[ogsmd] Out-of-spec GSM number - who should I report to?
Hi, I am seeing this error: Jan 7 09:08:52 debian-gta02 2009.01.07 09:08:52 ogsmdWARNING Out-of-spec GSM number type seen: 160. Please report. I would like to report this, but where? What extra information would be of interest? Gyelt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Seeling my Freerunner on Ebay
feydreva wrote: Hello, I just bought an another phone, so I am selling my Freeruner on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=270326829135 Starting bid is 100$, no reserve, free shipping. Phone is like new, it always had a zack invisible shield for the full body and for the screen. Headset have never been used, and it comes with the pouch. (i lost the stylus long time ago). I can provide more picture and more info in request. At the moment, it is loaded with the 2008.12 version of software. Regards Philippe You forgot to say whether this was the 850 or 900 model. From the fact that the phone is located in the US, I'm assuming it's the 850 model. Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
I see you have already create a ipk and put it on opkg.org ! I am impressed by the reactivity of the openmoko community ! Opensource projects rocks ! Thanks again ! 2009/1/6 Angus Ainslie angus.ains...@gmail.com I'll try to put an opkg together today. Anyone talented with the gimp feel like making an icon for it ? Angus -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
meeting in Braunschweig
Hi, yesterday, we (Mickey, Daniel, Jan, Stefan, Ray and me) sat together in Braunschweig to discuss the next steps regarding the builds / images / feeds / 2.6.28 / etc. Here is the summary of the outcome: = latest / experimental package feed * This feed contains the latest version (autorev) of specific packages such as the framework, paroli, others? for developers. * Ray will decide what name is going to be used for this feed. = unstable images / package feed * All necessary build information come from OE upstream except for a few minor customization as repository URLs, additional packages, etc but no autorev. * Images is built only with a release of a new FSO milestone which will be tagged in the OE tree. Packages are built every day and offered via the feed. = testing images / packages feed * At some point prior to the release (e.g. 2 months) the testing branch forks from OE. It will contain Openmoko customizations and cherry picked fixes from upstream. * Until then the current testing builds will be suspended. = stable images / packages feed * Once the testing branch is bug free enough it will be declared stable. Maintenance fixes can go into this branch. = build location * Ray needs to find a workable compromise for all parties involved (building in Taipeh or in a data center). = build frontend * Outside parties want to know the status of the builds / versions / build errors. * Ray tries to get familiar with oestats / tinderbox. In the first step he will upload our build information to http://tinderbox.openembedded.net until he configured an oestats machine. = 2.6.28 * Framework already supports both kernels (.24 .28). * Next FSO milestone will come with support for both kernels. If .28 proves to be stable enough in the coming weeks .24 support may be removed immediately. = misc: * Remove OM bitbake (features went upstream according to Holger). * Ray will write a detailed announcement to explain how to get $your_package included in the OM repositories as OM is going to shutdown the (binary only) community repository. * Future releases will use a distro-update package to update the machines of the existing user base. Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'
I like the idea. Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i have a similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful. -Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55 À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand' I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/ At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03 8598.html Christopher Friedt wrote: Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that would just clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973, so that you could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a comfortable angle? Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :) Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets since the N770. In the mean time, I'm sure I can work out something using a small triangular piece of wood, crazy glue, a slice from my girlfriend's yoga mat, and velcro :) C ___ devel mailing list de...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Indian FR Owners
Hi all, I'm sure there are about 100-200 of us (Indian FR Owners) out there. Atleast it appears so from what Rakshat of IDA systems tells us. The wiki though, shows not that many. I'm guessing most of us would be lurkers on this list. Anybody interested in a meetup to discuss what all we've 'done' / 'not-done' / 'plan to do' and 'cried over for' with the FR? I'm in Gurgaon and would be happy to help organise one for NCR. Please reply of-list in case you are interested. For the other cities, please mail me or update wiki so that we get the Indian Chapter of FR owners up and running. - Vibhav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.testing] GPS after resume
On Monday 05 January 2009, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2009/1/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk: Yes, and I think ogpsd is supposed to do this. Almanac and ephemeris is saved when preparing for suspend, and loaded on resume, along with current time. If things haven't changed too much while suspend then resume should be faster than from cold. Is this only available in FSO? i.e. not 2008.12? It's in FSO, SHR and Debian, and according to another thread it is an option in the testing branch of 2008.x though I haven't checked that myself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dying battery
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 2:26:00 pm The Digital Pioneer wrote: GTA02 with SHR and mwester kernel. How often does mwester release a new kernel? Maybe it could use updating... I think that's a userspace work around to issue: AT%SLEEP=2 to the modem, not a kernel fix. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Newbee need direction
Hello Im a newbee. And would love some help to get in the right direction. I have looked in to pascal(not very useful but good fun) and java(really basic) when I was in school but that was a few years ago. Im most intrested in developing small useful application for the freerunner and as a sideproject will look in to making apps for the Iphone but that is a side project since I dont have a Iphone yet and its a diffrent story. Should I start with the developers guide on the openmoko.org or go and buy a book? Any learn to sites on the web? What lanugare should I start with? Does it matter what OS im using on my computer? Im using Ubuntu 8.10. Im so close to give it up now :-(. I have read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide but its many roads and I seem to get lost or stuck every where I go. /Robin Häggqvist Robin recommends: http://openoffice.org * http://gimp.org * http://avast.com * http://gmail.com * http://cdburnerxp.se * http://7-zip.org * http://realvnc.com/ or http://www.ubuntu-se.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
Hi, I've tried installing Bt-gps on an FSO installation and get this error . . . * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for bt-gps: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * . . . any clues? thanks -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-SHR-Debian--Update-to-BtGPS.py-tp2115482p2121837.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee need direction
2009/1/7 Robin Häggqvist robin.haggqv...@gmail.com: Hello Im a newbee. And would love some help to get in the right direction. I have looked in to pascal(not very useful but good fun) and java(really basic) when I was in school but that was a few years ago. Im most intrested in developing small useful application for the freerunner I suggest starting by describing your proposed application here. I'm sure people will make comments and suggestions that will allow you to develop the specification and design. What lanugare should I start with? Probably C or Python - but you don't necessarily need to worry about that yet anyway. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Seeling my Freerunner on Ebay
