wiki

2008-08-05 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko

hm... pretty sure that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my account

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008, BrendaWang wrote:

 Yes , I can add you .
 But you should give me your google account first.
 are you sure yarikoptic is the google account?
 I guess they use e-mail addrress as google account's id.

 Yaroslav Halchenko ??:
 ha -- apparently Brenda could add my google account (yarikoptic) to see
 the statistics 'online'

 https://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55500hl=en_USutm_id=ad

 or otherwise I will just wait for an updated report (I guess smth like
 last 2 weeks would be the best)

 On Fri, 01 Aug 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:


 due to restructuring of wiki which is ongoing (isn't it?) I guess it
 would be great if there was a way to get access to up-to-date monthly
 reports... and not in pdf although with pdftotext I can get a list of
 titles with



 grep -e '^\(URL\|.\/\).*wiki' attachment-0001.txt | sed -e 's/URL //g' -e 
 's/ \([^/]\)/\1/g' | tr ' ' '\n' | awk -F \/ '/\/wiki\//{print $3;}' | grep 
 -v Image



 so may be later on somehow to automate their prefetching in tiddlywiki
 wiki...



 On Fri, 01 Aug 2008, Minh Ha Duong wrote:



 Prior to making it into .ipkg, I wonder if there is a way to obtain
 statistics on what articles on wiki are the most popular, so I could
 prepopulate that file with such popular articles. We can't fetch full
 wiki.openmoko.org since it would render .html huge.



 Sure:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Popularpages
 and June statistics (posted by Brenda on the community list)
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080701/18ff1754/attachment-0001.pdf
  




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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Harald Koenig

On Aug 05, KaZeR wrote:

 You can also try the web download interface at
 http://maps.navit-project.org/download/

 Seems the maps for single countries are a bit out of date. Near my home,
 I think coverage has doubled since the maps were created in january.

 Weird, they should be updated every wednesday.
 Which map in particular are you using?

all european maps are from January 18:

http://maps.navit-project.org/europe/

only the huge planet.bin (1.5 GB) is up to date (july 31).


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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Feydreva

hello,

I ordered it, and it took around 3 weeks to get it in the US.

Regards
Philippe


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Tuesday 05 August 2008 Cédric DUFOUIL wrote:
  Hi community,
 
  I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the
  18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news
 about
  my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)
 
  I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web
 site.
  Did you receive your order ?
 
  Thanks for your testimony
 
 
  (PS : Sorry if my email is not well formed, I'm not an English speaker)

   i received mine, in fact extremely rapidly considering i chose the
 cheapskate free shipping option that's supposed to take a couple of weeks
 (it
 arrived in two days). So, i can only say that my experience is positive :)

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

2008-08-05 Thread Al Johnson

On Tuesday 05 August 2008, arne anka wrote:
  http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/08/02/kill-gsm-radio-buzz.html
  Maybe that could provide a less invasive means to getting rid of the
  problem?

 jOERG proposed using a ferrite bead on the wired headset a while ago in a
 german forum (freeyourphone.de or so).
 i am still trying to find one which is capable to be put on the included
 headset non-destructive (both the bead and the headset).

 ps: i was still under impression, the bead has to fit _around_ the cable
 -- the page says, it can be attached simple with tape as well.
 has someone a link explaining exactly what kind of voodoo that thing does?
 has it to have a hole?

The ferrite is increasing the common mode inductance of the cable because the 
ferrite has a better magnetic permeability than air. Taping the ferrite to 
the cable is a bit like a half turn on a ferrite rod. It will still affect 
the inductance, but not as much as if it went through a ferrite ring.

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Cédric DUFOUIL

Maybe it can help if people says in which country they are.

I'm in France
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Assisted GPS

Wouldn't it be very useful if someone made an *.ipk to get assisted
gps working with data from the u-blox server?
I don't have a build environment, but is seems everything is explained
and programmed already @
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295start=0st=0sk=tsd=ahilit=agps

just an idea

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Julien Cassignol

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Cédric DUFOUIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe it can help if people says in which country they are.

 I'm in France

French aswell, ordered two and a half week ago, still didn't receive a
thing despite the fact that I did receive the shipping confirmation
(two days after my order).

I ordered the full body protection and paid for the fast shipping
(2-4 days for Europe).

