Re: New Release of GuitarTune v0.20 (based on Alsa)
Hi, Ed Kapitein wrote: > >> Could you try after keeping the freerunner really close to the guitar? > I almost inserted it! without any difference. i also adjusted the volume > to no avail. > Ha :-D. Well, that's ruled out then. There must be another prob. Ed Kapitein wrote: > > I could record the sound of my strings and send them to you, if that > would help debugging the problem. > Yup. That would be nice! I could then experiment to see what the real prob is. Ed Kapitein wrote: > > ...i will make some pure sinus waves at the right frequency, to see if > that does work. > That would help too. Thanks, and let me know the results. Also, I will be releasing another update this weekend. If I could solve the prob in time - I'll include the fix too. Thanks for taking the time to provide feedback :-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Release-of-GuitarTune-v0.20-%28based-on-Alsa%29-tp2263173p2288408.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Golden Delicious Offer: Freerunner now 279 EUR - debug board 49 EUR
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Chris Syntichakis wrote: > > > Ok, I think it was a typo (900Mhz).. unless you o/clocked it ;-), right? > > > Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> >> >> * Neo Freerunner GTA02 900MHz (incl. headset, pouch and laser-pen): >> . >> >> > > -- I believe that 900 Mhz is that the freerunner is using the 900 Mhz GSM band as opposed to the 850 Mhz GSM version. HTH Eric ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Golden Delicious Offer: Freerunner now 279 EUR - debug board 49 EUR
Ok, I think it was a typo (900Mhz).. unless you o/clocked it ;-), right? Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > * Neo Freerunner GTA02 900MHz (incl. headset, pouch and laser-pen): > . > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Golden-Delicious-Offer%3A-Freerunner-now-279-EUR---debug-board-49-EUR-tp2286314p2286931.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Buy GTA01
Does anyone have a working gta01 they'd like to sell ? Please message me of list if you do. Thanks Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: www.opkg.org - Repository Alpha
I repacked xlogical (and raised vesion number) and now I can install it without segfault. status=work_for_me, who confirms? -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Golden Delicious Offer: Freerunner now 279 EUR - debug board 49 EUR
Hi all, I just want to let you know that we (Golden Delicious and our partner TRIsoft) have been able to reduce our price for the Freerunner to support as many free and open source projects as possible (FOSDEM starts tomorrow...). The new price tags are: * Neo Freerunner GTA02 900MHz (incl. headset, pouch and laser-pen): 279 EUR * Debug Baord v3: 49 EUR * Letux 400 (wireless keyboard and display): 199 EUR * Invisible Shield: 18,90 EUR * other accessories: please see our web page below We have a volume rebate program starting at 5 units. And an educational rebate. So find friends and think about new open source projects. We provide you with the equipment you need. But hurry up, as supply of this offer is limited. Finally, we are interested in finding MacOS X developers (Cocoa) who own a Freerunner and want to do cool things with both. Happy Freerunning, Nikolaus Schaller Notes: We accept major credit cards and IBAN bank transfer. We can ship to any location within the EU. If your company has a VAT-ID, you get everything without 19% German VAT (divide by 1.19) Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About the buzz
> > From: Alexandre Ghisoli > Date: January 31, 2009 10:53:52 AM PST > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: About the buzz > Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion > > > > Le Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:09:00 -0200, > Pablo Miño a écrit : > >> Community, >> >> There is something I do not understand about the buzz. I have 2 chips >> one for my old carrier and one for my new carrier, they are >> respectively Claro Uruguay and Antel. With the Claro chip the other >> person does not listens to the annoying buzz but with the Ancel chip >> she does. Why could that be? I have a US version of the neo, Claro is >> supposed to work on 1900 and Antel in 1800. Would that make the >> difference??? > > Perhaps where the GSM relay is (near or far away). Maybe if the signal > is not good, your freerunner need more output power, and you have the > buzz thing. I had a friend report that he heard the buzz last night when I was calling him. Rotating my FR as I held it against my ear so that it wasn't pointing down so much and was more horizontally oriented made it go away. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko L10N effort.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > I tried this now: > > echo "LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8">>/etc/profile > echo "LC_ALL=fi_FI.UTF-8>>/etc/profile > echo "export LANG LC_ALL>>/etc/profile > > and > > opkg install `opkg list | grep locale-fi | cut -d' ' -f1` (thaks lindi :) > > It installed some packages but most of it failed because they all > depend on virtual-locale-fi. I can't find it anywhere. Anyone know > what's going on here, should I just --force-depends? > > And does anyone know if there's some centralized effort done to > localize the applications. Hello Risto There no centralized translation effort AFAIK Timmo have done some translatoin to finnish & tryed to translate some apps to russian. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Translation_HOWTO says that community > list is at the moment the place to discuss translations but I haven't > seen any mails like that around. I think people would soon like to see > the apps in their native languages. > > > r > > - Going to check if I was able to install anything in Finnish :) > -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Om2008.9] screen-locking