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: feydreva wrote: Hello, I just bought an another phone, so I am selling my Freeruner on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=270326829135 Starting bid is 100$, no reserve, free shipping. Phone is like new, it always had a zack invisible shield for the full body and for the screen. Headset have never been used, and it comes with the pouch. (i lost the stylus long time ago). I can provide more picture and more info in request. At the moment, it is loaded with the 2008.12 version of software. Regards Philippe You forgot to say whether this was the 850 or 900 model. From the fact that the phone is located in the US, I'm assuming it's the 850 model. Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you run this 850MHz phone in EU, it should work on both 1800/1900 even if 850 can't reach any BTS, right ? -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Indian FR Owners
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Vibhav Sharma khoonir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm sure there are about 100-200 of us (Indian FR Owners) out there. Atleast it appears so from what Rakshat of IDA systems tells us. Closer to 100 than 200. We have sold just over 100 but some have been exported. If you get this organized, we will give a free extra battery to all the participants. Also depending on the date, Zoheb, our marketing manager may also be able to attend in NCR. Rakshat PS - IDA will also be displaying the Freerunner at techfest IIT Mumbai ( techfest.org) - more details on that later. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO-SHR]sms-sentry : questions
Hi all, hi Angus Thanks for putting sms-sentry in the opkg database. I have just installed it, and downloaded the sources. http://handheldshell.com/software/fso/sms-sentry.ph I have one question : in the file sms-sentry.default, there is: PASSWORD=12345 but I haven't seen the use of this password in the python nor the sh file. Could you please tell us how to use the password ? Thanks in advance By the way, there is another project dealing with actions commited by sms reception = sms-middleware http://code.google.com/p/sms-middleware/ There is a plugin which seems to do the same as sms-sentry http://code.google.com/p/sms-middleware/wiki/GPSPositionRequest But the link to dowload the python file is dead. Is it the same project or are theses 2 completely different ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: meeting in Braunschweig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | = 2.6.28 | * Framework already supports both kernels (.24 .28). | * Next FSO milestone will come with support for both kernels. If .28 proves to | be stable enough in the coming weeks .24 support may be removed immediately. That's really good news. Are andy-tracking kernel packages autobuilt and made public anywhere yet? What would good advice look like for people on existing rootfs to try those packages? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklkqS4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqCaQCeOe3CY03oQeRq6ndVlKCAUKLx 5P8AnRyjAVYxEf/xf6UUL59dYuSIv8iI =6uQc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko and Arduino, a good team
Since I know about Openmoko project I always see it like a perfect brain, HMI interface and communication platform but it lacks of I/O, sensors interfaces to create an high end and versatile FreeSource? based embedded solution to control machines, but then I know about Arduino (external link). Since then I saw they was born to be together and I'm not the only one. Miguel Ángel Vílchez López has made a video where a Neo Freerunner interface a Arduino board to control a servo through Neo's accelerometers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOBWSrI14BM In addition he has created a project called MokArdu where he has published the code and pretends to be a place to concentrate the efforts to create libraries and developments joining this to marvels . http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokardu/ -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400 Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dying battery
On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Chris Samuel wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 2:26:00 pm The Digital Pioneer wrote: GTA02 with SHR and mwester kernel. How often does mwester release a new kernel? Maybe it could use updating... I think that's a userspace work around to issue: AT%SLEEP=2 to the modem, not a kernel fix. There is a parameter to control this in /etc/frameworkd.conf but I think SHR applies it by default. There is a section that should look something like this: [ogsmd] modemtype = ti_calypso ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never The second parameter controls whether ogsmd uses the AT%SLEEP=2 workaround permanently (deep_sleep = never) or if it uses it only when it detects #1024 type behaviour (deep_sleep = auto? check the source...) In FSO the autodetection is default (parameter not present in config), but I think SHR adds the parameter to their config file. I don't think this is the problem though. I have seen this happen while using the parameter above, and with debug logging of frameworkd enabled to confirm #1024 wasn't happening. I suspect either incorrect battery level indication in the GUI, some runaway process eating CPU, or some other cause of power hogging. Sadly I haven't been able to track it down yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Mediaplayer
2009/1/6 Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com: can you share your python app for switching the profiles? Actually no, since I've just extended the mokoservices.py from freeyourphone.de forums (http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295), and there is no indication that the script would be public domain or free software. So I can't distribute the changed version unless the author has somewhere publicly stated that the script is indeed actually GPL'd or public domain. Anyway, I've basically just added a few GTK buttons to the script, for example: --- # music profile button = gtk.Button(music) button.connect(clicked, self.musicprofile,musicprofile) table.attach(button, 2, 3, 2, 3,xoptions=gtk.EXPAND, yoptions=gtk.EXPAND ) button.show() --- ...with callbacks which simply call scripts in the home dir /home/root: --- def musicprofile(self,button,data): output=subprocess.Popen([sh,/home/root/m], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).c ommunicate()[0] def phoneprofile(self,button,data): output=subprocess.Popen([sh,/home/root/p], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).c ommunicate()[0] def speakerprofile(self,button,data): output=subprocess.Popen([sh,/home/root/s], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).c ommunicate()[0] --- The scripts are, in order, just: m: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore p: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore s: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state restore These huge efforts are in public domain on my behalf ;) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:50:03 +0100 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com (K) wrote: I see you have already create a ipk and put it on opkg.org ! I am impressed by the reactivity of the openmoko community ! Opensource projects rocks ! uff, and also for the pyring program! You really rock, Angus! the pydes.py got installed into /usr/lib/python-2.5/site-packages instead of /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages but this is minor..., mv did the job :) thanks a million -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Zhone frequent wake