As I mailed them a week after my order, they told me they would reship
it, and I'm waiting for that since then... I think the mistake in 2-4
days is that they mispelled weeks...

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UTF-8 in terminal (FSO)

2008-08-05 Thread Fredrik Wendt

Hi.

I'd like to use UTF-8 in the terminal (so that I can reuse the screen
holding my irssi session). Has anyone got this to work?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?

2008-08-05 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors

I tried this USB gender changer and the voltage levels seem to go
just about right:

normal pc usb port
==

black GND
green 0V
white 0V
red +5V

freerunner as device


black GND
green 0V
white 0V
red 0V

freerunner as host
==

black GND
green 0V
white 0V
red +4.98V

However, usb devices don't seem to work. Even the simplest USB
extension cable with LED does not turn its LED on. Any idea how I
should debug this further? I am using

echo host  /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_USB_host to turn host mode
on and the following rootfs and kernel:

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/uImage-2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r1
 -om-gta02.bin

Maybe the ID pin in the openmoko usb cable somehow causes trouble?

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

 The ferrite is increasing the common mode inductance of the cable  
 because the
 ferrite has a better magnetic permeability than air. Taping the ferrite  
 to
 the cable is a bit like a half turn on a ferrite rod. It will still  
 affect
 the inductance, but not as much as if it went through a ferrite ring.

anything to pay attention to in particular (size, color,  taste or smell  
;-) or just using one that fits?

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

2008-08-05 Thread Josh Thompson

On Monday August 04, 2008, Andy Green wrote:
 AFAIK in hardware this should be possible -- BT audio comes in on VX
 digital interface of WM8753 and there should be a path to get in and out
 of that to RXN/P pair and MONO1/2 pair.

So, I found this:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem

Now, I'm starting to understand what a lot of those setting in alsamixer mean.  
Does anyone know how much of the ALSA Channels diagram has changed for the 
FR?

It seems there are 3 steps to getting a bluetooth headset to work for making 
calls.

1) connect the headset to the phone
2) route the audio correctly through the WM8753 so that it runs between the 
bluetooth device and the GSM.
3) configure the PCM coming from the WM8753 to be the right format for going 
to the bluetooth device.

Directions for step 1 seem to be here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Headset_Audio
Although, I'm not sure how the python script plays into things.

Direction for step 2 seem to be on the audio subsystem page listed above using 
the asound.state file 
(http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/%7Egg/neo1973/gsmbluetooth.state) as a 
starting point.

I guess step 3 is solved with the bluetooth_pcm.c file that is linked to on 
the same page.

Unfortunately, I don't have much time to work on this.  Hopefully, this will 
help someone else move things along.

Josh

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Re: Openmoko presentation

2008-08-05 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors

Interesting. Few comments:

1)

sudo echo foo  sources.list

does not work, you probably meant

sudo sh -c 'echo foo  sources.list'

or even

echo foo | sudo tee -a sources.list

2)

Could you setup source repository (deb-src) for openembedded-sonkei?
(If you are using reprepro I can help too). I usually don't want to
install anything unofficial to my debian system unless I have tested
that I can build the software with

sudo apt-get build-dep foo
fakeroot apt-get --build source foo

so that I don't accidentally start to rely on something I can't
rebuild if I hit a bug.

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

 You'll need something like the Alsa state file to configure internal
 routing to make the connections.

i tried the existing gta01 one, but it claimed some incompatibilites  
(besides the wrong naming in line 1) and did not help anything.


 AFAIK in hardware this should be possible -- BT audio comes in on VX
 digital interface of WM8753 and there should be a path to get in and out
 of that to RXN/P pair and MONO1/2 pair.

it's all bohemian villages to me as we in german say (i think, it's  
hekuba in shakespeare somewhere :-)

 It's actually an interesting test to do it... AFAIK nobody proved that
 whatever makes the buzz (RF coupling or direct conduction from PSU rail
 for example) does not infect Vref on the Codec, in which case more paths
 than the mic might be infected as well because their reference is.  So
 whether this is clean or not will be a clue.

i am willing to test -- but how to make the fr play w/ the headset is  
absolutely beyond my understanding.
i found alsa (and the whole audio stuff in fact) always pretty confusing  
and am happy if cp helps me with any related problems ...