Hello, Is there some application which does: - automatically locks the screen after NNN secs idle; - let me easy unlock the screen, for example on touch of display it comes just up with a button [yes|no]-unlock, big enough to be touched with the finger; I tested zedlock_0.1_armv4t.ipk, which does not do what I've described above; something like: http://www.tux.org/~bagleyd/xlockmore.html Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Hi, > There was no reason to react so. Brenda just forgot to mention the work > team. I think we all know that X.org is not done by Openmoko. ok, let me update you on that: In the last 2 months OM hired 2 developers to work full time on X.org (Juan + Jorge). Yes, it took a while to find these people. Unfortunately, X.org developers are not that easy to find and being a small company means to prioritize. In addition, OM handed out access to the documentation to a couple of people that were willing to sign the NDA. We are happy to see that they join the effort and about the progress of the whole team. Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes writes: >> ... i'm not THE wiki editor ... > (emphasis mine) > > Clearly you understand well how a wiki works :) Clearly you don't know that Brenda works full-time for OM and her official position is called "wiki editor". And i edit wiki pages too when i see that i can contribute something, so refrain from speculations, please. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Oh yes - thanks Brenda, I find these very useful, keep it up! - Gunnar Brenda Wang wrote: > Dear all: > > The 11th community update is now available. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/February_6%2C_2009 > > For an easier access of the newest update,it can be also accessed by > Community Box located at the left. > > The old version are put on Community Updates page. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates > >>From now on, Community Updates will be also available in Chinese > (Traditional Chinese & Simplified Chinese), please feel free to > translate this into other languages if you wish. > > Regards > Brenda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: www.opkg.org - Repository Alpha
Hi there, First of all: Thanks to everyone who tested the repo alpha. Thanks to them I could find some problems, which I have tried to solve today: 1. From now on, every package on opkg.org, not only the packages on my server, are included in the repo. 2. Some people told me about segfaults. So I took a closer look at the Packages file on my server: http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages I'm not sure about this, but I think it is because there is not all the needed information available. For example: Look at 'efplayer_0.3_arm.ipk' in the Packages file. There is only a filename and a md5sum available. All other information I take out of the ipk file is missing. To be honest, I don't know how to solve this problem. Is it possible that the ipk files are damaged? Maybe someone on the list, that knows more about ipk-packages and repos than me, has an idea... It would be great to get a feedback about the new repo version, thanks in advance. Regards, Tobias On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 01:47, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/2/2 Risto H. Kurppa : > > It looks like that I can't install the following packages over the > > repository. Installing with opkg install http://opkg.org/foobar works > > better: > > I've tried opkg update before the installation so that shouldn't be a > problem. > > > > Cannot find: > > zomg > > mofi > > xmahjongg > > > > segfault if tried to install over the repository: > > xlogical > > wireshark > > swedish-illume > > > > Can anyone confirm and maybe solve? > > yeah, i'm having problems too. i tried: > opkg install osmupdater > after adding the repo line to a new conf file, running opkg update > (worked fine, no errors), and got error 2, which i believe is 'not > found' > > oh, and when i do it manually, it fails cos the version of > python-elementary is too old, needs >=37681, not version 325 > > any help, please? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
I guess the "community update" is not to be understood as a "update of what OpenMoko Inc has done for the community", but rather as an "update of what the community" has done for itself. It was initially edited by Minh Ha Duong, who is NOT an openmoko employee (afaik), but he retired and Brenda took it up since it was a seen as very useful. > ... i'm not THE wiki editor ... (emphasis mine) Clearly you understand well how a wiki works :) Cheers, -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Hi Paul Listen to me: Take a good holiday, in a place very far, where you can relax. You are a bit too much in angry with the world. There was no reason to react so. Brenda just forgot to mention the work team. I think we all know that X.org is not done by Openmoko. Regards Michele Renda On 06/02/2009 12:08, Paul Fertser wrote: > > WTF? > > What the hell does it suppose to mean? > > Why did you write nothing about the real X.org progress? About what > works and what doesn't and how to compile the driver? > > Is X.org driver a community project or does OM pay the developer (and > you even haven't mentioned his name!)