Thank you for your help and sorry I did not get it the first time around. After much digging, I found that frameworkd is, in fact, sending the correct commands to the modem when suspend is called on the framework. The problem on my system was that apm -s was being invoked directly in rules.yaml instead if Suspend(). After fixing that, power button suspend is working great. This leads to a follow-up question. Does anyone know if it is possible to easily change (i.e., without re-compiling) the way enlightenment/illume suspends? The power management through enlightenment seems to still use apm -s instead of the framework. It would be nice to have the automatic suspend working as well. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:33 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: understand why it would be necessary to change the way suspend is activated as I think you may be suggesting. not the way, suspend is activated but the activities executed when suspending. you could simply add the four commands before the call to apm -s. of course you would need to reset the commands' results on resume. last time i checked fso calling apm -s did not exectute the files in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ (and resume.d on resume), so you need to make sure, that upon suspend these commands are executed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
Hi all, Help! My USB connector on my Freerunner is broken or worn out or I don't know what but I'm not able to boot or charge at all. When I fiddle a bit with the plug (charger or USB data cable with power) I can hear the speaker cracking and sometimes the red LED lights up, so its definitively the connector inside the Freerunner GTA02 6. What is the best thing to do? Do I have guarantee on this? Do I loose guarantee when I open up the device myself? Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Indian FR Owners
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:33:47 +0530 Vibhav Sharma khoonir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm sure there are about 100-200 of us (Indian FR Owners) out there. Atleast it appears so from what Rakshat of IDA systems tells us. [...] I'm in Gurgaon and would be happy to help organise one for NCR. Please reply of-list in case you are interested. [...] I have a Neo 1973, but not a FreeRunner. Will probably invest in the next version. A meeting of people in the NCR region would be good, and if needed, we can offer space for this either at Srijan Technologies in Nehru Place, or at Sarai, CSDS, in North Delhi (between ISBT, and Delhi University, and accessible by metro). Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Help! My USB connector on my Freerunner is broken or worn out or I don't know what but I'm not able to boot or charge at all. Either that, or your battery is _very_ empty. It gives almost the same signs. Leave it alone with the charger in it for a couple of hours, then try to boot again. HTH! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:13 AM, qhaz q...@bur.st wrote: Hi, I've tried installing Bt-gps on an FSO installation and get this error . . . * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for bt-gps: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Is python-pygtk installed ? -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
When I 'wiggle' the connector the speaker cracks and the red LED blinks 2 times or 3 times of 4 times and that is that. I'll leave it again for a few hours. Really annoying that it won't boot with empty battery or without a battery :( Yesterday I also had a really bad connection with external USB keyboard. I thought it was the interndiate USB B - USB A converter but now I think it is really the Freerunner... Christ van Willegen wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Help! My USB connector on my Freerunner is broken or worn out or I don't know what but I'm not able to boot or charge at all. Either that, or your battery is _very_ empty. It gives almost the same signs. Leave it alone with the charger in it for a couple of hours, then try to boot again. HTH! Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
El día Wednesday, January 07, 2009 a las 04:14:07PM +0100, Pander escribió: When I 'wiggle' the connector the speaker cracks and the red LED blinks 2 times or 3 times of 4 times and that is that. I'll leave it again for a few hours. Really annoying that it won't boot with empty battery or without a battery :( Yesterday I also had a really bad connection with external USB keyboard. I thought it was the interndiate USB B - USB A converter but now I think it is really the Freerunner... What you say brings me to question I have already for weeks: When I plug-in the USB connector into the FR the black part of the USB connector does not reach the cover of the FR, there is a small distance of about 1.5mm, and one can move the connector a bit in the direction to the suspend button or external antenna connector... is that normal? I don't remember if that was already from the beginning, or not; I think this is at least a weak point and could cause damage to the electric part of the connector; Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ SPAMer of the year: Subject: Alle Software ist Deutsche Sprachen From: -40 % die Neujahrsaktion gabriellekel...@grungecafe.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
i'd rather not. 1. trollt.. err.. nokia deserve thanks for the core inspiration and initial work on their one - i didn't know how the code worked until later but i nutted out how it probably should work just by poking at it. so if anyone deserves a patent - it's them. 2. i'd rather this be well publicised and out there code in the public eye - so the idea is widespread and well known - thus serves as prior art pretty much making it impossible for someone to come along and patent the idea and make things a pain. get the ideas out there in code - in the public eye with a trail of history so it's available for everyone to see and use. if someone implements a better kbd but steals the same idea - i'm sticking my thumbs up going good on-ya mate! i want users and the community to benefit. 3. i fundamentally disagree with software patents - or at least the way they have been implemented. the vast majority i have seen are neither novel nor non-obvious to someone skilled in the art. most are incredibly mundane straightforward things to someone skilled in the art and the system has been abused to further greed and misplace credit in the hands of those with more lawyers, not those who innovate the most or the best. be that as it may - the system is there and we are stuck with it. i'm not a crusader trying to bring it down - i don't have the time. got code to write and ideas to make happen :) but i hope in my little way i can shake my fist at the system and go here... prior art. take that!. i'll let others fight the good fight in trying to reform the patent system. i'm just rattling my chains and moaning in my corner... 'brains! brains! braiins! need moore brains!' :) Raster... you are my new hero. It's not the first time I've heard this kind of argument (Andrew Tridgell made a very similar argument at a CLUG meeting some time ago) and I completely agree with you. Good work on the keyboard, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: it's cool, you should really patent it! :-))) Please die a slow and painful death for suggesting that. [1] Rui [1] unless you were really just making a very bad taste joke :) Of course it was [1]... T9 is quite emblematic for software patents and patents in general: someone patents something which is really nothing revolutionary, the effort to produce such an invention is really low, but nobody can come-up with something similar for the fear of being sued. If you look at the patent itself (wikipedia says: http://www.google.com/patents?id=PmgCEBAJ) you see it's 27 pages of pointless diagrams and 7 pages of a very vague description of how a reduced keyboard disambiguating computer. At a very fast lecture, the patent might not even apply to our case, since it says: The keyboard has twelve keys, nine of them labeled with numerous letters and other symbols, and those nine plus one more are labeled each with one of the ten digits. It seems if your keyboard doesn't have 12 keys you're safe. I wouldn't be surprised if T2-T26 would be patented too.. leonardo. [1] don't agree on the very bad part anyway.. :-) -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