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Michael Sheldon

Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Yorick Moko wrote:
 the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated 
 though
 
 I'm really glad Navit is getting the attention it deserves now.
 If anyone could make a new build (package) with the lastest version.
 And maybe even some gui improvements (tabed layout vs windowed, remove 
 menu bar) or maybe some config apps (editing naxit.xml) for selecting 
 maps. Or working speech integration.
 
 some ready built maps which integrate themselves in navit.xml would be 
 great too. updating maps via opkg seems like a good idea.

  I've uploaded a build of the latest stable version (0.04) to 
http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/

  Cheers,
   Mike.

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Re: nfs on ASU

2008-08-05 Thread Fredrik Wendt

Alex Kavanagh wrote:
 Fredrik Wendt wrote, On 05/08/08 14:43:
  Andy wrote:

  What workflow are you trying to achieve with NFS?  Unless you're
  changing large files a lot, scp to NAND or SD Card works well.
  
 
  I intend to mount my music share (NFS) when I'm at work (over wlan since
  GPRS will be to slow) and have my FR play my music over bt. When that
  works, I'll stop carrying my laptop to and from work/home. (I'll also
  need a bt keyboard and something running on top of libpurple, or use SSH
  + some magic to light up the screen to get my attention.)
 
  So, I'm glad that NFS is still supported in FSO. :)

 
 Is this for streaming media then?  Are you mounting your NFS share over
 the Internet (via a tunnel?) or is it just local?  I was musing about
 the possibility of using something like icecast to do something similar,
 but then there is the problem of controlling what you are listening to.
 

Currently I mount it directly off a public IP and let Rhythmbox read
from the local mount point. Works great.
I haven't got time yet to do something similar on the FR, but hopefully
next weekend I'll
- nfs mount
- start playing with my bluetooth headset (A2DP)

Currently I switch how I direct music using gconftool (on Ubuntu 8.04):
alias alsa-headset='gconftool -t string -s 
/system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink alsasink device=bluetooth'
alias alsa-spekears='gconftool -t string -s 
/system/gstreamer/0.10/default/musicaudiosink autoaudiosink'

/ Fredrik

PS. Move this off devel@ - not sure why I posted/replied to that list in
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Stroller


On 5 Aug 2008, at 13:56, Mikael Berthe wrote:

 I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my  
 freerunner the 18th
 of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news  
 about my
 order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!)

 I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this  
 web site.
 Did you receive your order ?

 I've ordered one too, I haven't received it.

 I complained and they suppposedly sent me another one, which I haven't
 received either (the 2nd one was reshipped on Jully 25th).

 They told me (by email) they were sending them via UPS with no  
 tracking,
 so there's nothing we can do to check the status :\

Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will  
give them a few more days.

Stroller.


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Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix

2008-08-05 Thread Al Johnson

On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Agreed. I've been trying to gather that information for the past little
 while. It's proven rather elusive, and I didn't want more people to try
 the hardware fix until we really understand what the software fix can
 do, so I thought I'd better ask for the test ASAP, and then continue
 working on the info.

 Andy, can you provide links to two kernels: one before, and one after
 the fix?

IIRC the first kernel to have the sd_drive and sd_idleclk fixes in was from 
20080723, but this seems to have been removed from the buildhost now. Or did 
you mean the fix to slow down the SD clock while GPS is enabled that was 
added Friday? In either case I think t can be configured to behave as it did 
before the fix by echoing the right variables into /sys/wherever and 
accessing the SD card.

 The test will consist something like

 cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GPGGA

 and then time it until it gets a fix. I'll be more specific.

For a bit more consistency of timing, less manual intervention, and enough 
readings to get an idea of the run to run variation in that location, can I 
suggest a script? It could do with a timeout when waiting for a fix since 
with deivestrength 3 and idleclk 1 this can take a _very_ long time, possibly 
forever in some locations!

#!/bin/sh
PASSES=10
TTFF=

get_ttf() {
  echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
  TTFF=`(time grep GPRMC,[0-9\.]*,A, -m 1 /dev/ttySAC1) 21 |grep real`
  echo 0  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
  echo $DRIVESTRENGTH $IDLECLK $TTFF
  sleep 20
}

echo d i time
until [ $PASSES -eq 0 ]
do
  for DRIVESTRENGTH in 0 1 2 3
  do
for IDLECLK in 0 1
do
  #echo testing drive strength $DRIVESTRENGTH and clock idle $IDLECLK
  echo $DRIVESTRENGTH  /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
  echo $IDLECLK  /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_idleclk
  touch /media/card/gpstest
  sync
  get_ttf
done
  done
  PASSES=$(($PASSES-1))
done

 Perhaps I'll set up a wiki page for this.