? Who and when is going to > implement xrandr support? And X server is an important part of every > distribution, don't forget about it. > > No single word from OM about the X work for months. Are you going to > continue this tradition? > > There's no single word about kernel work as well. Are you sure nothing > happened in these days? > > I think if you prepare these "Community updates" you're supposed to > follow the developement and mention all the really important stuff. > > And to those who will say that i should have edited the draft myself > on the wiki, i say that i'm not the wiki editor, i'm not the OM > employee and i don't know many details that are important > anyway. Moreover, i don't like (and can't do it well anyway) editing > text. OM has a dedicated editor, i suppose it's reasonable and fair > enough to expect this work is done by him. > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:20:53 +0100 Helge Hafting said: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:57:41 +0100 Helge Hafting > > said: > > > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> > Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't > cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only "adapted" > ones. The americans can use the extras as application hotkeys. > >>> oh its not the extra keys - its the variations in production. > >> I know. Which is why I suggest one single keyboard for all, with > >> the maximum amount of keys instead of the minimum. That way, every > >> language (at least every latin-based language) can have a normal keyboard. > >> > >> No problem for the english - it will work fine. Their extra keys can be > >> blank, or used as hotkeys. Users with other languages can add whatever > >> they need - and in the correct location too. > > > > that's not practical. have you SEEN all the accented characters available? > > its moe than going to double the # of chars in a kbd. otherwise you then > > need a compose mode where multiple keystrokes gives you æ or ø or ü or ñ > > etc. and its a combo you need to learn. you still need to offer all the > > accents then on such a kbd. like ~^'`",* (ãâáàäąå) which drastically will > > cramp the keyboard or make it yet another row bigger for everyone. (in > > addition to some form of compose key and specific compose logic). > > Have you seen the various european layouts? None of the lating-based > keyboards have more than a handful of keys more than the english > keyboard. (Those with bucketloads of accents use a dead-key approach, > press " then o to get ö and so on.) > > So no need for a seriously cramped keyboard. Of course different > languages will mostly re-use the same keys, so you don't need a key for > every possible letter. Only one key for each nonascii people expect to > find on a keyboard adapted to their language. Look at the various > keyboard layouts, pick the one with the most extras and you know how > many keys are needed. Perhaps a few more keys than that, as some add > extra keys in different places. But not many more. European pc keyboards > tend to have 2 keys more than american, the rest is done by shift states > and /or dead keys. (Things like []/? aren't directly accessible on a > Norwegian keyboard, unlike american keyboards. One mechanical layout > works for all of europe, you just have different keycaps. And of course > the american layout works too - they get two do-nothing keys thats all. thats because they use composition. as i said above. and as i said if 1 keyboard were to cover ALL of them it'd be BIG (in key count). as such each european kbd covers just the language it intends to cover - thus limiting extras. > So, a keyboard with slightly more keys than what is needed for ascii > will be enough for all languages that extend the latin alphabet. > > Some differently painted keytops will be needed, but that can be left to > the various national importers (for a mass-produced device) or to the > customers for a phone made in small series. > > Helge Hafting > > > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko daily build
Hi HouYu, On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 22:09 +0800, HouYu Li wrote: > Hi, Angus. I am a FreeRunner user in China. I am writing to you for > the daily build of the Openmoko images. I am looking forward to get > the latest Openmoko daily build. The latest now is January 20. So, > will it going on?? > I'd like to have daily builds too :) I'm currently working on them and have been making some progress. If you'd like to see the progress look here: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/openmoko/ And for those in the community that would like to help. There are two kinds of failures happening there. Some are me using the wrong git version of qi, u-boot and kernels. I'll have to sort those out. Any of the failures that pertain to userland ie bluez and devmen2 you could help fix by submitting patches to the OE devel list. Thanks Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.28 kernel and modutils
On recent SHR and probably FSO (haven't got MS5 going yet) connman is taking control of usb0 and trying o use dhcp to get an address. Since I have a bridged configuration on the machine I plug it into this actually succeeds, but for most people it will fail to get an address. In either case ifdown usb0 then ifup usb0 gives it the configuration found in /etc/network/interfaces which is what people are used to seeing. On Thursday 05 February 2009, Dylan Reilly wrote: > Yeah, I realized *just* after I sent the email that it was networking > that changed and not a kernel problem. Of course, now I have to figure > out why the interface is not coming up automatically. > > Sorry for the noise. > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Jan Vlug wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Did you try at the FreeRunner: > > ifdown usb0 > > ifup usb0 > > > > Then