2009/1/7 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de El día Wednesday, January 07, 2009 a las 04:14:07PM +0100, Pander escribió: When I 'wiggle' the connector the speaker cracks and the red LED blinks 2 times or 3 times of 4 times and that is that. I'll leave it again for a few hours. Really annoying that it won't boot with empty battery or without a battery :( Yesterday I also had a really bad connection with external USB keyboard. I thought it was the interndiate USB B - USB A converter but now I think it is really the Freerunner... What you say brings me to question I have already for weeks: When I plug-in the USB connector into the FR the black part of the USB connector does not reach the cover of the FR, there is a small distance of about 1.5mm, and one can move the connector a bit in the direction to the suspend button or external antenna connector... is that normal? I don't remember if that was already from the beginning, or not; I think this is at least a weak point and could cause damage to the electric part of the connector; Thx matthias the USB connector had never reached the case of the FreeRunner and the connector can only make little movements, this with the USB cable's jack and with the wall charger's jack too. Although, I've just buyed a car charger (Motorola Fast Rate Car Chrager P510) wich has a mini-USB connector. This connector is harder to push into the FreeRunner and the connector seams to go deeper. I think is not a problem, also standard USB connectos behave in that way. Have a nice day! Meluste :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Wednesday, January 07, 2009 a las 04:14:07PM +0100, Pander escribió: When I 'wiggle' the connector the speaker cracks and the red LED blinks 2 times or 3 times of 4 times and that is that. I'll leave it again for a few hours. Really annoying that it won't boot with empty battery or without a battery :( Yesterday I also had a really bad connection with external USB keyboard. I thought it was the interndiate USB B - USB A converter but now I think it is really the Freerunner... What you say brings me to question I have already for weeks: When I plug-in the USB connector into the FR the black part of the USB connector does not reach the cover of the FR, there is a small distance of about 1.5mm, and one can move the connector a bit in the direction to the suspend button or external antenna connector... is that normal? I don't remember if that was already from the beginning, or not; I think this is at least a weak point and could cause damage to the electric part of the connector; I agree this should be more robust. Perhaps fitting a normal USB connector would not only decrease the breakdown risk but also improve connectability with normal USB devices. Thx matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call for Illume keyboards and keyboard icons
Pander wrote: Hi Helge, Nice icon! By the way, the 'contention' so far is to use the ABC overlay for alphanumeric keyboard and the QWERTY overlay for terminal keyboards. I thought you've made a terminal keyboard, or do you have both now? Of course you are free to choose the icon yourself, but for users to know what to expect, using the convention can have advantages. I didn't know the convention. I made a terminal keyboard because that is what I use most, and I have my doubts about dictionaries. The reason I used the ABC overlay was simple - the QWERTY overlay obscured so much of the flag, it was hard to see what flag it is. Maybe it can be made more transparent, or use QWERTY written with a thinner/smaller font? Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
Maybe it would be better to have a full-screen input mode where you can see what will be typed (maybe keep the rightmost 20-30 characters of the string visible in the keyboard app, then actually pass it to the program when leaving 'full-screen' mode or pressing 'enter', etc). That still allows you to see what you are typing with a full-screen keyboard (which is what it seems most people are wanting from the transparency). Extra points could be awarded for allowing applications to give the keyboard app a description of the 'active' field to be displayed in a 'full-screen' mode. Yeah, that reminds me a lot of the fullscreen keyboard on the Nokia N800: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/n800.ars/4 The keyboard can be brought up by either: - If enough pressure is applied to select a text field (significantly more than the stylus can, but still only requires a firm push with a finger/thumb), though this doesn't always work reliably - Pressing the rocker key in the middle of the directional keypad when the stylus keyboard is displayed - Changing the settings can enable it to always come up, even when the stylus is used (or disable it altogether). Once displayed, some notable functions which may not be obvious from a screen shot: - If it was activated for a text field which can be edited (ie, not an X terminal), the text will be placed in the text field on the keyboard - The text field in the keyboard supports highlighting, overwriting, moving left/right and so forth - As a word is entered, the single most likely completion in it's dictionary will be displayed in the text field in another colour - if tapped on, it will enter that word. - the button on the upper left (an underlined down arrow) dismisses the keyboard and passes it's input to the application - the return button will also dismiss the keyboard, but will additionally send a return keystoke - The large back key is backspace - The odd looking button just left of the return key brings up a menu allowing cut, copy, paste and changing dictionaries/languages if a second language has been selected in the settings (which appears to also have the option to use both dictionaries simultaneously, though I have not tried that functionality). - On the letters page, the lower right button selects punctuation in a similar manner to many phones (1 tap: full stop, 2 taps: comma, 3: question mark, 4: exclamation mark, 5: hyphen and so on). As it is tapped, the symbols displayed update to indicate the current symbol selected (in black) as well as the next two symbols that would be selected by continuing to tap (in grey). These same symbols may also be found on the 1!+ (numbers and common* symbols) tab, though they are each on separate buttons (so, faster to enter ... for example) - Selecting the letters tab while in the tab swaps between lower and upper case *what is considered a common symbol is debatable - the asterisk is on the third tab, while Euros and Pounds are on the common symbols tab - since I'm in Australia my preference would be to swap that around. Notably, there are also many symbols (including accented characters) which can be used in the small keyboard, which are not available in the fullscreen keyboard at all (as far as I am aware). You can also see an earlier version of the non full screen keyboard (which I do not believe would be suitable for something as small as the freerunner, especially with no stylus holder) here: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/n800.ars/2 I personally wouldn't mind something similar to this on the freerunner - probably best used in landscape/fullscreen mode with raster's keyboard for portrait/small mode - accelerometer fun comes to mind to toggle the modes - only needs to be active (and draining power) when the keyboard is displayed (and probably a setting to disable the behaviour somewhere logical). Cheers, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
I suffer from the same problem on my GTA02. To charge I have to put the connector in exact right position, and the interface is all loose. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
mariu...@ifi.uio.no wrote: I suffer from the same problem on my GTA02. To charge I have to put the connector in exact right position, and the interface is all loose. To verify: 1) When you shutdown, remove the battery, plug in power and move the USB connector carefully a little bit, do you hear static/cracking sound from the speaker? 2) When you put the battery in, boot, plug in the power and move the USB connector carefully a little bit, do you see the screen brightness alter? 3) When you remove the power, put FreeRunner in USB host mode, connect an external USB keyboard and move the USB connector carefully a little bit, do you see the LEDs lights on the keyboard up/flicker and the possibility to enter characters via the keyboard is very difficult? 4) (other non-related hardware issue) Is the LED and laser pointer of your stylus at 25% brightness and does it sometimes go to 100% when you unscrew and rescrew the battery part of the sylus? Unfortunately, for me all the above questions I have to answer positively. Can more people do the above checks and report back here how their device performs in this thread? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Indian FR Owners