 Michael

 Josh Thompson wrote:
  Could we get a link to some image files to use for this testing?  I'm not
  quite sure when Andy's fix made it in the kernel.  It would also help
  standardize the tests if we all use the same images.
 
  Josh
 
  On Mon August 4 2008 7:29:17 pm Michael Shiloh wrote:
  Before we conclude that the hardware fix is required, we'd really like
  to gather a lot of statistics from you about the behavior of the
  software fix. We have been able to test in only a limited number of
  locations, and a limited number of phones.
 
  We'd like to ask you to run some tests and report back the TTFF in each
  case:
 
  1. Prior to Andy's software fix
  1a. Without SD card
  1b. With SD card
 
  2. Using Andy's software fix
  2a. Without SD card
  2b. With SD card
 
  Preferably run this test in multiple locations.
 
  Results should be reported on a wiki page, which should include your
  location (so we can assess other influences e.g. satellite elevation and
  weather conditions)
 
  Thanks,
  Michael
 
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Re: usb receptables from old motherboard = gender changer = usb host cable?

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| However, usb devices don't seem to work. Even the simplest USB
| extension cable with LED does not turn its LED on. Any idea how I
| should debug this further? I am using

If that LED comes on when the device is enumerated, you need the green
and white the right way around just in case they aren't.

Everything else looks reasonable.  ID won't make trouble.

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Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

2008-08-05 Thread -stacy

Andy Green wrote:

 About the 600sec thing, you can get the GPS chip to report 4 times a
 second instead of once a second, maybe that can be to do with it.  But
 it is strange, noticing the heavy filtering on our results I wonder if a
 lot of those samples coming so quickly were actually synthetic.

It would seem that they are synthetic and have to do with how GPSD 
parses and interprets NMEA sentences. The other two reference receivers 
are put in SiRF mode and don't seem to suffer this effect. Has anyone 
figured out how to kick the GPS receiver into UBX mode? I would be 
curious to see if that changes anything.

 For the last result, it seems to show only 2 / 2500 results from GPS are
 within 20 Million meters of the location.  It's hard to square that with
 the other decent results that have been reported for tracking, including
 ones pulling maps from SD Card, although I guess you are spamming the
 card as hard as you can for this test.

It seems that gpsprof gets a value of 10,000,000,000 for NaN and doesn't 
check if lat/long values are in range before calculating the average. It 
doesn't take very many 10 Billion values to really screw up the average 
:-) I modified gpsprof to toss out invalid lat/long values.

 What actually happened when gpsd died?  With that and the extreme nature
 of the last result I wonder if something else goes on.
 
 One last thing, the voltage scaling and clock rate reduction patches
 aren't in the kernel you used, they should be around in tomorrow's
 packages: if you have 600 sec to spare it would be interesting to see if
 they made any change :-)

Additional test results (from 20080802) are up at 
http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/gpstale.html

I did some more testing yesterday after compiling the latest version of 
GPSD for the FreeRunner (it no longer dies when I spam the SDCard... 
that's progress :-) but have not yet got the results pulled together.

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Re: Navit?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Yorick Moko wrote:
 the ipk from http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t/ is outdated 
 though

 I'm really glad Navit is getting the attention it deserves now.
 If anyone could make a new build (package) with the lastest version.
 And maybe even some gui improvements (tabed layout vs windowed, remove
 menu bar) or maybe some config apps (editing naxit.xml) for selecting
 maps. Or working speech integration.

 some ready built maps which integrate themselves in navit.xml would be
 great too. updating maps via opkg seems like a good idea.

  I've uploaded a build of the latest stable version (0.04) to
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/

  Cheers,
   Mike.