on your computer connected to the FreeRunner (as root): > > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > ssh 192.168.0.202 > > > > This works for me > > > > Dylan Reilly wrote: > > | I am attempting to discover a good set of modules to load when using > > | 2.6.28 as packaged through fso/shr. The tar.gz of the images do not > > | seem to contain enough module references in /etc/modutils to replicate > > | the base functionality that was present in 2008.12. Is there some list > > | I can reference as I am not well versed in what module does what? > > | > > | In the very least, I would like to have usb ethernet working so I can > > | get the rest working by trial and error :^) I can get the device to > > | register via usb networking by loading usbserial and cdc_ether. > > | However, I am presented with "no route to host" when attempting to > > | communicate over TCP/IP. I assume this means I am missing something > > | vital to the networking stack. > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmLXbYACgkQvuFuLCp9giBO8wCgnAPLlPULtrkVQ2tLcK0+FsXt > > UQcAnjGqs2VA1xu9irX0IlvtMig7rWgk > > =8rSO > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
2009/2/5 Al Johnson : > On Thursday 05 February 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: >> arne anka wrote: >> >> (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2009012 >> >>344A2&KC=A2&FT=D&date=20090122&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_US) >> > >> > i didn't read it fully, but how does that differ from a simple hub or the >> > common docking station well known to notebook users? and it what respect >> > exactly is it not obvious? >> >> Yeah, it is jsut like the docking stations used for laptops. >> Doing exactly the same with a *phone*, now that phones almost are >> notebooks - wasn't obvious to microsoft or that patent office, it seems. > > The patent office sees obviousness differently to engineers. Having a patent > for something on a tractor for a particular reason doesn't stop someone > getting a patent on the exact same thing for the same reason on a fork lift. > Somehow it isn't obvious that if it works in one situation it'll also work in > a similar one. They see moving the idea from one type of vehicle to another as > an inventive step rather than an application of the blindingly obvious. Hm, but aren't there already host mode phones which can dock into cradles like this? Didn't at least one of the HTC phones have this sort of capability? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko L10N effort.
I tried this now: echo "LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8">>/etc/profile echo "LC_ALL=fi_FI.UTF-8>>/etc/profile echo "export LANG LC_ALL>>/etc/profile and opkg install `opkg list | grep locale-fi | cut -d' ' -f1` (thaks lindi :) It installed some packages but most of it failed because they all depend on virtual-locale-fi. I can't find it anywhere. Anyone know what's going on here, should I just --force-depends? And does anyone know if there's some centralized effort done to localize the applications. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Translation_HOWTO says that community list is at the moment the place to discuss translations but I haven't seen any mails like that around. I think people would soon like to see the apps in their native languages. r - Going to check if I was able to install anything in Finnish :) -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
2009/2/6 Risto H. Kurppa > Thanks Brenda for you _community_ updates that tells us what's > happening in the community! +1 The community list is an high traffic ml, so your updates are important to users like me that may not read all the threads and that does not stay on IRC. +1 to Paul about frustration on Openmoko silence about plans, development progress and documentation, I think they should really take care of updating the wiki on regular basis (a rich FAQ may be covered), and provide Openmoko updates weekly on the mailinglist. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:57:41 +0100 Helge Hafting said: > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only "adapted" ones. The americans can use the extras as application hotkeys. >>> oh its not the extra keys - its the variations in production. >> I know. Which is why I suggest one single keyboard for all, with >> the maximum amount of keys instead of the minimum. That way, every >> language (at least every latin-based language) can have a normal keyboard. >> >> No problem for the english - it will work fine. Their extra keys can be >> blank, or used as hotkeys. Users with other languages can add whatever >> they need - and in the correct location too. > > that's not practical. have you SEEN all the accented characters available? its > moe than going to double the # of chars in a kbd. otherwise you then need a > compose mode where multiple keystrokes gives you æ or ø or ü or ñ etc. and its > a combo you need to learn. you still need to offer all the accents then on > such > a kbd. like ~^'`",* (ãâáàäąå) which drastically will cramp the keyboard or > make > it yet another row bigger for everyone. (in addition to some form of compose > key and specific compose logic). Have you seen the various european layouts? None of the lating-based keyboards have more than a handful of keys more than the english keyboard. (Those with bucketloads of accents use a dead-key approach, press " then o to get ö and so on.) So no need for a seriously cramped keyboard. Of course different languages will mostly re-use the same keys, so you don't need a key for every possible letter. Only one key for each nonascii people expect to find on a keyboard adapted to their language. Look at the various