Gora Mohanty wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:33:47 +0530 Vibhav Sharma khoonir...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in Gurgaon and would be happy to help organise one for NCR. Please reply of-list in case you are interested. [...] I have a Neo 1973, but not a FreeRunner. My apologies Neo 1973 users are welcome too. ;) [...] A meeting of people in the NCR region would be good, and if needed, we can offer space for this either at Srijan Technologies in Nehru Place, or at Sarai, CSDS, in North Delhi (between ISBT, and Delhi University, and accessible by metro). Hey, thanks for the kind offer. Will contact if need be. And: come on ppl. respond. I want to see what happens when you call one OM phone from another. - Vibhav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Indian FR Owners
For the other cities, please mail me or update wiki so that we get the Indian Chapter of FR owners up and running. Just for reference, I guess Vibhav meant this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups#Asia. You can find me at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Delhi and of course I am in for the meettho currently my FR is dead as I am too busy to keep it up :( --Vikas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mass delete sim card contacts
I've encountered a bug where on importing my vcard contacts they were also added to my sim card, all with the name /fp. I'd like to mass remove all of my sim card contacts but can't find anything on the wiki about it. How can I remove all my sim card contacts? I'm using qtopia, but a command line solution would be fine. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I don't know well qtopia...but mabe you could install fso/shr on a sd-card and use python for retriving and deleting contacts...another lower level solution is to use AT commands... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbee need direction
Hello Robin and Openmoko community: My name is Juan Aranda, and I'm a OM newbie too. There shouldn't be any problems with your Ubuntu 8.10 distribution. I'm using the Toolchain (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain). It tells you what packages you need to install, how to set it up, etc. Then you should look back into the link from your previous e-mail (by the way, thanks for that link it helped a lot ;) ): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse. If you need more help feel free to contact me. Juan Aranda On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 11:55 +0100, Robin Häggqvist wrote: Hello Im a newbee. And would love some help to get in the right direction. I have looked in to pascal(not very useful but good fun) and java(really basic) when I was in school but that was a few years ago. Im most intrested in developing small useful application for the freerunner and as a sideproject will look in to making apps for the Iphone but that is a side project since I dont have a Iphone yet and its a diffrent story. Should I start with the developers guide on the openmoko.org or go and buy a book? Any learn to sites on the web? What lanugare should I start with? Does it matter what OS im using on my computer? Im using Ubuntu 8.10. Im so close to give it up now :-(. I have read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide but its many roads and I seem to get lost or stuck every where I go. /Robin Häggqvist Robin recommends: http://openoffice.org * http://gimp.org * http://avast.com * http://gmail.com * http://cdburnerxp.se * http://7-zip.org * http://realvnc.com/ or http://www.ubuntu-se.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
As to number 4, yes. If anyone has a fix for this, I'd love to hear it. ;) And while I'm asking about the stylus, is there a way to replace the pen when it runs out of ink? -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB connector broken, cannot charge or boot
mariu...@ifi.uio.no wrote: I suffer from the same problem on my GTA02. To charge I have to put the connector in exact right position, and the interface is all loose. To verify: 1) When you shutdown, remove the battery, plug in power and move the USB connector carefully a little bit, do you hear static/cracking sound from the speaker? Yes 2) When you put the battery in, boot, plug in the power and move the USB connector carefully a little bit, do you see the screen brightness alter? No, not with 2008.12. But the charger symbol is showing battery, charging, battery... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected building kernel
I am receiving the same error, and even changing bin/sh to bin/bash does not help. This is what I get: -- scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h UPD include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected make[1]: *** [include/config/kernel.release] Error 2 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! -- Any help would be appreciated! - Tarandeep On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Asheesh Laroia openm...@asheesh.org wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Rui Castro wrote: Hi, I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start because of this dummy error: - $ ./build dummy scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected The script probably has bashisms. Set /bin/sh to /bin/bash and you'll do fine. See My production system has broken and I just want to get it back up! at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh . -- Asheesh. -- The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected building kernel
Ok. I found out what was wrong, as someone has already pointed in this mailing list, I had to make a local branch. But now I get the following error: scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h GEN /home/taran/Openmoko/linux-2.6/GTA03/Makefile CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h 2.6.28-GTA03_origin/my-andy-tracking_03a07f0da5734683-g03a07f0-dirty exceeds 64 characters make[1]: *** [include/linux/utsrelease.h] Error 1 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! - Tarandeep On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Tarandeep Gill taran.i...@gmail.com wrote: I am receiving the same error, and even changing bin/sh to bin/bash does not help. This is what I get: -- scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h UPD include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected make[1]: *** [include/config/kernel.release] Error 2 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! -- Any help would be appreciated! - Tarandeep On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Asheesh Laroia openm...@asheesh.org wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Rui Castro wrote: Hi, I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start because of this dummy error: - $ ./build dummy scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected The script probably has bashisms. Set /bin/sh to /bin/bash and you'll do fine. See My production system has broken and I just want to get it back up! at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh . -- Asheesh. -- The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected building kernel
The error message looks like your kernel name is just too long. 2.6.28-GTA03_origin/my-andy-tracking_03a07f0da5734683-g03a07f0-dirty is 69 characters and it seems that only 64 are allowed. :) Maybe you should just select a shorter local branch name. Ciao, Rainer Tarandeep Gill wrote: Ok. I found out what was wrong, as someone has already pointed in this mailing list, I had to make a local branch. But now I get the following error: scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h GEN /home/taran/Openmoko/linux-2.6/GTA03/Makefile CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h 2.6.28-GTA03_origin/my-andy-tracking_03a07f0da5734683-g03a07f0-dirty exceeds 64 characters make[1]: *** [include/linux/utsrelease.h] Error 1 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! - Tarandeep On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Tarandeep Gill taran.i...@gmail.com wrote: I am receiving the same error, and even changing bin/sh to bin/bash does not help. This is what I get: -- scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h UPD include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected make[1]: *** [include/config/kernel.release] Error 2 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! -- Any help would be appreciated! - Tarandeep On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Asheesh Laroia openm...@asheesh.org wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Rui Castro wrote: Hi, I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start because of this dummy error: - $ ./build dummy scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected The script probably has bashisms. Set /bin/sh to /bin/bash and you'll do fine. See My production system has broken and I just want to get it back up! at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh . -- Asheesh. -- The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected building kernel