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Thanks but i get this error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share/applications# opkg remove navit
Removing package navit from root...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share/applications# opkg install
http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (navit and navit) providing same name marked HOLD or
PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (navit and navit) providing same name marked HOLD or
PREFER.  Using latest.
Installing navit (0.1.0+svnrev1241-r0) to root...
Downloading 
http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.1.0+svnrev1241-r0_armv4t.ipk
Configuring navit

this installs another version of navit that does not start when I press it

when i remove the rabenfrost.net feed and do an opkg update i get and
md5sum mismatch:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# cp celtune-rabenfrost.conf /home/root/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# rm celtune-rabenfrost.conf
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg update
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg install
http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/navit_0.0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk
Multiple packages (navit and navit) providing same name marked HOLD or
PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (navit and navit) providing same name marked HOLD or
PREFER.  Using latest.
Installing navit (0.0.4-r0) to root...
Collected errors:
 * Package navit md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index
are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.


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Re: Pulsters outstanding orders

2008-08-05 Thread Måns Malmberg


 Does anyone received his Freerunner from Pulsters?

Yes, I ordered 4 of them and even though it took a while they did arrive 
and I got the phones.

 I'm waiting 1 1/2week, since Pulster received the Freerunners from the Fab 
 (was 25.08.2008).

Delivery to northern Sweden took approximately a week.

 But every day which passes without receiving, i think, what does this man do, 
 while
 he should pack the FR's and send it to its owner. I don't trust him anymore.. 
 At the beginning 
 of last week, he mailed The Freerunners comes at the week. Nothing. This 
 week they will be send monday. Nothing (no track id or mail reladed to the 
 sending process).

After I got a mail stating that they would send my the phones it took a 
couple of days before I got tracking number for my parcel. The tracking 
number was rather useless since the tracking service did not update its 
status more than once during the delivery.

 So what should i do? 

Wait just a little bit longer. I think you will get your device even if 
the waiting feels long.



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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Jay Vaughan

 I don't think that this is necessarily the case.  OM people have  
 lots of
 fish to fry and writing a acceleration code running inside the Glamo
 probably isn't *the* most important thing to be working on.  Getting  
 the
 core kernel, device libraries and some application software working  
 IMHO
 *is* the most important thing.


The thing is though, these sorts of things can be done by people who  
haven't signed an NDA to get access to the docs.  It makes no sense to  
me that the only people who can do something about the pitiable Glamo  
situation are instead worrying about other stuff that the rest of the  
community, unencumbered by NDA's, can handle ..

 I think you might be shooting the wrong people here.  S.Media are the
 'bad' guys as they won't/can't provide the documentation.  However, if
 this were always the case then maybe the Glamo was a poor choice.
 However, I imagine that it *was* the right decision _at_the_time_ the
 decision was made; everything is clearer with hindsight and everybody
 *thinks* they would've made a better decision.


Sure, sure.  I just wish that the most pressing issues of non- 
operating hardware were being properly addressed.  I don't think its  
cool to buy a phone that has features that go unused, just because  
we've got an NDA situation going on.  We in the Open Source community  
can route around that damage, and it seems the only way to handle that  
right now is if the 'official' folks in OpenMoko address the issue.

It would be a terrible shame if, after all the 'more important work'  
gets done, Glamo gets ignored because 'now its time to build new  
hardware'.  I think it'd be rotten, in fact.

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Re: Navit?

2008-08-05 Thread Tilman Baumann

Michael Sheldon wrote:
   I've uploaded a build of the latest stable version (0.04) to 
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/ipk/armv4t/

You should give it a higher version than the one from aiurlano to make 
upgrading possible.


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Re: Pulsters outstanding orders

2008-08-05 Thread Christian Weßel

I got neither the sending mail nor my ordered FR. Just a conformation
mail at the beginning of last week with the delivery statement for 'this
week'. Now it is Tuesday and my postman avoid my box.

So, I still have to wait :-(.


christian

Am Dienstag, den 05.08.2008, 13:54 +0200 schrieb Carcinoma:
 NOW! i received the information about the Sending.
 
 So i hope...
 
 
  Carci
 
  Original-Nachricht 
  Datum: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:39:39 +0200
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   Does anyone received his Freerunner from Pulsters? 
   
   I'm waiting 1 1/2week, since Pulster received the Freerunners from the
  Fab (was 25.08.2008). 
   
  
  Pulster is receiving stock of Phone. The problem is that there was a
  very big ammount of request, and Openmoko factory need time to produce
  all the FR.
  
  
  
  For example today I read that Openmoko is giving all Openmoko that is
  able to produce to their distributor (like Pulster, Trisoft) giving
  priority to them respect to his shop.
  