keyboard layouts, pick the one with the most extras and you know how many keys are needed. Perhaps a few more keys than that, as some add extra keys in different places. But not many more. European pc keyboards tend to have 2 keys more than american, the rest is done by shift states and /or dead keys. (Things like []/? aren't directly accessible on a Norwegian keyboard, unlike american keyboards. One mechanical layout works for all of europe, you just have different keycaps. And of course the american layout works too - they get two do-nothing keys thats all. So, a keyboard with slightly more keys than what is needed for ascii will be enough for all languages that extend the latin alphabet. Some differently painted keytops will be needed, but that can be left to the various national importers (for a mass-produced device) or to the customers for a phone made in small series. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
Al Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 05 February 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: >> arne anka wrote: (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2009012 344A2&KC=A2&FT=D&date=20090122&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_US) >>> i didn't read it fully, but how does that differ from a simple hub or the >>> common docking station well known to notebook users? and it what respect >>> exactly is it not obvious? >> Yeah, it is jsut like the docking stations used for laptops. >> Doing exactly the same with a *phone*, now that phones almost are >> notebooks - wasn't obvious to microsoft or that patent office, it seems. > > The patent office sees obviousness differently to engineers. Having a patent > for something on a tractor for a particular reason doesn't stop someone > getting a patent on the exact same thing for the same reason on a fork lift. > Somehow it isn't obvious that if it works in one situation it'll also work in > a similar one. They see moving the idea from one type of vehicle to another > as > an inventive step rather than an application of the blindingly obvious. Hm. But in that case, I won't be infringing if I do the same thing on a car. The tractor guy only has a patent for tractor application. So perhaps a cradle for an _open source_ phone isn't covered then. :-) Or maybe an "openmoko communication device". It isn't a phone, it is a thing that has phone capabilities as one of many uses. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Thanks Brenda for you _community_ updates that tells us what's happening in the community! As I see it, it's not an openmoko-the-company-update. It's a different issue if om-the-company shares as much as we'd like to know and it doesn't have much to do with community update. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
David Reyes Samblas Martinez writes: > mmm... too much anger and fury in your mail, please reread it, and ask to your > self if you feel proud on how you have said it? No, i'm not. I'm angry and rude, that's the fact and that's bad, i agree. > I will not say that you write your self on the wiki but if you want to > be at the edje of status of development you can sure use the git . And i do. But i care for other users who don't. They count on "Community Updates" to provide some reasonable information. And instead i see plenty of people coming to IRC asking "Why, are you really sure there will be no more updates for OM2008.x?" or "Isn't the 2.6.24 kernel the most stable and functional for GTA02?" and all that kinds of basic misunderstanding because OM doesn't give them enough information. And i'm getting more and more frustrated by OM-the-company. Every day. Their bugtracker doesn't properly work because of "political issues", their X.org driver development was stalled for month because of unknown undisclosed reasons, and every day i see something new and extremely unpleasant done by OM-the-company. Updates that doesn't update on development status, can you imagine it? Overall, i'm mostly happy with the community gathered around OM, but i'm extremely dissatisfied with OM-the-company, especially that (mostly TPE) parts that _never_ communicate publicly. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
mmm... too much anger and fury in your mail, please reread it, and ask to your self if you feel proud on how you have said it? I will not say that you write your self on the wiki but if you want to be at the edje of status of development you can sure use the git . 2009/2/6 Paul Fertser : > Brenda Wang writes: >> Xglamo with acceleration making good progress to get glamo >> acceleration working within Xorg > > WTF? > > What the hell does it suppose to mean? > > Why did you write nothing about the real X.org progress? About what > works and what doesn't and how to compile the driver? > > Is X.org driver a community project or does OM pay the developer (and > you even haven't mentioned his name!)? Who and when is going to > implement xrandr support? And X server is an important part of every > distribution, don't forget about it. > > No single word from OM about the X work for months. Are you going to > continue this tradition? > > There's no single word about kernel work as well. Are you sure nothing > happened in these days? > > I think if you prepare these "Community updates" you're supposed to > follow the developement and mention all the really important stuff. > > And to those who will say that i should have edited the draft myself > on the wiki, i say that i'm not the wiki editor, i'm not the OM > employee and i don't know many details that are important > anyway. Moreover, i don't like (and can't do it well anyway) editing > text. OM has a dedicated editor, i suppose it's reasonable and fair > enough to expect this work is done by him. > > -- > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! > mailto:fercer...@gmail.com > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera and 3G