Thanks Fox, That worked. I am sorry, but I am a little naive at all this. I have another question: I am compiling the Openmoko Kernel for s3c6410 architecture. I have a SMDK6410 board, and according to Andy, this version of kernel runs on SMDK6410 with some degree of success. It would be really appreciated if I can get a little idea about how to get this thing running on the board. :) Thanks again, - Tarandeep On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net wrote: The error message looks like your kernel name is just too long. 2.6.28-GTA03_origin/my-andy-tracking_03a07f0da5734683-g03a07f0-dirty is 69 characters and it seems that only 64 are allowed. :) Maybe you should just select a shorter local branch name. Ciao, Rainer Tarandeep Gill wrote: Ok. I found out what was wrong, as someone has already pointed in this mailing list, I had to make a local branch. But now I get the following error: scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h GEN /home/taran/Openmoko/linux-2.6/GTA03/Makefile CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h 2.6.28-GTA03_origin/my-andy-tracking_03a07f0da5734683-g03a07f0-dirty exceeds 64 characters make[1]: *** [include/linux/utsrelease.h] Error 1 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! - Tarandeep On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Tarandeep Gill taran.i...@gmail.com wrote: I am receiving the same error, and even changing bin/sh to bin/bash does not help. This is what I get: -- scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h UPD include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected make[1]: *** [include/config/kernel.release] Error 2 make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 6 jobserver tokens available; should be 5! -- Any help would be appreciated! - Tarandeep On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Asheesh Laroia openm...@asheesh.org wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Rui Castro wrote: Hi, I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start because of this dummy error: - $ ./build dummy scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h /bin/sh: Syntax error: ( unexpected The script probably has bashisms. Set /bin/sh to /bin/bash and you'll do fine. See My production system has broken and I just want to get it back up! at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh . -- Asheesh. -- The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems running pidgin
Hello Florian, Florian Lherbette wrote: On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Samuel Pereira em...@samuelpereira.net wrote: You have installed pidgin-data Oops, my bad, this package was missing. I feel a bit stupid right now. Ironically, I did do a 'opkg list | grep pidgin' before installing, so I should have seen it. I am still a bit suprised it didn't get automatically installed as a depency of the pidgin package. This happened to me as well, but I did notice the different packages with opkg list | grep pidgin. I was also mildly surprised that the pidgin package did not pull in pidgin-data as a dependency. With both installed it works well, so I thought no more about it at the time. -- Regards, Jan Henkins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:31:34 +1100 Ian darkstarsw...@gmail.com babbled: i'd rather not. 1. trollt.. err.. nokia deserve thanks for the core inspiration and initial work on their one - i didn't know how the code worked until later but i nutted out how it probably should work just by poking at it. so if anyone deserves a patent - it's them. 2. i'd rather this be well publicised and out there code in the public eye - so the idea is widespread and well known - thus serves as prior art pretty much making it impossible for someone to come along and patent the idea and make things a pain. get the ideas out there in code - in the public eye with a trail of history so it's available for everyone to see and use. if someone implements a better kbd but steals the same idea - i'm sticking my thumbs up going good on-ya mate! i want users and the community to benefit. 3. i fundamentally disagree with software patents - or at least the way they have been implemented. the vast majority i have seen are neither novel nor non-obvious to someone skilled in the art. most are incredibly mundane straightforward things to someone skilled in the art and the system has been abused to further greed and misplace credit in the hands of those with more lawyers, not those who innovate the most or the best. be that as it may - the system is there and we are stuck with it. i'm not a crusader trying to bring it down - i don't have the time. got code to write and ideas to make happen :) but i hope in my little way i can shake my fist at the system and go here... prior art. take that!. i'll let others fight the good fight in trying to reform the patent system. i'm just rattling my chains and moaning in my corner... 'brains! brains! braiins! need moore brains!' :) Raster... you are my new hero. It's not the first time I've heard this kind of argument (Andrew Tridgell made a very similar argument at a CLUG meeting some time ago) and I completely agree with you. Good work on the keyboard, tridge is an awesome bloke. smart smart smart man. i'd aspire to be as smart as tridge one day when i grow up! :) (seriously - he is smart!) now... where's my brains.. :) tnx :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Mediaplayer
Giovanni wrote: Dear Timo, can you share your python app for switching the profiles? You can find also an implementation of automatic profile switching on jack-insert here [1]. [1] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,927.msg9047.html#msg9047 Bye ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.* | Qtopia and whatever else uses Qtopia PIM] Sqlite DB speed trick
Saw this on reddit the other day and thought it might help [1]. sqlite3 has a vacuum command which does a few nifty things to compact your database [2] in which the example shows you can do it to your firefox 3 sqlite db files to increase performance (in things like the awesome bar etc). I thought I might try this on my phone as I know the qtopia PIM suite uses sqlite3. So to do this on 2008.* (and assuming this works on Qtopia distro): 0. make sure you have sqlite3 and lsof installed opkg install sqlite3 lsof 1. check your file sizes for comparison: ls -l ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite ls -l ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 2. stop your xserver to remove the lock on the db files: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop 3. check to make sure nothing is using the files lsof ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite lsof ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 4. Compact sqlite3 ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite sqlite3 ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 5. Restart X /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start 6. Check file sizes again ls -l ~/Applications/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite ls -l ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 7. ??? 8. Profit! This reduced my filesize from 195584 to 97280 for my qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite file. I can't work out how to test performance other than experientially because of my lack of knowledge of qtopia debugging. Hopefully this means less files to load in memory which should equate to slightly quicker performance. It certainly worked for my firefox. Do at your own risk! Although I'm sure that sqlite's own locking mechanisms will stop you from nuking your db files. Good luck! And let me know of your success (definitely not failure)! :P -Nick Refs 1.http://www.gettingclever.com/2008/06/vacuum-your-firefox-3.html 2. http://www.sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:13 AM, qhaz q...