   But every day which passes without receiving, i think, what does this
  man do, while 
   he should pack the FR's and send it to its owner. I don't trust him
  anymore. At the beginning 
   of last week, he mailed The Freerunners comes at the week. Nothing.
  This week they will be send monday. Nothing (no track id or mail reladed 
  to
  the sending process). 
  
  I don't think he is doing nothing all the day. The request was bigger
  than prevented and so the only thing we can do is only to wait.
  
   So what should i do? 
   Today I'm waiting to long. Looking to the process at the wiki,
  mailinglist and so on will make me more unhappy. 
   
   !!! Pulster when does you send me my Freerunner? !!! 
  
  I think when I had the possibility.
  
  Ps. I think there is a bit of lack of communication between Pulster /
  Openmoko and all the customers, but I am sure they are tring to do all
  is possible to solve all the problems.
  
   
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Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

Thanks for your work Stacy.

| About the 600sec thing, you can get the GPS chip to report 4 times a
| second instead of once a second, maybe that can be to do with it.  But
| it is strange, noticing the heavy filtering on our results I wonder if a
| lot of those samples coming so quickly were actually synthetic.
|
| It would seem that they are synthetic and have to do with how GPSD
| parses and interprets NMEA sentences. The other two reference receivers
| are put in SiRF mode and don't seem to suffer this effect. Has anyone
| figured out how to kick the GPS receiver into UBX mode? I would be
| curious to see if that changes anything.

It's actually documented by Ublox in here (Okular eats it)

http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_Protocol_Specification(GPS.G3-X-03002).chm

Here's a UBX packet generator in Bash

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003782.html

and here is how to inject the packets from Ash

echo 0  /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron 
sleep 1s  echo 1 
/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron  stty -F
/dev/ttySAC1 -echo  cat MY-UBX-PACKET /dev/ttySAC1  cat -u
/dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$

| For the last result, it seems to show only 2 / 2500 results from GPS are
| within 20 Million meters of the location.  It's hard to square that with
| the other decent results that have been reported for tracking, including
| ones pulling maps from SD Card, although I guess you are spamming the
| card as hard as you can for this test.
|
| It seems that gpsprof gets a value of 10,000,000,000 for NaN and doesn't
| check if lat/long values are in range before calculating the average. It
| doesn't take very many 10 Billion values to really screw up the average
| :-) I modified gpsprof to toss out invalid lat/long values.

OK makes a lot of sense :-)

| Additional test results (from 20080802) are up at
| http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/gpstale.html
|
| I did some more testing yesterday after compiling the latest version of
| GPSD for the FreeRunner (it no longer dies when I spam the SDCard...
| that's progress :-) but have not yet got the results pulled together.

Doesn't look a million miles away from being right... there are two
outliers shown and I guess the filtered  NaN(s), but basically all the
other samples are in a decent place.

- -Andy
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Re: Third request: what is the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-05 Thread Lally Singh

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Lally Singh:

 The warranty is also bugging me.

 Is there anywhere else I could get one?  Or would OM be willing to
 sell an extended warranty for a bit more $$?

 Our sales and marketing both are in US working on this now, no extended
 warranty yet.

If one's coming, and I don't get a dead FR before that, that's good :-)

Please, I'd like to emphasize again, that it's a *real* issue for me.
I can hack the software stack day and night (and I'd like to do some
work to make it easier for others to do the same), but dead HW is no
good.


 Or at least a cheap spare parts program?  I don't mind swapping out
 parts if they're available at reasonable prices.


 We might have spare part or re-work package, but still under discussion.
 What spare part you need?

My 10-pack order group just got the 10th member, so I haven't even put
an order in yet.  I'd just like the parts to be available so I don't
have to shell out another $400 if something screws up.

Even if they're the working parts cannibalized from dead RMA'd FRs,
I'm fine with that.  Especially if it made the parts cheaper.



-- 
H. Lally Singh
Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science
Virginia Tech

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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?

2008-08-05 Thread Christophe Badoit

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Julien Cassignol a écrit :
 On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Cédric DUFOUIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe it can help if people says in which country they are.

 I'm in France
 
 French aswell, ordered two and a half week ago, still didn't receive a
 thing despite the fact that I did receive the shipping confirmation
 (two days after my order).
 

French too.