On Friday 06 February 2009, cruz wrote: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Al Johnson > > wrote: > > reason 3G is unlikely in the near future. 3G will have to come at some > > point though, as telcos in some countries are hoping to turn off 2G. > > The 2G frequency is a licensed band, telcos lease it from the > authority, which means once the contract is expired, telcos will no > longer be entitled to use the Frequency anymore. The details vary by according to the local licensing regime. In the UK the license currently specifies the usage, and there is no guarantee that you can renew your license when it expires. The government are looking at changing this to encourage the telcos to invest in extending the 3G network as coverage is currently not as good as 2G. Have a look at Lord Carter's interim report, or suggestions over the last few years from Ofcom, and the positive reaction to the suggestion from the telcos here. > Why would a 2G/3G > operator want to dismantle its 2G network? Big money was invested on > building the 2G infrastructure, it is still generating revenue, unless > the OPEX for the 2G network is too high, but as far as I know most 2G > networks are still performing better than the 3G network. 2G also acts > (IRAT) as a backup role for 3G CS service when the 3G capacity is > reached maximum... Switching from 2G to 3G in the current 2G bands gives them more 3G capacity so they need the backup less, and gives better building penetration so 3G is less likely to drop out. We have a saturated market, so the only way for them to grow is to get more cash out of each user, and 3G gives them more chance of that than 2G. Presumably they think the potential increase in revenue is worth the investment in switching over, assuming long term licensing is guaranteed. > The only people who wish to see 2G being turned off are the people > like myself who hate being radiated by so many frequencies, I live in > Taipei, we have three 2G(GSM)/3G(WCDMA) operators, one CDMA operator, > one PHS, one Public Wi-Fi, many unlicensed home wi-fi... > > Thanks, > cruz > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New leather case for Neo FreeRunner
I will try to have upload more pictures today. I will post here when they are ready. 2009/2/6 Francesco de Virgilio : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > It looks great but... could we have much detailed photos? :D > > Regards, > > David Reyes Samblas Martinez ha scritto: >> Dear all, >> I'm glad to announce you that we have ready a new leather case >> designed especially to the Neo FreeRunner, here are the main >> characteristics >> -High durable treated black leader (used for military complements) >> -Strong belt clip >> -Includes an "emergency" simply stytus in the top of the belt clip >> -Magnetic lock to easy open/close with one hand, strong enough to >> support heavy shake without open but to no disrturb any electromagenic >> signal >> -Holes to access buttons and in/outputs >> -And can be used to let the Neo stand up in landscape position in a >> desktop to use with a bt keyboard, to use a wired keyboard only have >> to turn the neo 180º to let the USB be in the top >> - and yes also fits in a Neo 1973 :P >> >> Price:39 Euros Tax included, shipping cost not included(people outside >> UE please contact me ) >> >> You can buy one here >> http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=42&language=en >> >> a bigger picture is aviable here http://www.tuxbrain.com/omcase.html >> (I have to upload more pictures I will announce when they are ready) >> >> Special prices for distributors, please contact me >> > > - -- > Francesco de Virgilio > *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* > mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org > http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio > *Wikimedia Italia Member* > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 > *OpenStreetMap Mapper* > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 > *Blog* > http://fradeve.netsons.org >"Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software" > GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkmMGFkACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fa8jACffzve9D/uJqQuWuV3828loEEd > jDgAn33qz2ziW+HFP9BCXtFRB4SMyroY > =bxGz > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Brenda Wang writes: > Xglamo with acceleration making good progress to get glamo > acceleration working within Xorg WTF? What the hell does it suppose to mean? Why did you write nothing about the real X.org progress? About what works and what doesn't and how to compile the driver? Is X.org driver a community project or does OM pay the developer (and you even haven't mentioned his name!)? Who and when is going to implement xrandr support? And X server is an important part of every distribution, don't forget about it. No single word from OM about the X work for months. Are you going to continue this tradition? There's no single word about kernel work as well. Are you sure nothing happened in these days? I think if you prepare these "Community updates" you're supposed to follow the developement and mention all the really important stuff. And to those who will say that i should have edited the draft myself on the wiki, i say that i'm not the wiki editor, i'm not the OM employee and i don't know many details that are important anyway. Moreover, i don't like (and can't do it well anyway) editing text. OM has a dedicated editor, i suppose it's reasonable and fair enough to expect this work is done by him. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New leather case for Neo FreeRunner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It looks great but... could we have much detailed photos? :D Regards, David Reyes Samblas Martinez ha scritto: > Dear all, > I'm glad to announce you that we have ready a new leather case > designed especially to the Neo FreeRunner, here are the main > characteristics > -High durable treated black leader (used for military complements) > -Strong belt clip > -Includes an "emergency" simply stytus in the top of the belt clip > -Magnetic lock to easy open/close with one hand, strong enough to > support heavy shake without open but to no disrturb any electromagenic > signal > -Holes to access buttons and in/outputs > -And can be used to let the Neo stand up in landscape position in a > desktop to use with a bt keyboard, to use a wired keyboard only have > to turn the neo 180º to let the USB be in the top > - and yes also fits in a Neo 1973 :P > > Price:39 Euros Tax included, shipping cost not included(people outside > UE please contact me ) > > You can buy one here > http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=42&language=en > > a bigger picture is aviable here http://www.tuxbrain.com/omcase.html > (I have to upload more pictures I will announce when they are ready) > > Special prices for distributors, please contact me > - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org "Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software" GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmMGFkACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fa8jACffzve9D/uJqQuWuV3828loEEd jDgAn33qz2ziW+HFP9BCXtFRB4SMyroY =bxGz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Dear all: The 11th community update is now available. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/February_6%2C_2009 For an easier access of the newest update,it can be also accessed by Community Box located at the left. The old version are put on Community Updates page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates >From now on, Community Updates will be also available in Chinese (Traditional Chinese & Simplified Chinese), please feel free to translate this into other languages if you wish. Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New leather case for Neo FreeRunner
They are on the go :) 2009/2/6 Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes : > Looks great, but at 23 euro shipping to Germany it's a bit dear. > > How about Pulster.de buying a bunch of them for us? :) > > - Gunnar > > > > David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: >> Dear all, >> I'm glad to announce you that we have ready a new leather case >> designed especially to the Neo FreeRunner, here are the main >> characteristics >> -High durable treated black leader (used for military complements) >> -Strong belt clip >> -Includes an "emergency" simply stytus in the top of the belt clip >> -Magnetic lock to easy open/close with one hand, strong enough to >> support heavy shake without open but to no disrturb any electromagenic >> signal >> -Holes to access buttons and in/outputs >> -And can be used to let the Neo stand up in landscape position in a >> desktop to use with a bt keyboard, to use a wired keyboard only have >> to turn the neo 180º to let the USB be in the top >> - and yes also fits in a Neo 1973 :P >> >> Price:39 Euros Tax included, shipping cost not included(people outside >> UE please contact me ) >> >> You can buy one here >> http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=42&language=en >> >> a bigger picture is aviable here http://www.tuxbrain.com/omcase.html >> (I have to upload more pictures I will announce when they are ready) >> >> Special prices for distributors, please contact me >> > > > -- > Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes > gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de > > DFKI GmbH > Knowledge Management > Trippstadter Strasse 122 > D-67663 Kaiserslautern > Germany > > Office: +49 631 205 75-117 > Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New leather case for Neo FreeRunner
Looks great, but at 23 euro shipping to Germany it's a bit dear. How about Pulster.de buying a bunch of them for us? :) - Gunnar David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > Dear all, > I'm glad to announce you that we have ready a new leather case > designed especially to the Neo FreeRunner, here are the main > characteristics > -High durable treated black leader (used for military complements) > -Strong belt clip > -Includes an "emergency" simply stytus in the top of the belt clip > -Magnetic lock to easy open/close with one hand, strong enough to > support heavy shake without open but to no disrturb any electromagenic > signal > -Holes to access buttons and in/outputs > -And can be used to let the Neo stand up in landscape position in a > desktop to use with a bt keyboard, to use a wired keyboard only have > to turn the neo 180º to let the USB be in the top > - and yes also fits in a Neo 1973 :P > > Price:39 Euros Tax included, shipping cost not included(people outside > UE please contact me ) > > You can buy one here > http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=42&language=en > > a bigger picture is aviable here http://www.tuxbrain.com/omcase.html > (I have to upload more pictures I will announce when they are ready) > > Special prices for distributors, please contact me > -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: yaouh! 0.3 is out