@bur.st wrote: Hi, I've tried installing Bt-gps on an FSO installation and get this error . . . * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for bt-gps: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Is python-pygtk installed ? -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Angus, unfortunately when I try and install python-pygtk I get the same error message . . . r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install python-pygtk Installing python-pygtk (2.10.4-ml9) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml9_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for python-pygtk: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * . . . . gtk+-fastscaling is not in my list of available packages either. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-SHR-Debian--Update-to-BtGPS.py-tp2115482p2125844.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM, qhaz q...@bur.st wrote: Angus Ainslie wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:13 AM, qhaz q...@bur.st wrote: Hi, I've tried installing Bt-gps on an FSO installation and get this error . . . * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for bt-gps: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Is python-pygtk installed ? -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Angus, unfortunately when I try and install python-pygtk I get the same error message . . . r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install python-pygtk Installing python-pygtk (2.10.4-ml9) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml9_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for python-pygtk: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * . . . . gtk+-fastscaling is not in my list of available packages either. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-SHR-Debian--Update-to-BtGPS.py-tp2115482p2125844.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Which distro are you using ? Angus -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
Try forcing it to 500ma using one of the battery.py scripts on the wiki. I used a car charger yesterday (650ma) that didnt even show as plugged in until I forced it to 500ma and then it was fine. However, its useless for jump starting/trickle charging as the phone must be up to turn it on - as I found out when the battery drained ... :( BillK On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 14:40 +, Vasco Névoa wrote: Well... not exactly. I bought a Trust car lighter adapter (5V/1A) with its own cable, and it doesn't charge the freerunner. After reading all this, I think it must be the cable. I'm going to try with a standard cable instead of the supplied one. The supplied cable is very handy, it has all kinds of optional plugs for many kinds of phone and gadget; because of this, it has only power lines going through it, and no data lines at all (it's got a small plug with only 2 contacts where the other adapter plugs connect). I'll let you know... Citando Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net: Thanks for all the answers guys, looks like I can grab any old USB charger, 5V/2A being preferable. And a GPS style wndscreen mount would be useful. I'm sure I can find something though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Car-Charger--tp2106770p2112932.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid networking question
Sorry, I'd misssed this reply last night somehow. What is in /etc/network/interfaces on the eeepc, and are you using NetworkManager? If using NM, is it the default NM from Ubuntu, or Kubuntu, or something else? This sounds to me like the NM is getting confused. Also, are you using WPA or WEP on the wifi? (Shouldn't matter, but if using NM now then changing to static config is more involved with WPA/WEP enabled) The problem I see most frequently with 8.10's NM is that it gets confused about statically-configured interfaces - EG, I have a workstation on a static public IP on eth0, and when I jack in the FR on usb0, NM brings up usb0 with the same friggin public IP, and tries to route packets through the FR instead of ethernet... j On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:06:39 -0500, Harry L. Lee ha...@jonesnose.com wrote: 7.10 alternate On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:09:14 -0500, Harry L. Lee ha...@jonesnose.com wrote: I have an eeepcwifi'd into the Net, running ubuntu,but when i plug the openmoko into one of its usb ports it goes into wifi reconnection. halp! -- ha...@jonesnose.com What Ubuntu version and flavor? Network Manager has issues under 8.10/Intrepid - I've only had reliable networking (with multiple interfaces) when I disabled NM and wrote manual config. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) -- ha...@jonesnose.com Harry L Lee (via gmail) chief cook and bottle washer http://jonesnose.com mailto:ha...@jonesnose.com 207-384-8030 (email preferred) -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMooCow 0.3
Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: The accelerometers don't work though. hexdump /dev/input/event2 gets me changing output as I turn the phone around. event3 is dead, perhaps that is the problem? That would certainly prevent mooing. If the accelerometers don't work, you should still be able to test the audio parts by pressing the cow picture on the screen :) I think there might still be some locking problems lurking in the kernel parts of the accelerometer stuff. For me, re-starting OpenMooCow almost always makes it work the second time. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO/SHR/Debian] Update to BtGPS.py
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM, qhaz q...@bur.st wrote: Angus Ainslie wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:13 AM, qhaz q...@bur.st wrote: Hi, I've tried installing Bt-gps on an FSO installation and get this error . . . * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for bt-gps: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * Is python-pygtk installed ? -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Angus, unfortunately when I try and install python-pygtk I get the same error message . . . r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install python-pygtk Installing python-pygtk (2.10.4-ml9) to root... Downloading http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml9_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for python-pygtk: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * . . . . gtk+-fastscaling is not in my list of available packages either. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-SHR-Debian--Update-to-BtGPS.py-tp2115482p2125844.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Which distro are you using ? Angus -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm using fso-testing. I just flashed the latest and get the same results. openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090107-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 uImage-2.6.24-oe4+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin r...@om-gta02:~# uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jan 2 12:26:36 UTC 2009 armv4tl unknown -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-SHR-Debian--Update-to-BtGPS.py-tp2115482p2125989.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 2:35:13 am leonardo wrote: If you look at the patent itself (wikipedia says: http://www.google.com/patents?id=PmgCEBAJ) you see it's 27 pages of pointless diagrams and 7 pages of a very vague description of how a reduced keyboard disambiguating computer. Of course if you do look at a patent and are later found to infringe it you may be liable to pay triple damages for willful infringement if you ended up in a US court over it (and yes, I do realise you're in Italy :-) ). :-( http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3500546 # Under current patent law and its interpretation by the courts, punitive # triple damages are imposed if the party infringed willfully. Simon said mere # knowledge that the infringed patent exists can support a finding of # willfulness, and liability for triple damages. Moral of the story - never ever read patents, or anything about them! [1] IANAL, batteries not included, etc.. cheers, Chris [1] - which is ironic given that they were invented to encourage people to publish their ideas rather than keep them secret. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qt Extended 4.4.2] [PATCH] Added echo suppression fixes for the OpenMoko Neo phone.