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Re: cpu-speed limitations



Jay Vaughan wrote, On 05/08/08 16:32:
 I don't think that this is necessarily the case.  OM people have  
 lots of
 fish to fry and writing a acceleration code running inside the Glamo
 probably isn't *the* most important thing to be working on.  Getting  
 the
 core kernel, device libraries and some application software working  
 IMHO
 *is* the most important thing.

 

 The thing is though, these sorts of things can be done by people who  
 haven't signed an NDA to get access to the docs. 

I'm not so sure that they can.  The various issues do actually seem to
need OpenMoko staff to solve them.  Look at all the work Andy is putting
into solve GPS issues, kernel issues, etc.  And Joerg on the GSM
issues.  I don't think that OM have enough staff to do all of the that
and write Glamo code.
  It makes no sense to  
 me that the only people who can do something about the pitiable Glamo  
 situation are instead worrying about other stuff that the rest of the  
 community, unencumbered by NDA's, can handle ..

   
 I think you might be shooting the wrong people here.  S.Media are the
 'bad' guys as they won't/can't provide the documentation.  However, if
 this were always the case then maybe the Glamo was a poor choice.
 However, I imagine that it *was* the right decision _at_the_time_ the
 decision was made; everything is clearer with hindsight and everybody
 *thinks* they would've made a better decision.
 


 Sure, sure.  I just wish that the most pressing issues of non- 
 operating hardware were being properly addressed.  I don't think its  
 cool to buy a phone that has features that go unused, just because  
 we've got an NDA situation going on.  We in the Open Source community  
 can route around that damage, and it seems the only way to handle that  
 right now is if the 'official' folks in OpenMoko address the issue.

 It would be a terrible shame if, after all the 'more important work'  
 gets done, Glamo gets ignored because 'now its time to build new  
 hardware'.  I think it'd be rotten, in fact.
   

I'd agree with that, if that happens - but that hasn't happened yet. 
You're imagining the worst possible outcome here? Perhaps I'm too
naive.  Although I can imagine a scenario where the OM team would move
quickly onto the GTA03 once the GTA02 is 'good enough', the community
can keep the pressure up to 'do' something with the glamo chip when the
other issues on the GTA02 have been solved.

Is the glamo graphics stuff the 'most important' thing that should be
done?  i.e. in firmware on the glamo chip?  The qtopia image (which uses
a framebuffer?) seems to get reasonably good performance without
anything extra.  Maybe just a bit more work needs to be done in the
Xserver to stop it doing 'expensive' ops (as Raster suggested?) rather
than full on acceleration in the chip.  This is something that could be
done in the community.  Complex stuff, either way.

-- 
Alex.


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Re: alarm clock for 2007.2?

2008-08-05 Thread Steven **

I've tried repeatedly to build that and have always failed.  I would
jump for joy if someone is able to compile it.  Even better if that
person releases an ipkg.

-Steven

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I found this:  http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ringer/

 But so far I've not been able to build it. Let me know if you succeed
 (or create an ipk)

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Re: cpu-speed limitations

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry


 Is the glamo graphics stuff the 'most important' thing that should be
 done?  
No, but I don't think it should be ignored. If there are a limited 
number of people with the authority/ability to do this then I think 
that's where their attention needs to be focused. 'Graphics stuff' might 
seem like polish but a smooth and responsive interface would totally 
transform the Freerunner as a palmtop device.
 i.e. in firmware on the glamo chip?  The qtopia image (which uses
 a framebuffer?) seems to get reasonably good performance without
 anything extra.  
It's reasonably good, but not great. You'd never get compositing without 
hardware acceleration (hey, I can dream can't I? ;) )

Aaron

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Re: any update on GSM interference issue

2008-08-05 Thread Al Johnson

On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Josh Thompson wrote:
 On Monday August 04, 2008, Andy Green wrote:
  AFAIK in hardware this should be possible -- BT audio comes in on VX
  digital interface of WM8753 and there should be a path to get in and out
  of that to RXN/P pair and MONO1/2 pair.

 So, I found this:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem

 Now, I'm starting to understand what a lot of those setting in alsamixer
 mean. Does anyone know how much of the ALSA Channels diagram has changed
 for the FR?

I drew up the ALSA Channels referring to the FR as I thought the audio 
subsystems were more or less identical. If there are differences then it 
should be moved to a different page, or the differences noted, but I don't 
have a Neo1973 so I can't check.


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