2009/2/6 Risto H. Kurppa : > Hmm.. at the moment installing yaouh and tangogps leaves yaouh useless > because of the hard-coded addresses in tangogps.. > Anyone have a working tango config file for these 5 repositories? i don't see why this is a problem. if the location is hard-coded in tango, it can be hard-coded for yaouh too, surely? i'm guessing, but i imagine yaouh crawls the tile dir structure/filenames, and compares the files with those on the osm server - the conf file just tells it where to look if anything, the locations in tango being hard-coded makes it *easier* to update the files - no need to look through the config files, it's the same every time ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New leather case for Neo FreeRunner
Dear all, I'm glad to announce you that we have ready a new leather case designed especially to the Neo FreeRunner, here are the main characteristics -High durable treated black leader (used for military complements) -Strong belt clip -Includes an "emergency" simply stytus in the top of the belt clip -Magnetic lock to easy open/close with one hand, strong enough to support heavy shake without open but to no disrturb any electromagenic signal -Holes to access buttons and in/outputs -And can be used to let the Neo stand up in landscape position in a desktop to use with a bt keyboard, to use a wired keyboard only have to turn the neo 180º to let the USB be in the top - and yes also fits in a Neo 1973 :P Price:39 Euros Tax included, shipping cost not included(people outside UE please contact me ) You can buy one here http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=42&language=en a bigger picture is aviable here http://www.tuxbrain.com/omcase.html (I have to upload more pictures I will announce when they are ready) Special prices for distributors, please contact me -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
> -Message d'origine- > > Very interesting. Openstreetmap already has a webserver that > looks up locations by URL, such as: > > http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=63.41283&lon=10.4888&zoom=15&lay > ers=B000FTF > > Would such an URL work on a MMS-capable phone? This URL is > javascript, but a few simple calculations can yield a link > directly to a tile png file instead. > > Helge Hafting The URL won't work as an sms, because it has to be wap, not http, and you can only query your provider mms server, not just any URL. But the same principle could be applied as with the script which sends back the position of your FR upon receiving a given SMS. You'll 'only' have to browse the url and extract the image part. It would be faster to implement than a 'real' mms browser i guess.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Release of GuitarTune v0.20 (based on Alsa)
Hi, Thanks for the reply. I put my comments inline, so see below. On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 05:11 -0800, c_c wrote: > Hi, > > Ed Kapitein wrote: > > > > ... so when playing a G the tuner hears a A. > > > Well, I only own two accoustic guitars - and it seems to be quite accurate > for me. But then fundamental freq detection is not a guarantee with the > signal processing I'm doing. There are many things that can throw the tuner > off - like background noise for eg or the particular characteristics of the > guitar. > > So, here are some questions that would help me understand the approach to > take to make the program more accurate. > > Are you using an accoustic guitar? Yes, vincente sanchiz 38B, beautiful instument btw. I do have another one, a bit older and of less quallity, i will try that one later tonight. > Is the tuner consistently hearing a higher note? It switches every now and then. the G is almost always regonized as an (out-of-tune) low A, but sometimes it switches to te correct G. > Could you verify by using some other tuner what the error is? the other tuner i have has no frequency scale, just a led bar indicating way to low, to low, right, to high, way to high. > Could you try after keeping the freerunner really close to the guitar? I almost inserted it! without any difference. i also adjusted the volume to no avail. I could record the sound of my strings and send them to you, if that would help debugging the problem. Please let me know if you need more info, i will make some pure sinus waves at the right frequency, to see if that does work. Kind regards, Ed > > Ed Kapitein wrote: > > > > is it possible to select manually which string you try to tune? it could > > filter the input signal at that frequency and perhaps make recognizing the > > correct tone easier. > > > Well, the current method I'm using (FFT followed by a harmonic spectrum > product) wont be affected by knowing which string you're tuning. > Then again, I could use another method of determining the fundamental freq > (goertzel algorithm) perhaps, which would need to know the target freq. > Though that will be totally different program. > > So, right now, I would prefer trying to get some feedback and improving the > code to see how it can be made more accurate. And your feedback would help > the most since you're the first one to tell me its off :-) > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] rsync works but sync's again...
Matthias Apitz writes: > $ rsync -rav --no-owner ~/Maps/OSM/ r...@moko:/media/card/osm/ Are you using FAT32 on on your SD card? It does not support precise timestamps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] rsync works but sync's again...
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > When I run from my laptop to sync to the FR: > > $ rsync -rav --no-owner ~/Maps/OSM/ r...@moko:/media/card/osm/ > > it works fine; but if I run it again, it runs through all files again > and again: Try using the '-c' option to check for checksums... HTH! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