Hi all,
My previous patch for echo suppression was completely bogus, once I'd figured
out I could get the logging program to record all AT commands to the modem it
was obvious that it wasn't sending the intended command asides from when an
outgoing call occured (which is what the original QtE did). Turns out I'd
misunderstood the QtE build system and it was never looking at the code and
when I fixed that it was painfully obvious that my lack of C++ knowledge meant
I'd never get it to work in that state.
So I went back to the drawing board and changed it to use the AT%N0187 command
to enable both noise reduction and echo suppression in one hit as I worry that
the original method of using a command for each would result in the previous
command being undone. I also added them to a couple of other places where
they looked like they'd be important such as on initialisation and on wake
from suspend.
I'm using a slightly earlier version of the following patch (only removed two
comments and inserted some blank lines) on my Neo at the moment and it seems
to be working fine - on a test call from a train I was told there was no echo
(with the volume at max and mic gain right up) but that I sounded like I was
in a bathroom, i.e. there was a bit of reverb. :-)
I'm not convinced that it's completely foolproof as I don't know if it'll
remain enabled if I get two incoming calls without a suspend in between.
But it's still a lot better than what I've been having to put up with since I
got this going!
I hope it's of use to others too..
cheers,
Chris
-8 snip snip 8
The original Qt Extended 4.4.2 initially set both echo
suppression and noise reduction in separate AT commands
which might result in the second command negating the
first one. It also only set them for outgoing calls.
This new version uses the AT command to set both
echo suppression and noise reduction at the same
time as well as setting them on initialisation and
after a wake up.
Signed-off-by: Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org
---
.../src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp| 17 ++---
1 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
diff --git a/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp
b/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp
index 014d98a..63b27f8 100644
--- a/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp
+++ b/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp
@@ -153,8 +153,7 @@ QString NeoCallProvider::dialVoiceCommand(const
QDialOptions options) const
// do undocumented echo cancellation and noise reduction
modemService-primaryAtChat()-chat( a...@st=\-26\ );
-modemService-primaryAtChat()-chat( AT%N028B );
-modemService-primaryAtChat()-chat( AT%N0125 );
+modemService-primaryAtChat()-chat( AT%N0187 );
return QModemCallProvider::dialVoiceCommand(options);
}
@@ -551,11 +550,14 @@ NeoModemService::NeoModemService
// chat(AT%CMGRS=1); //message transmission to get any failed sms
during suspend
- chat(AT%SLEEP=2); //makes my Moko8 not respond to calls during sosuend
+ chat(AT%SLEEP=2); //makes my Moko8 not respond to calls during suspend
// Turn cell id information back on.
chat( AT+CREG=2 );
chat( AT+CGREG=2 );
+// Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction.
+chat( AT%N0187 );
+
QTimer::singleShot(200, this, SLOT(sendRego()));
}
@@ -572,6 +574,9 @@ void NeoModemService::sendRego()
if( !cfg.value(PlaneMode,false).toBool()) {
// chat(AT%NRG=0,0); //force auto operations
chat(AT+COPS=0); //force auto operations
+
+// Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction.
+chat( AT%N0187 );
}
}
@@ -679,6 +684,9 @@ void NeoModemService::reset()
chat(AT%CWUP=1);
chat(ATE0);
+// Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction.
+chat( AT%N0187 );
+
// Turn on %CNAP notifications, which supply the caller's
// name on an call. Only supported on some networks.
chat( AT%CNAP=1 );
@@ -738,6 +746,9 @@ void NeoModemService::wake()
// Re-enable signal quality notifications when the system wakes up again.
chat( AT%CSQ=1, this, SLOT(mcsqOn()) );
+
+// Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction.
+chat( AT%N0187 );
}
void NeoModemService::mcsqOff()
--
1.5.6.3
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Re: Has anyone tried Qi?
Hi, I have a SMDK6410 board. I have successfully compiled dfu-util, Qi, and Openmoko kernel on my Ubuntu machine. The SMDK6410 is just as I got it from the company, I haven't modified its firmware. I have connected it to my computer with a USB cable, that goes into the OTG USB host port on the board (This is how the Windows DNW utility transfers a Win CE image to the board). So, when I use dfu-util to try to burn the Qi image into it, I get the following error: r...@conectech-desktop# ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D../qi/image/qi-s3c6410-master_84e38630c7135c1f.udfu dfu-util - (C) 2007-2008 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY No DFU capable USB device found Can you please tell me how to transfer the boot loader and the kernel to the NAND? I also have an Olimex OCD (that connects to the JTAG interface on the board) , if it is needed anyway. Thanks, Tarandeep On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Andy Green a...@openmoko.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:35:40 +0100 | Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz (PV) wrote: | | On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:26:00 +0100 | arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de (AA) | wrote: | | I have tried it and i liked it. It was definitively faster. I might | stick with it for a while i hope. | how does it play with the dead battery issue? | | well, this i cannot answer as i have three batteries and just swap them | around... i can try to run one completely empty and see what happens. | | | seems like no luck with empty battery, but i hadn't have much time to | test. and, for some reason, i cannot Qi boot my SD located distro. | Results on NAND based distro give me today the same or almost longer | booting times. The original Qi from Andy was definitely faster. | | Someone mentioned sound issue... right, seems to be that way too - no | sound, but i haven't tested it thoroughly now. | | I had been using older qi from Andy and i am not sure, but think that | it didn't suffer these issues... well, let's wait, it's still fresh. The sound thing is a kernel issue I believe. Up in stable-tracking branch of kernel the upstream init of the codec chip is done differently now and I think this is resolved. But stable-tracking has some issues being worked on that stop it replacing stable right now. The empty battery thing on GTA02 A5 anyway is a hardware issue that is happening before the CPU is booted, so Qi can't directly affect it. It can indirectly affect it though, when it does run it enables charging immediately. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkKm5QACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo5YQCeIp88JA+JN/PJypeIQxg/fFU6 agQAnRcAelL2uAg4qRQU7EC7kqrzGlak =uTZ7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
